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Interesting thoughts on a topic that has been talked about a lot but has not been addressed.

Why aren't Asian cricketers in the UK making it to the highest level?

The situation in Pakistan is WORSE as compared to England and yet no even talks about it.

"Why are there no non-Muslim cricketer active in Pakistan ?

Forget the national team, there isn't even one non-Muslim cricketer in the 12 (6 first XI + 6 second XI) provincial teams, yet no one even raises this question. The media (print + digital) in Pakistan doesn't pay a heed to this major lapse, they are so envious of Wasim Khan's salary that they can't see beyond it.
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] can you please raise this question witj the higher mangament of PCB (Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan, Nadeem Khan) and ask about what they are planning to do to include the minorities in Pakistan.

Demographics of Pakistan:-
(Source:- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Minorities_in_Pakistan )
In 2012, according to the Government of Pakistan's National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA), the population of officially registered religious minorities in Pakistan was as follows:[19]

Hindus: 1,414,527
Christians: 1,270,051
Ahmadis: 125,681
Baha'is: 33,734
Sikhs: 6,146
Parsis: 4,020
Buddhists: 1,492
Others: 66,898

There must be a few good cricketers in such a huge population comprising of minorities.
 
The situation in Pakistan is WORSE as compared to England and yet no even talks about it.

"Why are there no non-Muslim cricketer active in Pakistan ?

Forget the national team, there isn't even one non-Muslim cricketer in the 12 (6 first XI + 6 second XI) provincial teams, yet no one even raises this question. The media (print + digital) in Pakistan doesn't pay a heed to this major lapse, they are so envious of Wasim Khan's salary that they can't see beyond it.

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] can you please raise this question witj the higher mangament of PCB (Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan, Nadeem Khan) and ask about what they are planning to do to include the minorities in Pakistan.

Demographics of Pakistan:-
(Source:- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Minorities_in_Pakistan )
In 2012, according to the Government of Pakistan's National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA), the population of officially registered religious minorities in Pakistan was as follows:[19]

Hindus: 1,414,527
Christians: 1,270,051
Ahmadis: 125,681
Baha'is: 33,734
Sikhs: 6,146
Parsis: 4,020
Buddhists: 1,492
Others: 66,898

There must be a few good cricketers in such a huge population comprising of minorities.

Lol the proportion of south Asians in England compared to the proportion of minorities in Pakistan can’t be compared. Add the fact that a large no of south Asians are really into cricket in the uk , makes your comments ridiculous.
 
Tough question but possibly belongs to the wider question of minority representation in Pakistan.
 
I raised this same question once and was told that hindus mostly reside in Sindh region where cricket is not famous. Thus no hindu players represent Pakistan. Not sure about other minorities.
 
Don’t need the closet Ahmadis representing Pakistan. They should be allowed to represent Pakistan without having to hide their faith. What’s the point when Ahmadis are speculating about people possibly belonging to their community?
 
The situation in Pakistan is WORSE as compared to England and yet no even talks about it.

"Why are there no non-Muslim cricketer active in Pakistan ?

Forget the national team, there isn't even one non-Muslim cricketer in the 12 (6 first XI + 6 second XI) provincial teams, yet no one even raises this question. The media (print + digital) in Pakistan doesn't pay a heed to this major lapse, they are so envious of Wasim Khan's salary that they can't see beyond it.

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] can you please raise this question witj the higher mangament of PCB (Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan, Nadeem Khan) and ask about what they are planning to do to include the minorities in Pakistan.

Demographics of Pakistan:-
(Source:- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Minorities_in_Pakistan )
In 2012, according to the Government of Pakistan's National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA), the population of officially registered religious minorities in Pakistan was as follows:[19]

Hindus: 1,414,527
Christians: 1,270,051
Ahmadis: 125,681
Baha'is: 33,734
Sikhs: 6,146
Parsis: 4,020
Buddhists: 1,492
Others: 66,898

There must be a few good cricketers in such a huge population comprising of minorities.

Considering the total population is above 230mn, the non Muslim percentage is around 1.2~1.3; by that note, it’s really difficult for minorities to make the highest level, unless there is some quota applied. Still, in last 20 years Youhana & Kaneria did make the squad and could have a longer career. I think, there was an Ahmadi cricketer playing for PAK in 1975 WC and he was hard done by for sure. I see few non Muslim names and n domestic circuits but their performance is not note worthy to make it to national level without a quota. Only Ahmadia in recent days with some notable numbers in Sadaf, who did get a National call but didn’t get any game.
 
There was a Sikh guy training at the NCA not so long ago.

But things have gone quiet about him recently.
 
The question is: is there any discrimination involved in non-Muslims not coming up or is it just the fact that there aren't many getting into cricket and those that are, aren't good at the moment?

My feeling is there isn't systemic discrimination but really, it is for people closer to grass roots cricket to tell.
 
Why are we so fixated on race/religion? Disparity does not mean discrimination.

In this century we've had 2 non Muslim cricketers in the national team, that's pretty good for a country that's what? 99% Muslim?
 
There was a Sikh guy training at the NCA not so long ago.

But things have gone quiet about him recently.

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Why are we so fixated on race/religion? Disparity does not mean discrimination.

In this century we've had 2 non Muslim cricketers in the national team, that's pretty good for a country that's what? 99% Muslim?

I have to agree. Only talented players should represent a country at the highest level. Race, religion, caste should never be the barometer for selection.
 
I have to agree. Only talented players should represent a country at the highest level. Race, religion, caste should never be the barometer for selection.

This modern view of looking at everything through the lens of race, or sex, or religion is very toxic. There will always be randomness in the world, it doesn't mean there's discrimination.
 
There was a Sikh guy training at the NCA not so long ago.

But things have gone quiet about him recently.

You must be talking about Mahinder Pal Singh (right handed fast-medium) from Nankana Sahib.
He has been selected by Lahore Qalandars in Qalandars ke Sikandars program(2020).
The link of the video confirming this news:-
https://youtu.be/qsP_qmQfAbo

I will be keeping an eye on his development for sure.

If possible [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] please arrange an interview with him for the talent spotter section on PP.
 
Considering the total population is above 230mn, the non Muslim percentage is around 1.2~1.3; by that note, it’s really difficult for minorities to make the highest level, unless there is some quota applied. Still, in last 20 years Youhana & Kaneria did make the squad and could have a longer career. I think, there was an Ahmadi cricketer playing for PAK in 1975 WC and he was hard done by for sure. I see few non Muslim names and n domestic circuits but their performance is not note worthy to make it to national level without a quota. Only Ahmadia in recent days with some notable numbers in Sadaf, who did get a National call but didn’t get any game.

I get your point but i am not talking about just the national team, none of the provincial teams be it the first or the second squad have even a single player from the minorty community. Cricket is the number one sport in the subcontinent, there must be boys/girls in the minorty community willing to play and try their luck but what is preventing them from taking up the sport at the professional level?
Have the PCB made cricket an unrealistic, distant dream for them or are they scared to play with or against the majority community?
How are they taking up the Danish Kaneria ban or Yousuf's conversion to Islam?
Do they still believe that Danish was trapped or Yousuf was forced to convert?
Have the PCB tried to explain them that they are fair and selections are only based on performance?

These are relevant questions from the point of a non Pakistani like me whose connnection with Pakistan is cricket. When i look at India and Bangladesh there are active cricketers from their minorities at the National level (Sri Lanka had Md Shamaz in their u19 squad) yet Pakistan has not even a single one even in their domestic set up, this is t something to be proud of.

There might be another Yousuf, Kaneria some where in there but he/she might be hesitant to pursue cricket as a profession. This is where the PCB needs to come on and help their inclusion at the club level and the city cricket associations at the very least. I would expect [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] and [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] to raise this issue with Wasim Khan, if possible, he is one guy who would show interest.

Ending this with the list of non muslims cricketers who had represented Pakistan:-
1 Wallis Mathias.
2 Duncan Sharpe
3 Antao D’Souza
4 Anil Dalpat
5 Sohail Fazal
6 Yousuf Youhana (now Md Yousuf)
7 Danish Kaneria
 
Don’t need the closet Ahmadis representing Pakistan. They should be allowed to represent Pakistan without having to hide their faith. What’s the point when Ahmadis are speculating about people possibly belonging to their community?

Dude if they “come out of the closet” they’ll ruin their careers because of Pakistani culture. It’s difficult. Save your judgment for those not petrified of calling themselves Muslim
 
I think this is a non issue, the percentage of non muslims in pakistan is just too low.

Come on, it's a discussion we definitely need to be having.

I simply cannot buy the claim that there isn't discrimination against non-Muslims in the pathways leading towards high level cricket in Pakistan. I'd also be shocked if these days some Muslim cricketers in India aren't finding their progression blocked too.
 
I get your point but i am not talking about just the national team, none of the provincial teams be it the first or the second squad have even a single player from the minorty community. Cricket is the number one sport in the subcontinent, there must be boys/girls in the minorty community willing to play and try their luck but what is preventing them from taking up the sport at the professional level?
Have the PCB made cricket an unrealistic, distant dream for them or are they scared to play with or against the majority community?
How are they taking up the Danish Kaneria ban or Yousuf's conversion to Islam?
Do they still believe that Danish was trapped or Yousuf was forced to convert?
Have the PCB tried to explain them that they are fair and selections are only based on performance?

These are relevant questions from the point of a non Pakistani like me whose connnection with Pakistan is cricket. When i look at India and Bangladesh there are active cricketers from their minorities at the National level (Sri Lanka had Md Shamaz in their u19 squad) yet Pakistan has not even a single one even in their domestic set up, this is t something to be proud of.

There might be another Yousuf, Kaneria some where in there but he/she might be hesitant to pursue cricket as a profession. This is where the PCB needs to come on and help their inclusion at the club level and the city cricket associations at the very least. I would expect [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] and [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] to raise this issue with Wasim Khan, if possible, he is one guy who would show interest.

Ending this with the list of non muslims cricketers who had represented Pakistan:-
1 Wallis Mathias.
2 Duncan Sharpe
3 Antao D’Souza
4 Anil Dalpat
5 Sohail Fazal
6 Yousuf Youhana (now Md Yousuf)
7 Danish Kaneria


Naseer Malik was an Ahmadi & he was harshly treated. Going by past history, I think, PAKs younger generations are much more open (liberal) in terms of religion/cast, race, language or ethnicity hence the society is more closely bonded than may be till 1980s when Islam was shoved down the throat..... now it’s just an issue of percentage, I believe.
 
its not just about playing for pakistan, i remember about 10 to 15 years ago you had lal kumar, rajesh ramesh, stephen john, and a few other guys around the system.

non muslims make up about 4% of the population (latest estimates), so out of 150 odd professional cricketers 5 or 6 should be minorities if it was in that ratio.

historically this was the case, its only the last 5 or 10 years that have seen the complete disappearance of religious minorities from the cricket set up.
 
its not just about playing for pakistan, i remember about 10 to 15 years ago you had lal kumar, rajesh ramesh, stephen john, and a few other guys around the system.

non muslims make up about 4% of the population (latest estimates), so out of 150 odd professional cricketers 5 or 6 should be minorities if it was in that ratio.

historically this was the case, its only the last 5 or 10 years that have seen the complete disappearance of religious minorities from the cricket set up.

This is the exact issue I am trying to raise.
 
I'm sure there are plenty of non muslims playing domestic cricket in Pakistan.
 
Naseer Malik was an Ahmadi & he was harshly treated. Going by past history, I think, PAKs younger generations are much more open (liberal) in terms of religion/cast, race, language or ethnicity hence the society is more closely bonded than may be till 1980s when Islam was shoved down the throat..... now it’s just an issue of percentage, I believe.

I didn't know about this guy.

His cricinfo record as a bowler is pretty good for him to have played only 3 ODIs. In two of those he was the standout bowler, and in the thirds he chipped in well. This in a team with young Imran Khan, Sarfaraz Nawaz, and also Mushtaq Mohammed. And all abroad.

Even his FC record is very good. Bowling average of 24.87 over 72 games.

However did this guy play on 3 ODIs?

Whatever happened? I don't mean to hijack the thread but would love to know. He died at the age of 49.
 
I didn't know about this guy.

His cricinfo record as a bowler is pretty good for him to have played only 3 ODIs. In two of those he was the standout bowler, and in the thirds he chipped in well. This in a team with young Imran Khan, Sarfaraz Nawaz, and also Mushtaq Mohammed. And all abroad.

Even his FC record is very good. Bowling average of 24.87 over 72 games.

However did this guy play on 3 ODIs?

Whatever happened? I don't mean to hijack the thread but would love to know. He died at the age of 49.

This article mentions him

https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1002085/rabwah-dreams-of-the-green-cap
 
Hardly surprising. Pakistan is not a welcoming place for minorities. Our society needs to change a lot.
 
Minorities like to keep a low profile in Pakistan. And cricket is a high profile sport in the country. In the age of social media, one viral net session can elevate your profile. So it makes sense that there aren’t many players coming from religious minorities in Pakistan.
 
pakistan does have an issue, but india isnt much better imo.

shami not withstanding they have very little religious diversity in their consistent selections, apart from whom i think all of indias consistent selections over the last 5 years (10 odd games a year minimum) have been hindus. i may be wrong if there are sikhs or christians in there with hindu sounding names. for a country with 20 to 25% minorities religious minorities, that isnt great imo.
 
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pakistan does have an issue, but india isnt much better imo.

shami not withstanding they have very little religious diversity in their consistent selections, apart from whom i think all of indias consistent selections over the last 5 years (10 odd games a year minimum) have been hindus. i may be wrong if there are sikhs or christians in there with hindu sounding names. for a country with 20 to 25% minorities religious minorities, that isnt great imo.

“But but but India”- thats probably relebant in a lot of arguments (never a justification or an excuse) but India have had MANY non Hindus in the past 20 years. Top of my head: Harbhajan, Yuvraj, Shami, karo, irfan Pathan, Yusuf Pathan, varun Aaron, some pervez guy. India doesn’t have that problem
 
pakistan does have an issue, but india isnt much better imo.

shami not withstanding they have very little religious diversity in their consistent selections, apart from whom i think all of indias consistent selections over the last 5 years (10 odd games a year minimum) have been hindus. i may be wrong if there are sikhs or christians in there with hindu sounding names. for a country with 20 to 25% minorities religious minorities, that isnt great imo.

In India, atleast in cricket there has never been any discrimantion based on religion. There are only zonal biases in team selection - Eastern zone selectors prefers player from East, Mumbai selector prefers player from Mumbai etc.

Azharuddin was our captain in 3 world cups (most by any Indian skipper). Our most belived wicketkeeper before Dhoni emerged was Syed Kirmani. Likes of Shami, Pathan brothers, Zak, Kaif never faced any discrimination. Atrocious bowlers like Khaleel Ahmed, Mohammed Siraj, Shadab Jakarti, Shabaz Nadeem, Kamran Khan - all of them either represented India or bagged good IPL contracts. Even Parwez Rasool, who disrespected Indian flag played for Indian national team.
 
“But but but India”- thats probably relebant in a lot of arguments (never a justification or an excuse) but India have had MANY non Hindus in the past 20 years. Top of my head: Harbhajan, Yuvraj, Shami, karo, irfan Pathan, Yusuf Pathan, varun Aaron, some pervez guy. India doesn’t have that problem
To add to this,
Many of them held important roles in indian team, Some of them were amongst the most influential cricketers of their time ex pataudi,Bishan singh bedi, azharuddin, syed kirmani, farokh engineer, nari contractor.

Irfan pathan was the blue eyed boy of indian cricket and everyone loved him,
Cricket in India has always been secular.
 
To add to this,
Many of them held important roles in indian team, Some of them were amongst the most influential cricketers of their time ex pataudi,Bishan singh bedi, azharuddin, syed kirmani, farokh engineer, nari contractor.

Irfan pathan was the blue eyed boy of indian cricket and everyone loved him,
Cricket in India has always been secular.

Cricket and Bollywood these two industries(if i am allowed to call them one) have been pretty liberal and secular in the past apart from a few case, most notabe one of Dilip Kumar who had to change his real name to be acceptable to the masses, but the current drama and negativity created by these news channel around Bollywood to project it as bullywood might turn things around.

Hate has started prevailing in India in recent years it needs to be checked or things will only turn ugly.
 
Don't be ignorant and please stop watching banana republic tv, chee news and mazak tak.
Total minorities(excluding Shia's) in Pakistan is 2,922,549 which is a decent total.

Thank you for the info. Looks like minorities in Pakistan do still exist.
 
Would be nice too see a minority in the Pakistani team

And would love to see a Balochi or sheedi player as well one day
 
In India, atleast in cricket there has never been any discrimantion based on religion. There are only zonal biases in team selection - Eastern zone selectors prefers player from East, Mumbai selector prefers player from Mumbai etc.

Azharuddin was our captain in 3 world cups (most by any Indian skipper). Our most belived wicketkeeper before Dhoni emerged was Syed Kirmani. Likes of Shami, Pathan brothers, Zak, Kaif never faced any discrimination. Atrocious bowlers like Khaleel Ahmed, Mohammed Siraj, Shadab Jakarti, Shabaz Nadeem, Kamran Khan - all of them either represented India or bagged good IPL contracts. Even Parwez Rasool, who disrespected Indian flag played for Indian national team.

thats why i said recently, i know india didnt have an issue with this historically.

maybe non-hindu players arent as good now, fair enough, that could be the case for pak, or it could be a deeper lying issue of a lack of involvement at the grass roots level. cant really say unless u involved in the system.
 
“But but but India”- thats probably relebant in a lot of arguments (never a justification or an excuse) but India have had MANY non Hindus in the past 20 years. Top of my head: Harbhajan, Yuvraj, Shami, karo, irfan Pathan, Yusuf Pathan, varun Aaron, some pervez guy. India doesn’t have that problem

i was saying that as a reply to a post which seems to have been deleted now, my post is out of context now.
 
Are there even any minorities left in Pakistan?

hindus are the largest growing religious group in pakistan according to some data. there's anywhere between 3 to 5 million if the trend from 87 to 2017 is extrapolated, 8 million if Pakistan hindu council data is quoted, either way there is a signficant population.
 
“But but but India”- thats probably relebant in a lot of arguments (never a justification or an excuse) but India have had MANY non Hindus in the past 20 years. Top of my head: Harbhajan, Yuvraj, Shami, karo, irfan Pathan, Yusuf Pathan, varun Aaron, some pervez guy. India doesn’t have that problem

Hmm they are there in IPL though and also regularly make U-19.. Avesh, Khalil, Sarfaraz, Subhman Gill,Mohammed Siraj, also Dhawan and Bumrah are Sikh..
 
Probably the same reason why Yorkshire doesn't have Asian cricketer's bar one or two. Nothing surprising though. Pakistan is a Muslim nation and I don't expect a non Muslim to play at the national level.
 
Probably the same reason why Yorkshire doesn't have Asian cricketer's bar one or two. Nothing surprising though. Pakistan is a Muslim nation and I don't expect a non Muslim to play at the national level.

exactly so don't complain about racism. everyone are bigots or racists in a way.
 
I think more than non Muslims the bigger question is why are there no Shia Muslims in the pakistan squad.

Rumors persist that all those years Sadaf Hussain was topping domestic charts but didn’t get an international call jp was due to being Shia
 
I think more than non Muslims the bigger question is why are there no Shia Muslims in the pakistan squad.

Rumors persist that all those years Sadaf Hussain was topping domestic charts but didn’t get an international call jp was due to being Shia

If you had seen Sadaf Hussain bowl in the last QeA season(2019) you would know exactly why he wasn't selected. He is a complete trundler with the red Kookaburra almost like Colin de Grandhomme.

Green pitches along with Grays ball have done the most damage to Pakistan cricket. Mir Hamza, Sadaf Hussain and Tabish Khan have highly inflated stats, look at their stats each one of them resembles Malcolm Marshall's stat yet are completely useless with red Kookaburra.
 
If you had seen Sadaf Hussain bowl in the last QeA season(2019) you would know exactly why he wasn't selected. He is a complete trundler with the red Kookaburra almost like Colin de Grandhomme.

Green pitches along with Grays ball have done the most damage to Pakistan cricket. Mir Hamza, Sadaf Hussain and Tabish Khan have highly inflated stats, look at their stats each one of them resembles Malcolm Marshall's stat yet are completely useless with red Kookaburra.

Sadaf is 31 now almost. He was putting those chart topping numbers year after year in his mid 20s when pacers are at their peak. So it is possible that he is simply past it now.

Similar arguments to what you are making for Safaf’s non-inclusion were made for Abbas who was putting amazing numbers year after year before he finally belatedly got a chance in his late 20s. His performances in international cricket are there for everyone to see and show that he should have been called up a few years earlier if anything.

Sadaf may not have done well in international cricket for whatever reasons you mentioned bu the fact is that we don’t know what actually happened. And based on domestic cricket records he deserved to get a recall at the very least. His record may have asterisks due to a faulty system but that is not his fault and he did everything required to atleast get a look in. And besides it’s not that we were playing some world beating talent anyway at that point as part of our pace attack.
 
What explains the absence of minority representation in Pakistan cricket?

We have been reading news of how there is little south asian representation in British cricket and how there's structural racism in cricket in England that prevents the south asians playing cricket at grassroots level from getting selected in county teams and for the English national team.

Azeem Rafiq accusing Yorkshire and English cricket in general of having institutional racism only laid bare the problems. The recent discussion about minority representation in UK sport got me thinking about the near absence of minorities in Pakistan cricket, not just in the national team but just the Pakistani cricket scene in general. It's a topic that I've always wondered about but the Azeem Rafiq discussion gave me an opportunity to talk about this.

Why is there zero representation of minorities in Pakistan cricket? India has a lot of muslim players like Shami, Siraj, Avesh Khan, etc., involved in not just the Indian national team, but also domestic cricket. Two muslim players featured in that Lords test and helped India beat England in the recent series in England. India is also set to be captained by a muslim player in Shaikh Rasheed in the upcoming U19 world cup. Bangladesh likewise has prominent hindu players in Liton Das and Saumya Sarkar in its national teams and I'm sure a fair few in its domestic cricket. But what explains the complete absence of minorities in Pakistan cricket.

Now I'm not just talking about the Pakistani national team. The last PSL squads had a total of 78 Pakistani players, 100% of whom were muslim. The last QeA trophy had nearly 90 players playing in the first class competition and everyone of them happened to be muslim as well.

Now I know the common answer would be minorities are less in Pakistan, compared to India and Bangladesh. But consider this, British Pakistanis were estimated to form approximately 1.9% of the UK population in 2011. Even if we assume that the number has grown to around 2.5% today, that is still less than the 3.5% or similar percentage of non muslims living in Pakistan. Yet, within the British Pakistani community alone, we have Moeen Ali, Adil Rashid and Saqib Mahmood playing for England in recent times, with the former two being regular players for England. And this is just the national team I'm talking about. But we haven't seen a single non muslim player (hindu/christian/sikh) in not just the Pakistani national team, but in the entire domestic scene in Pakistan in the last decade or so. Sikhs are just 1.7% of the Indian population, yet we have seen numerous Sikh players representing India and same is the case with Christians who form 2.3% of India's population (Samson, Robin Uthappa, etc). Forget that, there are just around 69,000 Parsis in India and yet a Parsi player in Arzan Nagaswalla was selected for the recent tour of England. Compare this to the nearly 8 million non muslims in Pakistan, and yet you have a complete absence of non muslim players involved with Pakistan cricket.

So what explains this phenomenon in Pakistan cricket? This is unlike any other country in world cricket where you have at least some minority representation in their national and domestic teams. I suppose you could say Australia hasn't had too many coloured players in recent times apart from Khawaja, but guys like Fawad Ahmed, Sandhu, Jason Sangha, Tanveer Sangha regularly play domestic cricket in Australia. You have Hashim Amla and Tabraiz Shamsi in South Africa and the likes of Sodhi, Ajaz Patel, Rachin Ravindra playing for the Kiwis and the West Indies have players from minorities too. I suppose you can say the Sri Lankan teams generally tend to be Sinhalese, but there are a lot of tamil and muslim players in Sri Lankan domestic cricket. So why is not happening in Pakistan alone and what's stopping minorities from playing cricket in Pakistan?
 
If they are not good enough then they can't play at higher level, otherwise Danish Kaneria is the Highest wicket taker spinner in tests for us. I think most of them don't play cricket .
 
If they are not good enough then they can't play at higher level, otherwise Danish Kaneria is the Highest wicket taker spinner in tests for us. I think most of them don't play cricket .

But that argument can be used by the ECB too, no?

That British asians are just not good enough for playing cricket at the highest level and consequently they are not filtering through to the county and national teams.
 
We have been reading news of how there is little south asian representation in British cricket and how there's structural racism in cricket in England that prevents the south asians playing cricket at grassroots level from getting selected in county teams and for the English national team.

Azeem Rafiq accusing Yorkshire and English cricket in general of having institutional racism only laid bare the problems. The recent discussion about minority representation in UK sport got me thinking about the near absence of minorities in Pakistan cricket, not just in the national team but just the Pakistani cricket scene in general. It's a topic that I've always wondered about but the Azeem Rafiq discussion gave me an opportunity to talk about this.

Why is there zero representation of minorities in Pakistan cricket? India has a lot of muslim players like Shami, Siraj, Avesh Khan, etc., involved in not just the Indian national team, but also domestic cricket. Two muslim players featured in that Lords test and helped India beat England in the recent series in England. India is also set to be captained by a muslim player in Shaikh Rasheed in the upcoming U19 world cup. Bangladesh likewise has prominent hindu players in Liton Das and Saumya Sarkar in its national teams and I'm sure a fair few in its domestic cricket. But what explains the complete absence of minorities in Pakistan cricket.

Now I'm not just talking about the Pakistani national team. The last PSL squads had a total of 78 Pakistani players, 100% of whom were muslim. The last QeA trophy had nearly 90 players playing in the first class competition and everyone of them happened to be muslim as well.

Now I know the common answer would be minorities are less in Pakistan, compared to India and Bangladesh. But consider this, British Pakistanis were estimated to form approximately 1.9% of the UK population in 2011. Even if we assume that the number has grown to around 2.5% today, that is still less than the 3.5% or similar percentage of non muslims living in Pakistan. Yet, within the British Pakistani community alone, we have Moeen Ali, Adil Rashid and Saqib Mahmood playing for England in recent times, with the former two being regular players for England. And this is just the national team I'm talking about. But we haven't seen a single non muslim player (hindu/christian/sikh) in not just the Pakistani national team, but in the entire domestic scene in Pakistan in the last decade or so. Sikhs are just 1.7% of the Indian population, yet we have seen numerous Sikh players representing India and same is the case with Christians who form 2.3% of India's population (Samson, Robin Uthappa, etc). Forget that, there are just around 69,000 Parsis in India and yet a Parsi player in Arzan Nagaswalla was selected for the recent tour of England. Compare this to the nearly 8 million non muslims in Pakistan, and yet you have a complete absence of non muslim players involved with Pakistan cricket.

So what explains this phenomenon in Pakistan cricket? This is unlike any other country in world cricket where you have at least some minority representation in their national and domestic teams. I suppose you could say Australia hasn't had too many coloured players in recent times apart from Khawaja, but guys like Fawad Ahmed, Sandhu, Jason Sangha, Tanveer Sangha regularly play domestic cricket in Australia. You have Hashim Amla and Tabraiz Shamsi in South Africa and the likes of Sodhi, Ajaz Patel, Rachin Ravindra playing for the Kiwis and the West Indies have players from minorities too. I suppose you can say the Sri Lankan teams generally tend to be Sinhalese, but there are a lot of tamil and muslim players in Sri Lankan domestic cricket. So why is not happening in Pakistan alone and what's stopping minorities from playing cricket in Pakistan?

The one solution to this problem can be to include a team representing the minorities of pakistan in the T20 and list A tournament.

Name the team like Pak Whites or any other.

Structure should be to have atleast 7 players from the minorities (Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Ahamadi + others) in the playing XI while the other 4 could be any experienced players like Hafeez, Malik, Wahab (who have retired from first class cricket) to give the new team stability, experience and guidance.

This way the people from the minority will have a representation at the top and I am pretty sure if they get a platform to perform there will definately be a Yousuf/Kaneria in there.

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There are a few players from the minorities in the cricket association teams, recently PCB twitter handle posted a video of one such player from Balochistan CA, there are others too in the CA teams (specially from Sindh), but the fact is they are too few.
There was a SIKH fast bowler who was part of the Peshawar Zalmi management too, he deserves his chance in the Punjab CA.

And for people posting "if they are good they will come through", this applies mostly for players from the majority,
- for minorities you have to hold their hand and guide them,
- make them believe they are also a part of the process.

Pakistan needs to be inclusive.
 
@streetcricketer - the reason is simple. Of the 3% non Muslims in Pakistani, 2% are Hindus. >95% of those Hindus are Sindhi.

No Sindhi player has ever represented Pakistan in cricket because Sindhis just don’t play cricket. Shahnawaz Dahani would
Be the first ever player from interior Sindh when he will make his debut for Pakistan eventually. Kaneria is a Gujarati Hindu not Sindhi Hindu even though he is Karachi giy.

So it’s a scenario where Sindhis do not have representation or interest in cricket and majority of the minorities also happen to be Sindhi (>90% Sindhis are Muslims btw so it’s not some conspiracy to keep out Hindus)

What I think is a more pertinent question is why is there so little Shia representation? The last Shia cricketer for Pakistan was Zulqairnain Haider, the wicket keeper afaik. (No, Hasan Ali is no Shia; don’t believe fake news peddlers that is Indian media). Unlike the situation with non Muslims; Shia form a sizable 15-20ish % of the population + they are not restricted to any one ethnicity either so it’s not a scenario similar to Hindus where majority Hindus are from an ethnicity which doesn’t play cricket anyway.
 
Also @streetcricketer - British Asians for 8% of England’s population. 2-3% would be if you include all of UK which isn’t relevant here
 
Current islamic polarization in pakistani society has produced results and we can see minority going down and down in every department they were present before
 
You wont be seeing any in future.

Pakistani society treats them badly. There are alot of social problems that our minority faces.

For example, people dont drink or eat from same things that are uses by hindus and christian. People even throw away food if given by shias claiming that they put their saliva in it..

In pakistani club level, you have to interact with players in club. You sit and eat together. During a match you share a single water bottle. Its a poor mans sport in pakistan, lower class plays this game mostly. You wont see upper class and a very limited middle clas might play.

And these racist ides exist alot in lower class aswell as they live in mohallas so hate is easily spread there.
 
Because no country treats minorities as badly as Pakistan does. That makes Pakistani people the most hypocritical nation on earth.

They will talk about racism in the west and in countries like India, but they will ignore the fact that they are still far better than Pakistan in terms of treatment of minorities.

Pakistan and Pakistani people should be the last nation on earth to talk about discrimination. We are the kings of discrimination.
 
Because no country treats minorities as badly as Pakistan does. That makes Pakistani people the most hypocritical nation on earth.

They will talk about racism in the west and in countries like India, but they will ignore the fact that they are still far better than Pakistan in terms of treatment of minorities.

Pakistan and Pakistani people should be the last nation on earth to talk about discrimination. We are the kings of discrimination.

To support this argument i will recommend to watch pakistani shows especially comedy drama in order to see the discrimination
 
@streetcricketer - the reason is simple. Of the 3% non Muslims in Pakistani, 2% are Hindus. >95% of those Hindus are Sindhi.

No Sindhi player has ever represented Pakistan in cricket because Sindhis just don’t play cricket. Shahnawaz Dahani would
Be the first ever player from interior Sindh when he will make his debut for Pakistan eventually. Kaneria is a Gujarati Hindu not Sindhi Hindu even though he is Karachi giy.

So it’s a scenario where Sindhis do not have representation or interest in cricket and majority of the minorities also happen to be Sindhi (>90% Sindhis are Muslims btw so it’s not some conspiracy to keep out Hindus)

What I think is a more pertinent question is why is there so little Shia representation? The last Shia cricketer for Pakistan was Zulqairnain Haider, the wicket keeper afaik. (No, Hasan Ali is no Shia; don’t believe fake news peddlers that is Indian media). Unlike the situation with non Muslims; Shia form a sizable 15-20ish % of the population + they are not restricted to any one ethnicity either so it’s not a scenario similar to Hindus where majority Hindus are from an ethnicity which doesn’t play cricket anyway.

What about the Christians? They were 1.2 million in 2012, would have increased in number in 2021, but we don't see any Christian player either in the domestic scene. I actually wanted to mention the composition of the Pakistani team is almost always 100% Sunni muslim or slightly less, but I didn't know who were the Shia players in the Pakistani domestic scene, and so I didn't mention about that.

But you're right, Pakistan cricket in general seems to be limited to sunni muslims from Punjab, Karachi and KPK. You don't see Sindhi representation in Pakistani cricket. In fact, I might be wrong but I don't think there are too many ethnic Kashmiri or Balochi cricketers either. Heck, even India has given a national cap for an ethnic Kashmiri cricketer in Pervez Rasool and many play in domestic cricket (not talking about Abdul Samad or Umran Malik of SRH because they're from Jammu and Punjabi by ethnicity and I'm sure there must be a few ethnic Punjabi players from AJK who would've played for Pakistan). Ahmedis is a different topic altogether.
 
Also @streetcricketer - British Asians for 8% of England’s population. 2-3% would be if you include all of UK which isn’t relevant here

My stat was about British Pakistanis alone, not British Asians, and around 2.1% of British Pakistanis live in England. But you tend to see a lot of British Pakistani players in English cricket like Moeen, Rashid, Mahmood. I remember a guy named Shehzad in the England 2011 world cup squad. Think Zafar Ansari was a British Pakistani too.
 
The one solution to this problem can be to include a team representing the minorities of pakistan in the T20 and list A tournament.

Name the team like Pak Whites or any other.

Structure should be to have atleast 7 players from the minorities (Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Ahamadi + others) in the playing XI while the other 4 could be any experienced players like Hafeez, Malik, Wahab (who have retired from first class cricket) to give the new team stability, experience and guidance.

This way the people from the minority will have a representation at the top and I am pretty sure if they get a platform to perform there will definately be a Yousuf/Kaneria in there.

Note:-
There are a few players from the minorities in the cricket association teams, recently PCB twitter handle posted a video of one such player from Balochistan CA, there are others too in the CA teams (specially from Sindh), but the fact is they are too few.
There was a SIKH fast bowler who was part of the Peshawar Zalmi management too, he deserves his chance in the Punjab CA.

And for people posting "if they are good they will come through", this applies mostly for players from the majority,
- for minorities you have to hold their hand and guide them,
- make them believe they are also a part of the process.

Pakistan needs to be inclusive.

Forming teams specifically for minorities is a regressive move and is reminiscent of Indian domestic teams being named the Mohameddans, Hindus, etc., during the colonial period. The entire point of talking about this issue is for inclusivity in sport. Having separate teams for minorities would just lead to more segregation.

Things must be looked to know why there is little representation in the nearly 8 million non muslim players (and even Shia and other minorities if we're being honest) and what are the steps that must be taken to correct that. You already have England and Australia starting inclusivity programmes for increasing participation of minorities in their sport. Something of that sort must be adopted.
 
But that argument can be used by the ECB too, no?

That British asians are just not good enough for playing cricket at the highest level and consequently they are not filtering through to the county and national teams.

If it is? Then yes but o don't think it is there.
 
Non-Muslims to play international cricket for Pakistan

Dr. Salman Faridi SportsSeptember 20, 2020


This eight-man list represents the diversity and plurality of our national culture


In its short history of under seventy years as a Test-playing nation Pakistan has been represented in international matches by seven non-Muslim cricketers; five Christians and two Hindus. Six of them played Test matches for Pakistan while one represented the country in ODI’s alone. In addition to these seven, there was one non-Muslim cricketer who was selected for the national team on an official Test tour but did not make the actual playing eleven for a Test.

Five Christians

Wallis Mathias

Wallis was the first non-Muslim to play a Test for Pakistan. Coming from Goan ancestry his father was an employee at the Karachi Gymkhana. Wallis was first selected to play for the national team against the touring New Zealand side in November 1955 at the age of twenty.

A stylish middle-order batsman, his score of 41 not out in his only innings in the match was second only to 103 from Hanif. Wallis was also a superb slip fielder, in fact the first specialist fielder of the Pakistan team. Wallis played for Pakistan till 1962, his Test career being brought to an early end by a finger fracture sustained in the nets that left the injured finger permanently deformed. He continued to perform prolifically in domestic cricket captaining the National Bank team and playing for them till 1976-77.

Wallis played 21 Test matches scoring 783 runs, including three fifties, at an average of 23.72. His highest score was 77 and he also took 22 catches. His figures in first-class cricket were7520 runs at an average of 44.49 with 16 centuries and a top score of 278 not out. He took 130 first-class catches.

Wallis died in 1994 of a brain hemorrhage at the age of just 59.

Antao D’Souza

Another cricketer of Goan descent, Antao D’Souza was a medium fast bowler. He made his test debut against the West Indies in February 1959 and went on to play a total of six test matches for Pakistan, with his final test appearance being on the ill fated tour of England in 1962.

Antao D’Souza’s best performance was against the visiting England side in 1962, when took 9 wickets in the series for 206 runs.

D’Souza played 6 Tests in which he took 17 wickets at an average of 43.82 runs per wicket. His best performance in an innings was 5 wickets for 112 runs versus England at Karachi in February 1962. His first-class figures were 190 wickets at an average of 26.03 and a best haul of 7 for 33.

D’Souza migrated to Canada in 1999 along with his wife and four children.

Duncan Sharpe

Duncan Sharpe was a wicketkeeper-batsman, whose ancestors had migrated from England to India in the mid-nineteenth century, and were related to the great English novelist William Thackeray. Duncan Sharpe was born in Rawalpindi but settled in Lahore with his mother, a nursing sister, after his parents divorced.

While playing club cricket in Lahore he was noticed by both Kardar and Fazal. Subsequent good performances in the 1958-59 domestic season led to his inclusion as the 12th man for the Test series against the West Indies.

A successful trip to England with the Pakistan Eaglets in 1959, followed by a swashbuckling century as an opener in a Test trial match on his return, resulted in his selection for Pakistan for the first Test against Australia at Dhaka in November 1959. He made a fifty on Test debut, being run out for 56 by a direct hit from Australia’s best fielder Norman O’Neil. He played in all three Test matches against the visiting Australians, but was not picked for the following tour of India. Deeply disappointed Duncan Sharpe migrated to Australia. He was helped by the Australian wicketkeeper Barry Jarman, and settled in South Australia where he had a brief second career in first-class cricket.

A strikingly handsome man who was once genuinely mistaken for the actor Cary Grant, Sharpe also wrote articles for the Lahore Civil and Military Gazette (Kipling’s newspaper).

Duncan Sharpe played 3 Tests scoring 134 runs at an average of 22.34 with one fifty. His highest score was 56 and he took 2 catches as a fielder. In first-class cricket he made 1531 runs averaging 27.33. This included two centuries and a highest score of 118. He made 54 dismissals as a wicketkeeper/ fielder.

Mohammad Yousuf

(formerly Yousuf Youhanna)

Yousuf comes from a humble Lahore background. His father was a Hindu Dalit who had converted to Christianity. Yousuf had abandoned his early interest in cricket for a steady job, and was all geared up to work as a tailoring shop assistant in 1994, when he was picked to play for a local club. He never looked back. His performance at the club led to a season in the Bradford League and by 1996 he was playing first-class cricket. His Test debut soon followed in 1998 and the runs began to flow.

His hunger for runs made with a languid, soothingly hypnotic style, found its peak in 2006 when he scored 1788 runs with nine centuries at an average of 99.33, beating Viv Richards thirty year old record of 1710 for most runs in a calendar year. His nine centuries in a calendar year are also a record and he also equaled Don Bradman’s feat of scoring six centuries in successive Tests, though it took him only four matches compared to Bradman’s six.

Yousuf played 90 Tests for Pakistan making 7520 runs at an average of 52.29. His tally included 24 century and a highest score of 223. In first-class cricket he scored 19,152 runs averaging 49.28, with 29 centuries and a top score of 223.

Before announcing his conversion to Islam in September 2005, Yousuf had become the only non-Muslim to captain Pakistan, doing so on the tour of Australia in 2004-5.

Sohail Fazal

The fifth Christian to play international cricket for Pakistan, Sohail represented the national side in two ODI’s only and did not play any tests. Both his appearances came during the Champions Trophy in 1989 at Sharjah, when he scored 24 and 32 in the two matches. He had a brief first-class career scoring 742 runs with an average of 20.61 and a top score of 87 not out.

Two Hindus

Anil Dalpat

The first Hindu to play for Pakistan, Anil Dalpat was selected for the national side after Wasim Bari retired. Anil played 9 Tests for Pakistan, all within the space of one year, from March 1984 to February 1985. In the Pakistan domestic season of 1983-84, Dalpat had 69 dismissals behind the wicket which is a record for a Pakistani season.

After retiring from cricket Dalpat coached for a while in Canada before settling into a business career.

Anil’s statistics are 167 runs and 25 wicketkeeping dismissals in Test cricket and 2556 runs with 430 wicketkeeping dismissals in first-class cricket.

Danish Kaneria


Kaneria is Dalpat’s first cousin and the second Hindu to play international cricket for Pakistan. A versatile right arm leg spinner renowned for his well disguised googly, he represented Pakistan in 61 tests between 2000 and 2010.

Kaneria is the fourth highest wicket taker in Tests for Pakistan with 261 scalps. Additionally he is one of only six Pakistani bowlers to have taken more than 1000 wickets in first class cricket.

Danish also played county cricket for Essex in England. In 2010 he was investigated and cleared in an inquiry over ‘match irregularities’. In 2012 he was named in court in a spot fixing case and was banned for life from playing in England and Wales. This decision was also endorsed by the PCB. After many years of denial Kaneria admitted his role in this scandal in an interview for an Al Jazeera television documentary in 2018.

Kaneria’s 261 Test wickets came at an average of 34.79 and his 1024 first-class wickets at an average of 26.16. His best test performance in an innings was 7 for 78, while his best test match haul was 12 wickets for 94 runs.

The Solitary Parsi

Rusi Dinshaw

Rusi Dinshaw was a left-handed batsman who was selected for Pakistan’s inaugural Test tour of India in 1951-52. He played in two first-class matches on the tour without gaining Test selection.

His first class tally is 171 runs for an average of 14.25 and a highest score of 35. Suffering from long-standing schizophrenia, Rusi died in 2014.

These eight non-Muslims of Pakistan cricket represent the diversity and plurality of our national culture.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/tns
 
Forming teams specifically for minorities is a regressive move and is reminiscent of Indian domestic teams being named the Mohameddans, Hindus, etc., during the colonial period. The entire point of talking about this issue is for inclusivity in sport. Having separate teams for minorities would just lead to more segregation.

Things must be looked to know why there is little representation in the nearly 8 million non muslim players (and even Shia and other minorities if we're being honest) and what are the steps that must be taken to correct that. You already have England and Australia starting inclusivity programmes for increasing participation of minorities in their sport. Something of that sort must be adopted.

There has to be a starting point.

From no representation to suddenly having them in each domestic is a no mean thing.

I have said to include a new team only In the limited overs format which will give them a platform to play for, the consistent performers from that team can graduated to the QeA teams.

It's a bit like reservation system which Dr B. R. Ambedkar had formulated in India (although not for sports). When kids see people from their ethnic group/neighborhood playing the sport at the highest level it instills confidence in them to start taking the sport seriously.

Note:-
I have not suggested that the new team is the only team where a minority could play, he/she could even be drafted in the first XI of the QeA teams provided they are that good, for everyone else the minority XI could be a good and fair starting point.
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Danish Kaneria could have been a cult hero in Pakistan, but that guy chose to shoot his own foot. He was a rare breed in Pakistan cricket and could have enjoyed his life being a coach or a cricket administrator (mostly a token post) but now will have to live with a tainted name.
 
People claiming players get selected based on merit and not on their religion. Are they unaware that tens of mediocre players have represented Pak all these years. Not a single non-Muslim player is mediocre enough to play for nation?
 
Because no country treats minorities as badly as Pakistan does. That makes Pakistani people the most hypocritical nation on earth.

They will talk about racism in the west and in countries like India, but they will ignore the fact that they are still far better than Pakistan in terms of treatment of minorities.

Pakistan and Pakistani people should be the last nation on earth to talk about discrimination. We are the kings of discrimination.

I think you may be right. When even the shia population doesn't get representation. It's a telling sign that life in pakistan is different for any pakistani that is not sunni.
 
I remember the period when we had Kaneria and 'Youhana' in the team and how proud I was that we had two non Muslims playing for us, despite non Muslims making up only 3 or 4% of the population.

But I feel that period was an anomaly - as the article above shows we have had 8 non Muslims (plus possibly 1 or 2 closet Ahmadies) represent Pak in about 75 years so average that out to one every decade or so. Is that really good enough? Not anywhere near.

And it isn't just about representing Pakistan - they are not even making FC cricket at the moment it seems. We all know they suffer systemic persecution etc - yes, we know - but they did before too yet we had a few break through and we had a few more in FC cricket - Rajesh Ramesh must be the last one?
 
I remember the period when we had Kaneria and 'Youhana' in the team and how proud I was that we had two non Muslims playing for us, despite non Muslims making up only 3 or 4% of the population.

But I feel that period was an anomaly - as the article above shows we have had 8 non Muslims (plus possibly 1 or 2 closet Ahmadies) represent Pak in about 75 years so average that out to one every decade or so. Is that really good enough? Not anywhere near.

And it isn't just about representing Pakistan - they are not even making FC cricket at the moment it seems. We all know they suffer systemic persecution etc - yes, we know - but they did before too yet we had a few break through and we had a few more in FC cricket - Rajesh Ramesh must be the last one?

i believe Youhana even captained the team before his conversion - which makes him the 1st non muslim to captain Pakistan. can you imagine? when only 8 minority represented the country and 1 of them was good enough to captain. sadly pakistan will miss out on such talent due to discrimination and persecution. as Mamoon said, maybe one of the worst countries to be a minority.

look at other cricket countries. some of best sri lankans were tamil. india has had azzaruddin, shami, singh. south africa had hashim amla.

Khawaja in australia, Moeen and Adil in England showing that pakistani talent can rise up to the top despite minority status in any country except Pakistan.
 
Considering the total population is above 230mn, the non Muslim percentage is around 1.2~1.3; by that note, it’s really difficult for minorities to make the highest level, unless there is some quota applied. Still, in last 20 years Youhana & Kaneria did make the squad and could have a longer career. I think, there was an Ahmadi cricketer playing for PAK in 1975 WC and he was hard done by for sure. I see few non Muslim names and n domestic circuits but their performance is not note worthy to make it to national level without a quota. Only Ahmadia in recent days with some notable numbers in Sadaf, who did get a National call but didn’t get any game.

The minority pop % was higher, force convertion, murder, and gov non intervention when it comes to discrimination and racism.

Has lead to delcine in diversity in religions in pakistan... kinda of sad.
 
i believe Youhana even captained the team before his conversion - which makes him the 1st non muslim to captain Pakistan. can you imagine? when only 8 minority represented the country and 1 of them was good enough to captain. sadly pakistan will miss out on such talent due to discrimination and persecution. as Mamoon said, maybe one of the worst countries to be a minority.

look at other cricket countries. some of best sri lankans were tamil. india has had azzaruddin, shami, singh. south africa had hashim amla.

Khawaja in australia, Moeen and Adil in England showing that pakistani talent can rise up to the top despite minority status in any country except Pakistan.

You've kind of contradicted yourself because you said minorities can rise to the top in any country except Pakistan yet you also say Youhana captained Pakistan before his conversion.

But anyway, let's not get hung up about that. The point is that minorities are systemically persecuted in Pakistan and culturally so too. No denying that at all.

By the way, very few Tamils have played for Sri Lanka as far as I know.
 
You've kind of contradicted yourself because you said minorities can rise to the top in any country except Pakistan yet you also say Youhana captained Pakistan before his conversion.

But anyway, let's not get hung up about that. The point is that minorities are systemically persecuted in Pakistan and culturally so too. No denying that at all.

By the way, very few Tamils have played for Sri Lanka as far as I know.

Let me rephrase, what I meant to say is pakistanis have the capablity to rise to the top despite being minorities. Yet it rarely happens in Pakistan itself (8 times just isn't good enough). Youhana is simply proof that these minorities have the talent.

There's been a quite a bit of tamils that played for Sri Lanka. I wont bother with full list, but off my head i can name Matthews, Russell arnold, and Murali possibly the greatest bowler ever. Surely more tamils played for sri lankan national team than indian national team.
 
Let me rephrase, what I meant to say is pakistanis have the capablity to rise to the top despite being minorities. Yet it rarely happens in Pakistan itself (8 times just isn't good enough). Youhana is simply proof that these minorities have the talent.

There's been a quite a bit of tamils that played for Sri Lanka. I wont bother with full list, but off my head i can name Matthews, Russell arnold, and Murali possibly the greatest bowler ever. Surely more tamils played for sri lankan national team than indian national team.

That is true, no denying the persecution as I said.

By the way, do look up the full list of Tamils who have played for Sri Lanka. I think you'll be surprised at how small it is - they make up nearly a quarter of the population.
 
You've kind of contradicted yourself because you said minorities can rise to the top in any country except Pakistan yet you also say Youhana captained Pakistan before his conversion.

But anyway, let's not get hung up about that. The point is that minorities are systemically persecuted in Pakistan and culturally so too. No denying that at all.

By the way, very few Tamils have played for Sri Lanka as far as I know.

Sri Lanka is worse in many ways given minorities form at least 25% (~10% Sri Lankan tamils, 5% Indian/hill country tamils and ~10% Sri Lankan moors/muslims) of their population and yet their cricket team would be almost always uniformly Sinhalese everytime. Only a handful of tamils have represented Sri Lanka, Murali, Arnold and Mathews being the most famous of those, but even among those, Murali is an Indian tamil (hill country tamil), Mathews doesn't know a word of tamil and speaks only Sinhalese, Arnold is a Sri Lankan tamil but both Arnold and Mathews are from the Colombo elite, and you have nobody from the northern areas like Jaffna where most of the Sri Lankan tamils live and the bloody civil war took place.

Very few muslims have played for Sri Lanka either, the only ones I remember are Farveez Maharoof and Jehan Mubarak. Not counting Dilshan and Suraj Randiv because they were born muslims but converted from Islam to Buddhism (like Yousuf did the other way around) and are Sinhalese Buddhists for all practical purposes. There is a heavy element of mixing religion with cricket in Sri Lanka too (similar to Pakistan in this matter), and Sri Lankan teams routinely meet a Sinhalese Buddhist monk/temple to get blessings before any major tournament.
 
Sri Lanka is worse in many ways given minorities form at least 25% (~10% Sri Lankan tamils, 5% Indian/hill country tamils and ~10% Sri Lankan moors/muslims) of their population and yet their cricket team would be almost always uniformly Sinhalese everytime. Only a handful of tamils have represented Sri Lanka, Murali, Arnold and Mathews being the most famous of those, but even among those, Murali is an Indian tamil (hill country tamil), Mathews doesn't know a word of tamil and speaks only Sinhalese, Arnold is a Sri Lankan tamil but both Arnold and Mathews are from the Colombo elite, and you have nobody from the northern areas like Jaffna where most of the Sri Lankan tamils live and the bloody civil war took place.

Very few muslims have played for Sri Lanka either, the only ones I remember are Farveez Maharoof and Jehan Mubarak. Not counting Dilshan and Suraj Randiv because they were born muslims but converted from Islam to Buddhism (like Yousuf did the other way around) and are Sinhalese Buddhists for all practical purposes. There is a heavy element of mixing religion with cricket in Sri Lanka too (similar to Pakistan in this matter), and Sri Lankan teams routinely meet a Sinhalese Buddhist monk/temple to get blessings before any major tournament.

How do you know Mathews does not speak tamil? Why would he speak sinhalese and not tamil?

Dilshan was born into a mixed family - his father was muslim and his mother was buddhist. and he and all his siblings grew up with his mother's religion so I don't think it's right to say he "converted from Islam" when he was never muslim to begin with. There is ofcourse that famous incident with Shehzad the idiot trying to convert Dilshan during a match :shezzy

I believe also Jayasuriya is also tamil. I dont want to look into the domestic setup, but for a small group, they have been some very successful members of sri lankan cricket.
 
All this talk of diversity only happens to undermine white people. It’s only to have an all black team, all Asian team, all Muslim team. But when there is an all white team, this nonsensical talk of diversity comes about. Pakistanis, especially those who live in Pakistan have no right to cry about racism in the UK or any other country, when they treat their minorities like absolute garbage.
 
How do you know Mathews does not speak tamil? Why would he speak sinhalese and not tamil?

Dilshan was born into a mixed family - his father was muslim and his mother was buddhist. and he and all his siblings grew up with his mother's religion so I don't think it's right to say he "converted from Islam" when he was never muslim to begin with. There is ofcourse that famous incident with Shehzad the idiot trying to convert Dilshan during a match :shezzy

I believe also Jayasuriya is also tamil. I dont want to look into the domestic setup, but for a small group, they have been some very successful members of sri lankan cricket.

Angelo is half Tamil and half Burgher (similar to Anglo Indians) and he is married to a Sinhalese lady. He knows very little Tamil and grew up speaking sinhalese for the same reason many 2nd and 3rd generation desis can't speak their mother tongue in the west and grow up speaking English. Russel himself is not a fluent Tamil speaker because like Mathews, he grew up in Colombo, which is not a Tamil majority region.

As for Dilshan, his original name was Tuwan Mohammed Dilshan. He converted to Buddhism and changed his name to Tilakaratne Dilshan soon after his debut. It's well documented. I know his mum was Buddhist but he grew up as a muslim but converted around 1999. And no, Sanath isn't Tamil.
 
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