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did u apologise on behalf of ur party for supporting Bajwas extention?
More than, we have and will live with the regret until our dying days.
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did u apologise on behalf of ur party for supporting Bajwas extention?
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More than, we have and will live with the regret until our dying days.
no point wasting time. You will find reasons to hate them no matter what i say.
I dont have issues who people vote for, as i believe in democracy, its you and your cult that have issues why so and so backs so and so party
did you apologies?
did you apologies?
I'm sorry but I think you've misunderstood. This is my attempt at an intellectual discussion. Come on this thread and explain why you support them. Surely it must be because if their capability? And ideology?
My friend calling me a cultist is hollow if you can't defend your own party.
If your telling me you can even give us some grains of success then I'm not the cult follower..
Have you seen my posts. Read them and you will see how much I regret the thugs that we call our army.
have you apologised?
We have more than apologised for the error of judgement. Our people have paid with their lives. But your thugs made a deal with the same thug, he promised Billo the PMship so when are you going to apologise for telling everyone that it wasn't a military coup, when Bajwa, Nani, Latif said it was. So when you apologising for the attack on the SC these weeks and the abrogation of the constitution. When are you apologising for calling Arshad Sharif a coward, a man more brave than generations like your ilk.
Explained it many times, and Black zero has defended the party well, which would be a repeat of what he has said.
Someone may provide you link to that PPP thread.
Political discussion is a time waste. No opinions changing, just two people trying hard to show themselves as righteous where one of them will end up stopping the discussion
This is unacceptable. I was on that thread and he explained nothing. He was discredited. Stop running off and tell me what they have done in Sindh. Why is it so hard for you to just list their achievements. We can then discuss them on merit. That's how these debates work. For example the Indian troll mammoo used to criticise the kp govt all the time and we were perfectly happy to discuss his criticisms on merit. Why can't you for example say "the PPP have built x number of schools Revamped the police and reduced poverty?" E en noonies can claim ganja built roads and Infrastructure in lahore. Why is it always so hard for you to defend your party?
Perhaps its because you can't? And your just a bhutto worshipper who will blindly follow these mad people like a sheep? Or are you someone with some shame or ghairat??
This is unacceptable. I was on that thread and he explained nothing. He was discredited. Stop running off and tell me what they have done in Sindh. Why is it so hard for you to just list their achievements. We can then discuss them on merit. That's how these debates work. For example the Indian troll mammoo used to criticise the kp govt all the time and we were perfectly happy to discuss his criticisms on merit. Why can't you for example say "the PPP have built x number of schools Revamped the police and reduced poverty?" E en noonies can claim ganja built roads and Infrastructure in lahore. Why is it always so hard for you to defend your party?
Perhaps its because you can't? And your just a bhutto worshipper who will blindly follow these mad people like a sheep? Or are you someone with some shame or ghairat??
Could you share that thread link?
It's your favourite thread find it yourself. Present your case without black zero. And i have lived in Pakistan during some of its turmoil. My cousin is or was an mp. My family has had links with the Muslim league since the 40's.i know how things work.
yeh yeh the typical my cousin, my family.
tell us about yourself, not what you hear on the basis of heresay.
Present what case? not wasting my time he documented everything well and was one of the few posters that had lived his life in the damn country and knew what he was talking about.
You post about roads, while not knowing the actual job of an mna or mpa....
So you consider defending your own party as “wasting your time”. I’m sure what you really mean to say is, “I can’t defend the party because they’ve really done nothing, but I can tell you what they focus on. Also, I don’t really support the party, I support the ideology. An ideology that I’m aware my party doesn’t practice but hey Bhutto zinda hai”.
Also, can someone please share the link of the infamous Blackzero??? I fear that after 5 years we’ll be asking [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] the same question and he’ll respond by mentioning BlackZero’s posts from god knows when.
Thank you for apologising that you were wrong
Development isn't one of PPP's objectives. PPP's purpose is to stay in power for as long as possible, if they get voted out they'll just spend a decade or so robbing Sindh until they have another opportunity to grab power. A dynasty party full of corrupt opportunists, it doesn't get better than that.
We shouldn't be talking about their achievements(or the lack there of) because that's not their purpose. If Development was a priority for this party they wouldn't still be screaming "Bhutto zinda hai" like idiots and instead they'd talk about things that are a million times more important like education, poverty, hunger etc.
So you consider defending your own party as “wasting your time”. I’m sure what you really mean to say is, “I can’t defend the party because they’ve really done nothing, but I can tell you what they focus on. Also, I don’t really support the party, I support the ideology. An ideology that I’m aware my party doesn’t practice but hey Bhutto zinda hai”.
Also, can someone please share the link of the infamous Blackzero??? I fear that after 5 years we’ll be asking [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] the same question and he’ll respond by mentioning BlackZero’s posts from god knows when.
Read abit of our history and you will know its the only party that was able to bring Pakistan back from hyper inflation when things had gone south after the transfer of power.
There only mistake during 2008-2013 time was they couldn't find Benazir's killers, which is why they lost the support of PPP loyalists, and they couldn't solve the load shedding issue, which is why they lost the support of the general population.
but waste of time having this discussion as you will follow what your leader preaches... You guys make Oshoo look small
Development isn't one of PPP's objectives. PPP's purpose is to stay in power for as long as possible, if they get voted out they'll just spend a decade or so robbing Sindh until they have another opportunity to grab power. A dynasty party full of corrupt opportunists, it doesn't get better than that.
We shouldn't be talking about their achievements(or the lack there of) because that's not their purpose. If Development was a priority for this party they wouldn't still be screaming "Bhutto zinda hai" like idiots and instead they'd talk about things that are a million times more important like education, poverty, hunger etc.
yeh yeh the typical my cousin, my family.
tell us about yourself, not what you hear on the basis of heresay.
Present what case? not wasting my time he documented everything well and was one of the few posters that had lived his life in the damn country and knew what he was talking about.
You post about roads, while not knowing the actual job of an mna or mpa....
It’s not a waste of time, you have an opportunity to prove us how much work your party has done but instead you keep referring to blackzero who most posters have probably not heard of.
I’m sorry but ZAB or whoever it was in the past that “saved Pakistan from hyper inflation” are no longer leading the party, the party is being run by Bilawal Zardari, what has the party achieved since he became the leader of the party?
There’s no way you go to a polling station to vote for PPP because they saved Pakistan from hyper inflation 20-30 years ago.
The party has a reputation of protecting murderers, why hasn’t that stopped the pseudo -liberals from voting for PPP?
another rubbish post from another person who has no idea of the parties of Pakistan and their ideology.
What ideology? Corruption?
Why did PPP instantly join hands with their decades-long rivals PMLN? If they have values and an ideology they would've stayed independent and not become slaves of PMLN. PPP's sole purpose is to obtain power no matter the cost.
The cost of their most recent assault on Pakistan was the Pakistani economy.
At least PMLN can argue that they have achieved some minuscule achievements in their decades-long reign, PPP on the other hand can only claim to have had a net negative effect on Pakistan.
because they know how to run the parliament. PTI had joined hands with MQM.. Its not about power its about knowing how to run the parliament.
PPP doesnt even need power, Zardari is the establishment, and thats by wining only one province. Imran can only be the establishments puppet even by winning two provinces but never be good enough to be part of the establishment. Basically he is Zardaris puppet.
Zardari is a criminal and should be sent to jail while the PPP should be disbanded as traitors.
i agree, but than again, if same PPP members join PTI, you guys will happily accept them and call it a rebirth once they join the Cult.
FIrdous Ashiq Awan says hi.
They do but they soon realise that the PTI won't bend to their will, they have to bend to our ideology. Take the example of Nadeem Afzal Chan. He joined and then realised PTI is strongly based in ideology of non corruption and then left. On the other hand you can't name a single person in the PPP today that is there for ideological reasons. AA is there in person but supports IK on most issues because he has realised that this PPP is a party of thieves and murderers and is against the constitution which they created
1. PTI has no ideology. Non corruption is not an ideology for gods sakes
2. You really think Firdous Ashiq Awan follows this ideology? PTI needed her because she is an electable, and she needed PTI because as she is getting old, she wants to stay in power. This women is known for nepotism, she used to call senior beurecrautes and offer them Rs. 50K per person to grade 21 officers if her people were given jobs by their departments.
1. PTI has no ideology. Non corruption is not an ideology for gods sakes
2. You really think Firdous Ashiq Awan follows this ideology? PTI needed her because she is an electable, and she needed PTI because as she is getting old, she wants to stay in power. This women is known for nepotism, she used to call senior beurecrautes and offer them Rs. 50K per person to grade 21 officers if her people were given jobs by their departments.
1. PTI has no ideology. Non corruption is not an ideology for gods sakes
2. You really think Firdous Ashiq Awan follows this ideology? PTI needed her because she is an electable, and she needed PTI because as she is getting old, she wants to stay in power. This women is known for nepotism, she used to call senior beurecrautes and offer them Rs. 50K per person to grade 21 officers if her people were given jobs by their departments.
Why did the PPP oppose the anti rape laws. Did they fear the likes of AZ and Gabol would be castrated. Its part of the PPP DNA and that's why they opposed the legislation
I can have this discussion with a person who is mature enough. Not with a person who will is a blind follower of someone, who thinks every word he says is gospel.
Anti rape laws were just anti rape laws by name, rape doesnt get eliminated by burning castrating someones penis. The reason why chemical castration or even hanging are opposed is not because the guilty would be charged for it, but these laws can be misused and an innocent person can also face such consequences.
Like i said, PPP knows bills better, and in parliament you need proper discussion for passing bills, not have a leader with a blind group of sheep who will follow every orders of his blindl.
To eliminate rape, you need to finish segregation and allow genders to interact and socialize properly, but any ways this is a topic for some other thread, and you will only argue what your leader says cause you cant think for yourself.
As expected after preaching PPPs amazing ideology when it comes to actually define and defend it their fans resort to deflection and ad hominem attacks.
No surprises though, PPP itself is an oxymoron. A party that pretends to be liberal and for the people yet is taken over by feudal lords, murderers, rapists and criminals. The people whose party they pretend to be for continue to be oppressed and enslaved. No wonder they were voted out from every province and are limited to rural and underdeveloped areas of Sindh where they use corruption and ethnic divides to stay in power.
A "progressive facade" as one of the shared articles termed them - quite apt.
1. PTI has no ideology. Non corruption is not an ideology for gods sakes
2. You really think Firdous Ashiq Awan follows this ideology? PTI needed her because she is an electable, and she needed PTI because as she is getting old, she wants to stay in power. This women is known for nepotism, she used to call senior beurecrautes and offer them Rs. 50K per person to grade 21 officers if her people were given jobs by their departments.
because they know how to run the parliament. PTI had joined hands with MQM.. Its not about power its about knowing how to run the parliament.
PPP doesnt even need power, Zardari is the establishment, and thats by wining only one province. Imran can only be the establishments puppet even by winning two provinces but never be good enough to be part of the establishment. Basically he is Zardaris puppet.
Read abit of our history and you will know its the only party that was able to bring Pakistan back from hyper inflation when things had gone south after the transfer of power.
There only mistake during 2008-2013 time was they couldn't find Benazir's killers, which is why they lost the support of PPP loyalists, and they couldn't solve the load shedding issue, which is why they lost the support of the general population.
but waste of time having this discussion as you will follow what your leader preaches... You guys make Oshoo look small
Zardari is nothing more than an opportunist. He was handed a ready-made party, all he did was strike deals and use the Bhutto name. Zardari might be the establishment for Bilawal and Sindh but the same isn't true for the rest of Pakistan.
Make no mistake PPP isn't in charge, PMLN has all the power in PDM. The only reason PPP is a part of PDM is that it's necessary for their survival.
Modern PMLN and PPP have the same "morals" thus it makes it easy for PPP to put their future in the hands of PMLN. They can't attack each other even if they wanted to because they are both corrupt.
PPP is only taking its revenge against PMLN. Zardari is destroying their party from inside now. To destroy PMLN they have again decided to play the politics of survivability and not rise on the occasion just yet. Zardari has alot of issues and enmity with the Shareefs. The Shareefs had Zardari's tongue cut and made him rot in jail and insulted his wife everywhere.
PPP is not in PDM for survival, that is where you wrong.
PMLN is made up of businessman, especially Punjabi businessman. You sit with these guys, they will tell you about business, agriculture and how you can makes profits in these areas, they will talk about infrastructure, road networks etc. These guys are expert in this. However, PMLN businessman are street-smart but not educated. A lot of these guys became politicians through by business unions or association politics.
This is where PPP are experts. @garib Aadmi below has written it well. When it comes to federal policies like making your foreign policy or domestic policy, PPP knows how to get a bill written, have its discussion and than get is passed through the Parliament instead of getting the President to write up an ordinance.
PPP's failure in Sindh has always been economic development, as that's an area where they lack behind. Policy making is great, but they are not able to do much economic development, and thus there is massively lack of infrastructure in Sindh.
Currently, the PDM is made as such that, PPP took advantage of the situation. Nawaz is not in the country, Shebaz is a great administrator who is more of a guy who can do economic development and not someone that can work in Parliament. PPP knows how the parliament works, but they never became the face of parliament. The face was Shebaz Shareef as opposition leader. This was done because Imran Khan would had shooked hands with Bilalwal as opposition leader, but Imran Khan would never shake hands with Shebaz Shareef, and thats where Zardari took advantage of this.
PMLN is the face of PDM, because every sane person in Pakistan knew in 2021 that the country was going towards bankruptcy either way. This is why once Imran was removed, Shebaz was made the face of PDM and PPP kept the external ministries for themselves. Shebaz also got happy that he would be PM, as he would never get this opportunity, and they also convinced Nawaz, from who Shebaz got his blessings.
The fall out of the economy would be on PMLN now, PTI got saved here. PMLN always used to chest thump on the fact that they could do economic development better than anyone. And thats is true, but economic development is needed when inflation is low and you need more development. Pakistan didn't need economic development, it needed deflationary policies to limit the spending of money so that we wouldn't reach hyper inflation, and thats where PMLN is clueless (aswell as PTI), because as i said ealier, PMLN are uunpar businessman. Good for economic development, but terrible for economic policy making. Unpar people will insult economic theories and be the biggest problem for organizations like IMF as they make policies based on economic theory and not aye bye shyain.
PPP will come out victorious from this mess, but at a very big price. PPP could had done two things, they could had stepped up now and saved the economy, or they could had sat back let the economy go bad and let PMLN face its backlash, thus eliminating PMLN has a future party, just like how MQM has been eliminated from politics.
Anyways, PPP played politics with the country from 2022 to 2023. They played some great politics, very shrewd and helped the party survived. But while the party survived, they did not benefit Pakistan during this period and their selfish acts did damage to the Pakistani people. And if anyone is able to read between these lines like I have, they would see that PPP of today is way off from PPP of Bhutto. Atleast Bhutto was looking after the nation, PPP being wise politicians need a leader that looks after its people aswell.
In this case, Bilalwal has failed to look after the people.
I will be honest, with Imran at head, and a party like PPP on its back, the country could do great.
But both parties are like a wrong marriage, its like that movie Kabhi alvida na kehna. Imran might care for the people, but he has a party that is clueless in running the parliament, while PPP doesnt seem to care about the people but still is the only party that are expert in running the parliament.
Thanks for the detailed response. I can't respond to everything because that would take too long but I'll try to respond to a few points you've raised.
Unlike PMLN PPP doesn't have a large enough support base to be able to win elections on its own, and this is reflected by the positions in PDM. All the top spots have been taken by PMLN because they know that they have the most leverage, PPP understands this too which is why they are satisfied with their lower-level status in PDM.
Completely agree with this part. PMLN is mostly filled with illiterate people whose capacity is developing roads. I say this because I've had first-hand experiences with these types of people. They couldn't care less about the public.
Unfortunately, PMLN's top leadership is just a scaled-up version of the people I just mentioned.
So the excuse for Sindh's lack of development is PPP's inability to do any meaningful economic development. Sounds like Sindh's sole problem is PPP according to what you have written. There's no way PPP can justify the state Sindh is in after ruling it for more than 25 years.
I thought the myth of Shehbaz being a competent administrator was busted but apparently not.
PPP would never shake hands with PTI because they know that if PTI gets too strong it will go after the top leadership of both PPP and PMLN. PTI can afford to make alliances with smaller parties' but they can't afford to do the same with the big 2, PMLN and PPP. Imran Khan's core support base is made up of people that despise both these parties. It would be political suicide for PTI if they made an alliance with anyone of them.
PPP is hoping for what you've written to happen. It's obvious that PPP is trying to alienate itself from PDM but the damage is already done. PDM was made on the premise that both PPP and PMLN have decades of experience and that they will be able to improve Pakistan's economic condition. Of course, most people still hated it when PDM took over without an election. I remember my uncle in Lahore who was a PMLN supporter being super annoyed that PMLN joined hands with PPP. I've met quite a lot of PPP and PMLN supporters that don't like the fact these parties have merged.
That is an added annoyance people are feeling.
Sorry but there's no chance PPP can save the economy. It can't even run Sindh properly and you think they can run the entire country in a time of crisis like this? Been there done that.
So not only is PPP incompetent when it comes to economic development but they also don't care about the general public? If that's the case why do you support this party? Is it because of PPP's historical image? Surely your only reason for supporting PPP can't be because they play good politics, that benefits no one other than PPP itself.
I would not support PTI if it allied with either PMLN or PPP. I don't think PDM provides anything to this country. Since its inception, all they have done is look out for their own survival.
Pakistan does not need these types of political parties. If PPP and PMLN had an ideology they would've never allied with each other. Their joining together shows that they are the same. The only ideological thing they seem to agree on is survival at all costs.
PPP can't back out because just like PMLN it needs PDM. If PTI comes back you think they are going to go easy on PDM? No, mass arrests are to be expected given what PDM has done in its tenure. As Rana Sanaullah said, "Either PTI survives or we do".
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Was watching this heart breaking video yesterday. As soon as I saw it was Sindh I automatically assumed PPP must be involved and lo an behold around 11:30 mark:
"The department of labor in Sindh can't prove there is debt bondage at these kilns because there are no records that the families actually work there. But experts say kiln owners often have government ties, which makes it easier to escape enforcement".
How shameful must it be to support PPP knowing every oppression and ailment that the residents of their province face is due to their own party? It isn't just one area where a mafia with deep pockets and connections has taken over that the government is struggling with. It's the same story whether it's construction, water, energy, healthcare, education.
When it comes to Sindh, PPP IS the mafia.
Pin drop silence from our resident bhutto supporter.
I saw this too. It really is heartbreaking and deserves its own thread
I saw this too. It really is heartbreaking and deserves its own thread
According to Haider Mehdi, Zardari was boasting at a private event with his friends that Elections will only take place when PDM wants and he is guaranteeing IK will not be alive to take part in them because he has made arrangements to have him taken out. Ghulam Chaudhry from ARY a few days ago stated that the PDM and Pakistani millitary had made arrangements to have some special guns with bullets imported into Pakistan which can penetrate bullet proof armour, vests.
This Mafia knows full well that the people of this country have never really violently stood up for their rights and are now desperately prepared to gamble that in the event of IK's successful assasination, the rangers, police, millitary will be able to quel any angry reaction from the masses
PPP postpones Sindh-wide protest for same-day polls
Elections delayed as "show of restraint" says Nisar Khuhro
Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Sindh President Nisar Khuhro announced Monday that a province-wide protest — demanding that elections for the national and provincial assemblies be held on the same day — scheduled for April 25 (tomorrow) has been postponed as a “show of restraint".
All institutions, including the judiciary, ought to pay heed to the demands of the people, Khuhro said in a statement.
He reiterated his demand that elections be held in the country simultaneously and said: “If the people's voice is not heard, a date of protest will be announced again.”
The PPP leader further maintained: “Pakistan cannot afford separate elections.”
He added that separate elections would destroy Pakistan's political system and there would “always be a question mark on their transparency”.
“After the completion of the five-year term of the assemblies, single-day elections alone can strengthen the political system,” he said.
Yesterday, the PPP announced that it would hold a protest across the province on April 25 to demand elections across the country on the same day.
"Sindh doesn't accept the decision to hold polls [to provincial and national assemblies] separately except for the same day," he said.
Khuhro said that the elections should be conducted simultaneously under the Election Act.
“Separate elections will be equivalent to dividing the country into two parts,” he added.
Election enigma
The call for the protest came amid the existing uncertainty regarding the date of the polls as the ruling coalition demands elections on the same day across the country while the Supreme Court has ordered snap polls to be conducted in Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP).
The top court last week — in the hearing of multiple petitions requesting that elections be held simultaneously — directed the opposition political parties to immediately thrash out a consensus on the date of elections.
The PPP and Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) shared their desire to sit with the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) and try to find a solution on the election date via a dialogue. However, Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, which is a part of the ruling alliance, has refused to make any compromise as far as PTI is concerned.
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https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/1063592-ppp-postponses-sindh-wide-for-same-day-polls
What he meant to say is that 25000 teachers are ghost teachers and share their salary with ppp criminals so Bilawal can have long holidaysKarachi: It has been revealed that more than 25,000 teachers were absent from government schools this year. Caretaker Education Minister Rana Hussain has said that strict action will be taken against these teachers.
According to the details, DG Monitoring has prepared a report on teachers absent from government schools, in which 25 thousand 395 teachers have been absent from government schools this year.
The report stated that there are 4 thousand 679 teachers who were sitting at home receiving salaries, 8 thousand 409 teachers were permanently absent while 6 thousand 33 teachers took two holidays in a week.
According to the report, there are 6 thousand 274 teachers who took a holiday every week, the DG Monitoring of the Education Department has prepared a report of the teachers and sent it to the Education Minister.
Caretaker Education Minister Rana Hussain said that strict action will be taken against these teachers. A warning will be issued.
Source: ARY
Well he thought he was until, his son realised that they had been used and there was no PMship coming. But these thugs sell themselves at the drop of a hat and no doubt a couple of cases being reopened will focus their minds and they will start to polish the boots againI thought Zardari was part of the establishment
Don’t give into the drama , they are all part of the Establishment , this fake drama is to win elections within limits allowed by the Super Boss.Well he thought he was until, his son realised that they had been used and there was no PMship coming. But these thugs sell themselves at the drop of a hat and no doubt a couple of cases being reopened will focus their minds and they will start to polish the boots again
But there isn't one establishment. Remember criminals don't have permanent alliances, they sell themselves to whoever can pay the highest amount.Don’t give into the drama , they are all part of the Establishment , this fake drama is to win elections within limits allowed by the Super Boss.
There is only one Establishment just multiple bishops that fight each other when and where required..But there isn't one establishment. Remember criminals don't have permanent alliances, they sell themselves to whoever can pay the highest amount.