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Was just posting in a previous thread and it just give me the idea to ask you why I am not judging, debating or anything just curious.
 
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I have many reasons to believe in God.

One of the reasons is: "Who created the world?"

I believe that everything is created and for the world itself to be created, there has to be some divine entity outside of the laws of the universe that can create and destroy mass.
 
Rayyman said:
I have many reasons to believe in God.

One of the reasons is: "Who created the world?"

I believe that everything is created and for the world itself to be created, there has to be some divine entity outside of the laws of the universe that can create and destroy mass.
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Why do you chose Allah?It was by birth i suppose?
 
itsme said:
Why do you chose Allah?It was by birth i suppose?
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First of all, I only believe in Monotheism.

I would not follow a religion in which there are multiple gods.

Second of all, Christianity has been proved to be corrupted over time. At it's purest form, it is very similar to Islam; But modern Christianity and all of the different sects are different.

The only other religion is Judaism. I don't have much knowledge of this religion, but I don't think it's any good.

Lastly, Islam is a flawless religion. There are many miracles that prove this.

Yes, I was born a Muslim. I am thankful that the straight path has been clear for me from the moment I came to this Earth.
 
Coz my heart and mind accept that there is only one God. Islam's concept is so very simple and easy to understand.
 
TM Riddle said:
And I bet He turned out to be the exact same one your parents asked you to pray to?
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I believe that those that believe each have their own unique relationship with their creator, and no two people have the same outlook on their creator.
 
Belawal2014 said:
I believe that those that believe each have their own unique relationship with their creator, and no two people have the same outlook on their creator.
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You didn't ans my question brother.Is he the same your parents pray to or did you after years of intense research find him in some obscure sect in hinduism say Tantrism?
 
TM Riddle said:
You didn't ans my question brother.Is he the same your parents pray to or did you after years of intense research find him in some obscure sect in hinduism say Tantrism?
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The same? As in believing in one god? Yes. Polytheism and for that matter, Hinduism, without sounding offensive, is something which never made sense to me, even as a kid.
 
Rayyman said:
First of all, I only believe in Monotheism.

I would not follow a religion in which there are multiple gods.

Second of all, Christianity has been proved to be corrupted over time. At it's purest form, it is very similar to Islam; But modern Christianity and all of the different sects are different.

The only other religion is Judaism. I don't have much knowledge of this religion, but I don't think it's any good.

Lastly, Islam is a flawless religion. There are many miracles that prove this.

Yes, I was born a Muslim. I am thankful that the straight path has been clear for me from the moment I came to this Earth.
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What miracles ??
 
Why don't you believe in GOD? Have you ever tried to honestly look for GOD? One needs to put effort to attain even a small amount of knowledge, and you want the knowledge about GOD to be handed to you? Only those who are willing to go down this path will ever achieve this knowledge, but to even get on this path you have to have a belief first, you can't go looking for GOD with a closed mind.

Now I can understand people being put off by various religious versions of GOD, or the various religious practices, but that doesn't mean you entirely reject the concept of GOD. One needs to be able to separate the GOD from religion. One will never find GOD using his mind, the logical/ rational mind will always be a hinderance to the path of spirituality, there are things a mind cannot comprehend, the mind always wants to breakdown things into smaller units to understand them, the mind is always distracted by this materialistic world, that's why the mind can never understand GOD.

The GOD that I believe in isn't some supernatural being with human-like features, who's sitting there listening to our everyday problems and solving the problems of those who pray to him. This universe is already working on a set of laws, the laws apply to every being, we are all responsible for everything that happens to us, GOD is not going to interfere on our behalf to solve our problems.

If anyone still finds it difficult to believe in the idea of a GOD, the least they can do is read about buddha, I mean Buddha has really broken down this knowledge into simple rational/logical concepts, simple enough for the rational mind to understand.
 
Belawal2014 said:
The Islamic god Allah is the same god for Abrahamic religions. Only we believe that Islam is the last and final software update to bring the system that is 'faith' up to date.
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You mean your parents too right.Which brings
us back to my previous post.
 
Belawal2014 said:
The Islamic god Allah is the same god for Abrahamic religions. Only we believe that Islam is the last and final software update to bring the system that is 'faith' up to date.
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And no update is final brother.There's always a room for improvement WITH CHANGING TIMES
 
. . Because i was taught to believe in God since I was a kid. I have internalized the belief system now and it will live with me till i'm alive.

Part of my faith is blind, no shame in acknowledging it. If there is something which cannot be explained by or is inconsistent with science, I satisy myself by believing that human mind cannot comprehend everything. Humans are handicapped by their limited senses, their understanding of various dimensions of the universe and everything that meets the eye need not be the ultimate truth. This is my defense mechanism. Apart from this there have been certain instances and events in my life which reinforced my belied in God. Atheists would call them coincidences but for a believer like me, it had to do with the divine.

Another reason I believe in God, although this is not a major factor, is that its a safer option. You dont believe in God and die as a Godless person, you end up in hell if God exists. If He doesnt exist, you get decomposed. If you die as a believer, and then God does exist, you are safe. If he doesnt exist, you got nothing to lose. You end up getting decomposed like the athiest.

All in all Belief in God works great for me. Long may it continue and May God bless me. Ameen. :yk
 
TM Riddle said:
You mean your parents too right.Which brings
us back to my previous post.
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I see, so what's your point?

TM Riddle said:
And no update is final brother.There's always a room for improvement WITH CHANGING TIMES
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Agree here. I'm just trying to improve myself, first and foremost, and that's why I tend to keep my religion/religious views on here private. btw, who is that in your avatar?
 
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Believe in God ,yes! Believe in religion nope, faith in religion yes!
 
Belawal2014 said:
I see, so what's your point?



Agree here. I'm just trying to improve myself, first and foremost, and that's why I tend to keep my religion/religious views on here private. btw, who is that in your avatar?
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Late Christopher Hitchens.
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
Why don't you believe in GOD? Have you ever tried to honestly look for GOD? One needs to put effort to attain even a small amount of knowledge, and you want the knowledge about GOD to be handed to you? Only those who are willing to go down this path will ever achieve this knowledge, but to even get on this path you have to have a belief first, you can't go looking for GOD with a closed mind.

Now I can understand people being put off by various religious versions of GOD, or the various religious practices, but that doesn't mean you entirely reject the concept of GOD. One needs to be able to separate the GOD from religion. One will never find GOD using his mind, the logical/ rational mind will always be a hinderance to the path of spirituality, there are things a mind cannot comprehend, the mind always wants to breakdown things into smaller units to understand them, the mind is always distracted by this materialistic world, that's why the mind can never understand GOD.

The GOD that I believe in isn't some supernatural being with human-like features, who's sitting there listening to our everyday problems and solving the problems of those who pray to him. This universe is already working on a set of laws, the laws apply to every being, we are all responsible for everything that happens to us, GOD is not going to interfere on our behalf to solve our problems.

If anyone still finds it difficult to believe in the idea of a GOD, the least they can do is read about buddha, I mean Buddha has really broken down this knowledge into simple rational/logical concepts, simple enough for the rational mind to understand.
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I was born in a muslim family and learn all muslim rites (praying,quran,fasting) quite early but it's just that i never believes in god since the start,since being a kid i just thought it was just like stories,fairies and always thought peoples don't really believe in god but act like they do(social reasons,desesperation,meaning of life..), now i somehow accept maybe some really believe so just want to ask why.
Your "god" description is more something than someone,if the thing or the one who creates us doesn't even have any conscience,doesn't interact with us,doesn't even meant to created us,is just some chemical element who "created us" by chance why would i pray him or consider him as a "god" or anything like that.
 
Anyway don't want to debate on if there is a god or not please,it's lead nowhere.
 
there's death and lives and that's enough for me to believe in god. cant see any reason to not believe in Allah.
 
Rayyman said:
I have many reasons to believe in God.

One of the reasons is: "Who created the world?"

I believe that everything is created and for the world itself to be created, there has to be some divine entity outside of the laws of the universe that can create and destroy mass.
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so everything must have a creator except the creator themselves? logic fail son.

also this is the age old argument for the existence of god. if this is your motivation, then it is rather pedestrian. you can do better.
 
Smbhayi said:
there's death and lives and that's enough for me to believe in god. cant see any reason to not believe in Allah.
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so from the perspective of a bacteria colony that can live forever as long as a medium to grow in is present, from their perspective there is no Allah. right?
 
lets approach this another way:

could any of the theists please help design a falsifiable experiment that can establish the existence of a god, or gods?
 
captain.hansolo said:
you dont get to pull this nonsense. if you believe is baby jesus, you need to own the whole literature.
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I think what he meant Han was that he believes in an omnipotent , omniscient Nirguna entity who is responsible for everything around us and who doesn't necessarily intervene in our lives as much as we would like to believe while at the same time not believing in the system of organised religions responsible for giving anthropomorphic traits to God.
Think most deists hold this philosophy.Not sure [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] is one though.
 
captain.hansolo said:
so everything must have a creator except the creator themselves? logic fail son.

also this is the age old argument for the existence of god. if this is your motivation, then it is rather pedestrian. you can do better.
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I'm afraid it's a fail in logic on your part. I clearly stated that I have many reasons and that this is just one of them. Unfortunately, you did not read my post well.
 
I believe in god because she is the only one makes sense to me. She has been humble servant and savior of humanity asking nothing in return.

I mean what else am i gonna do if i dont believe in her.
 
Because the belief in God is the only grammar which rationalizes the language of universal existence ; to be a believer, esp. in our times, is a a courageous aesthetic manifest against a world which has lost all its poetic potentialities, by replacing every sign of God with a Satanic simulacrum (the influential and prolific French philosopher Michel Serres talks of how "angels" have been replaced by "technologies" in one of his books - back then you went to the local priest or prayed a saint, now you go to the treacherous pharmaceutical industries, find consolation in your iPhone - when not drugs - to fight your existential angst, ... the odyssey of the so called "liberated" "modern" "man".)

The modern West is a good laboratory of a godless society (infantile materialism, hedonistic philosophies, degraded morality, etc)
 
Rayyman said:
I have many reasons to believe in God.

One of the reasons is: "Who created the world?"

I believe that everything is created and for the world itself to be created, there has to be some divine entity outside of the laws of the universe that can create and destroy mass.
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Your presumption that who created the world itself is wrong.

If everything needs a creator, who created God?

God must not have appeared out of the blue. God needs a mommy and daddy too.

If you say God has always been there, then it is wrong. God needs to be created too.
 
Rayyman said:
First of all, I only believe in Monotheism.

I would not follow a religion in which there are multiple gods.

Second of all, Christianity has been proved to be corrupted over time. At it's purest form, it is very similar to Islam; But modern Christianity and all of the different sects are different.

The only other religion is Judaism. I don't have much knowledge of this religion, but I don't think it's any good.

Lastly, Islam is a flawless religion. There are many miracles that prove this.

Yes, I was born a Muslim. I am thankful that the straight path has been clear for me from the moment I came to this Earth.
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You don't have any knowledge of Judaism. But yet you say its no good.

Can you show some miracles you are saying?
 
We are all conditioned to believe in a God(s) from our childhood. The fear is put in our head right from childhood.

God is not just a concept. God comes with religion and with it comes culture. We are all brought up in a culture that most of the times follows rules of religion.

Basically brainwashed to believe what has been told by our elders.
 
enkidu_ said:
Because the belief in God is the only grammar which rationalizes the language of universal existence ; to be a believer, esp. in our times, is a a courageous aesthetic manifest against a world which has lost all its poetic potentialities, by replacing every sign of God with a Satanic simulacrum (the influential and prolific French philosopher Michel Serres talks of how "angels" have been replaced by "technologies" in one of his books - back then you went to the local priest or prayed a saint, now you go to the treacherous pharmaceutical industries, find consolation in your iPhone - when not drugs - to fight your existential angst, ... the odyssey of the so called "liberated" "modern" "man".)

The modern West is a good laboratory of a godless society (infantile materialism, hedonistic philosophies, degraded morality, etc)
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And East with its superstitions , bigotry , sectarian and communal differences , gross human right violations , pathetic condition of women etc continues to shine as a beacon of hope for every nation to look forward and emulate to , isn't that brother @enkidu?
Oh I guess not.Because we have forgotten the true message , indulging in corrupt practices (brought to us by the 'evil' west of course) as prophesied by some obscure philosopher from Armenia in 17th century who predicted this downfall because Satan and Santa Claus and existentialism bla bla Donald trump Rolling stones sympathy for the devil .
Give it a rest already .
 
TM Riddle said:
And East with its superstitions , bigotry , sectarian and communal differences , gross human right violations , pathetic condition of women etc continues to shine as a beacon of hope for every nation to look forward and emulate to , isn't that brother @enkidu?
Oh I guess not.Because we have forgotten the true message , indulging in corrupt practices (brought to us by the 'evil' west of course) as prophesied by some obscure philosopher from Armenia in 17th century who predicted this downfall because Satan and Santa Claus and existentialism bla bla Donald trump Rolling stones sympathy for the devil .
Give it a rest already .
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All of this exist in the West as well, but way worse because it's hidden.
 
enkidu_ said:
Because the belief in God is the only grammar which rationalizes the language of universal existence ; to be a believer, esp. in our times, is a a courageous aesthetic manifest against a world which has lost all its poetic potentialities, by replacing every sign of God with a Satanic simulacrum (the influential and prolific French philosopher Michel Serres talks of how "angels" have been replaced by "technologies" in one of his books - back then you went to the local priest or prayed a saint, now you go to the treacherous pharmaceutical industries, find consolation in your iPhone - when not drugs - to fight your existential angst, ... the odyssey of the so called "liberated" "modern" "man".)

The modern West is a good laboratory of a godless society (infantile materialism, hedonistic philosophies, degraded morality, etc)
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You're writing reminds me of Kant's.

If I understand you correctly, I beg to differ. The existence of "God", or your belief in him, should not dictate whether you are a "moral" man or not. Only your actions would dictate that.
 
Rayyman said:
I have many reasons to believe in God.

One of the reasons is: "Who created the world?"

I believe that everything is created and for the world itself to be created, there has to be some divine entity outside of the laws of the universe that can create and destroy mass.
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Better question would be who created Universe , in a perfect manner.
 
I believe in God because my parents believe in God. I'm happy that I'm Muslim but I am absolutely sure of the fact that if someone with a very convincing argument came about and tried to prove he was God, I would reject the offer to follow him simply because leaving the religion of your forefathers is not an easy thing to do.
 
TM Riddle said:
Explain . And in English please , if you will
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"superstitions" -> materialism is the most unconvincing of all superstitions ; it replaces God with a God without attributes of divinity ; it's a fetishism of causality ;

"bigotry" -> liberalism is organic and institutional bigotry, because it posits itself as the lone truth, it's an epistemological genocide which legitimizes bombings Afghans "to liberate Afghan women" ;

"sectarian" -> there's no more sectarianism because there are no more identities ; only disclassed atoms with only one aim in life (not even existence) : to become consumers and further nurture the capitalist system (the economic companion of what liberalism is in ideology) ;

"gross human right violations" -> on the outside, the West has been the cruellest force (look at how the US used napalm in half of the world ; look at how they methodically destroyed Iraq in the 90s through embargo's, unleashing miseries which have rarely been equalled in pre modern times) ; on the inside, the West creates dysfunctional individualities which commit suicides by the thousands - meet someone from a tradiitonal society in Africa or Asia, and tell him/her that in some parts of the world, peoples kill themselves, peoples die in cars, ... all of that by the tens of thousands, you'll be the one "superstitious" for him/her ;

"pathetic condition of women" -> yes because being a sexualized object under the diktats of capitalism is so feminist ;

I tried to answer you in few words, but all of this would need books.

Don't tell me you as a Rajput accept Hitchens.
 
captain.hansolo said:
lets approach this another way:

could any of the theists please help design a falsifiable experiment that can establish the existence of a god, or gods?
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You can't prove or disprove the existence of god,you don't need any falsifiable experiment that can establish his existence because itsn't a matter of science but rather a matter of faith.
 
captain.hansolo said:
you dont get to pull this nonsense. if you believe is baby jesus, you need to own the whole literature.
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Lol no I don't,I believe in a creator why do i need to believe in religion for that. I can have faith in my religious prayers ,but i don't have to prove them to you coz I don't believe in them myself.
 
troodon said:
Your presumption that who created the world itself is wrong.

If everything needs a creator, who created God?

God must not have appeared out of the blue. God needs a mommy and daddy too.

If you say God has always been there, then it is wrong. God needs to be created too.
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Bro understand what I am trying to say:

"there has to be some divine entity outside of the laws of the universe that can create and destroy mass."

Which means that God is different. The concept of creation was made by Him.
 
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troodon said:
Your presumption that who created the world itself is wrong.

If everything needs a creator, who created God?

God must not have appeared out of the blue. God needs a mommy and daddy too.

If you say God has always been there, then it is wrong. God needs to be created too.
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BRO, if God has to be created then there's nothing like calling something God, its another creature.

Why is it that people have to take reproduction as the only example?

I tell you why, because you are a human, and you strictly believe in the STUPID WORLD OF SCIENCE, you relate everything to the creatures that you can see and are under the command of your brain (i.e you can understand their existence) because you are superior to them and if you ask a lion the same, he won't be able to since his brain is inferior to you and the same goes for god, you cannot understand his existence.

Not every living thing needs to have a parent, if so, I can write a list of 99999 things and then you start proving it to me, that how did each and everyone of it was produced by the UTTERLY FAILED BIG BANG THEORY.

To understand the existence of God, stop feeling superior to him by proving his existence.
 
TM Riddle said:
And East with its superstitions , bigotry , sectarian and communal differences , gross human right violations , pathetic condition of women etc continues to shine as a beacon of hope for every nation to look forward and emulate to , isn't that brother @enkidu?
Oh I guess not.Because we have forgotten the true message , indulging in corrupt practices (brought to us by the 'evil' west of course) as prophesied by some obscure philosopher from Armenia in 17th century who predicted this downfall because Satan and Santa Claus and existentialism bla bla Donald trump Rolling stones sympathy for the devil .
Give it a rest already .
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That's not what Islam taught though is it?
 
itsme said:
Was just posting in a previous thread and it just give me the idea to ask you why I am not judging, debating or anything just curious.
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I don't disbelieve the God hypothesis, but there are more parsimonious explanations for the universe so I apply Occam's Razor and follow those.
 
The older I get the less I am involved in religion due to a lot of the silliness involved, Imo most religions preach the same thing and that is morals and a way to understand the world for a more ancient group of people.

In this day and age I see religion slowly taking a backseat.

Personally I believe in God for two reasons,

firstly because I believe there is an intelligence associated with how the universe operates, especially on Earth, where everything syncs perfectly whether it is animals (including humans), trees, there is a cycle. The idea that all this intelligence is just by chance isn't a good enough explanation.

Secondly because the idea of this intelligence overarching the universe has not been disproved as of yet.
 
enkidu_ said:
Because the belief in God is the only grammar which rationalizes the language of universal existence ; to be a believer, esp. in our times, is a a courageous aesthetic manifest against a world which has lost all its poetic potentialities, by replacing every sign of God with a Satanic simulacrum (the influential and prolific French philosopher Michel Serres talks of how "angels" have been replaced by "technologies" in one of his books - back then you went to the local priest or prayed a saint, now you go to the treacherous pharmaceutical industries, find consolation in your iPhone - when not drugs - to fight your existential angst, ... the odyssey of the so called "liberated" "modern" "man".)

The modern West is a good laboratory of a godless society (infantile materialism, hedonistic philosophies, degraded morality, etc)
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So, nothing substantive?
 
super hitter said:
BRO, if God has to be created then there's nothing like calling something God, its another creature.

Why is it that people have to take reproduction as the only example?

I tell you why, because you are a human, and you strictly believe in the STUPID WORLD OF SCIENCE, you relate everything to the creatures that you can see and are under the command of your brain (i.e you can understand their existence) because you are superior to them and if you ask a lion the same, he won't be able to since his brain is inferior to you and the same goes for god, you cannot understand his existence.

Not every living thing needs to have a parent, if so, I can write a list of 99999 things and then you start proving it to me, that how did each and everyone of it was produced by the UTTERLY FAILED BIG BANG THEORY.

To understand the existence of God, stop feeling superior to him by proving his existence.
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So, just accept what has been imposed on you?
 
Rayyman said:
Bro understand what I am trying to say:

"there has to be some divine entity outside of the laws of the universe that can create and destroy mass."

Which means that God is different. The concept of creation was made by Him.
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Or it's a completely different entity.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that such an entity is as described by organised religion. An entity which conveniently ordaines all the things that suit the needs of its orator on Earth.
 
TM Riddle said:
Because our parents told us to.
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This.

Having been raised in a religious environment it became too sickening at some point for me and that's when I stopped believing. Being forced to pray, all this "leaving it to god" etc is just too much for me after having done my own research and scientific knowledge.
 
I believe in God so I can come on forums like this one and give the atheists something to pass their time with.
 
s28 said:
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And it's relevance?
 
miandadrules said:
So, just accept what has been imposed on you?
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Rest is up to you.

If you think atheism is better than monotheism, and the universe was just made by accident then I may call it stupid from my point of view but at the end of the day, every person has his/ her own perception.
 
super hitter said:
Rest is up to you.

If you think atheism is better than monotheism, and the universe was just made by accident then I may call it stupid from my point of view but at the end of the day, every person has his/ her own perception.
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Stupid based on what exactly?

It isn't necessarily about atheism but you believing the version of events that was imposed on your ancestors.

What profound reasoning have you provided that would lead one to conclude it is stupid?
 
For me the question always comes back to:

"If nothing happens without God's will, then why does God make the innocent newborn or babies suffer since the suffering must then be caused by God will?"

Or even "Why doesn't God prevent the suffering?"

And to those who claim that it's "A test from God", I ask "What aspect of the newborn is God testing by making (or allowing) the innocent newborn to suffer?"


I was a very devout Muslim until I could not reconcile this any more as I grew older.
 
miandadrules said:
Stupid based on what exactly?

It isn't necessarily about atheism but you believing the version of events that was imposed on your ancestors.

What profound reasoning have you provided that would lead one to conclude it is stupid?
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Alright.

If you see a stone lying somewhere; where did it came from? who made it? Inexplicable, isn't it!

Similarly, earth is an inexplicable object, just greater in size, and then comes the whole universe! Can you explain from where did they originate? It needs an explanation. And that can certainly not be natural because nature cannot cause itself anymore, not more then the universe, just like the man cannot be his own father and that concludes to the existence of God who is supernatural, independent of time, space and material.

Scientists have failed to back there ideology of the fact that the universe has no beginning and you can go back and back and that there is no end to it which means there was a beginning to it and that can only be possible in case of the existence of God who doesn't depend on space, time etc.

The existence of mankind is something related to the DNA molecule that has way more information than the encyclopedias, and saying that it was just by chance is a complete nonsense, their must be a mind behind it and it should not necessarily be a brain; mistaking Gods attributes with humanly features can mislead you and again the conclusion is that the mind behind the information that YOU HAVE, that you've been taught by another person etc. is a pure indication of Gods existence.

Quran is certainly the most accurate book to prove the laws of nature, [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] may help
 
An interesting theory I have encountered is that there was once an omnipotent Creator, but even if it viewed itself as indestructible, it was in fact not eternal, and was either killed suddenly by an unforeseeable cataclysm (ie the Big Bang) or died of old age.

This malevolent world within an infinite universe is what it left us with.

Such a theory explains both the incredible physical balance and beauty of Everything, but also the dead silence and comprehensive non-interventionism of a so-called Supreme Being.
 
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James said:
An interesting theory I have encountered is that there was once an omnipotent Creator, but even if it viewed itself as indestructible, it was in fact not eternal, and was either killed suddenly by an unforeseeable cataclysm (ie the Big Bang) or died of old age.

This malevolent world within an infinite universe is what it left us with.

Such a theory explains both the incredible physical balance and beauty of Everything, but also the dead silence and comprehensive non-interventionism of a so-called Supreme Being.
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I liked the one explained in the Stephen King Novel "It" about turtle and It and both coming from an old entity which probably is dead or just gone.
 
Everybody believes in God, some just live in denial. In times of extreme hardship, when all is lost, everyone openly or within turns to God for help.

I believe in God because Islam makes the most sense to me over any other ideology or explanation for our existence.
 
super hitter said:
Alright.

If you see a stone lying somewhere; where did it came from? who made it? Inexplicable, isn't it!

Similarly, earth is an inexplicable object, just greater in size, and then comes the whole universe! Can you explain from where did they originate? It needs an explanation. And that can certainly not be natural because nature cannot cause itself anymore, not more then the universe, just like the man cannot be his own father and that concludes to the existence of God who is supernatural, independent of time, space and material.

Scientists have failed to back there ideology of the fact that the universe has no beginning and you can go back and back and that there is no end to it which means there was a beginning to it and that can only be possible in case of the existence of God who doesn't depend on space, time etc.

The existence of mankind is something related to the DNA molecule that has way more information than the encyclopedias, and saying that it was just by chance is a complete nonsense, their must be a mind behind it and it should not necessarily be a brain; mistaking Gods attributes with humanly features can mislead you and again the conclusion is that the mind behind the information that YOU HAVE, that you've been taught by another person etc. is a pure indication of Gods existence.

Quran is certainly the most accurate book to prove the laws of nature, [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] may help
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How is that an indication of God? Especially the God of the Quran?

Why "must" there be a mind behind it?

Why "must" it be Allah that is beyond our rules and not some other entity of which we are a byproduct?

How is the probability of us occurring by chance complete nonesense?

Please prove to a greater extent than the scientific method, which you mock, that the Quran accurately proves the laws of nature.

And why you believe in the version stated in the Quran than other theologies?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Everybody believes in God, some just live in denial. In times of extreme hardship, when all is lost, everyone openly or within turns to God for help.

I believe in God because Islam makes the most sense to me over any other ideology or explanation for our existence.
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Which other ideologies have you studied in depth?

Please provide evidence that evrybody including those in denial believe in God and all turn to him during times of hardship.
 
TM Riddle said:
I liked the one explained in the Stephen King Novel "It" about turtle and It and both coming from an old entity which probably is dead or just gone.
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It makes sense. If in the Beginning there was a Creator, he was likely made of a particular matter, and he could only make other things from that source matter. Eventually he will become absorbed into a grand amassing of evolved matter that outgrows him and destroys him - although as the original Source, the Universe will ultimately fold back into him, and end with him as it started. (Neo-Platonic idea of The One)
 
miandadrules said:
Which other ideologies have you studied in depth?

Please provide evidence that evrybody including those in denial believe in God and all turn to him during times of hardship.
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I wouldn't say in detail as most of the others made no sense early on but Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Atheist logic to name some.

It's an opinion. When people are on the verge of death or disaster for themselves of a loved one and there is no help in sight, they turn to God.

An interesting case here.

The British backpacker who survived 12 days after getting lost in the Australian bush today revealed how he had prayed to God for help, written goodbye notes to his family and thought he faced a "long, painful starvation death" during his ordeal.

"I am not a particularly religious person but I started thinking about God and was praying, saying surely, surely you can move the helicopter an inch and find me
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/19/australia
 
James said:
It makes sense. If in the Beginning there was a Creator, he was likely made of a particular matter, and he could only make other things from that source matter. Eventually he will become absorbed into a grand amassing of evolved matter that outgrows him and destroys him - although as the original Source, the Universe will ultimately fold back into him, and end with him as it started. (Neo-Platonic idea of The One)
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Read up on the school of Advaita Vedanta and oneness of Atman and Brahman.
 
James said:
An interesting theory I have encountered is that there was once an omnipotent Creator, but even if it viewed itself as indestructible, it was in fact not eternal, and was either killed suddenly by an unforeseeable cataclysm (ie the Big Bang) or died of old age.

This malevolent world within an infinite universe is what it left us with.

Such a theory explains both the incredible physical balance and beauty of Everything, but also the dead silence and comprehensive non-interventionism of a so-called Supreme Being.
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Interesting.

It just doesn't add up for me. If the Creator died then why is the universe which he created still going? I mean to create something so complex would require unimaginable power but yet he couldn't save himself?
 
The answer is simple. It is a matter of faith and faith alone. The existence of the Almighty can never be proven logically and scientifically because religion and logic/science can never reconcile. I really don't understand the point of people trying to prove their faith to others.

For this precise reason, I have stopped debating and arguing over religion. Something which I loved to do so with passion.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Interesting.

It just doesn't add up for me. If the Creator died then why is the universe which he created still going? I mean to create something so complex would require unimaginable power but yet he couldn't save himself?
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It's the irony of creation. Artificial Intelligence will probably be humanity's greatest achievement, and the crown jewel of all our creative endeavours. But this AI will probably destroy us as well, because its own intellect will outgrow our own. Hence Nietzsche's theory of "God is Dead".

Personally I believe in God, albeit as more of an idea than a being. Scientists still have not explained how something can come from nothing.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Everybody believes in God, some just live in denial. In times of extreme hardship, when all is lost, everyone openly or within turns to God for help.

I believe in God because Islam makes the most sense to me over any other ideology or explanation for our existence.
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Or thrashes around, grabbing any straw they can get hold of, hoping it holds a solution that would alleviate their plight.
 
James said:
It's the irony of creation. Artificial Intelligence will probably be humanity's greatest achievement, and the crown jewel of all our creative endeavours. But this AI will probably destroy us as well, because its own intellect will outgrow our own. Hence Nietzsche's theory of "God is Dead".

Personally I believe in God, albeit as more of an idea than a being. Scientists still have not explained how something can come from nothing.
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This then brings up the question why this being would do such a thing. Everything from a man made object to all that is in nature has a purpose. This being created all of this for no reason, no purpose?
 
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