Why Indian Hindutva supporters back Israel on Gaza bombing

[DeadlyVenom]

One of the things i have learnt on PP is to reply to people in the same coin.

The biggest beatings India has faced in its history is from the British....who landed in Gujrat originally lol.

Now you are sitting on a keyboard typing in the conqueror's language criticising other people for wearing the garb of the conqueror.

Even trolling needs to have some limits yaar.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes we know why? They were going to evict Palestinian families and they feared the consequences of their Apartheid policies. As much as you guys want to hang on to the coat tails of the Zionists, those Eastern European Jews see you as smelly brown people.

They dont fear consequences of bombing but fear consequences of evicting 6 families?

As much as you guys want Indians to think poorly about the jews, they have widespread support in India and that isn't going to change according to the biased views of pakistanis.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The biggest beatings India has faced in its history is from the British....who landed in Gujrat originally lol.

Now you are sitting on a keyboard typing in the conqueror's language criticising other people for wearing the garb of the conqueror.

Even trolling needs to have some limits yaar.

When the British came to India, they ruled over ancestors of Indians,Pakistanis and Bangladeshis alike.

I don't know in which parallel world pakistanis think that only the territory that is India, was conquered and ruled.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I remember a raft of newspaper articles 2-3 years ago mentioning how Hitler and the Nazis were massively supported in India. This is from 3-4 years ago, I'll try and find them again as it's interesting to see how much the situation has (allegedly) changed.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

When the British came to India, they ruled over ancestors of Indians,Pakistanis and Bangladeshis alike.

I don't know in which parallel world pakistanis think that only the territory that is India, was conquered and ruled.

I didn't mention anything about what is Pakistan not being conquered by the British. I was merely pointing out the parallel world you live in when the biggest phainta that India faced wasn't from the current Pakistan side but started in Gujrat and the language of that particular conqueror is how you chose to communicate while trolling others for being conquered.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians are entitled to support who they want in this matter.

Some of the reactions from Israelis telling them to eff off and not put the Indian flag next to the Indian flag on twitter etc are hilarious though.

Ultimately in the grand scheme of things India is insignificant in the ME. Israel will charge on or without Indian "support". I doubt any right wing Israelis really care what poor Hindus have to say. They have bigger goals and bigger lobbies.

Yes unknown origin anonymous twitter handles are reflection of what Israelis think. How many have you met? If one travels to hill stations in India you can often meet Israelis. One of the first things they say that, India is the land that has no history of persecution of jews.

I doubt a Pakistani will know much about a israeli jew. Israel is backed by most of the major economic and military powers in the world, India among them. Israel worked hard, going out of its way to cultivate good relationship with India. It was foolish of us to not have official diplomatic relations till 1992.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I remember a raft of newspaper articles 2-3 years ago mentioning how Hitler and the Nazis were massively supported in India. This is from 3-4 years ago, I'll try and find them again as it's interesting to see how much the situation has (allegedly) changed.

The axis powers supported India's freedom struggle and even financed the INA. I am not aware of any atrocity that they carried out in India. But i am very well aware of the atrocities committed by the brits and the millions who died because of Churchill.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The axis powers supported India's freedom struggle and even financed the INA. I am not aware of any atrocity that they carried out in India. But i am very well aware of the atrocities committed by the brits and the millions who died because of Churchill.

Thats fair enough but its quite strange for the same people to have reverance for both nazis and jews. Either they are stupid or confused....or just caught up looking for heroes in other nations.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yes unknown origin anonymous twitter handles are reflection of what Israelis think. How many have you met? If one travels to hill stations in India you can often meet Israelis. One of the first things they say that, India is the land that has no history of persecution of jews.

I doubt a Pakistani will know much about a israeli jew. Israel is backed by most of the major economic and military powers in the world, India among them. Israel worked hard, going out of its way to cultivate good relationship with India. It was foolish of us to not have official diplomatic relations till 1992.

These alleged jews you are meeting in the hills have quite daft observations. Its quite obvious that India has no historic persecution of jews...not because of good nature of the Hindus but just because there were minimal jewish people that ever inhabited the country.

I doubt the Israelis are willing to make deep friendships with India over such trivialities.

Israel is backed by the US. The supposed 'backing' by India is irrelevant to their progress or might, despite what the Jews you are meeting on mountains may say to you. If India vanished tomorrow it would have no impact on Israel.

This is a one way relationship, fuelled solely by bigotry.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thats fair enough but its quite strange for the same people to have reverance for both nazis and jews. Either they are stupid or confused....or just caught up looking for heroes in other nations.

There is no reverence. Only acknowledgement of the help that was received.

 

[Bewal Express]

They dont fear consequences of bombing but fear consequences of evicting 6 families?

As much as you guys want Indians to think poorly about the jews, they have widespread support in India and that isn't going to change according to the biased views of pakistanis.

Because this is quite literally a battle for survival. The evictions are death by a 1000 cuts. Look at the map of the west Bank and you will understand.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

 

[RexRex]

I remember a raft of newspaper articles 2-3 years ago mentioning how Hitler and the Nazis were massively supported in India. This is from 3-4 years ago, I'll try and find them again as it's interesting to see how much the situation has (allegedly) changed.

You know who supported Hitler? The Grand Mufti of Palestine in 1940s - who was the leader of the Arabs in Palestine. He wanted Hitler to wipe out all the Jews in Israel.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

You know who supported Hitler? The Grand Mufti of Palestine in 1940s - who was the leader of the Arabs in Palestine. He wanted Hitler to wipe out all the Jews in Israel.

that is not true. Stop spreading fake news.

Hitler and he met but this was definitely not suggested. Netanyahu said this few years ago and he was criticized by everyone including Germany

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

You know who supported Hitler? The Grand Mufti of Palestine in 1940s - who was the leader of the Arabs in Palestine. He wanted Hitler to wipe out all the Jews in Israel.

Shame on you. Also there wasn’t even any Israel at the time they met so I don’t even know what you’re smoking that your timelines are that off

 

[RexRex]

Shame on you. Also there wasn’t even any Israel at the time they met so I don’t even know what you’re smoking that your timelines are that off

You are being semantic now. By Israel, I meant the Palestine that existed back then that the British had promised to partition into two new states.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

You are being semantic now. By Israel, I meant the Palestine that existed back then that the British had promised to partition into two new states.

Yea you gotta be semantic when someone’s lying. Lol at Grand Mufti wanting to wipe out Jews anywhere let alone Palestine. Netanyahu said that and was made fun of by everyone including Germans lol

 

[RexRex]

Yea you gotta be semantic when someone’s lying. Lol at Grand Mufti wanting to wipe out Jews anywhere let alone Palestine. Netanyahu said that and was made fun of by everyone including Germans lol

Netanyahu said something else. He said Grand Mufti of Palestine caused the Holocasut. That is not what I said, read again.

Grand Mufti in his own words -

Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free
hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I
asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish
problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and
according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the han-
dling of its Jews. The answer I got was: “The Jews are yours.”

 

[Zaz]

Netanyahu said something else. He said Grand Mufti of Palestine caused the Holocasut. That is not what I said, read again.

Grand Mufti in his own words -

Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free
hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I
asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish
problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and
according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the han-
dling of its Jews. The answer I got was: “The Jews are yours.”

Yes he wanted the jews expelled from the arab land thats not hidden And wanted hitlers help in defeating the british would help him do that

It was a national cause after all he could see what the nefarious designs the british had and wanted the jewish immigration to be stopped and land transfers to Jews prohibited

It was purely political alliance the enemy of my enemy is my friend

Much like the indian subhash chandra bose visiting hitler in 1941 Any thoughts on that??

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Yea, people on our western frontier were easily conquered. Then they changed themselves into the clothes of the invaders and started thinking they were conquerors. What a relief they are not part of my country anymore.

Not only western frontier. Its all over India.
In UP for instance, there is a huge muslim population.

Choosing a religion is not the same thing as the changing into clothes of the conqueror, its a choice and natural progression of the human society. No religion (or culture or language) was there since the beginning of the time.

 

[RexRex]

Yes he wanted the jews expelled from the arab land thats not hidden And wanted hitlers help in defeating the british would help him do that

It was a national cause after all he could see what the nefarious designs the british had and wanted the jewish immigration to be stopped and land transfers to Jews prohibited

Why are you defending the Grand Mufti after I just provided a quote of his where he says he wants to get rid of Jews in Palestine by putting them in concentration camps and gas chambers ?
.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why are you defending the Grand Mufti after I just provided a quote of his where he says he wants to get rid of Jews in Palestine by putting them in concentration camps and gas chambers ?
.

He died a long time ago.

But lets see how much you really know.

Do you agree with Netanayhau, Hitler wanted to expel Jews but the Mufti changed his mind to exterminate them?

 

[RexRex]

Do you agree with Netanayhau, Hitler wanted to expel Jews but the Mufti changed his mind to exterminate them?

I don't agree with Benjamin, I doubt the Mufti had any extra influence on this issue. I think Hitler had his own reasons to kill Jews mostly because he was a virulent anti-semite as he had bad personal experiences with them in his younger days. I am sure you can read Mein Kampf and understand his motivations.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't agree with Benjamin, I doubt the Mufti had any extra influence on this issue. I think Hitler had his own reasons to kill Jews mostly because he was a virulent anti-semite as he had bad personal experiences with them in his younger days. I am sure you can read Mein Kampf and understand his motivations.

The mufti had little influence, he only sided with Hitler because he knew the British were going to give his land to another people and suggested Arab nationalism to rise. Hitler disagreed and told him not for many reasons but one was Hitler also worked with Zionists. So this argument of the Mufti is lame, Zionists had far better relationships with Hitler.

 

[RexRex]

So this argument of the Mufti is lame, Zionists had far better relationships with Hitler.

Which Zionists? David-Ben Gurion ? Yitzhak Rabin ? Ariel Sharon ? Shimon Peres ? Was it anyone of consequence or some obscure German Zionist who had a chit chat with Hitler one afternoon ?

The Mufti said he wanted gas Jews and put them in concentration camps, which only shows his vile mindset .. and you think that is lame ?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Which Zionists? David-Ben Gurion ? Yitzhak Rabin ? Ariel Sharon ? Shimon Peres ? Was it anyone of consequence or some obscure German Zionist who had a chit chat with Hitler one afternoon ?

The Mufti said he wanted gas Jews and put them in concentration camps, which only shows his vile mindset .. and you think that is lame ?

Its lame thinking he had any influence.

Zionist Federation of Germany and Hitler, please educate yourself. They had a bigger influence than anyhone of the names you mentioned. You are clueless of them but know about the Mufti lol

 

[RexRex]

Zionist Federation of Germany and Hitler, please educate yourself.

Who cares? He still went on to butcher 6 million Jews, didn't he? That shows what respect he had for Jews/Zionists or any agreement he might have had with them.

Also, your minimising and casual dismissal of the murderous anti-Jew bigotry of the Grand Mufti, the most important Arab leader in Palestine in the 30s and 40s, is very revealing about you.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Who cares? He still went on to butcher 6 million Jews, didn't he? That shows what respect he had for Jews/Zionists or any agreement he might have had with them.

Also, your minimising and casual dismissal of the murderous anti-Jew bigotry of the Grand Mufti, the most important Arab leader in Palestine in the 30s and 40s, is very revealing about you.

Im not minimsing , im saying he had NO influence.

You clearly need a lot of basic education on the subject. The Zionist Federation of Germany inc the highest Rabbis in the world, they made a deal with Hitler to send Jews to Palestine, knowing once arrived they would become a militia and butcher people, raising villages to the ground. This is the significant part of history, not the Mufti.

The fact you dont know anything about this, shows you are merely parrating Zionist arguments.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Who cares? He still went on to butcher 6 million Jews, didn't he? That shows what respect he had for Jews/Zionists or any agreement he might have had with them.

Also, your minimising and casual dismissal of the murderous anti-Jew bigotry of the Grand Mufti, the most important Arab leader in Palestine in the 30s and 40s, is very revealing about you.

The fact that you’re calling that exiled Arab as the most important Arab leader in the 1930s and 1940s shows how clueless you are about the situation.

This mufti was a nobody with almost zero influence and if you think he had any impact on Hitler’s motivations then you’re clutching at straws.

 

[Mamoon]

Probably the same reason why Pakistanis ignore the ethnic genocide of Muslims in Xinjiang China.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Probably the same reason why Pakistanis ignore the ethnic genocide of Muslims in Xinjiang China.

It can't be the same reason, because ignoring is not the same as supporting.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Who told you only hindu nationalists support Israel?

I didn't say only Hindu Nationalist support Israel. However the OP in this thread is specifically about support of Israel among Hindutva supporters.

I mean some people can try to console themselves by thinking that only a sub sect of a particular religion supports Israel, but actually the support is far wider. Just like some think that only Modi and Bjp is responsible for the poor indo pak relationship. Where as in reality, Modi's pakistan policy has widespread support among Indians.

Israel is a friendly country, a very reliable ally. It has helped India in two wars. In one they even supplied India from their own reserves. I see no reason Indians wont support a country with whom our national interests ally.

Indians can support Israel, I certainly have no problem with it. Thats absolutely their prerogative. However support for Israel seems stronger among Hindu Nationalist than other Indians, so the topic of this thread is worthy of discussion.

 

[Zaz]

The Mufti said he wanted gas Jews and put them in concentration camps, which only shows his vile mindset .. and you think that is lame ?

Where did he say that in actual words?

He wanted the jews rid from his lands Yes Gassed or killed No

 

[Zaz]

Netanyahu said something else. He said Grand Mufti of Palestine caused the Holocasut. That is not what I said, read again.

Grand Mufti in his own words -

Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free
hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I
asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish
problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and
according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the han-
dling of its Jews. The answer I got was: “The Jews are yours.”

Thats an incorrect quote attributed to him as we know why

Whats the source for this ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I didn't say only Hindu Nationalist support Israel. However the OP in this thread is specifically about support of Israel among Hindutva supporters.



Indians can support Israel, I certainly have no problem with it. Thats absolutely their prerogative. However support for Israel seems stronger among Hindu Nationalist than other Indians, so the topic of this thread is worthy of discussion.

How did you deduce that Hindu nationalists have stronger support for Israel?

Nationalism is what holds India together. Thats the common thread that binds a tamilian to a bengali to a bihari to a gujarati to a Kashmiri. To say that hindus are the only nationalist is wrong.

Its difficult for a pakistani to understand this idea as the thread that holds pakistan together is religion. And it would be difficult for any Indian to understand the same.

 

[IMMY69]

How did you deduce that Hindu nationalists have stronger support for Israel?

Nationalism is what holds India together. Thats the common thread that binds a tamilian to a bengali to a bihari to a gujarati to a Kashmiri. To say that hindus are the only nationalist is wrong.

Its difficult for a pakistani to understand this idea as the thread that holds pakistan together is religion. And it would be difficult for any Indian to understand the same.

Hindu nationalism as opposed to Indian nationalism.

 

[RexRex]

This mufti was a nobody with almost zero influence

In post #177, you said 'How dare you, Mufti did not want to kill Jews in Palestine. That's a lie'. After I showed you his exact words on this, you shifted goalposts and said 'It doesn't matter. Mufti was a man with no influence in Palestine. '

Haha. You are one duplicitous fellow

 

[RexRex]

Thats an incorrect quote attributed to him as we know why

Whats the source for this ?

Why do think this is a false quote? Because it too shocking ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How did you deduce that Hindu nationalists have stronger support for Israel?

Nationalism is what holds India together. Thats the common thread that binds a tamilian to a bengali to a bihari to a gujarati to a Kashmiri. To say that hindus are the only nationalist is wrong.

Its difficult for a pakistani to understand this idea as the thread that holds pakistan together is religion. And it would be difficult for any Indian to understand the same.

It might be difficult for a Pakistani to understand as they are used to plain speaking, but for a British citizen it is very easy. What Indians refer to as nationalism is usually just a convenient front for promoting hinduism. Nothing wrong with that per se, but you should get off your high horse about Pakistan viewing everything through lens of religion when you have voted in a hindutva party to govern your country.

 

[Zaz]

Why do think this is a false quote? Because it too shocking ?

Because youve not supported it with a reliable source

Anybody can post anything but it doesnt make it true

Please cite a credible point of reference

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

In post #177, you said 'How dare you, Mufti did not want to kill Jews in Palestine. That's a lie'. After I showed you his exact words on this, you shifted goalposts and said 'It doesn't matter. Mufti was a man with no influence in Palestine. '

Haha. You are one duplicitous fellow

You are lying. You didn’t source those words. I don’t see them anywhere except a nondescript Israeli website

And in any case thus mufti is a nobody. Lol at you thinking that having a fancy title equates to influence

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Why do think this is a false quote? Because it too shocking ?

Because no credible publication or website carries it. When this whole Netanyahu issue blew up you would have expected us i locations to reference this quote if this had any credibility. But there’s no such references.

This really is hilarious. Firstly you’re calling an exiled man of no influence “most important Arab of the 1930s.” And on top of that lie you’re attributing fake quotes.

I really hope Netanyahu throws Indians some bones for their steadfast social media support tho lol. Or Atleast gives some acknowledgement haha. Unpaid internships suck I hear.

 

[El Generico]

Because no credible publication or website carries it. When this whole Netanyahu issue blew up you would have expected us i locations to reference this quote if this had any credibility. But there’s no such references.

This really is hilarious. Firstly you’re calling an exiled man of no influence “most important Arab of the 1930s.” And on top of that lie you’re attributing fake quotes.

I really hope Netanyahu throws Indians some bones for their steadfast social media support tho lol. Or At least gives some acknowledgement haha. Unpaid internships suck I hear.

Yeah seeing how hard [MENTION=29115]RexRex[/MENTION] is working it would be a travesty if him and his fellow Indian social media warriors don't get at least some recognition from from Netanyahu.

Also I agree the quote seems fake and is likely lifted of some obscure propaganda site.

 

[Local.Dada]

Hindu nationalism as opposed to Indian nationalism.

What is wrong with Hindu nationalism?

Also all of a sudden Indian nationalism has become this great ideal?

So you mean to say that you admit before 2014 India was a model country for secularism that Pakistan should model itself on? Then wouldn’t that nullify the fact that Muslims can’t coexist with Hindus the principle on which Pakistan was founded?

Indian nationalism and secularism exists because India is a Hindu majority country. Can you show me a secular Islamic country?

You can’t complain of Jewish or Hindu nationalism while defending theory that Islam doesn’t believe in secular laws for the minorities case in point- Iran,Iraq,Pakistan etc etc etc etc etc

 

[IMMY69]

What is wrong with Hindu nationalism?

Also all of a sudden Indian nationalism has become this great ideal?

So you mean to say that you admit before 2014 India was a model country for secularism that Pakistan should model itself on? Then wouldn’t that nullify the fact that Muslims can’t coexist with Hindus the principle on which Pakistan was founded?

Indian nationalism and secularism exists because India is a Hindu majority country. Can you show me a secular Islamic country?

You can’t complain of Jewish or Hindu nationalism while defending theory that Islam doesn’t believe in secular laws for the minorities case in point- Iran,Iraq,Pakistan etc etc etc etc etc

One word "CONTEXT"

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What is wrong with Hindu nationalism?

Also all of a sudden Indian nationalism has become this great ideal?

So you mean to say that you admit before 2014 India was a model country for secularism that Pakistan should model itself on? Then wouldn’t that nullify the fact that Muslims can’t coexist with Hindus the principle on which Pakistan was founded?

Indian nationalism and secularism exists because India is a Hindu majority country. Can you show me a secular Islamic country?

You can’t complain of Jewish or Hindu nationalism while defending theory that Islam doesn’t believe in secular laws for the minorities case in point- Iran,Iraq,Pakistan etc etc etc etc etc

Islamic countries don't claim to be secular.

 

[El Generico]

What is wrong with Hindu nationalism?

Also all of a sudden Indian nationalism has become this great ideal?

So you mean to say that you admit before 2014 India was a model country for secularism that Pakistan should model itself on? Then wouldn’t that nullify the fact that Muslims can’t coexist with Hindus the principle on which Pakistan was founded?

Indian nationalism and secularism exists because India is a Hindu majority country. Can you show me a secular Islamic country?

You can’t complain of Jewish or Hindu nationalism while defending theory that Islam doesn’t believe in secular laws for the minorities case in point- Iran,Iraq,Pakistan etc etc etc etc etc

How can a country be both Islamic and secular? If you mean secular Muslim majority country then aren’t countries like Turkey, Azberbaijan and Bosnia secular? There are few others as well.

 

[Local.Dada]

How can a country be both Islamic and secular? If you mean secular Muslim majority country then aren’t countries like Turkey, Azberbaijan and Bosnia secular? There are few others as well.

You might have a point about Turkey back in the day but no one calls Bosnia and Azerbaijan model countries.

So if a country can’t be Islamic and secular at the same time then if you agree with that statement then you should be sympathetic to other religions having a similar compatibility issue. Don’t need sermons on what secularism should look like.

Everyone has various levels of tolerance to things. Just because I might be scared to go to certain minority areas during a certain time of the day doesn’t make me racist. It is just common sense.

For example If a Muslim family celebrates bakri eid in their house, no one should have a problem with it. In fact a lot of Hindus including me used to go to our Muslim friends house for the feast. However if some guy bleeds a goat to death in front of my property, I am not going to be tolerant to his secular rights, I am going to confront the person for defacing my property. At that point it isn’t about secularism any more. It becomes about a guy trying to irritate and provoke me. You may try to find a similar equivalence of a Hindu pushing around a Muslim family. I am sure those exist as well and my opinion is the same. Not sure you will find too many such incidents in Pakistan though where a small slip of tounge can be punishable by death under blasphemy laws.

Any way this secularism loophole and the sermons a lot of people give on this topic here amuses me.

Yes majority of Hindus and Indians for the matter of fact are still secular and will Always remain that way even if Yogi or someone even more extreme becomes the PM. Their levels of tolerance may differ. That’s about it.

 

[El Generico]

You might have a point about Turkey back in the day but no one calls Bosnia and Azerbaijan model countries.

So if a country can’t be Islamic and secular at the same time then if you agree with that statement then you should be sympathetic to other religions having a similar compatibility issue. Don’t need sermons on what secularism should look like.

Everyone has various levels of tolerance to things. Just because I might be scared to go to certain minority areas during a certain time of the day doesn’t make me racist. It is just common sense.

For example If a Muslim family celebrates bakri eid in their house, no one should have a problem with it. In fact a lot of Hindus including me used to go to our Muslim friends house for the feast. However if some guy bleeds a goat to death in front of my property, I am not going to be tolerant to his secular rights, I am going to confront the person for defacing my property. At that point it isn’t about secularism any more. It becomes about a guy trying to irritate and provoke me. You may try to find a similar equivalence of a Hindu pushing around a Muslim family. I am sure those exist as well and my opinion is the same. Not sure you will find too many such incidents in Pakistan though where a small slip of tounge can be punishable by death under blasphemy laws.

Any way this secularism loophole and the sermons a lot of people give on this topic here amuses me.

Yes majority of Hindus and Indians for the matter of fact are still secular and will Always remain that way even if Yogi or someone even more extreme becomes the PM. Their levels of tolerance may differ. That’s about it.

Never said they were ideal or models but they are secular. In fact countries like Turkey, Bosnia and Azerbaijan are way more secular then India considering at least the government does not police people’s diet based on religious beliefs. Pork is forbidden in Islam but I don’t think anyone gets arrested or lynched in those countries for eating pork. In fact even alcohol is freely available in those countries.

I don’t get your Bakra Eid example, in India do people slaughter the animals on other people’s property without their consent? Your example seems like a strawman, has anyone ever said that Muslims should be allowed to deface property to justify secularism?

 

[Local.Dada]

Never said they were ideal or models but they are secular. In fact countries like Turkey, Bosnia and Azerbaijan are way more secular then India considering at least the government does not police people’s diet based on religious beliefs. Pork is forbidden in Islam but I don’t think anyone gets arrested or lynched in those countries for eating pork. In fact even alcohol is freely available in those countries.

I don’t get your Bakra Eid example, in India do people slaughter the animals on other people’s property without their consent? Your example seems like a strawman, has anyone ever said that Muslims should be allowed to deface property to justify secularism?

Well the point I am making is, while one side of the story is absolutely correct that few goons might have beaten up some guy for eating beef, there is also another side to it. I have seen some Muslims throwing stones at Hindu religious processions or taunt someone by purposely eating beef.

Obviously I don’t support violence and taking law in your own hands regardless of the provocation.

However the story is not always one sided.

The fact that we find these equivalence of the minority crossing line is because the majority is for the most part passive and secular.

Weird, when Hindus don’t react, they have been subjugated and neutered for 1000’s of years but when some guys reply in a same vein with extremism albeit unacceptable, all of a sudden Hindus are extreme? When can we look for positives about the tolerance of a culture that has been a hub for diversity for more than 10000 years or even more?

Obviously no one needs any approval, but the hypocrisy is what I have an issue with. Either you are secular or sympathetic to rigid policies. Cant pick and choose where it is suitable.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

How did you deduce that Hindu nationalists have stronger support for Israel?

From social media, other forums, newspapers. As an outsider from what i can tell there is a lot more support for Israel among the BJP supporters than i do among lets say the Congress supporters.

Maybe I am wrong, and the love of Israel is equal among all Indians.

To say that hindus are the only nationalist is wrong.

No where did i say only Hindus are the only nationalist. Hindu Nationalism (Hindutva) is different than Indian Nationalism.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Well the point I am making is, while one side of the story is absolutely correct that few goons might have beaten up some guy for eating beef, there is also another side to it. I have seen some Muslims throwing stones at Hindu religious processions or taunt someone by purposely eating beef.

Obviously I don’t support violence and taking law in your own hands regardless of the provocation.

However the story is not always one sided.

The fact that we find these equivalence of the minority crossing line is because the majority is for the most part passive and secular.

Weird, when Hindus don’t react, they have been subjugated and neutered for 1000’s of years but when some guys reply in a same vein with extremism albeit unacceptable, all of a sudden Hindus are extreme? When can we look for positives about the tolerance of a culture that has been a hub for diversity for more than 10000 years or even more?

Obviously no one needs any approval, but the hypocrisy is what I have an issue with. Either you are secular or sympathetic to rigid policies. Cant pick and choose where it is suitable.

So do you think that its not OK to eat beef? If so, why don’t the same Hinduvita goons, in West don't attack the Goray for openly consuming beef. Infact Australia is a big beef exporter, so ample opportunity for you to teach em a lesson.

Also ironically India itself is a big exporter of Beef and cattle. Yeh saari Gao Mata walli Notunkiya kiya sirif religious victimisation k liay ha?

How do you know Hindus were subjugated and neutered? Many of the key posts in muslim courts were held by hindus. Many of the muslim kings were born to local hindu mothers. Muslim tradition and culture in subcontinent is very heavily influenced by the local hindu/indian custom. So much so, that many other muslims find it alien.

 

[MP2011]

So do you think that its not OK to eat beef? If so, why don’t the same Hinduvita goons, in West don't attack the Goray for openly consuming beef. Infact Australia is a big beef exporter, so ample opportunity for you to teach em a lesson.

Also ironically India itself is a big exporter of Beef and cattle. Yeh saari Gao Mata walli Notunkiya kiya sirif religious victimisation k liay ha?

How do you know Hindus were subjugated and neutered? Many of the key posts in muslim courts were held by hindus. Many of the muslim kings were born to local hindu mothers. Muslim tradition and culture in subcontinent is very heavily influenced by the local hindu/indian custom. So much so, that many other muslims find it alien.

That Hindus have been subjugated for 1000s of years is something which gets propagated a lot on WA groups I'm part of. That's why as per those bigots, its ok to teach Muslims lessons.

As for these rabid RW creatures, they don't dare to touch beef eating people in foreign lands as they don't get the same backing and support from their political masters there.

In India too, this phenomenon as recent as bigot getting throne.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hindu nationalism as opposed to Indian nationalism.

Nationalism is for a nation not a religion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

From social media, other forums, newspapers. As an outsider from what i can tell there is a lot more support for Israel among the BJP supporters than i do among lets say the Congress supporters.

Maybe I am wrong, and the love of Israel is equal among all Indians.



No where did i say only Hindus are the only nationalist. Hindu Nationalism (Hindutva) is different than Indian Nationalism.

Now you deduced who supports which party from social media posts? If that was possible elections would be online.

Nationalism is for a nation, not any religion. If its for a religion, its not nationalism.

 

[MP2011]

From social media, other forums, newspapers. As an outsider from what i can tell there is a lot more support for Israel among the BJP supporters than i do among lets say the Congress supporters.

There is lot more to India than just saffron or Congress supporters. India is a nation of approx 140 crore people.

As for support for Israel, you're correct saffronites back Israel big time due to a Muslim country (Palestine) being under the siege rather than any special affinity for Israelis. Change Palestine & Israel with any other Muslim & Jew/Christian nation respectively, their response would've still be the same.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

What is wrong with Hindu nationalism?

Fascism, what else?

 

[Local.Dada]

So do you think that its not OK to eat beef? If so, why don’t the same Hinduvita goons, in West don't attack the Goray for openly consuming beef. Infact Australia is a big beef exporter, so ample opportunity for you to teach em a lesson.

Also ironically India itself is a big exporter of Beef and cattle. Yeh saari Gao Mata walli Notunkiya kiya sirif religious victimisation k liay ha?

How do you know Hindus were subjugated and neutered? Many of the key posts in muslim courts were held by hindus. Many of the muslim kings were born to local hindu mothers. Muslim tradition and culture in subcontinent is very heavily influenced by the local hindu/indian custom. So much so, that many other muslims find it alien.

Clearly based on this and few other posts above my point went totally over people’s head. I thought I used very simple English.

Anyways personally I think it is absolutely ok to eat beef just like it is absolutely ok to eat pork or have an alcoholic beverage once in a while in moderation.

However the point was about provoking someone’s religious sensibilities. People were opening threads on this very forum about the religious implications of using hand sanitizer in a pandemic because it has alcohol in it so by that account someone having a problem with the killing of an nnocent animal sounds way more reasonable doesn’t it?

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haaretz israeli daily newspaper prints on its front page the photos of 67 children who were killed in Gaza, with the title: “this is the price of the war”. <a href="https://t.co/ek2jFWExCI">pic.twitter.com/ek2jFWExCI</a></p>— Dana Naomy Mills (@DanaNaomyMills) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanaNaomyMills/status/1397782408020234242?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 27, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[WhenSultansBowled]

Hindu RSS/Shiv Sena and similar ideologies have always admired extremism (see their praise for Hitler).

Kahanism is an extremist Jewish ideology based on the views of Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Jewish Defense League and the Kach party in Israel. Kahane maintained the view that the majority of Arabs living in Israel are enemies of Jews and Israel itself, and believed that a Jewish theocratic state, where non-Jews have no voting rights, should be created. The Kach party has been banned by the Israeli government and the U.S. State Department has labeled it a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahanism

Birds of same feather do flock together. World will move on, and all these extremist fundamentalists will simply die out.

The ironic part is, India officially supports Palestine.

 

[Local.Dada]

Fascism, what else?

Ok. Then as people have acknowledged Islam and secularism is not compatible. Not my word so don’t attack me what would you term that? At least India the Hindu majority country is still secular on paper.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hindu RSS/Shiv Sena and similar ideologies have always admired extremism (see their praise for Hitler).




Birds of same feather do flock together. World will move on, and all these extremist fundamentalists will simply die out.

The ironic part is, India officially supports Palestine.

Their supporters on Pakistani sites will dress these hindutva groups ideology up as "nationalism" and not religion, that is how duplicitous they are. They won't ever talk with a straight face. Either it's deception, or they just don't have the conviction to proclaim their veiws openly.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Ok. Then as people have acknowledged Islam and secularism is not compatible. Not my word so don’t attack me what would you term that? At least India the Hindu majority country is still secular on paper.

hein?
"Fascism is what's wrong with hindu nationalism".

How does that relate to Islam is not compatible with secularism?

And then, how am I attacking you? Are you ok?

I would rather have you talk about how the hindu nationalism can be demolished and depleted so that we could curb the growing fascism in India. This is the bigger problem.
And you being not ready to accept and address this issue, is even a bigger problem because you may be representing a portion of the Indian public that has got it all wrong when you support fascism under the guise of hindu nationalism and yet holding the flag of "India being secularist".

Apparently, India remains the only country in the world that is ruled over by saffron lungi clad religious fanatics.

 

[ChTab]

India concerned at violence in Jerusalem, possible eviction in Sheikh Jarrah

India on Thursday expressed concern at the continuing violence in Jerusalem, especially at Haram Al Sharif and other Palestinian territories, and the possible eviction of people in Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan neighbourhoods in East Jerusalem.

New Delhi’s concerns were conveyed in a statement by Indra Mani Pandey, the country’s permanent representative to the UN in Geneva, during a special session of the Human Rights Council. India also welcomed diplomatic efforts by the world community and regional countries that led to the ceasefire between Israel and armed groups in Gaza.

As with India’s statement on May 20 at the UN General Assembly debate on the question of Palestine, the statement at the UN Human Rights Council contained no reference to India’s traditional stance of supporting the “just Palestinian cause” but reiterated backing for a two-state solution.

Israel and Hamas, the Palestinian group that runs Gaza Strip, reached a ceasefire on May 20 following 11 days of hostilities that killed more than 250 Palestinians, including 66 children, and 12 people in Israel, including two children and an Indian national. The truce brokered by Egypt has been threatened by tensions over Jerusalem.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...viction-in-sheikh-jarrah-101622141221693.html

 

[RexRex]

Because youve not supported it with a reliable source

Anybody can post anything but it doesnt make it true

Please cite a credible point of reference

I got the Mufti quote from a book on the Arab-Israeli conflict written by a Harvard law professor who makes the case for Israel. Is that credible enough for you?

 

[El Generico]

I got the Mufti quote from a book on the Arab-Israeli conflict written by a Harvard law professor who makes the case for Israel. Is that credible enough for you?

What book? Why is it so hard for you to name a title and author? Just saying I got it from a book is not a source lol . Even a second grader wouldn’t just say I got it from a book to cite his source.

 

[RexRex]

What book? Why is it so hard for you to name a title and author? Just saying I got it from a book is not a source lol . Even a second grader wouldn’t just say I got it from a book to cite his source.

Book is called 'Case for Israel' by Alan Dershowitz

 

[El Generico]

Book is called 'Case for Israel' by Alan Dershowitz

Wait isn’t that the guy who has been been allegedly linked with sex trafficking and was apparently involved with Epstein? Lol what a great source.

Even disregarding that, this guy is one of Israel’s strongest advocate. Hardly an unbiased source.

 

[RexRex]

Wait isn’t that the guy who has been been allegedly linked with sex trafficking and was apparently involved with Epstein? Lol what a great source.

That's the one. He was Epstein's lawyer for the trafficking case. That's the job of a lawyer, you defend clients in a court, innocent or guilty. Especially if it's a rich client. He hasn't been involved in the shady stuff himself.

Even disregarding that, this guy is one of Israel’s strongest advocate. Hardly an unbiased source.

So you haven't even read the book and you think he made up a quote. All this tells me is that you are not interesting in learning anything new or being open-minded, only reinforcing your own blind beliefs about Israel that you got indoctrinated in. If you want to live in a bubble, that's your choice. I don't respect such people.

 

[El Generico]

That's the one. He was Epstein's lawyer for the trafficking case. That's the job of a lawyer, you defend clients in a court, innocent or guilty. Especially if it's a rich client. He hasn't been involved in the shady stuff himself.



So you haven't even read the book and you think he made up a quote. All this tells me is that you are not interesting in learning anything new or being open-minded, only reinforcing your own blind beliefs about Israel that you got indoctrinated in. If you want to live in a bubble, that's your choice. I don't respect such people.

It’s a little more than just defending Epstein isn’t ?

The 76-year-old Mr Dershowitz was recently linked to the under-age sex scandal involving convicted financier Jeffrey Epstein, who pleaded guilty to prostitution charges after being accused of arranging under-age sex partners for "politically connected and financially powerful people". The Harvard professor, along with Prince Andrew, was recently identified as participating in the sex ring by one of the women engaged in a lawsuit against the US government.

It’s funny how you don’t respect people who don’t trust biased sources but have no problem with respecting guys like this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30705703

 

[cric_man]

For our resident Hasbara peddler.
Trying to find a better resolution version of this leaked video in which Netanyahu is bragging about killing Palestinians and stealing their land. Youtube keeps taking it down, so watch ASAP.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/IQrlR5QGxD8" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[RexRex]

It’s a little more than just defending Epstein isn’t ?



It’s funny how you don’t respect people who don’t trust biased sources but have no problem with respecting guys like this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30705703

I am still waiting for you to prove that quote wrong. I think I will be waiting a long time since the only thing you can do is divert the topic to the person's alleged extracuricullar ativities which has nothing to do with his scholarship. Keep scraping the end of that barrel.

 

[finalfantasy7]

india recent vote on israel, confused india:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVmv1cYfAKY

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

india recent vote on israel, confused india:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVmv1cYfAKY

This is a slap on the face of Hindutva zealots and so called "Pakistani" neo-Zionist.

These people's hate for Pakistan/Muslims is greater than anything. What a sad state of existing.

PS: This YouTube channel "wion" or whatever is a propaganda machine against Pakistan/Muslims. The irony.

 

[IMMY69]

It’s a little more than just defending Epstein isn’t ?



It’s funny how you don’t respect people who don’t trust biased sources but have no problem with respecting guys like this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30705703

This is what you call a slam dunk!

 

[IMMY69]

I am still waiting for you to prove that quote wrong. I think I will be waiting a long time since the only thing you can do is divert the topic to the person's alleged extracuricullar ativities which has nothing to do with his scholarship. Keep scraping the end of that barrel.

Are you kidding?

You've been exposed buddy

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I am still waiting for you to prove that quote wrong. I think I will be waiting a long time since the only thing you can do is divert the topic to the person's alleged extracuricullar ativities which has nothing to do with his scholarship. Keep scraping the end of that barrel.

The quote is wrong. The only place it has been referenced is what has been termed by many commentators as a ‘propaganda piece.’ I’d like to see more mainstream and credible publications to reference it before it can be accepted.

In any case. The Mufti is a nobody and you are clutching at straws.

 

[El Generico]

I am still waiting for you to prove that quote wrong. I think I will be waiting a long time since the only thing you can do is divert the topic to the person's alleged extracuricullar ativities which has nothing to do with his scholarship. Keep scraping the end of that barrel.

Dude your only source is the word an alleged child trafficker and you think I am scraping the bottom of the barrel lol. I don't know what your standards are but I have this weird thing of not trusting people who are credibly accused of abusing children.

Anyways on top of the horrible accusations , he is also a well known propagandist for Israel. He may be educated but he is no where near credible especially when it comes to this topic.

The quote is wrong and even a middle school teacher would not accept it as a source.

 

[street cricketer]

india recent vote on israel, confused india:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVmv1cYfAKY

There's nothing confusing about the stand. The anchor seems to have a very naive black and white understanding on geopolitics. It doesn't always have to be either for or against.

India supporting an investigation against Israel on Palestine would be counterproductive for two reasons:

1. It would turn a key ally in trade and imports against India

2. It would put limelight on India's own actions in Kashmir and turn allies or even "neutral" states against them in resolutions on Kashmir.

It cannot also outrightly support Israel because India has a huge muslim population and supporting such a resolution in favour of Israel against Palestine would be disrespecting the sentiments of a significant majority of its population and would be a major shift from its traditional stance of supporting Palestine's right to exist on a historical basis.

It's also for the same reasons why India abstained from voting in resolutions on investigations into Sri Lankan war crimes against Tamil civilians in the civil war, resolution on human rights abuses against the Uyghurs in Xinjiang and now investigation into Israeli war crimes against Palestine.

 

[El Generico]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today's shameful decision is yet another example of the UN Human Rights Council's blatant anti-Israel obsession.</p>— Benjamin Netanyahu (@netanyahu) <a href="https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1397971484149178370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Just the read responses to this tweet . Do normal Indians not find this embarrassing?