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Virat Kohli's terrible performance this series...

He's played 5 innings this series I believe and not a single average performance, what is going on?

Are you guys surprised? I'm sure most of you expected at least a 50 even in one inning.

What went wrong?
 
England's bowling attack has put him and India under tremendous pressure and he hasn't been up to the task.

Quite straightforward really.
 
I actually thought he would do well this series. I guess there's still one more Test to go.
 
He will get runs againt Pak, Aus and all others don't worry. England are just another league for him
 
Leg side player, lacks strokes in the square of off side, England only bowling to him on the off stump with covers packed. How will he score ?
He has been planned out.
 
Yeah waiting for the right mix of mediocre/depleted bowling attacks to plunder, keeping in rich tradition of Indian batting great(s)...here is to Paks, Bangers, Lankans, Kiwis and Windies...

Indians and some Pakistanis were up in arms when he was called out earlier as a FTB on PP...the ongoing series against England has settled the debate...
 
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He's just massively over hyped in tests due to that innings in a high scoring dead rubber in australia.

You hear people talk and you think kohli destroyed the aussies in that series...he averaged 37 in a series where nearly all the aussie bats averaged 60+.

He's just part of this new indian generation with mediocre records who talk trash like they are viv richards.
 
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In tests he is average but his strength lies in the smaller formats but this still remains to be seen. So far he has not impressed.
 
He will get runs againt Pak, Aus and all others don't worry. England are just another league for him
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England bowling isn't that devastating. To be honest they aren't that threatening.
 
What I think:

1. He doesn't deserve another thread on PP as he has already one.

2. Rohit Sharma is better than him when it's about playing good bowlers or on dificult tracks.
 
kungfu90 said:
Leg side player, lacks strokes in the square of off side, England only bowling to him on the off stump with covers packed. How will he score ?
He has been planned out.
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Good analysis. He looks so ugly while playing on the offside, it's no surprise that he is so uncertain about deliveries in the corridor.
 
Zarrar said:
Yeah waiting for the right mix of mediocre/depleted bowling attacks to plunder, keeping in rich tradition of Indian batting great(s)...here is to Paks, Bangers, Lankans, Kiwis and Windies...

Indians and some Pakistanis were up in arms when he was called out earlier as a FTB on PP...the ongoing series against England has settled the debate...
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Other than Sa/Aus/Eng all bowling attacks are pedestrian ?
 
saiyan0312 said:
England bowling isn't that devastating. To be honest they aren't that threatening.
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England's bowling attack is pretty much the only one to not have recently failed in at least one country. Even South Africa, who overall have a better unit than us, struggled to take wickets in UAE. Meanwhile whether England have been winning, or losing such as in UAE and Sri Lanka, their bowlers have been exceptional.
 
Mobashir said:
2. Rohit Sharma is better than him when it's about playing good bowlers or on dificult tracks.
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As much as Rohit looks easy on the eyes while playing, he is mentally fragile. Good thing about Kohli is he works hard on his game despite being a limited stroke player. When he started off he was an ordinary ODI player and was dropped 2 times then started showing improvement. As much as I think kohli is overhyped, I'll back him to be a better Test player than Rohit Sharma.
 
James said:
England's bowling attack is pretty much the only one to not have recently failed in at least one country. Even South Africa, who overall have a better unit than us, struggled to take wickets in UAE. Meanwhile whether England have been winning, or losing such as in UAE and Sri Lanka, their bowlers have been exceptional.
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Yes English bowlers are very good.
 
kungfu90 said:
Other than Sa/Aus/Eng all bowling attacks are pedestrian ?
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Yes, especially compared to their traditional strength...besides Ajmal who is spinner, Pak is missing at least two world class fast bowlers which is usually their par strength....

Lankans don't have a spinner of Murali's caliber or a seamer of Vaas' class...

Kiwi usually have had one world class pacer at their disposal coupled with a thinking captain who is able to get the best out of his bowlers...they are missing both...

The less said about Bangers and Windies the better...

The only sides with good, certainly not great, bowling attacks currently are Aussies, Pomms and Saffers...
 
Gunther said:
He will get runs againt Pak, Aus and all others don't worry. England are just another league for him
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Don't get too ahead of yourselves... England's discipline did him but he may have struggled against any side ATM given India's mindset...
 
England have refocused well after the slight internal meltdown and come to play here. They have bowlers for all conditions and plans for all the batters. They would have put some time and planning into Kohli and he doesn't have the answers yet.

England most of the time are a soft team but when they do get united with a clear focus on winning a series, they are very hard to beat.

For Kohli just a bad series and reality check, he will learn from this.
 
The best after the proteas. Do not play the Ajmal card. Gul and others are beyond crap. You lost in SL remember.
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Would you chill out. I didn't even mention our bowlers. In my opinion the best after proteas would be the Australian attack. They have better fast bowling then England whereas in this series and against us England rellied on swann and panesar. Oh and if you think Junaid khan is beyond crap then obviously this conversation is over.

England most of the time are a soft team but when they do get united with a clear focus on winning a series, they are very hard to beat.
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ummmm England is really riding on a handful players right now. They don't perform England will lose.
 
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saiyan0312 said:
ummmm England is really riding on a handful players right now. They don't perform England will lose.
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And that makes England different to other teams how?

The 'if you take players out of a team then...' argument is always highly fallacious. The whole point is that these players are in the team, helping to make it good!
 
Leg side player, lacks strokes in the square of off side, England only bowling to him on the off stump with covers packed. How will he score ?
He has been planned out.
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Back in the days of old there were no tapes and you just had a few overs to see how the players played. Now Kohli is being thought out. Kohli should do the exact same thing and sit infront of a video and keep watching their bowling. There are bound to be weaknesses they can exploit.
 
And that makes England different to other teams how?
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No difference at all :D:D:D. We ride on Azhar, younis and Asad with misbah. Australia rides on Clarke and Hussey. India riding on openers and pujara and Sachin. England on cook with k[, trott and prior. South africa on Amla and kallis with fuff as the new guy. Thats the teams are going rigth now.
 
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saiyan0312 said:
Would you chill out. I didn't even mention our bowlers. In my opinion the best after proteas would be the Australian attack. They have better fast bowling then England whereas in this series and against us England rellied on swann and panesar. Oh and if you think Junaid khan is beyond crap then obviously this conversation is over.
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Obviously England have relied on Swann & Monty in the subcontinent, they have been turning tracks, surely all teams rely on their spinners over here?

What exactly has Junaid Khan done in international cricket to receive all this acclaim? The way people go on about him on here you'd think he was the reincarnation of Wasim Akram

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ummmm England is really riding on a handful players right now. They don't perform England will lose.
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Just like every other team, Aus with Clarke, Pakistan with Ajmal etc.
 
Actually id be worried if i were kohli..the way he played against Finn was very dodgy..he was playing shots on the off with bat miles from his body..he can get away with it in odis due to field restrictions and dead pitches coupled with most teams being bekaar..been found out here..
 
Some situations needs to consider here.

He comes at 5. More often than not, except 1st test, after sehwag goes, there's a collapse. He is coming after tendu. And as he starts to play his strokes freely after the cautious start, by that time, tendu goes out.

Kohli goes into shell because he feels he needs to steady the ship.

Then comes uv. After some flashing boundaries, he goes out. Kohli sucked into shell again.

When dhoni comes out, kohli knows he won't stay longer. So he goes deeper into the shell to preserve his wicket. (in the mean time, dhoni goes out).

Then comes ashwin. Perhaps this is the time in which, he is comfortable. But by that time, the tail already started, opposition smelt the victory.... And psychologically, he isn't yet strong to do what laxman used to do.
 
Simple, he has come out to an indian batting collapse every single time. :umarakmal
 
Itachi said:
clarke is australian playing for australia. Ajmal is pakistani playing for pakistan.... England's players are english?
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Yawn. England's MVP in this series has been Alastair Cook, who is very English indeed.
 
What exactly has Junaid Khan done in international cricket to receive all this acclaim? The way people go on about him on here you'd think he was the reincarnation of Wasim Akram
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Srilanka 2nd and third test. Pitch flat motorway.

anyway back to topic.
Simple, he has come out to an indian batting collapse every single time.
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That could be true. During a collapse when the other wickets are falling things do get hard even the best fall but that was a bit weird shot he played against finn. It was like he was very unsure of what to hit and what not to hit. Maybe if he was sent at number 3 he could do better and its not like Sachin raking hundreds at number three. Other then that 70+ score he has been very bad at the most important position in the team where you want the best batsmen you have.

Although it is still a little early to tell but i think he is not a great test player. He is devastating in the shorter formats but in test he could be average. Like Younis khan only reverse the formats.
 
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Virat is really new to Test cricket. He had a grand opening in ODIs but tests have a totally different kind of atmosphere and pressure.

He will learn soon and become a good player but may be not a great one
 
Does he have a 100 against Aus, SA or Eng in the ODIs ? I guess, all his tons in the ODIs have come against SL and Pak right ?
 
saiyan0312 said:
Srilanka 2nd and third test. Pitch flat motorway.

anyway back to topic.


That could be true. During a collapse when the other wickets are falling things do get hard even the best fall but that was a bit weird shot he played against finn. It was like he was very unsure of what to hit and what not to hit. Maybe if he was sent at number 3 he could do better and its not like Sachin raking hundreds at number three. Other then that 70+ score he has been very bad at the most important position in the team where you want the best batsmen you have.

Although it is still a little early to tell but i think he is not a great test player. He is devastating in the shorter formats but in test he could be average. Like Younis khan only reverse the formats.
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just a correction. Tendu plays at 4.
 
Gunther said:
Does he have a 100 against Aus, SA or Eng in the ODIs ? I guess, all his tons in the ODIs have come against SL and Pak right ?
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Against England - yes both in England and in India.
Against SA in SA he had a good series in SA. 87 not out was his highest.
Against Australia he has scored 1 100 in India.
 
He has technical issues - I said this before.

Playing ODIs on flat dead tracks these weaknesses will not always be exposed.

His main issue is he does get close enough (footwork) to the ball when playing to the offside.

Also he needs to develop more his Backfoot game because he doesn't score enough when balls are pitched short or back of a length.
 
Always said Rohit>Kohli.

Any way I have to add this in :P

Well now Kohli is averaging less than Umar Akmal in test cricket despite playing most of his tests on the flat tracks of India. Compare that to Umar who played ALL his games bar ONE INNINGS in AUSTRALIA, ENGLAND & NEW ZEALAND.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Always said Rohit>Kohli.

Any way I have to add this in :P

Well now Kohli is averaging less than Umar Akmal in test cricket despite playing most of his tests on the flat tracks of India. Compare that to Umar who played ALL his games bar ONE INNINGS in AUSTRALIA, ENGLAND & NEW ZEALAND.
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you could argue rohit is more gifted or aesthetically better than kohli but kohli has delivered while rohit has not even if it is in the shorter format
 
Itachi said:
Some situations needs to consider here.

He comes at 5. More often than not, except 1st test, after sehwag goes, there's a collapse. He is coming after tendu. And as he starts to play his strokes freely after the cautious start, by that time, tendu goes out.

Kohli goes into shell because he feels he needs to steady the ship.

Then comes uv. After some flashing boundaries, he goes out. Kohli sucked into shell again.

When dhoni comes out, kohli knows he won't stay longer. So he goes deeper into the shell to preserve his wicket. (in the mean time, dhoni goes out).

Then comes ashwin. Perhaps this is the time in which, he is comfortable. But by that time, the tail already started, opposition smelt the victory.... And psychologically, he isn't yet strong to do what laxman used to do.
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Over the years I have read alot of poor excuses here, but this one deserves nobel excuse prize 2012.
 
Umar Akmal average 35 while playing 12 out of 16 of his tests in NZ, Aus and England. This Kohli is must overrated batsman ever, average of 35 on dead tracks.
 
shan said:
Umar Akmal average 35 while playing 12 out of 16 of his tests in NZ, Aus and England. This Kohli is must overrated batsman ever, average of 35 on dead tracks.
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UA averages 63 against NZ, Kohli averages 100+ (granted it was in India but Kohli has not played any match in NZ)

UA averages 33 in Australia, Kohli averages 37.5 in Australia.

So a little early to disparage Kohli for Umar Akmal
 
Itachi said:
Some situations needs to consider here.

He comes at 5. More often than not, except 1st test, after sehwag goes, there's a collapse. He is coming after tendu. And as he starts to play his strokes freely after the cautious start, by that time, tendu goes out.

Kohli goes into shell because he feels he needs to steady the ship.

Then comes uv. After some flashing boundaries, he goes out. Kohli sucked into shell again.

When dhoni comes out, kohli knows he won't stay longer. So he goes deeper into the shell to preserve his wicket. (in the mean time, dhoni goes out).

Then comes ashwin. Perhaps this is the time in which, he is comfortable. But by that time, the tail already started, opposition smelt the victory.... And psychologically, he isn't yet strong to do what laxman used to do.
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Lol nice stroy mate!
Name of player with who he was batting when he got put:
Pujara
Pujara
Ghambir
Tendulkar
Ashwin

So the only time he was not the first to go in his patnership was in the last innings he played.

Go and count your sotries to fools or to yourself!
 
IAJ said:
Over the years I have read alot of poor excuses here, but this one deserves nobel excuse prize 2012.
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Poor and full of lies...

Sad indian fans trying to make things up to feel a litle better...
 
shakil said:
UA averages 63 against NZ, Kohli averages 100+ (granted it was in India but Kohli has not played any match in NZ)

UA averages 33 in Australia, Kohli averages 37.5 in Australia.

So a little early to disparage Kohli for Umar Akmal
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don't think Kohli would have lasted too long against that NZ attack in those conditions UA scored so many runs in..
 
Aussie (esp. 1st team) attack is more potent than NZ's and Kohli has higher average on bouncy pitch (so cannot be called FTB if Umar is not called)

Typical jumpy fans quick to elevate Kohli to greatness and now quick to dismiss him as FTB. The truth lies somewhere in between.
 
MRSN said:
don't think Kohli would have lasted too long against that NZ attack in those conditions UA scored so many runs in..
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We were playing a slightly weakened attack at times - Hamish Bennett was being given a go in preparation for the World Cup, then you had the Kyle Mills and I think even Oram and Styris covered a few overs, alongside Franklin.

Anybody would have plundered a lot of runs against them.
 
Marshland said:
We were playing a slightly weakened attack at times - Hamish Bennett was being given a go in preparation for the World Cup, then you had the Kyle Mills and I think even Oram and Styris covered a few overs, alongside Franklin.

Anybody would have plundered a lot of runs against them.
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Bond?
 
Itachi said:
Some situations needs to consider here.

He comes at 5. More often than not, except 1st test, after sehwag goes, there's a collapse. He is coming after tendu. And as he starts to play his strokes freely after the cautious start, by that time, tendu goes out.

Kohli goes into shell because he feels he needs to steady the ship.

Then comes uv. After some flashing boundaries, he goes out. Kohli sucked into shell again.

When dhoni comes out, kohli knows he won't stay longer. So he goes deeper into the shell to preserve his wicket. (in the mean time, dhoni goes out).

Then comes ashwin. Perhaps this is the time in which, he is comfortable. But by that time, the tail already started, opposition smelt the victory.... And psychologically, he isn't yet strong to do what laxman used to do.
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Isnt this the story of Umar Akmal? And here we had so many Indian posters mocking him and saying his low batting position is no excuse.
 
Woah, and then you can't keep Umar Akmal out of Kohli thread can you :))


Dear Pakistan brothers, lets accept the fact that both these guys haven't really set the world on fire with their batting (and it will take sometime). Lets not compare them with those mediocre averages :facepalm:
 
LegendAli said:
He's played 5 innings this series I believe and not a single average performance, what is going on?

Are you guys surprised? I'm sure most of you expected at least a 50 even in one inning.

What went wrong?
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imo, he is still not used to test match field setting & now his body language is really deteriorating .
 
After supporting Kohli alot I have to say this, Umar Akmal is a better batsman than him is tests.
 
good ODI and T20 batsmen, but i have not seen any inning from him in test that would make me say he is as good of a batsmen in test as in ODI and T20, he is probably one of the most talented and best batsmen in current Indian team, and i am sure he will perform soon in test, good luck to him
 
sunnykhan said:
After supporting Kohli alot I have to say this, Umar Akmal is a better batsman than him is tests.
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But you fans (both Indian and Pakistani) are all very fickle. All Kohli has to do is hit a half-century or a 75 in the next test and the hype will begin again.

There's no balance.
 
Marshland said:
We were playing a slightly weakened attack at times - Hamish Bennett was being given a go in preparation for the World Cup, then you had the Kyle Mills and I think even Oram and Styris covered a few overs, alongside Franklin.

Anybody would have plundered a lot of runs against them.
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Really these days I am tired too read so many posts that are not even true.
I mean guys, before posting things, if you can't remember things, you can check on Cricinfo if the informations are true.

None of the players you mentionned played even one test + the conditions were not easy for batting.

Here is the link where you can check scorecards in case you didn't know!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/423771.html
 
Savak said:
Isnt this the story of Umar Akmal? And here we had so many Indian posters mocking him and saying his low batting position is no excuse.
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Yes but i already admitted he isn't mentally strong enough for test as of yet. So there's a difference.
 
Mobashir said:
Lol nice stroy mate!
Name of player with who he was batting when he got put:
Pujara
Pujara
Ghambir
Tendulkar
Ashwin

So the only time he was not the first to go in his patnership was in the last innings he played.

Go and count your sotries to fools or to yourself!
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Do the research yourself before hand.
 
James said:
England's bowling attack has put him and India under tremendous pressure and he hasn't been up to the task.

Quite straightforward really.
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have to agree with this. England's bowling discipline just outside off-stump has had a strangle hold.
that and Dehli-belly no more..
 
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