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Forecast looks good for the remaining 2 days. Pakistan can force a result here. I've seen West Indies collapse dramatically even in their latest series win against Bangladesh. If Pakistan get a couple of quick wickets today morning it could end all too quickly for the Windies.

On the other hand, even slight resistance from WI batters and they can save this game.
 
sam_ahm said:
Forecast looks good for the remaining 2 days. Pakistan can force a result here. I've seen West Indies collapse dramatically even in their latest series win against Bangladesh. If Pakistan get a couple of quick wickets today morning it could end all too quickly for the Windies.

On the other hand, even slight resistance from WI batters and they can save this game.
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I think with Pakistan dismissing Kraigg and Roston early has put them in a good position to bowl out WI by hopefully the 1st or 2nd session of the day.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
I think with Pakistan dismissing Kraigg and Roston early has put them in a good position to bowl out WI by hopefully the 1st or 2nd session of the day.
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Bonner has test average of 45 he is capable bat so need to get his wkt early then Holder is another who will make life difficult. Need these two to be gone quickly.
 
classic said:
Bonner has test average of 45 he is capable bat so need to get his wkt early then Holder is another who will make life difficult. Need these two to be gone quickly.
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Nah, I'm not concerned by Bonner or Mayers for that matter, both are newbies and haven't faced a bowling attack such as ours.

The main pain in our back side is gonna be Blackwood, if you get Blackwood early then we can polish them off quite quick. Pakistan have a road map to win this game but it all depends on weather interruptions and bowlers bowling their socks off. I sometimes think that should we have went with Dhani instead of Numan but that would leave us completely exposed by not having at least 1 proper spinner in the team.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Nah, I'm not concerned by Bonner or Mayers for that matter, both are newbies and haven't faced a bowling attack such as ours.

The main pain in our back side is gonna be Blackwood, if you get Blackwood early then we can polish them off quite quick. Pakistan have a road map to win this game but it all depends on weather interruptions and bowlers bowling their socks off. I sometimes think that should we have went with Dhani instead of Numan but that would leave us completely exposed by not having at least 1 proper spinner in the team.
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I agree, the major wicket is going to be Jermaine Blackwood, though I think that Jason Holder will also cause some problems if we don't get him out early.

My argument for Dahani's inclusion is quite simple: Faheem and Abbas have almost identical bowling styles. In any good test match team, you need people who have a wider array of skills that can be exploited at different facets of the game.

People will obviously criticize me for pushing for Dahani's inclusion instead of Naseem's, but the fact of the matter is that because Dahani has more height, he will be more successful than his counterpart in Naseem.

The type of bowler we are missing on our test team is an enforcer, someone who comes in and bowls to batsman at their bodies and takes advantage of the old ball.

To me, Abbas offers nothing with the ball, which is quite evident considering that Faheem has taken more wickets than him this series despite having the added responsibility to bat as well.
 
Assuming rain stays away, Pak needs to get WI out atleast by Tea today. If they are able to do that they will have around 100 runs lead and then will have to go all out post tea session and ideally need to take the lead to 225 or so by then. After playing half a session in the morning of day 5 should declare and hope bowlers can take the wickets.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I agree, the major wicket is going to be Jermaine Blackwood, though I think that Jason Holder will also cause some problems if we don't get him out early.

My argument for Dahani's inclusion is quite simple: Faheem and Abbas have almost identical bowling styles. In any good test match team, you need people who have a wider array of skills that can be exploited at different facets of the game.

People will obviously criticize me for pushing for Dahani's inclusion instead of Naseem's, but the fact of the matter is that because Dahani has more height, he will be more successful than his counterpart in Naseem.

The type of bowler we are missing on our test team is an enforcer, someone who comes in and bowls to batsman at their bodies and takes advantage of the old ball.

To me, Abbas offers nothing with the ball, which is quite evident considering that Faheem has taken more wickets than him this series despite having the added responsibility to bat as well.
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Yes, very good point about Holder as well. That guy is just a brilliant all round cricketer in my view.

Your point about Dahani is logical and honestly can't say i disagree with anything you've said above. I wouldn't push for Naseem just given he's been out of form and really think he's a bit clueless at times.

Regarding Abbas he's excellent for those first spell overs with the new ball and then he just becomes instantly innocuous when that ball gets old, Faheem on the other hand will give you something either when the ball is new or old.

I made too much of Abbas's recent county form and his experience with the Dukes, but looking at the calibre of batsmen he's got out they were pretty ordinary players and not someone like a Blackwood or Kraigg or even Holder for that matter. The M. Waseem haters can say what they want but he was right in dropping Abbas.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I agree, the major wicket is going to be Jermaine Blackwood, though I think that Jason Holder will also cause some problems if we don't get him out early.

My argument for Dahani's inclusion is quite simple: Faheem and Abbas have almost identical bowling styles. In any good test match team, you need people who have a wider array of skills that can be exploited at different facets of the game.

People will obviously criticize me for pushing for Dahani's inclusion instead of Naseem's, but the fact of the matter is that because Dahani has more height, he will be more successful than his counterpart in Naseem.

The type of bowler we are missing on our test team is an enforcer, someone who comes in and bowls to batsman at their bodies and takes advantage of the old ball.

To me, Abbas offers nothing with the ball, which is quite evident considering that Faheem has taken more wickets than him this series despite having the added responsibility to bat as well.
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Valid points regarding Abbas and I shared similar sentiments in by suggested team for this test. Abbas' skills with the ball are undeniable but, can he deliver at international level with his current pace in different conditions is the worry. If he would have been the same Abbas as 2018 with bowling around and above 130 kph he will possible one of the first names on team sheet however, I dont think currently he is the bowler who can snatch wickets out of the opposition's hand especially on no assistive surfaces. His effectiveness goes down big time with the older ball

Based upon form and confidence behind him I would have debuted Dahani in this series. He is selected possibly a season earlier than my liking but, now as he is in the squad I think so he should have been given a debut. I personally think if Naseem can get few of his issue correct and developed he can be a really good prospect but, in this series I would naturally have been more inclined towards Dahani.
 
Waqar Younis - The control, that's been most impressive (on Pakistan's bowling in the series). I thought both teams have exploited the conditions here quite well. Both are the future for international cricket (On Shaheen Afridi and Jayden Seales), they're still learning the art of picking wickets, but it's nice to see both of them blossoming. Would like to see them doing well in the future. Every session is important, the first session will be crucial, early breakthroughs for us will be important. Looking at their batting line-up, they're vulnerable and have some issues. We'll give our best shot, we have the runs on the board. We'll have to look to take early wickets, bowl them out, bat again and then put them for the final innings. We have seen what happened in the Lord's Test, that's the beauty of Test cricket. It's a shame about what happened (yesterday). This venue has been famous for some great cricket and great results. It was a shame as to what happened and I hope it doesn't repeat once again.
 
WI bat till number 10. It's going to be a hard toil for Pakistani bowlers. Need at least 2 wickets in the first hour.
 
Another 5 kilometres of speed will make Mohammed Abass a lethal bowler That slight lack of pace means, that batsman has a tiny bit more time to adjust. The problem is he may not be able to generate that extra 5 kilometres. He has everything else to be a top bowler.
 
shariqnoor said:
WI bat till number 10. It's going to be a hard toil for Pakistani bowlers. Need at least 2 wickets in the first hour.
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Agree Pakistan will struggle to bowl them all out early enough, they have lots of capable batsmen even though only few are good.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Yes, very good point about Holder as well. That guy is just a brilliant all round cricketer in my view.

Your point about Dahani is logical and honestly can't say i disagree with anything you've said above. I wouldn't push for Naseem just given he's been out of form and really think he's a bit clueless at times.

Regarding Abbas he's excellent for those first spell overs with the new ball and then he just becomes instantly innocuous when that ball gets old, Faheem on the other hand will give you something either when the ball is new or old.

I made too much of Abbas's recent county form and his experience with the Dukes, but looking at the calibre of batsmen he's got out they were pretty ordinary players and not someone like a Blackwood or Kraigg or even Holder for that matter. The M. Waseem haters can say what they want but he was right in dropping Abbas.
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I think this series should be the end for Abbas.

He's had ample opportunities to make the best of, and unfortunately, it just seems like he isn't willing to work hard enough on his pace.

You can't bowl at that speed when the ball gets old without the ability to swing the ball.

When Azhar Ali is getting more swing, you know there's a serious problem.
 
Titan24 said:
Valid points regarding Abbas and I shared similar sentiments in by suggested team for this test. Abbas' skills with the ball are undeniable but, can he deliver at international level with his current pace in different conditions is the worry. If he would have been the same Abbas as 2018 with bowling around and above 130 kph he will possible one of the first names on team sheet however, I dont think currently he is the bowler who can snatch wickets out of the opposition's hand especially on no assistive surfaces. His effectiveness goes down big time with the older ball

Based upon form and confidence behind him I would have debuted Dahani in this series. He is selected possibly a season earlier than my liking but, now as he is in the squad I think so he should have been given a debut. I personally think if Naseem can get few of his issue correct and developed he can be a really good prospect but, in this series I would naturally have been more inclined towards Dahani.
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I agree, Abbas needs to go.

Irfanullah Shah or Shahnawaz Dahani should get an opportunity.
 
Hasan Ali needs to do what he does with the Kookaburra.

He needs to get it to jag inward towards the pads.

His outswing has improved, but I think these West Indies batsmen would find it harder when the ball is coming back towards their pads and the stumps.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I think this series should be the end for Abbas.

He's had ample opportunities to make the best of, and unfortunately, it just seems like he isn't willing to work hard enough on his pace.

You can't bowl at that speed when the ball gets old without the ability to swing the ball.

When Azhar Ali is getting more swing, you know there's a serious problem.
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Azhar Ali or Hassan Ali?

I think this was the problem we don't acknowledge M. Waseem's point of keeping Abbas out and i think if Abbas gets dropped come Bangladesh series, it'll be a "see, see what did i tell you about Abbas" moment from Waseem.

I'm so glad we have a selector who has a good understanding of domestic cricket.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Azhar Ali or Hassan Ali?

I think this was the problem we don't acknowledge M. Waseem's point of keeping Abbas out and i think if Abbas gets dropped come Bangladesh series, it'll be a "see, see what did i tell you about Abbas" moment from Waseem.

I'm so glad we have a selector who has a good understanding of domestic cricket.
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I mean Azhar Ali when I wrote it.

I'd back Shan Masood to get more swing than Abbas.

He has nothing apart from seam movement that goes away after his first spell.
 
That was a great over from Hassan. So unlucky.
 
Interesting fact

Pakistan have made 12 fielding reviews under Babar Azam's captaincy in Tests, and have lost 11 of them (0 umpire's calls). Only one review has been upheld.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I mean Azhar Ali when I wrote it.

I'd back Shan Masood to get more swing than Abbas.

He has nothing apart from seam movement that goes away after his first spell.
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Yep, i'm looking to trial Shanawaz in the next series otherwise if Abbas does well then he gets trialed again for more series to come.
 
Pakistan would be looking to get a lead of at least 120 - 130 runs lead here , and then bat fast and set them a target of around 280 runs
 
Game good as Over for pak. Windies scoring runs freely. Pak gna have to bat again. That to will take time out. Will need to set windies 330ish
 
I always misread this players name as Nikammah Bonner. Not surprisingly every time I have seen him play, he has played like one, one of his marginally better innings so far :)
 
I think runs is what really matters here, the more WI get the easier for them on last day , because the more runs they get here , the more Pakistan will have to bat in the second innings.
 
Pakistan went into this series with a very casual over confident attitude and will sadly deservedly end up losing 1-0.
 
Babar does not make bowling changes quick enough, allowing batsme to settle down against pair of bowlers. Atleast change one bowler quicker, and mix it up with spin on one end.
 
Pakistan need to restrict WI under 200 then set a target around 240 .
 
Savak said:
Pakistan went into this series with a very casual over confident attitude and will sadly deservedly end up losing 1-0.
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I think the problem is the selection of Abbas and how we were messed about yesterday with the unnecessary delay.
 
Hasan hasn't performed well at all in this series. Why not you bowl spinner??!! Bad captaincy
 
Abbas addressing Rizwan as “aap” is that a cultural thing? I would expect it’s more casual among team mates
 
Abbas would be unplayable if he adds 15kmph to his bowling but then maybe won’t be able to get that kind of movement at 140+ unless you are Steyn, Anderson
 
To avoid follow on, West Indies have to get within 150 runs of Pakistan total since one day was washed out. Is that correct?
 
After drink break most of the time partnership were broken so let's see what pakistan can do here
 
Returns coming in for Abbas after some good bowling today. 2 in 2
 
Bowlers need to maintain this intensity and line length. Holder wicket key here.
 
Excellent captaincy by Babar bringing both Abbas and shaheen back in the attack
 
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