What's new

Virat Kohli - The Mega Discussion

Smith might be a superior batsman in Test but overall (all three formats combined) Kohli is miles ahead than any other current batsman in the world, by a margin.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Unless my math is wrong 27 centuries 22 fifties is higher conversion than 26 centuries 27 fifties. Infact Kohli's conversion next only to Bradman. Younis Khan, Hayden, Clarke all have better conversion than Smith.
Click to expand...

It's plain wrong.. You didn't count the number per inning :srini
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Tendulkar is the greatest because he was the best in 90s as a young player and in late 2000s he reached the top of the ladder in both formats once again as a veteran in his late 30s. That's at the level of Rod Laver, Federer, Muhammad Ali, Bradman.
Click to expand...

Smith performed more clutch match winning innings.

Kohli is the only one that can end his dominance. The next tour between Aus and India will determine who is better. Add in the home series in india as well.
 
Chrish said:
It's plain wrong.. You didn't count the number per inning :srini
Click to expand...

As far as I know, conversion means converting 50s into 100s. 100s per inning not really stat anyone talks about. Not like Kohli's is way behind. He is very close there as well.
 
The moaning and classless reaction about the run out after the match - Well done Kohli.
 
Mobashir said:
Didn't you hear Kohli's post match interview? If you have something to say related to the issue it will be more welcome. Don't know the necessity of talking about me.
Click to expand...
What ever it is. The appeal must come from players, if so umpire decision is final. U can't reappeal especially when it's coming from the dressing room.
 
GrandMaster said:
Smith might be a superior batsman in Test but overall (all three formats combined) Kohli is miles ahead than any other current batsman in the world, by a margin.
Click to expand...

Smith is a pretty good ODI bat, he showed up in world cups. Bilateral ODI's he might not be a beast like Kohli but he outperformed Kohli in world cups.

So, NO you Kohli is not Miles ahead of Smith. Kohli might be slightly ahead but definitely not miles ahead. Stop exaggerating
 
I think people forget that kohli won't a world cup already. nothing to prove. But yea ideally he will set himself apart if he wins the world cup in india (2023).

home teams have the advantage. see 2011, 2015 and 2019.

although England definitely dint deserve to win though. I think india or pakistan will win the 2023 world cup.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Smith is a pretty good ODI bat, he showed up in world cups. Bilateral ODI's he might not be a beast like Kohli but he outperformed Kohli in world cups.

So, NO you Kohli is not Miles ahead of Smith. Kohli might be slightly ahead but definitely not miles ahead. Stop exaggerating
Click to expand...

They put quantity over quality.
 
kohli is only slightly superior to smith in odi world cups. So yes the difference is very minimal. However when you count champions trophy as well then the gap is bigger.

for odi it goes;
world cup
champions trophy
then Asia cup
then last but not least bilaterals.

unfortunately there is no SENA cup or Australasia cup. If there was one then it would be right below champions trophy.
 
I saw the video today and must admit that Kohli is increasingly becoming a delusional person, who might get away with his delusions throughout his career because of his fanbase but for any reasonable cricket lover, he's just a great bilateral series batsman and a very very ordinary small hearted person. I can't think of any player making an issue of an incident, which ended up in the right decision making. It's understandable to be angry if you are given out when you aren't but to cry about a correct decision using some technicality that too in some random series just shows how stupid and arrogant he is as a person.
 
happydavy said:
I saw the video today and must admit that Kohli is increasingly becoming a delusional person, who might get away with his delusions throughout his career because of his fanbase but for any reasonable cricket lover, he's just a great bilateral series batsman and a very very ordinary small hearted person. I can't think of any player making an issue of an incident, which ended up in the right decision making. It's understandable to be angry if you are given out when you aren't but to cry about a correct decision using some technicality that too in some random series just shows how stupid and arrogant he is as a person.
Click to expand...

What Kohli was able to see, (and you didn't) is the precedent this sort of incident sets

1) It allows dressing room to interfere on field which was always a no-no in cricket

2) It allows team who gets dressing room help to have an advantage over team whose dressing rooms are better behaved. In a sense, one team will get unlimited reviews as they have video help

If you need to change things, maybe make a rule saying dressing rooms can do this so all teams can take advantage

Also love the barbs about bi-lateral batsmen, etc which arise out of petty jealously. I saw the mental gymnastic some Pak fans used to do to put down Sachin while this was never done by Indian fans for any Pak players. The irony of talking about small hearts when playing mental gymnastics to put down a great batsman is pretty funny to me. A lot of projection going on here
 
Last edited:
Who would have guessed he would become a better Test batsmen than ODI batsmen lol.

He's a GOAT in JAMODIs but that doesn't mean anything, he has one last WC to cement his legacy.
 
Indiafan said:
What Kohli was able to see, (and you didn't) is the precedent this sort of incident sets

1) It allows dressing room to interfere on field which was always a no-no in cricket

2) It allows team who gets dressing room help to have an advantage over team whose dressing rooms are better behaved. In a sense, one team will get unlimited reviews as they have video help

If you need to change things, maybe make a rule saying dressing rooms can do this so all teams can take advantage

Also love the barbs about bi-lateral batsmen, etc which arise out of petty jealously. I saw the mental gymnastic some Pak fans used to do to put down Sachin while this was never done by Indian fans for any Pak players. The irony of talking about small hearts when playing mental gymnastics to put down a great batsman is pretty funny to me. A lot of projection going on here
Click to expand...

That jealously is what's so pleasing for me as a fan to enjoy :))

Funny how Pak fans love gloating their head to head ODI record against India that is made up of victory in JAMODIS though.
 
Aman said:
Who would have guessed he would become a better Test batsmen than ODI batsmen lol.

He's a GOAT in JAMODIs but that doesn't mean anything, he has one last WC to cement his legacy.
Click to expand...

Kohli’s legacy as an ODI batsman is cemented already. Apart from certain World Cup obsessed people, no one really criticizes him for his relatively underwhelming record in World Cups.

For example, Ponting called him the greatest white ball batsman he has ever seen on air during the Australia vs New Zealand Test.

Even if Kohli retires today, he is going to go down as the GOAT ODI batsman. Even without a stellar World Cup, he has done more than anyone else. His competition is now only with himself.
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli’s legacy as an ODI batsman is cemented already. Apart from certain World Cup obsessed people, no one really criticizes him for his relatively underwhelming record in World Cups.

For example, Ponting called him the greatest white ball batsman he has ever seen on air during the Australia vs New Zealand Test.

Even if Kohli retires today, he is going to go down as the GOAT ODI batsman. Even without a stellar World Cup, he has done more than anyone else. His competition is now only with himself.
Click to expand...
Nah, he wont be remembered as the greatest. It will be Viv, Sachin, Ponting etc.

Kohli has nothing to show for in the WC.

What I meant by cementing his legacy, I meant going down as the greatest because he ticks all the other boxes.

Otherwise he is top 5 all time in the format with ease. Can't put him ahead of Viv, Sachin, Ponting, Gilly or even AB though.
 
Last edited:
Aman said:
Who would have guessed he would become a better Test batsmen than ODI batsmen lol.

He's a GOAT in JAMODIs but that doesn't mean anything, he has one last WC to cement his legacy.
Click to expand...

he already has a world cup and a champions trophy.
 
Aman said:
Nah, he wont be remembered as the greatest. It will be Viv, Sachin, Ponting etc.

Kohli has nothing to show for in the WC.
Click to expand...

Depends on who you ask.

There are three categories: A, B, C.

A: the players, former legends, commentators, analysts, writers etc.

B: the casual fans who make up the overwhelming majority

C: people like us who post on fan forums. We are not casual fans but because our obsession with the game is far greater. We can call ourselves cricket nerds.

We are in great minority and probably make up less than 1% of the cricket following population.

People in Categories A and B consider Kohli to be the GOAT for different reasons. The players, former legends, commentators etc. appreciate what he has achieved because they have played the game and realize how hard it is and how incredible Kohli has been.

For example, Ponting looks at Kohli and sees a player with 43 hundreds at the age of 31 while he scored 30 in his entire career.

People in Category B, the vast majority of the cricket following population, do not get into nitty-gritty and do not get geeky over stats. They don’t cherry-pick to suit their narrative and they don’t care about records in XYZ countries and individual records in World Cups etc.

They look at Kohli and see a batsman who is well on his way of scoring the most hundred in ODIs at an average of almost 60, and a batsman who has made chasing 300+ totals look like a walk in the park. They also see him consistently top the ranking in ODIs.

It is more than enough for them to conclude that he is the ultimate ODI batsman.

The legacy of a cricketer is determined by people in Categories A and B and not nerds like us in Category C. Kohli might not have legacy for you or a few others, but that makes no difference when 99% of the people think otherwise.
 
Aman said:
Nah, he wont be remembered as the greatest. It will be Viv, Sachin, Ponting etc.

Kohli has nothing to show for in the WC.

What I meant by cementing his legacy, I meant going down as the greatest because he ticks all the other boxes.

Otherwise he is top 5 all time in the format with ease. Can't put him ahead of Viv, Sachin, Ponting, Gilly or even AB though.
Click to expand...

:)) Because of Gilly's scores in 3 WC finals, we should avoid their overall ODI batting record? One averages 60 with 43 centuries, and he is yet to be done. The other averages 36 with 17 centuries.

Anyone with a brain would know who is the better ODI batsman, apart from the biased fans.
 
Hitman said:
:)) Because of Gilly's scores in 3 WC finals, we should avoid their overall ODI batting record? One averages 60 with 43 centuries, and he is yet to be done. The other averages 36 with 17 centuries.

Anyone with a brain would know who is the better ODI batsman, apart from the biased fans.
Click to expand...
Gilly didn't play in this era or those numbers would be a lot better.

One has a 100 and 2 50s in WC Finals, the other has done nothing but let his country when it matters most in the WC.
 
Last edited:
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] pretty sure Gilly scored more runs in any one of those Finals than Kohli has collectively in every WC SF and Final he has played. Like we saw in the CT Final and the WC SF against NZ, he does not handle pressure when its at its highest well at all. The confidence and swagger he usually has disappears and he looks clueless.
 
Last edited:
Kohli has one chance to change that perception, if he flops again and in grand fashion like he did in the CT Final or SF against us, he's done.

All that GOAT talk will be over, Indians wont remember the batsmen who won them a billion JAMODIs but the man who collapsed for them in CT Final and multiple WC knock out games.
 
Mamoon said:
Depends on who you ask.

There are three categories: A, B, C.

A: the players, former legends, commentators, analysts, writers etc.

B: the casual fans who make up the overwhelming majority

C: people like us who post on fan forums. We are not casual fans but because our obsession with the game is far greater. We can call ourselves cricket nerds.

We are in great minority and probably make up less than 1% of the cricket following population.

People in Categories A and B consider Kohli to be the GOAT for different reasons. The players, former legends, commentators etc. appreciate what he has achieved because they have played the game and realize how hard it is and how incredible Kohli has been.

For example, Ponting looks at Kohli and sees a player with 43 hundreds at the age of 31 while he scored 30 in his entire career.

People in Category B, the vast majority of the cricket following population, do not get into nitty-gritty and do not get geeky over stats. They don’t cherry-pick to suit their narrative and they don’t care about records in XYZ countries and individual records in World Cups etc.

They look at Kohli and see a batsman who is well on his way of scoring the most hundred in ODIs at an average of almost 60, and a batsman who has made chasing 300+ totals look like a walk in the park. They also see him consistently top the ranking in ODIs.

It is more than enough for them to conclude that he is the ultimate ODI batsman.

The legacy of a cricketer is determined by people in Categories A and B and not nerds like us in Category C. Kohli might not have legacy for you or a few others, but that makes no difference when 99% of the people think otherwise.
Click to expand...
You think if he has another miserable WC, Indians will talk about him like that? :))

Did you see how many Indians turned on him after the WC SF? If he loses the plot again AT HOME, it's all over for him.

2023 is his last chance.
 
Mamoon said:
Depends on who you ask.

There are three categories: A, B, C.

A: the players, former legends, commentators, analysts, writers etc.

B: the casual fans who make up the overwhelming majority

C: people like us who post on fan forums. We are not casual fans but because our obsession with the game is far greater. We can call ourselves cricket nerds.

We are in great minority and probably make up less than 1% of the cricket following population.

People in Categories A and B consider Kohli to be the GOAT for different reasons. The players, former legends, commentators etc. appreciate what he has achieved because they have played the game and realize how hard it is and how incredible Kohli has been.

For example, Ponting looks at Kohli and sees a player with 43 hundreds at the age of 31 while he scored 30 in his entire career.

People in Category B, the vast majority of the cricket following population, do not get into nitty-gritty and do not get geeky over stats. They don’t cherry-pick to suit their narrative and they don’t care about records in XYZ countries and individual records in World Cups etc.

They look at Kohli and see a batsman who is well on his way of scoring the most hundred in ODIs at an average of almost 60, and a batsman who has made chasing 300+ totals look like a walk in the park. They also see him consistently top the ranking in ODIs.

It is more than enough for them to conclude that he is the ultimate ODI batsman.

The legacy of a cricketer is determined by people in Categories A and B and not nerds like us in Category C. Kohli might not have legacy for you or a few others, but that makes no difference when 99% of the people think otherwise.
Click to expand...
Nailed it.
 
Aman said:
Gilly didn't play in this era or those numbers would be a lot better.

One has a 100 and 2 50s in WC Finals, the other has done nothing but let his country when it matters most in the WC.
Click to expand...

Except that 3 matches aren't the only determining factor while deciding who is a better batsman. The difference between their overall record is like night and day. Gilly wasn't half as good as Kohli in the ODI format. You can keep shouting from the rooftop, all you'll get from majority fans is ridicule.
 
Last edited:
Aman said:
You think if he has another miserable WC, Indians will talk about him like that? :))

Did you see how many Indians turned on him after the WC SF? If he loses the plot again AT HOME, it's all over for him.

2023 is his last chance.
Click to expand...

Subcontinent fans are usually emotional. When Australia thrashed India in the 2003 World Cup Final, Indian fans were burning effigies of Tendulkar and other Indian players on the streets. However, it was in the heat of the moment and it didn’t mean anything in the long-term.

Tendulkar would have been Tendulkar for India even if he would have flopped in the 2011 World Cup with India not winning, because his legacy and legend was established already.

Similarly, Kohli’s legacy is set in stone and it does not hinge on the 2023 World Cup. Even if he fails, nothing will be over for him. Not dominating a World Cup does not negate everything that he has done for Indian cricket.

Getting involved in match-fixing is the only thing that can ruin/tarnish his legacy for Indian fans. Failing in the 2023 World Cup will not have any long-term implications.
 
Aman said:
You think if he has another miserable WC, Indians will talk about him like that? :))

Did you see how many Indians turned on him after the WC SF? If he loses the plot again AT HOME, it's all over for him.

2023 is his last chance.
Click to expand...

Another? When did he have a miserable World Cup previously?
 
Aman said:
Gilly didn't play in this era or those numbers would be a lot better.

One has a 100 and 2 50s in WC Finals, the other has done nothing but let his country when it matters most in the WC.
Click to expand...

so? they still wouldn't reach the semis if it weren't for kohli.
Anyway he is a test great. Second best only to smith in the current era and even that could potentially change if kohli performs again vs Aussies inn the next tour.
 
Hitman said:
Except that 3 matches aren't the only determining factor while deciding who is a better batsman. The difference between their overall record is like night and day. Gilly wasn't half as good as Kohli in the ODI format. You can keep shouting from the rooftop, all you'll get from majority fans is ridicule.
Click to expand...
The games Kohli scores his billion runs in the Aussies don't bother enough to play their best team in.

They do average for JAMODIs and come the WC they start playing their best XI, form picks up and they're primed and ready for the WC. You need to realize how pointless those JAMODIs are, people forget what happens. What they don't forget is the WC and championships.
 
Hitman said:
Another? When did he have a miserable World Cup previously?
Click to expand...
Was the last WC not miserable for him? He was averaging 100, he averaged 50 odd with zero 100s IIRC and was caught like a deer in the headlights in the WC SF.
 
Aman said:
The games Kohli scores his billion runs in the Aussies don't bother enough to play their best team in.

They do average for JAMODIs and come the WC they start playing their best XI, form picks up and they're primed and ready for the WC. You need to realize how pointless those JAMODIs are, people forget what happens. What they don't forget is the WC and championships.
Click to expand...

India don't care about odi.

test
lpl
world cup
champions trophy
Asia cup

in order.

You do realize kohli always has yobplay because fans want to watch him play. For marketing purposes alone, kohli and sharma are required to play every game in odi when they tour otherwise ratings plummet. This is actually a drawback for them in the long term because they play too many games and burn out.
They don't get ample rest like the overrated players like starc hence performances at times wontnbe up to par in the world cup.

Let kohli and rohit rest as much as some of these other top players and I guarantee you they wouldn't fatigue in the latter stages of the world cup.
 
tyron_woodley said:
India don't care about odi.

test
lpl
world cup
champions trophy
Asia cup

in order.

You do realize kohli always has yobplay because fans want to watch him play. For marketing purposes alone, kohli and sharma are required to play every game in odi when they tour otherwise ratings plummet. This is actually a drawback for them in the long term because they play too many games and burn out.
They don't get ample rest like the overrated players like starc hence performances at times wontnbe up to par in the world cup.

Let kohli and rohit rest as much as some of these other top players and I guarantee you they wouldn't fatigue in the latter stages of the world cup.
Click to expand...
What happened to Kohli and Rohit in the SF wasn't fatigue...

 
Aman said:
Was the last WC not miserable for him? He was averaging 100, he averaged 50 odd with zero 100s IIRC and was caught like a deer in the headlights in the WC SF.
Click to expand...

Averaging 50 odd is akin to having a miserable World Cup now?
 
Aman said:
The games Kohli scores his billion runs in the Aussies don't bother enough to play their best team in.

They do average for JAMODIs and come the WC they start playing their best XI, form picks up and they're primed and ready for the WC. You need to realize how pointless those JAMODIs are, people forget what happens. What they don't forget is the WC and championships.
Click to expand...

Once again, a player's overall record determines his legacy. Performing in World Cups is however the icing on the cake. There's a big reason why former players have constantly rated Kohli as the best ever ODI batsman. You think they don't have an idea about the World Cup criteria that you are speaking of? How many of them have said anything good about Steve Smith in the ODI format despite his record in the knock outs?
 
tyron_woodley said:
it was a 2 day game. not odi. rain affected the game. should have been a rematch.
Click to expand...
Excuses.

We were the ones who had to come back and bat again on the 2nd day and needed our players to get 'in' again.

India also had more time to assess how to go about chasing what NZ set.

This favored India.
 
Last edited:
If winning the WC is the only criterion left for Kohli to be the GOAT in ODI, then he surely will have another shot at the WC in front of his own crowd. On the other hand, we must hold Smith too to a similar criterion- nothing less than winning the Test championship should suffice to make him the Bradman of this generation, dig??
 
dildilpak said:
If winning the WC is the only criterion left for Kohli to be the GOAT in ODI, then he surely will have another shot at the WC in front of his own crowd. On the other hand, we must hold Smith too to a similar criterion- nothing less than winning the Test championship should suffice to make him the Bradman of this generation, dig??
Click to expand...

There is nothing in Tests for decades and he's already had his defining career series.
 
dildilpak said:
If winning the WC is the only criterion left for Kohli to be the GOAT in ODI, then he surely will have another shot at the WC in front of his own crowd. On the other hand, we must hold Smith too to a similar criterion- nothing less than winning the Test championship should suffice to make him the Bradman of this generation, dig??
Click to expand...

Kohli can never be the goat in ODI's.
At best he can surpass Ponting. But never he can come to the level of Viv Richards.

ABDV and Richards have done what no one else can do. They scored a lot of runs at a strike rate that is unachievable by other batsman of the same era.
That's the true challenge, and despite Kohli being one hell of a good ODI batsman he will never be able to do this. Just don't have the game for it, and there is nothing to be ashamed about, apart from these two freaks, Viv and ABDV, no one else ever had it.
 
Mobashir said:
Kohli can never be the goat in ODI's.
At best he can surpass Ponting. But never he can come to the level of Viv Richards.

ABDV and Richards have done what no one else can do. They scored a lot of runs at a strike rate that is unachievable by other batsman of the same era.
That's the true challenge, and despite Kohli being one hell of a good ODI batsman he will never be able to do this. Just don't have the game for it, and there is nothing to be ashamed about, apart from these two freaks, Viv and ABDV, no one else ever had it.
Click to expand...

So now you are comparing strike rates to determine GOAT in ODIs ... I can still understand other parameters but strike rate??? FYI - ODI cricket is not T20.

And what has ABDV ever achieved in ODIs? Shouldn’t he be held to the World cup criterion?
 
Mobashir said:
Kohli can never be the goat in ODI's.
At best he can surpass Ponting. But never he can come to the level of Viv Richards.

ABDV and Richards have done what no one else can do. They scored a lot of runs at a strike rate that is unachievable by other batsman of the same era.
That's the true challenge, and despite Kohli being one hell of a good ODI batsman he will never be able to do this. Just don't have the game for it, and there is nothing to be ashamed about, apart from these two freaks, Viv and ABDV, no one else ever had it.
Click to expand...

Your post reeks of bias, what you just said can be turned around for Kohli as well, name another batsman who's scored 43 hundreds at a 90+ strike rate by the age of 31? The answer is no one.
 
Aman said:
Excuses.

We were the ones who had to come back and bat again on the 2nd day and needed our players to get 'in' again.

India also had more time to assess how to go about chasing what NZ set.

This favored India.
Click to expand...
batting second was a disadvantage especially in a 2 day game. It was supposed to be a one day game.Its a valid excuse. Should have been a rematch. It was a bullsh*t match second only to the final which England should have lost.
 
gtoh lmao. ABD love kohli in any format? yea no. What has ABD done in crucial situations. Kohli has won a worldncup and champions trophy. He scores a crucial 40 odd in the world cup semis and was important in th3 semis of champions trophy as well.
 
dildilpak said:
So now you are comparing strike rates to determine GOAT in ODIs ... I can still understand other parameters but strike rate??? FYI - ODI cricket is not T20.

And what has ABDV ever achieved in ODIs? Shouldn’t he be held to the World cup criterion?
Click to expand...

SR was always a very important criteria in ODI's and is even more important now a days. Scoring a lot of runs or even hundreds is not a major problem these days. What is important is to score them at lively pace. Even very average batsmen like Hope, Imam ul Haq score hundreds for fun these days.
Hope has 6 hundred in 14 innings opening the innings.
Batsman averaging over 40, even around 50 can dropped when with these numbers you could have been regarded one of the greatest ever.
Kohli is a tremendous ODI batsman, but he lacks the X factor that someone like Viv had or even more recently ABDV had.
 
Records keep following Virat Kohli and on Wednesday as the Indian captain walked out in the second one-day international against West Indies at Visakhapatnam, he became the eighth Indian in history to reach 400 international appearances.

Kohli, who made his ODI debut against Sri Lanka in 2008, has so far represented India in 241 ODIs, 84 Tests and 75 T20Is. Other than the 30-year-old Kohli, Sachin Tendulkar (664), MS Dhoni (538), Rahul Dravid (509), Mohammad Azharuddin (433), Sourav Ganguly (424), Anil Kumble (403) and Yuvraj Singh (402) have played 400 or more international matches.

Overall, Kohli is the 33rd player to reach the milestone.

Tendulkar leads the list of making maximum international appearances. The Indian icon is closely followed by Sri Lankas Mahela Jayawardene (652), Kumar Sangakkara (594), Sanath Jayasuria (586) and former Australia captain Ricky Ponting (560).

Meanwhile, in an otherwise odd situation, India are in must-win situation in the second ODI with the series on the line. The Caribbean boys took a 1-0 in the three-match series after registering a thumping eight-wicket win in Chennai.

Ahead of the clash, India pacer Deepak Chahar admitted that a below-par performance in the bowling and fielding department cost India the match in Chennai. Despite posting 287/8 on a slow track in the first game, India failed to defend the total as Shimron Hetmyer and Shai Hope slammed respective hundreds to guide Windies to a comfortable win with 13 balls to spare.

Cuttack will host the third and final ODI on December 22 (Sunday)

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...to-reach-400-international-appearances-909491
 
Mobashir said:
Kohli can never be the goat in ODI's.
At best he can surpass Ponting. But never he can come to the level of Viv Richards.

ABDV and Richards have done what no one else can do. They scored a lot of runs at a strike rate that is unachievable by other batsman of the same era.
That's the true challenge, and despite Kohli being one hell of a good ODI batsman he will never be able to do this. Just don't have the game for it, and there is nothing to be ashamed about, apart from these two freaks, Viv and ABDV, no one else ever had it.
Click to expand...

Then Kapil was a way superior batsman than Imran Khan?
 
Mobashir said:
SR was always a very important criteria in ODI's and is even more important now a days. Scoring a lot of runs or even hundreds is not a major problem these days. What is important is to score them at lively pace. Even very average batsmen like Hope, Imam ul Haq score hundreds for fun these days.
Hope has 6 hundred in 14 innings opening the innings.
Batsman averaging over 40, even around 50 can dropped when with these numbers you could have been regarded one of the greatest ever.
Kohli is a tremendous ODI batsman, but he lacks the X factor that someone like Viv had or even more recently ABDV had.
Click to expand...

Kohli lacks the X-Factor. Now I've heard it all.
 
de Villiers has the highest average and Strike Rate to any batsmen in World Cups who has played over 20 matches. That should be enough to seal the deal.
 
Sidilicious said:
Kohli lacks the X-Factor. Now I've heard it all.
Click to expand...

Kohli surely lack the x factor. Can't remember Kohli winning a big ODI match.

Can't remember Kohli winning many matches that were going down to the end.

Can't remember Kohli taking down any high level ODI bowler, let's say apart from Malinga in that innings. Even if things like that are quite common these days, can't remember Kohli doing it many times.
 
Mobashir said:
Kohli surely lack the x factor. Can't remember Kohli winning a big ODI match.

Can't remember Kohli winning many matches that were going down to the end.

Can't remember Kohli taking down any high level ODI bowler, let's say apart from Malinga in that innings. Even if things like that are quite common these days, can't remember Kohli doing it many times.
Click to expand...

You must be the head student of the Boom Boom Afridi school of play. Kohli may lack the flashiness of a lot of others, but he is the be all & end all of how chases should be paced - the master chaser. And not to forget one of the best conversion rates in the world cricket - i would anyday have him in my team (if i could) then the blow hot, blow cold types.
 
On this day in 2006, Virat's father died at 3 am. 18years old Virat who was unbeaten at 40 overnight, arrived at Feroz Shah Kotla in the morning and scored 90 runs even after being told of his father’s death for his side against Karnataka.

Today he'll be playing his 400th int'l match in Vizag.

vdad.jpg
 
Performance in World Cup is a major benchmark for being considered a GOAT in ODI cricket.

There is a reason why Amla who was ranked no.1 ODI batsmen between 2010-2012 and was at one point averaging 58@97 is not considered an ATG let alone GOAT ODI batsmen.
 
Ab Fan said:
Performance in World Cup is a major benchmark for being considered a GOAT in ODI cricket.

There is a reason why Amla who was ranked no.1 ODI batsmen between 2010-2012 and was at one point averaging 58@97 is not considered an ATG let alone GOAT ODI batsmen.
Click to expand...

Reason amla was not considered as GOAT because he was not exactly doing anything in the bilateral or any tournament. He barely did enough to keep his strike rate like Dhoni does in IPL. Amla's T20 strike rate is 133. Ross Taylor's T20 strike rate is 122 lol We know who can be more dangerous. Imapct players shift between gears seamlessly. Amla was never an impact player like ABDV. That is why he had to live under the shades of ABDV till he retired.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Raina
Click to expand...
It depends on the body frame, some people look shorter than their actual height, some look taller than they actually are. He isn't that short hell decent height-wise by desi standard.
 
Last edited:
Mobashir said:
Kohli surely lack the x factor. Can't remember Kohli winning a big ODI match.

Can't remember Kohli winning many matches that were going down to the end.

Can't remember Kohli taking down any high level ODI bowler, let's say apart from Malinga in that innings. Even if things like that are quite common these days, can't remember Kohli doing it many times.
Click to expand...

You can't remember because you don't want to or you don't watch enough lol. He singlehandedly bulldozed SA into submission at the Centurion. 129 out of 206 runs.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...uth-africa-vs-india-6th-odi-ind-in-sa-2017-18
 
Sidilicious said:
And when you want to be biased, then you will find something to put Kohli down with. First test cricket in England, now SR in ODIs.

Well done!
Click to expand...
lol, this is a new one. This is the first time Kohli is getting called out for his S/r...I mean, really?

People have become really desperate to pull Kohli down. Truth is, Kohli is in top-3 ODIs bats ever, WC exploits or not. To compare him with Amla is well, I'm lost for words...
 
ForbesTopCelebrity2019:

1-Virat Kohli
2-Akshay Kumar
3-Salman Khan
4-Amitabh Bachan
5-MS Dhoni

King Kohli's Rank Year-Wise:
2017 - 3rd Rank
2018 - 2nd Rank
2019 - 1st Rank
 
Still remember his 183 against Pakistan and then the ton in the 2015 World Cup. Probably my 2 favourite Kohli innings.
 
Last edited:
Mobashir said:
Kohli surely lack the x factor. Can't remember Kohli winning a big ODI match.

Can't remember Kohli winning many matches that were going down to the end.

Can't remember Kohli taking down any high level ODI bowler, let's say apart from Malinga in that innings. Even if things like that are quite common these days, can't remember Kohli doing it many times.
Click to expand...

Kohli surely lack the x factor. Can't remember Kohli winning a big ODI match.

Asia Cup 2012 vs Pakistan - 183

Can't remember Kohli winning many matches that were going down to the end.

WCT20 2016 vs Austrailia - 82*
 
Virat Kohli dethroned Bollywood's biggest A-listers to top the Forbes India Celebrity 100 List in 2019, becoming the first sportsperson to do so since its inception eight years ago. The top position has been with actors before Kohli, who earned Rs 252.72 crore between October 1, 2018 and September 30, 2019 according to Forbes, took the pole position. Akshay Kumar also rose in the rankings to the second spot with Rs 293.25 crore in the period of consideration and Salman Khan, who has been at the top of the list since 2016, completed the top three.

Why Kohli ranks higher than Akshay Kumar, who posted higher earnings than the India captain, can be explained by the disclaimer offered by Forbes.

"The celebrity ranks are based on an aggregate of the estimated earnings and their calculated fame quotient, via print and social media reach. Some celebrities who score very high on fame might be ranked higher than those who have stronger revenues, but a poor fame score," Forbes says in an explanation of how the ranks are calculated.

According to Forbes India, Kohli made his earnings from match fees, the BCCI central contract, brand endorsements and an eight-figure fee for every sponsored Instagram post.

Former India captain MS Dhoni and batting legend Sachin Tendulkar also make the top 10 in the list at the fifth and ninth positions respectively. Tendulkar, according to Forbes, holds the distinction of appearing in the top 10 of the list every year despite having retired from the game in 2013.

Rohit Sharma almost broke into the top 10 as well, jumping from the 23rd spot to 11th following a stellar year with the bat across all formats.

Others from the men's cricket team in the list include Rishabh Pant, Hardik Pandya, Jasprit Bumrah, KL Rahul, Shikhar Dhawan, Ravindra Jadeja and Kuldeep Yadav.

Women cricketers Mithali Raj, Smriti Mandhana and Harmanpreet Kaur are also in the top 100 list.

Other athletes who made the Forbes India Celebrity 100 List are shuttlers PV Sindhu and Saina Nehwal, wrestler Bajrang Punia, boxer Mary Kom, tennis player Rohan Bopanna, footballer Sunil Chhetri and golfer Anirban Lahiri.


https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/vir...o-top-forbes-india-100-celebrity-list-2152358
 
1)sachin-18426(452 inn)
2)sanga-14234(380 inn)
3)ponting-13704
4)sanath-13430
5)mahela-12650
6)inzamam-11739(350 inn)
7) ���������� ����������-11583(233 inn)
8)kallis-11579(314 inn)

Goes past kallis and now 7th in the all time leading run scorers(odi)
 
Most international runs in

2016: Virat Kohli
2017: Virat Kohli
2018: Virat Kohli
2019: Virat Kohli
 
King_Kohli said:
1)sachin-18426(452 inn)
2)sanga-14234(380 inn)
3)ponting-13704
4)sanath-13430
5)mahela-12650
6)inzamam-11739(350 inn)
7) ���������� ����������-11583(233 inn)
8)kallis-11579(314 inn)

Goes past kallis and now 7th in the all time leading run scorers(odi)
Click to expand...

Will anyone break the run tally of Tendulkar? Amazing! Truly the goat!
 
In the last 10 years, India have had 10 successful 300+ chases.
Kohli in those chases:

- 7 centuries
- 1 fifty (today)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Buffet
Kumar Sangakkara versus Virat Kohli in the Test format
2 3
Replies
177
Views
2K
Hawkeye
H
Ab Fan
Virat Kohli versus Kapil Dev – who is the greater Test cricketer and who made a bigger impact?
Replies
27
Views
392
amax
amax
FearlessRoar
Virat Kohli named as ICC Men's ODI Cricketer of the Year (2023)
Replies
25
Views
1K
mikeypbadana86
M
Z
The ICC T20 World Cup 2024 discussion
2
Replies
118
Views
6K
FearlessRoar
FearlessRoar
Hitman
'He's among top 4, 5 greatest cricketers I have seen': Courtney Walsh on Virat Kohli
Replies
12
Views
1K
Asad T
Asad T
Back
Top