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JaDed said:
No issues with that as such, my issue is more with him overshadowing his colleague's success.
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I don't quite understand, please do explain this 'Overshadowing' bit. How exactly did he snatch all the glory and credit away from his colleagues?
 
King_Kohli said:
Most Test Wins as Captain :

G Smith - 53 (109 Matches)
R Ponting - 48 (77)
S Waugh - 41 (57)
C Lloyd - 36 (74)
VIRAT KOHLI - 32 (52)
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But but why talk about cricket related stuff in a cricket thread? Let's make fun of some irrelevant kids show instead.
 
Hyperion66 said:
I don't quite understand, please do explain this 'Overshadowing' bit. How exactly did he snatch all the glory and credit away from his colleagues?
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Social media bro, except the cricket sites all other news ones have poster about how he pushed Agrawal from the gallery, that us PR, not wrong but cringeworthy!
 
JaDed said:
Social media bro, except the cricket sites all other news ones have poster about how he pushed Agrawal from the gallery, that us PR, not wrong but cringeworthy!
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Bro I dint see Mayank credit snatched by someone in news, if you look at major social media.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ble-hundred/story-p30Kfs9TTlSddW2KFesbuK.html

https://www.indiatoday.in/msn-it/m-...double-century-don-bradman-1619321-2019-11-15

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...ngladesh-day-2-indore-test-1619300-2019-11-15

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...lly-bangladesh-1st-test-day-2-scores-6121566/

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...arwal-india-bangladesh-cricket-match-6122033/

https://www.firstpost.com/firstcric...garwal-smashes-second-double-ton-7656921.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...nnings-win-for-india/articleshow/72084433.cms
 
King_Kohli said:
Bro I dint see Mayank credit snatched by someone in news, if you look at major social media.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ble-hundred/story-p30Kfs9TTlSddW2KFesbuK.html

https://www.indiatoday.in/msn-it/m-...double-century-don-bradman-1619321-2019-11-15

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...ngladesh-day-2-indore-test-1619300-2019-11-15

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...lly-bangladesh-1st-test-day-2-scores-6121566/

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...arwal-india-bangladesh-cricket-match-6122033/

https://www.firstpost.com/firstcric...garwal-smashes-second-double-ton-7656921.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...nnings-win-for-india/articleshow/72084433.cms
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.hind...s-watch/story-T8bXZvvOdVHQFBNwhjEi7O_amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...ure-for-mayank-agarwal-during-1st-test/516174

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ou...-agarwal-to-score-double-hundred-watch/342432


I can keep posting how Kohli’s name is being included in this..
Just that am doing it from mobile
 
JaDed said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.hind...s-watch/story-T8bXZvvOdVHQFBNwhjEi7O_amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...ure-for-mayank-agarwal-during-1st-test/516174

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ou...-agarwal-to-score-double-hundred-watch/342432


I can keep posting how Kohli’s name is being included in this..
Just that am doing it from mobile
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All the media you mentioned well covered on Mayank as I mention above in main headlines.
Motivating and encouraging players is not snatching credibility
 
Wow people are really touchy about Kohli.. all the posts were against the massive PR machinery which is what Dhoni had too and was annoying..
 
JaDed said:
Wow people are really touchy about Kohli.. all the posts were against the massive PR machinery which is what Dhoni had too and was annoying..
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Hope future generations like Shaw,Gill won't follow these steps.
 
andy0204 said:
Hope future generations like Shaw,Gill won't follow these steps.
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Both already have the PR machinery in place, Mayank is probably the least, If i search for it am sure I’ll find some company behind it that has these two signed.

The amount of news Gill And Shaw get are pretty high considering both are not in the team.
 
The only Asian to complete 5,000 Test runs as Captain ....
Kohli has completed 5000 runs as captain.
He becomes the first Asian Captain to achieve this massive feat....

Virat Kohli as Test Captain !!!

Innings - 86*
Runs -5000*
Average -63+
100s-19
50s-12
 
It seems Kohli reserves his best for tough, pace friendly pitches ever since his England struggles. He has been phenomenal on such tracks, but for some reason has underperformed on flatter decks. Lack of motivation or whatever, but this is quite noticeable.
 
Arya said:
It seems Kohli reserves his best for tough, pace friendly pitches ever since his England struggles. He has been phenomenal on such tracks, but for some reason has underperformed on flatter decks. Lack of motivation or whatever, but this is quite noticeable.
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Good for India :)
 
Arya said:
It seems Kohli reserves his best for tough, pace friendly pitches ever since his England struggles. He has been phenomenal on such tracks, but for some reason has underperformed on flatter decks. Lack of motivation or whatever, but this is quite noticeable.
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If ball is doing something in the air or off the pitch, he will play with caution and with better concentration..on flatter decks he seems to be in relaxed mood and that leads to lapse in his concentration,eventually leads to his downfall.
 
It needed a Pujara to get India a series win in SENA. No "tough" runs were seen during that time by Kaptaan.
 
I cant believe i am writing this but that 123 in Perth & Kohli’s innings in Centurian were two of the best centuries in recent times by an Asian batsman mainly because of the crazy bounce on those pitches. India lost Perth bcoz nobody supported Kohli & so was the same in SA & England. One can question Kohli’s team selection but can’t believe that some Indians rate Pujara over Kohli just because he scored runs on flat Australian pitches & won them 2 games.
 
WengerOut said:
He is not that great against pace as is being portrayed here. He is average against spin. But he is a very hard worker and relentless. That is what carrying him.
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Is that not the essence of every top sportsman - Hardwork and relentlessness?
 
WengerOut said:
He is not that great against pace as is being portrayed here. He is average against spin. But he is a very hard worker and relentless. That is what carrying him.
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Do you think Steve Smith,Kumar Sangakkara and many other players are naturally talented?
It is the hardwork that makes them best.
 
BlueBeamer said:
Is that not the essence of every top sportsman - Hardwork and relentlessness?
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Yes. But we are being consistently told that he is great against pace bowlers. Hence the retort. He has maximised his abilities. He was never a prodigious talent.
 
andy0204 said:
Do you think Steve Smith,Kumar Sangakkara and many other players are naturally talented?
It is the hardwork that makes them best.
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See my answer for BlueBeamer qstn. I respect gritty hard workers, but i love prodigious talents who can consistently perform.
 
BlueBeamer said:
Greatest Asian Test Captain...Kaptaan Kohli.
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By career end he will break all test captaincy records and captaincy batting records with incapability of great against pace and average against spin.

He is weak against anything

:)):)):))
 
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jiduguravindra said:
If ball is doing something in the air or off the pitch, he will play with caution and with better concentration..on flatter decks he seems to be in relaxed mood and that leads to lapse in his concentration,eventually leads to his downfall.
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Then why couldn't he excute the same in World Cup semifinal when the ball was swinging?
 
King_Kohli said:
By career end he will break all test captaincy records and captaincy batting records with incapability of great against pace and average against spin.

He is weak against anything

:)):)):))
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I can bet my bottom dollar that he will never win any icc tournaments,if iam wrong then I will accept it that i was wrong.
 
odi doesnt mean much. one off game in the semis doesn't matter. He played well till we reached semis.

test cricket is real cricket and right now he is number 2. He is like ronaldo. messi is smith.

btw pujara won india 2 games on roads lol? those were some nasty bouncy pitches. Similar to what they always dish out when an Asian team tours australia.

cummins, hazelwood and starc constantly hurt the indian batsmen but india retaliated and hurt them more. That was the difference. I bet finch, harris, head all had nightmares after that series. Poor lads had to endure a lot of damage.

Bumrah and shami will repeat that performance again when india tours australia next year. Except this time Warner will be taken out instead. Head clean off. I want to see blood. Break smith and Warner's bones. Both bumrah and shami are fully capable of doing just that.
 
andy0204 said:
Then why couldn't he excute the same in World Cup semifinal when the ball was swinging?
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He is a proven mental midget in World Cup knockouts. Doesn't take away from his skills and ability though. 3-5 match Test series in Testing conditions is a bigger test of it than an LOI.
 
andy0204 said:
I can bet my bottom dollar that he will never win any icc tournaments,if iam wrong then I will accept it that i was wrong.
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may be.
How many total ICC tournaments played under kohli captaincy?
I am predicting we will share combine test championship
 
Arya said:
He is a proven mental midget in World Cup knockouts. Doesn't take away from his skills and ability though. 3-5 match Test series in Testing conditions is a bigger test of it than an LOI.
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This is correct.
You can criticize kohli for under performing in second innings unlike smith though. That's why he isn't quite at the level of smith.
 
kohli will.lift the 2023 world cup anyway. The what will the haters say?

oh he could only win at home. well root and could only fluke a draw at home and win on some absurd boundary rule.

australia only won in 2015 because they played at home.
 
tyron_woodley said:
kohli will.lift the 2023 world cup anyway. The what will the haters say?

oh he could only win at home. well root and could only fluke a draw at home and win on some absurd boundary rule.

australia only won in 2015 because they played at home.
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It doesn't count if kohli didn't make hundreds in both semi final and final..
 
tyron_woodley said:
kohli will.lift the 2023 world cup anyway. The what will the haters say?

oh he could only win at home. well root and could only fluke a draw at home and win on some absurd boundary rule.

australia only won in 2015 because they played at home.
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That hater used to be his one of his favourites but due to selection politics that resulted loss in eng,sa test series and a world cup made him as a hater.
 
The test averages of Fab four:-

Smith 64
Kohli 55
Williamson 52
Root 47

Honestly the Gap is wide between the Fab four in terms of averages.
 
Ab Fan said:
The test averages of Fab four:-

Smith 64
Kohli 55
Williamson 52
Root 47

Honestly the Gap is wide between the Fab four in terms of averages.
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Its down to Terrific 3 now.

Average of 47 aint good enough to get one into the top tier batsman IMHO.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Red Ball ... White Ball ... Now Pink Ball ... <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@imVkohli</a> is the best Batsman across all formats in this era ... #100 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvBAN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvBAN</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1198164388739305473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Vaughan just said in the interview that Smith is the best batsman he has seen in his lifetime..
 
Root is finished.. He will never achieve greatness.

Williamson won’t play enough tests. So it will be Smith then daylight then Kohli then rest.
 
well I think smith is a better test player than kohli but the gap isn't wide.
Smith is ahead because he performed vs all top sides except s.africa. His second innings record is better than virat.

we shall soon find out anyway when india tour next year.
 
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Can we please just stop comparing Smith and kohli?
Iam sick and tired for listening everytime.
Now it's getting bored.
 
Red ball - Scored a century in his first innings as captain.

Pink ball - Scored a century in his first innings as captain.

White ball - Scored a century in his second innings as captain.



Virat Kohli
 
2 or more test 100s at a venue for &#55349;&#56341;&#55349;&#56354;&#55349;&#56363;&#55349;&#56346;&#55349;&#56365; &#55349;&#56356;&#55349;&#56360;&#55349;&#56353;&#55349;&#56357;&#55349;&#56354;

Adelaide(aus)-3
Eden gardens(ind)-2
Galle(sl)-2
Nagpur(ind)-2
 
Most international 100s as captain(across formats)

&#55349;&#56341;&#55349;&#56354;&#55349;&#56363;&#55349;&#56346;&#55349;&#56365; &#55349;&#56356;&#55349;&#56360;&#55349;&#56353;&#55349;&#56357;&#55349;&#56354;-41(188 innings)
Ponting-41(376 innings)
 
ChennaiFan said:
Anyone who contradicts the mainstream narrative must be from Tamil Nadu. Nice logic! I am getting sick of such sterotype mentality. :facepalm:
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I am from TN too, but dint get offended by the question, although its a tad insensitive question. It just happens *to be a fact* that most of Indians on PP "who contradict mainstream narrative" ( BTW, nice choice of words) are from TN.
 
Sir Alex said:
Pujara is the 4th one in that. Not Root.
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I don't agree. Root is an all format batsmen and a naturally aggressive batsmen who has established his stature as a part of Fab four. He is youngest of the quartet and his country plays a higher number of test matches per year, so it's hard to maintain that high average. He has 7000 test runs and is 3 years younger than Pujara(who has 5500 runs).

He definitely is the part of Fab four and better than Pujara, Warner and Taylor(he is from a different era though) who are in a level below tier.
 
andy0204 said:
Can we please just stop comparing Smith and kohli?
Iam sick and tired for listening everytime.
Now it's getting bored.
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Yeah me too. But like it or not its entrenched in the bipolar human psyche - VK haters want to show him in poor light, whereas his fans want to bring all the inane nuances to make him look better than SS. Same wud be true for other's fans/haters.
 
King_Kohli said:
Most international 100s as captain(across formats)

&#55349;&#56341;&#55349;&#56354;&#55349;&#56363;&#55349;&#56346;&#55349;&#56365; &#55349;&#56356;&#55349;&#56360;&#55349;&#56353;&#55349;&#56357;&#55349;&#56354;-41(188 innings)
Ponting-41(376 innings)
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Ultra legend.
 
Ab Fan said:
I don't agree. Root is an all format batsmen and a naturally aggressive batsmen who has established his stature as a part of Fab four. He is youngest of the quartet and his country plays a higher number of test matches per year, so it's hard to maintain that high average. He has 7000 test runs and is 3 years younger than Pujara(who has 5500 runs).

He definitely is the part of Fab four and better than Pujara, Warner and Taylor(he is from a different era though) who are in a level below tier.
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virat plays more matches any of the guys in the fab 4. That's why I am waiting fo the next 2 india v australia series to see who truly is better. Both home and away included.
 
arunpsm said:
I am from TN too, but dint get offended by the question, although its a tad insensitive question. It just happens *to be a fact* that most of Indians on PP "who contradict mainstream narrative" ( BTW, nice choice of words) are from TN.
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Hi there Statemate! Good to know. :wave

I too didn't get offended. Just pointed out the bias influenced by regions. I am a big fan of Kohli, but I understand that like anyone else he also has some weaknesses.
 
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Ab Fan said:
I don't agree. Root is an all format batsmen and a naturally aggressive batsmen who has established his stature as a part of Fab four. He is youngest of the quartet and his country plays a higher number of test matches per year, so it's hard to maintain that high average. He has 7000 test runs and is 3 years younger than Pujara(who has 5500 runs).

He definitely is the part of Fab four and better than Pujara, Warner and Taylor(he is from a different era though) who are in a level below tier.
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Playing more matches work both ways. If you are in form then you get more opportunities to boost your average and runs tally.

Naturally aggressive has got nothing to do with being part of an elite bunch. Dravid was never naturally aggressive yet he us counted as one of the best india produced.

Root was definitely part of Fab 4 a while back but has steadily regressed over last three years (since made captain). He has averaged barely 40 since 2017.

Plus Root despite having played nearly 40 more innings than Pujara has fewer test 100s.
 
Best ever Test ratings for Indian Batsmen :

1. Virat Kohli : 937 (Year: 2018)

2. Sunil Gavaskar : 916 (1979)

3. Sachin Tendulkar : 898 (2002)

4. Rahul Dravid : 892 (2005)

5. C Pujara : 888 (2017)
 
Most M.O.M Awards In intl cricket

Sachin - 76
Jayasuriya - 58
Kallis - 57
Kohli - 56*
 
If he can score in a WC knock out - 50 over format and win India some match. That is the the day for me. Till then, he is just a run machine not useful in times of need. A good cameo of 40-50 runs the SF would have won India the match.
 
Half man; half amazing.

Pakistani batsmen should be forced to watch all his innings, although I doubt it will improve them :yk
 
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