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West Indies [306 & 17/0] beat England [187 & 132] by 10 wickets in the 2nd Test, lead series 2-0

WI continuing to graft, england pacers not having same effect on this surface like WI did. Been impressed by WI discapline.
 
3 down...it is now England's match to lose as Windies is going to bat 2nd on this difficult pitch
 
WI need a decent 1st inns lead if possible, pitch will be a lottery batting last so they want to be chasing to many.
 
Now imagine if Wood was available to bowl from the end that Broad is bowling.

One ball goes chest high and other below the knee.
 
He has potential as a batting all rounder. But England already have superior version in Stokes.
 
ENG 187
WI 198/5 (73.0 Ovs) CRR: 2.71
Day 2: 2nd Session - Windies lead by 11 runs.
 
ILcricket said:
England 's pathetic selection policy responsible for this horror show , going in the Test with just 2 bowlers & 1 world class all rounder who should be bowling maximum 15 overs per innings . Curran is picked for his batting ability [ 15 wickets in 9 ] & Moeen [ 167 wickets in 57 tests at s/r of 62 & avg of over 37 ] too .
Picking bowlers for their batting ability does NOT work in Tests . My bowling attack would have been Jimmy , Broad , Wood , Leach + Stokes . Play Moeen as a batsmen [ avg 30 ] if you have no better options .
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Curran is there as a bowler. He just happens to have the potential to become a test batter too. Compare his bowling average to every competitor.

I have still been given no good argument as to why Leach is a better test bowler than Moeen.

Anyway England have bowled really well today and probably deserved to bowl WI out.
 
Anderson with some cloud in Eng is a different bowler.
 
West Indies are ahead here. A 100 lead will put a lot of pressure on the England batters.
 
Buffet said:
Anderson with some cloud in Eng is a different bowler.
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Yeah he's a bit overrated. A legend of the game but falls short of ATG status yet some think he's in the same league as Dale Steyn :))
 
Everything that Holder does screams "Responsible". No wonder he was chosen as the captain at such a young age.
 
Bravos innings has been very interesting. Thought he might have been more positive. But he hasn’t played test cricket in a while.
 
topspin said:
Yeah he's a bit overrated. A legend of the game but falls short of ATG status yet some think he's in the same league as Dale Steyn :))
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he is a good bowler and he will pick up truckload of wickets in next home season, but he is no where near ATG benchmark. In most venues he averages 30-40.
 
Very determined effort by the Windies. At times in the recent past the Windies have shown a careless attitude towards Test cricket but the performance today was marked by an evident display of pride and firmness of purpose.
 
West Indies showing a different side to them! This team has developed well. A series win would give them a lot of confidence.
 
Respect to west indies. Considering how messy their cricket board is, they are doing wonderful. Can't wait for India's next test series with these guys. Our new openers, Kohli, Pujara vs these fast bowlers would be a treat to watch.
 
KB said:
Very determined effort by the Windies. At times in the recent past the Windies have shown a careless attitude towards Test cricket but the performance today was marked by an evident display of pride and firmness of purpose.
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Welcome, you are probably the oldest poster here (in terms of PP career). Absolutely spot on - it's the pride, some how they always raise their game against their former masters. I think, Holder's Captaincy has a big factor in it - guy is performing and leading from the front. Easily the best fast bowling all-rounder in contemporary cricket
 
KB said:
Very determined effort by the Windies. At times in the recent past the Windies have shown a careless attitude towards Test cricket but the performance today was marked by an evident display of pride and firmness of purpose.
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They really dug in against some good bowling. England did not help themselves by dropping three catches.

Some England player is going to have to get 150 if England are to win this. So many of them seem to think the ball with their name on it is coming on this wicket so they have to hit out first.

Bayliss must go, I think. Ramprakash does not seem to be working as batting coach either.
 
Brathwaite has so far topscored with 49 as Windies batted all day to reach 272-6 off 111 overs – a first innings lead of 85 with three days left in the match. He was solid in what was an outstanding display of Test match batting. West Indies battled hard and scored 242 runs off 90 overs on the day to gain the advantage.

Brathwaite faced 156 balls and hit three boundaries in over three hours at the crease. He put on 70 for the first wicket with John Campbell the lone man dismissed before lunch, for 47 off 118 balls – as the home team put on 96 runs in the first session. It was the third half-century opening stand in three innings for the pair.

Resuming on Saturday morning will be Darren Bravo (33 not out off 165 balls) and captain Jason Holder (19 not out off 58 balls). Bravo took over where Brathwaite left off and has so far played a watchful and patient knock to hold the innings together.

In between Shai Hope showed flashes of brilliance with five sparkling boundaries in 44 off 66 balls. He added 63 for the second wicket with Brathwaite in a period where bat dominated ball. Wicket-keeper Shane Dowrich scored 31 to follow up his unbeaten century in the first Test victory, while left-hander Shimron Hetmyer got 21 to follow up his 81 and 31 in Barbados.

“It’s not an easy pitch. Actually, it’s quite a tough pitch to bat on. Spending time in the middle is key. You have to play what you see. You can’t worry about what went before, just have to focus on the next ball. England bowled well, they really tested us in every way. They were quite good and made us work hard. It was tough, Test cricket isn’t easy... no day is easy. It’s good for the team, when see a teammate fighting … it gives you the strength to continue the fight,” Brathwaite said.

“Bravo has been exceptional. Just keep doing what he’s doing. Once he keeps going with the Skipper that will out us in a really good position. With a lead of 85 once we start well tomorrow that will be great for us.”

Brathwaite added: “The confidence is high in the camp. We are still underdogs but we’re doing a great job. Six days of cricket so far and we have been very disciplined. We were very impressive in the first match in Barbados and we have carried that discipline into this match here. We’re in a good position but we don’t want to get too far ahead… still work to do to win the match.”

Scores: ENGLAND 187 (Moeen Ali 60, Jonny Bairstow 52; Kemar Roach 4-30, Shannon Gabriel 3-45, Alzarri Joseph 2-38) WEST INDIES 272-6 (Kraigg Brathwaite 49, John Campbell 47, Shai Hope 44, Darren Bravo 33 not out, Shane Dowrich 31; Stuart Broad 3-42)


Match Schedule

1st Test: Kensington Oval – Jan 23-27

2nd Test: Sir Vivian Richards Cricket Ground – Jan 31 to Feb 4

3rd Test: Daren Sammy Cricket Ground – Feb 9-13

CWI Media Release
 
JattMaula said:
You answered that question yourself. One more hard ball bowler would have been golden.
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Who though? Wood is skiddy and might not exploit the variable bounce. I don’t think he has the accuracy to keep hitting that ridge on the pitch.

Woakes is more of a banger-in and so might be handy here. Except he has a test hundred so would be classed as an allrounder not a specialist by [MENTION=148401]ILcricket[/MENTION] ;-)
 
From Windies Cricket

Sad news in the WINDIES camp. Our young fast bowler Alzarri Joseph's mother, Sharon Joseph, passed away earlier today. Please join us as we express our heartfelt condolences to Alzarri and his family during this very difficult time.
 
Robert said:
Who though? Wood is skiddy and might not exploit the variable bounce. I don’t think he has the accuracy to keep hitting that ridge on the pitch.

Woakes is more of a banger-in and so might be handy here. Except he has a test hundred so would be classed as an allrounder not a specialist by [MENTION=148401]ILcricket[/MENTION] ;-)
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You are welcome to your boy wonder Curran [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] who bowled 13 overs out of 111 in this innings :)
Broad starts proceedings .
 
Thoughts and prayers with Alzarri Joseph. He's taking part in match today and I hope he holds up. He was crying before the match started.
 
Spare a thought for Broad. He bowled brilliantly. WI 103 plays and misses by West Indies. That is almost like 17 overs of plays and missed. None could find the edge.

Broad was frustrated to be left out of the first Test in Barbados, an error only highlighted by his threat here in Antigua. Asked if he felt he had a point to prove, the 32-year-old replied: “I don’t think so. Everyone in the set-up knows how nicely I’ve been bowling in the nets.

“I got three wickets today but in all honesty I could have walked away with a hatful. I don’t mean that to sound arrogant but I felt that threatening as a bowler.”
 
It is with great sadness that we have been informed that Sharon Joseph, the mother of our young fast bowler Alzarri Joseph, has passed away.

We know that this will be a very sad and difficult time for Alzarri and his family.

But we hope that it brings him comfort to know that his grief is shared by us all – his teammates and support staff of the WINDIES team – and we would like to extend our deepest sympathies to him and his family.

CWI Release
 
Matter of time. Beaten beaten beaten. all morning. Eventually Holder perished. This is what experience does. Anderson kept that line and length relentlessly eventually rewarded

281/7
 
Anderson is in the middle of a peach of a spell. If he is lucky he could roll over WI very quickly.
 
I have no idea why Windies keep using light rollers while batting. Wouldn't they want a heavy roller to settle the pitch down for a bit? Atherton's logic is "WI doesn't want heavy roller applied twice" (one during WI batting one at the start of England batting)
 
West indies have batted so poorly, admittedly the pitch is poor but still,englands bowling has largely looked toothless.
 
ENG 187
WI 287/7 (121.0 Ovs) CRR: 2.37
Day 3: 1st Session - Windies lead by 100 runs
 
barah_admi said:
West indies have batted so poorly, admittedly the pitch is poor but still,englands bowling has largely looked toothless.
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??? 103 plays and misses? Even today morning numerous misses. 4 catches dropped. They bowled as well as they could. It is the sheer temperament, detremination fo WI that helped them survive. I fancy lot of established teams getting bowled out for far less on the same pitch against same attack.
 
barah_admi said:
West indies have batted so poorly, admittedly the pitch is poor but still,englands bowling has largely looked toothless.
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I think they have batted really well against good bowling on a difficult track, occupying the crease and grinding out a 100 run lead. If only England had shown such application!
 
England with Duke ball are always beasts in helpful conditions. Especially Anderson/Broad. Large credit goes to opening partnership especially Brathwhite. Who just like in the historic win in England showed great concentration. 8 down.
 
This is probably a par bowling performance from England and a par batting performance from West Indies. I can’t blame our bowlers for the Windies being 290/8.

The disparity comes when considering England’s first innings batting score, which was woeful once again and (also once again) is likely to be their undoing as the match goes on.
 
If there is one complaint then that would be about Team selection. Woakes might have been handy here.
 
113 ahead & a wicket in hand . England will have to score over 290 to have a chance here . 298/9
 
jnaveen1980 said:
If there is one complaint then that would be about Team selection. Woakes might have been handy here.
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But then he has a very bad record overseas. In England he averages 40 with the bat and 22 with the ball!
 
Robert said:
But then he has a very bad record overseas. In England he averages 40 with the bat and 22 with the ball!
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Only because of the conditions, only because it is a duke ball. Not very dissimilar. Curran is more a 5th bowling option rather than 3rd.
 
Moeen will get whacked, daft of Root to bring him on.
 
wow That six.. It was like watching Lara again :) Remember the days when he bashed Kaneria for fun lol
 
Bravo's return is very important for West Indies, provides some extra middle-order stability.

Three WI players have gotten 40 and out, Bravo on 49.
 
This is 130th over.

Anderson 29 overs
Broad 36 overs
Stokes 27 overs

This will come back to bite them in the 2nd innings. Those are lot of overs. Even Ali has bowled only 24.
 
As per the rough math a fast bowler run for 180 meter per over. So broad has run for minimum 6.4 kilo metre. Add the energy to bowl fast. IT is a thankless job.
 
Fifty for Bravo after five hours and 40 minutes at the crease. That's an old school innings and important as WI extend their lead.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This is 130th over.

Anderson 29 overs
Broad 36 overs
Stokes 27 overs

This will come back to bite them in the 2nd innings. Those are lot of overs. Even Ali has bowled only 24.
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Play with 2 bowlers & 1 world class all rounder - you run the risk of of bowling them in to the ground . 306/10 . Lead 119 .Predict England's 2nd innings score ?
 
All said and done it is an absorbing test match that is slightly favorable towards West Indies.
 
ILcricket said:
You are welcome to your boy wonder Curran [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] who bowled 13 overs out of 111 in this innings :)
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Ok you win on Curran in these conditions.

Moeen takes 3-60 off 25 first-innings overs. Which available specialist spinner would have done better?
 
Robert said:
Moeen takes 3-60 off 25 first-innings overs. Which available specialist spinner would have done better?
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err I thought we were discussing the full time 3rd bowler Curran & not the batting all rounder Moeen ? Curran - 13 threatening overs out of 131 overs .
 
West Indies have been bowled out for 306 pm Day 3 of the 2nd Test and now hold a lead of 119 runs against England; Darren Bravo (50) was the last man out for the hosts, whilst Stuart Broad took 3/53 for the visitors;
 
Rana said:
Innings defeat on the cards here for England?
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Given the conditions, duke ball, Roach's form they shouldn't cross 250. But if England shows the same application as WI did, they could claw back as WI will bat the last where even Moeen will become a genuine threat.
 
bbbbbut Jack Leach should be playing instead of Moeen is it aye [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]? Proving again why he’s the best option for England as first choice spinner. Runs in the 1st innings and then wickets with the ball. :shh
 
Good grief brutal ball there.

Don't mind pitches like this once in a while. Batsmen shouldn't have everything in their favour.

Compare this to the knee high filth in UAE.
 
Roach off radar in his first over, but batting will remain challenging.
 
ILcricket said:
err I thought we were discussing the full time 3rd bowler Curran & not the batting all rounder Moeen ? Curran - 13 threatening overs out of 131 overs .
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You've also criticised the selection of Moeen as an allrounder not a specialist spinner. What specialist spinner would be better?
 
This is vintage Caribbean cricket - pace, bounce and real hostility.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Given the conditions, duke ball, Roach's form they shouldn't cross 250. But if England shows the same application as WI did, they could claw back as WI will bat the last where even Moeen will become a genuine threat.
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Beard averages 19 with the ball in the fourth innings.
 
It’s time India visits West Indies so that this can be called a C team of a minnow without Marshall, Holding, Garner, Richards on this forum. Seriously.
 
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