Will anyone ever catch Sachin Tendulkar?

[Garuda]

Because of this



Its all good to have an opinion thinking Sachin is the best, but if he gets personal on my opinion ...
I have to start giving facts too.... dont I ?

No.

Your last post to which I commented has nothing to do with that.

 

[Hooked _for_6]

The point is not whether my outlook is prejudiced or not... the point is why cant Indian fans accept opposition of views... thats all i want... They just have to bring stats to downgrade our players... just to prove that Tendulkar is the best... thats my point..
oh btw, did i ever want my views to be Pulitzer Prize
Do i want universal popularity of my views ?
Do you really think everyone thinks Tendulkar the best there ever was because you think he is the best ?
Does it matter you are Indian or not ?
dont be so naive... Have a heart... Learn to respect opinions.
The next time Tendulkar scores an Odi century i will keep picking Bublu's statement he used... *** for TAT

I agree that those that say Lara and Ponting are ordinary players are equally wrong. Ponting in particular is very under-rated. His winning of the player of the decade is entirely justified. More runs and centuries in both Tests and ODIs over the past 10 years. Can't argue with that.

Its just that for a majority of his career Ponting has played in a side with more game changing players. As those players have retired so the performance of this team has faded (beating a poorly lead transitional Pakistani team does not reverse this decline, having just Lost the Ashes, to India and SA).

Put simply had Ponting played for India and Tendulkar for Australia, the fortune of both sides would have been the same.

Its just when you two such closely matched talents it does come down to the stats. If Ponting takes the Four Peaks (most runs and Centuries in Tests and ODI), I will fully accept he is a better player. Until then Tendulkar is better...if only by a whisker.

 

[abdul2009]

Sachin going thorugh a lean patch? Please check his average in 2009 )

I was refering to ponting as the one who was going through the lean patch

Check again

 

[abdul2009]

I agree that those that say Lara and Ponting are ordinary players are equally wrong. Ponting in particular is very under-rated. His winning of the player of the decade is entirely justified. More runs and centuries in both Tests and ODIs over the past 10 years. Can't argue with that.

Its just that for a majority of his career Ponting has played in a side with more game changing players. As those players have retired so the performance of this team has faded (beating a poorly lead transitional Pakistani team does not reverse this decline, having just Lost the Ashes, to India and SA).

Put simply had Ponting played for India and Tendulkar for Australia, the fortune of both sides would have been the same.

Its just when you two such closely matched talents it does come down to the stats. If Ponting takes the Four Peaks (most runs and Centuries in Tests and ODI), I will fully accept he is a better player. Until then Tendulkar is better...if only by a whisker.

good post!

 

[Hooked _for_6]

Because of this



Its all good to have an opinion thinking Sachin is the best, but if he gets personal on my opinion ...
I have to start giving facts too.... dont I ?

I didn't mean it to get personal. But if you make statements like...it doesn't matter if he scores 100 centuries...its then difficult to take the rest of what you say personally. Please read the reply have for a more detailed response to your points.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Okay .. Okay honey ... if that makes your day

Tendulkar the best

Moments like these, is when i close my eyes, take a smoke and hope the world and its people see what i dont

 

[Hooked _for_6]

Okay .. Okay honey ... if that makes your day

Tendulkar the best

Moments like these, is when i close my eyes, take a smoke and hope the world and its people see what i dont

Just keep your eyes open when he's playing: like Wasim bowling or Imran's captaincy, once its gone, cricket will never seem the same again. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Bobbins]

Prefer Brian Lara myself, never found Tendulkar to be that great.

 

[anakin]

Okay .. Okay honey ... if that makes your day

Tendulkar the best

Moments like these, is when i close my eyes, take a smoke and hope the world and its people see what i dont

yaay yaay We won ...
Doctor Sahab is on our side VICTORY!!!!!

 

[Oxy]

Let me preface what I'm going to say, by stating I am not Indian.

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If I may say, Your posts to date dont really help you in the above argument!

 

[Hooked _for_6]

If I may say, Your posts to date dont really help you in the above argument!

I just tell it like it is. People can judge if my opinions so far on Younis Khan, Mohmmad Yousef, Mohammad Aamir, Sami and Pakistani team management have been in the interest of Pakistan or against it.

 

[abdul2009]

yaay yaay We won ...
Doctor Sahab is on our side VICTORY!!!!!

here comes the radical poster from ICF who is like 1000% anti pak

 

[abdul2009]

talking of recent trends in PP...... indian posters pretend to be not indian but still keep on praising indian playas to no limit thereby making indian playas appear kind of cool in their opinion

 

[Indiafan]

I was refering to ponting as the one who was going through the lean patch

Check again

So you were, my bad

 

[abdul2009]

he may be a decent cricketer but he sure is not a good citizen i guess?

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tendulkar-evaded-tax-says-municipal-body/109161-3.html?from=tn

The Navi Mumbai Municipal Corporation (NMMC) says cricketer Sachin Tendulkar is a tax offender.

 

[mindless slogging]

talking of recent trends in PP...... indian posters pretend to be not indian but still keep on praising indian playas to no limit thereby making indian playas appear kind of cool in their opinion

That's definitely the new trend.

Oh that and putting team tendu ahead of team India. Despite being one of the best batting line-ups and playing on batting friendly wickets, it's the bowlers fault India cannot win anything. Afterall, Tendulkar does come with the man of the match, man of the series, man of the tournament prizes for this delusion to keep going.

 

[mindless slogging]

Part of your name suits you

I see you're finding it difficult to progress from the Sun's reading age of 9. Don't worry, everyone finds something difficult in life. Unfortunately for you, it is something essential.

 

[abdul2009]

That's definitely the new trend.

Oh that and putting team tendu ahead of team India. Despite being one of the best batting line-ups and playing on batting friendly wickets, it's the bowlers fault India cannot win anything. Afterall, Tendulkar does come with the man of the match, man of the series, man of the tournament prizes for this delusion to keep going.

lol so right! thats why he cant be a match winner against the good sides..

Take a look at his 2nd innings avg in tests for eg

 

[Hooked _for_6]

That's definitely the new trend.

Oh that and putting team tendu ahead of team India. Despite being one of the best batting line-ups and playing on batting friendly wickets, it's the bowlers fault India cannot win anything. Afterall, Tendulkar does come with the man of the match, man of the series, man of the tournament prizes for this delusion to keep going.

If only more of our players were that deluded.

 

[mindless slogging]

If only more of our players were that deluded.

I meant delusion in the fan's minds that he is the greatest.

Some think he is better than Viv Richards and Gary Sobers and is the best batsman since Bradman.

 

[abdul2009]

If only more of our players were that deluded.

lol @ "pretending indian"

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If only more of our players were that deluded.

If more of your players were that selfish, you would even lose the matches you are winning now.
Lucky you rest play as team India instead of team Sachin

 

[Indiafan]

I meant delusion in the fan's minds that he is the greatest.

Some think he is better than Viv Richards and Gary Sobers and is the best batsman since Bradman.

Some of these so called delusioned fans are some of the greatest cricket experts and ex-players. in fact till date, any world XI list made by any cricket expert or ex-players, show me just ONE list where Viv Richards is above Sachin and I will admit you are right and i am wrong

that will prove who is deluded

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Some of these so called delusioned fans are some of the greatest cricket experts and ex-players. in fact till date, any world XI list made by any cricket expert or ex-players, show me just ONE list where Viv Richards is above Sachin and I will admit you are right and i am wrong

that will prove who is deluded

Viv Richards didnt even include Sachin in his dream team
Sachin missing in Viv Richards' "Dream Team"

Viv Richards' Dream Team of 2007: Matthew Hayden, Kumar Sangakkara (wk), Ricky Ponting (capt), Kevin Pieterson, Mahela Jayawardene, Herschelle Gibbs, Scott Styris, Shaun Tait, Shane Bond, Glenn McGrath and Muttiah Muralitharan.

 

[abdul2009]

Some of these so called delusioned fans are some of the greatest cricket experts and ex-players. in fact till date, any world XI list made by any cricket expert or ex-players, show me just ONE list where Viv Richards is above Sachin and I will admit you are right and i am wrong

that will prove who is deluded

Well considering several aspects many experts dont rate sachin above richards or bradman...

One of them being the fact that a richards or a bradman seldom played on FLAT ROAD tracks and they dont have a overflowing average against the minnows....

Mike atherton of timesonline had the same idea as well

 

[pun500]

Viv Richards didnt even include Sachin in his dream team
Sachin missing in Viv Richards' "Dream Team"

Viv Richards' Dream Team of 2007: Matthew Hayden, Kumar Sangakkara (wk), Ricky Ponting (capt), Kevin Pieterson, Mahela Jayawardene, Herschelle Gibbs, Scott Styris, Shaun Tait, Shane Bond, Glenn McGrath and Muttiah Muralitharan.

Viv Richards' Dream Team of 2007

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Viv Richards' Dream Team of 2007

You are saying Sachin improved after 2007 ?

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Viv Richards didnt even include Sachin in his dream team
Sachin missing in Viv Richards' "Dream Team"

Viv Richards' Dream Team of 2007: Matthew Hayden, Kumar Sangakkara (wk), Ricky Ponting (capt), Kevin Pieterson, Mahela Jayawardene, Herschelle Gibbs, Scott Styris, Shaun Tait, Shane Bond, Glenn McGrath and Muttiah Muralitharan.

That was not an all time dream team. It was based purely on the performance of players in the 2007 World Cup.

 

[Indiafan]

Viv Richards didnt even include Sachin in his dream team
Sachin missing in Viv Richards' "Dream Team"

Viv Richards' Dream Team of 2007: Matthew Hayden, Kumar Sangakkara (wk), Ricky Ponting (capt), Kevin Pieterson, Mahela Jayawardene, Herschelle Gibbs, Scott Styris, Shaun Tait, Shane Bond, Glenn McGrath and Muttiah Muralitharan.

Lol, I would have asked more of an impartial list. BTW, you know this is only for the year 2007 right? I was asking for an all time kind of list. 2007 was not a good year for Sachin and he was rightly not included

 

[pun500]

You are saying Sachin improved after 2007 ?

hmm ..stats guru @ cricinfo use it wisely

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Okay let me ask a simple question... i will find out if Indian fans are biased or not ...

Donald bradman = Sachin or >>>> Sachin

 

[pun500]

Okay let me ask a simple question... i will find out if Indian fans are biased or not ...

Donald bradman = Sachin or >>>> Sachin

yes for tests bradman >> tendulkar ...

 

[Hooked _for_6]

Well considering several aspects many experts dont rate sachin above richards or bradman...

One of them being the fact that a richards or a bradman seldom played on FLAT ROAD tracks and they dont have a overflowing average against the minnows....

Mike atherton of timesonline had the same idea as well

Michael Atherton consistant with most English players don't rate Tendulkar. This is odd as he averages over 60 against them. Although its normally Lara they sight as better than Tendulkar. My personal opinion is that this stems from a deep seated dislike of South Asian People - Shakoor Rana, Ball tampering etc.

The Aussies, virtually to a man (Waugh, Warne, McGarth, Hayden, Richie and ven Don Bradman), think that next to the Don, Tendulkar is the greatest.

I rate the opinion of the Aussies; straight talking winners over the convoluted rubbish coming from people like Atherton.

On a separate note Atherton is the most boring player I've ever seen. Once took 11 HOURS to score a century against NZ.

 

[giri26]

You are saying Sachin improved after 2007 ?

Sachin averages 58.37 after 2007 with 8 hundreds. So yes he has improved.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Sachin averages 58.37 after 2007 with 8 hundreds. So yes he has improved.

Lol.. his average before 2007 must be over 50 too ... if i am not wrong ?

 

[giri26]

Okay let me ask a simple question... i will find out if Indian fans are biased or not ...

Donald bradman = Sachin or >>>> Sachin

Bradman is greater than any player which includes Sachin.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

btw ESPN thinks this is the actual worth of best 25 cricketers
This was an independent poll conducted

http://www.legendsofcricket.tv/top25.html

Sachin is way below in this list.

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

BTW, let me present a list of top 25 cricketers of all time prepared in 2001. It was sponsored by ESPN and the judges were -

Wasim Akram, Sunil Gavaskar, Richie Benaud, Sir Richard Hadlee, Dickie Bird, Michael Holding, Allan Border, John Knowles, Ian Botham, Robin Marlar, Ian Chappell, Christopher Martin-Jenkins, Tony Cozier, Mike Procter, Martin Crowe

The only Indian among the judges picked was Sunny Gavaskar. Also, the list was compiled in 2001, halfway through Tendulkar's career. Have a look -


1. Sir Donald Bradman

2. Sir Garfield Sobers

3. Sir Vivian Richards

4. Shane Warne

5. Jack Hobbs

6. Dennis Lillee

7. Sachin Tendulkar

8. Imran Khan

9. Wally Hammond

10. Sunil Gavaskar

11. Ian Botham

12. Sir Richard Hadlee

13. Keith Miller

14. WG Grace

15. Graeme Pollock

16. Malcolm Marshall

17. Greg Chappell

18. George Headley

19. Sir Frank Worrell

20. Sir Leonard Hutton

21. Wasim Akram

22. Kapil Dev

23. Steve Waugh

24. Barry Richards

25. Allan Border



So let's have a look at the batsmen rated ahead of Sachin - Bradman, Sobers, Richards and Hobbs. BTW, keep in mind that this was compiled in 2001, halfway through Sachin's career.


Link: http://www.legendsofcricket.tv/top25.html

 

[giri26]

Lol.. his average before 2007 must be over 50 too ... if i am not wrong ?

That was Viv Richards dream team for 2007 WC. Rightly Sachin did not find a place in that team as India were knocked in the first round.

 

[pun500]

^^ done in 2001 ...its 9 years hence

also no ponting in the list tells you how ancient this list is

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Btw not to take anything away from Sachin but his Odi average is less than Vivian Richards..
I never saw Viv play but many people tell me, he was very destructive against the likes of Lillee and the faster bowlers

In tests Sachin has a clear lead over Vivian and must be better than him.

But Odi's, Captaincy and Tests combined ... Dont you think Vivian is a much better all round personality ?

 

[giri26]

^^ done in 2001 ...its 9 years hence

also no ponting in the list tells you how ancient this list is

Ponting's dream run started after the list was made. Infact till the end of 2001, Ponting averaged only 44.19 in 52 tests. Can we say that he cashed in on poor bowling attacks and batsmen friendly pitches in the past decade?

 

[mindless slogging]

Michael Atherton consistant with most English players don't rate Tendulkar. This is odd as he averages over 60 against them. Although its normally Lara they sight as better than Tendulkar. My personal opinion is that this stems from a deep seated dislike of South Asian People - Shakoor Rana, Ball tampering etc.

The Aussies, virtually to a man (Waugh, Warne, McGarth, Hayden, Richie and ven Don Bradman), think that next to the Don, Tendulkar is the greatest.

I rate the opinion of the Aussies; straight talking winners over the convoluted rubbish coming from people like Atherton.

On a separate note Atherton is the most boring player I've ever seen. Once took 11 HOURS to score a century against NZ.

Maybe the Aussies see their rivalry with the great West Indies side and are trying to demean their legends by citing South Asian players?

Your pseudologic works both ways.

 

[giri26]

Maybe the Aussies see their rivalry with the great West Indies side and are trying to demean their legends by citing South Asian players?

Your pseudologic works both ways.

To be frank the English can never rate any South Asian players. Their judgement most often borders on hypocrisy. Ball tampering episodes are for the entire world to see. Simon Jones and team do it and its a skill, Pakistan do it and its tampering. The articles written by their so called experts after India became the number 1 side is another example.

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Btw not to take anything away from Sachin but his Odi average is less than Vivian Richards..
I never saw Viv play but many people tell me, he was very destructive against the likes of Lillee and the faster bowlers

In tests Sachin has a clear lead over Vivian and must be better than him.

But Odi's, Captaincy and Tests combined ... Dont you think Vivian is a much better all round personality ?

Viv Richards will come ahead of Sachin as a cricketer, as a Test batsman as well as an ODI batsman.

In ODI cricket, Viv is the best ever batsman. With an average of 47 and an SR of 90 that too in an era where an SR in 60's used to be the norm, Viv is unmatchable in ODI cricket. Tendulkar comes next.

 

[Hooked _for_6]

Maybe the Aussies see their rivalry with the great West Indies side and are trying to demean their legends by citing South Asian players?

Your pseudologic works both ways.

Hardly their main opponents in the past ten years has been India. In the Border Gavaskar cup its 10 wins each way.

I could understand your point applied to Lillee, Thompson and Chappell who were on the back end of a lot of West Indian Bouncers. But it doesn't apply to the Great Australian team except for Warne and Waugh who did face the tail end of that team and certainly had no impact on Ritchie Benaud (who rated Lara next best) and the Don.

I think there is deep dislike bordering on racism toward South Asian Cricket. We are seen a bunch of cheating ball tamperers who can't play forward defensives. As such I think English dislike of Tendulkar is emblamatic not only of this but also a resentment of a change in centre of gravity of cricket toward South Asian.

South Asian is the beating heart of cricket and Tendulkar is the pacemaker. England is antique relics: it took cricket and made it boring. ) ) )

 

[onlycricket]

sachin is the best... happy????
















now go home please

mate, one thing I understood...
something may be good for me...but might not good for others as every thing in this world is relative and that's what is also proved by the relativity theory ..so, there will always be discussion without convincing all the sides for any fact...

but, trying to pull down someone because of some presonal things, is not fair...like when Sachin scored century in BD when india were in bad position, then there were shought 'so what against Bangladesh'...but when 'Mathey Hayden scored 380 in his home country against Zimbawe..the Hayden is great' or 'Anwar hits 194 against ordinary indian attack on the flat sub continent pitch then Anwer is great'...that's called bias because of person issues...

after all these players are in the same league...and their names are written with the golden words in the history...

onething for sure, had Sachin been Australian/English, he would have got more respect...had Bradman been Indian/Pakistani, he might not have been called father of cricket....

In behalf of all the Indian, we respect Sachin for our feeling...like you respect for Imran or Akram or Inzimam...because these players contributed to their teams immensely...

Well, there will always be special kind of elements in the either side of the border....
as fas as my view is concerned, sportsperson should be looked beyond country, casts, community etc....keeping the personal things aside....and that applied to all the people of world...

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Viv Richards will come ahead of Sachin as a cricketer, as a Test batsman as well as an ODI batsman.

In ODI cricket, Viv is the best ever batsman. With an average of 47 and an SR of 90 that too in an era where an SR in 60's used to be the norm, Viv is unmatchable in ODI cricket. Tendulkar comes next.

Wow impartial views from an Indian. Highly unexpected.
You just raised your worth a 100 times in my opinion.
Now if you ask me the truth
Sachin's records will never be broken. Thats a fact.
Cuz Sachin's are not born everyday. I may not like him, thats my personal opinion, but the truth is, he is a great player.

 

[onlycricket]

Btw not to take anything away from Sachin but his Odi average is less than Vivian Richards..
I never saw Viv play but many people tell me, he was very destructive against the likes of Lillee and the faster bowlers

In tests Sachin has a clear lead over Vivian and must be better than him.

But Odi's, Captaincy and Tests combined ... Dont you think Vivian is a much better all round personality ?

I agree, but do u count the constency, on and off field behaviour, 'way to handle fame, pressure and money', logevity, perfrom under high expection from 1 billion people, who switch off their TV once he gets out, they he played their cricket, being a one man show in mid 90s...would u count all those...?

 

[mindless slogging]

Hardly their main opponents in the past ten years has been India. In the Border Gavaskar cup its 10 wins each way.

Yeah, Okay. Their main opponents are a side that hasn't even won a WC for 20-odd years and are the number one test side for the first time in their history.

Doesn't make sense. Their main rivals are England in the Ashes, and if the Australia side of the past decade thinks it's the greatest ever (which alot of Aussie pundits do), then they have to measure up against the great Windies side in all formats.

I could understand your point applied to Lillee, Thompson and Chappell who were on the back end of a lot of West Indian Bouncers. But it doesn't apply to the Great Australian team except for Warne and Waugh who did face the tail end of that team and certainly had no impact on Ritchie Benaud (who rated Lara next best) and the Don.

Bouncers has nothing to do with it, nor the era. If the Australia side thinks its the best ever, it has a challenge from the Windies side.

I think there is deep dislike bordering on racism toward South Asian Cricket. We are seen a bunch of cheating ball tamperers who can't play forward defensives. As such I think English dislike of Tendulkar is emblamatic not only of this but also a resentment of a change in centre of gravity of cricket toward South Asian.

I watch almost all the tests England play and there is nothing overtly racist or anything of the sort. They consider Lara and Ponting as their main rivals as both have a history of either exceptional scores (Lara) or get the runs in the heat of battle (Ponting). Tendulkar is seen third. Jacques kallis, even though scores masses of runs against them, doesn't get much credit either. Nothing racist about it.

The ball tampering incident was unfortunate. And actually Darrel Hair is Australian, but the media and pundits backed Pakistan openly for that.

South Asian is the beating heart of cricket and Tendulkar is the pacemaker. England is antique relics: it took cricket and made it boring. ) ) )

South Asian cricket is nowhere yet. Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are poor sides. India is the only one 'up there', but even they didn't get close to winning the CT.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I agree, but do u count the constency, on and off field behaviour, 'way to handle fame, pressure and money', logevity, perfrom under high expection from 1 billion people, who switch off their TV once he gets out, they he played their cricket, being a one man show in mid 90s...would u count all those...?

If you are asking me, that if he is the heartbeat of billion people... YES he is
If you are asking me, is he universally acclaimed ? Off course
If you are asking that is he single handedly controlling time of India.... i would say yes....
That matters... he is the most popular and a genius of a cricketer....
Is he the best ever ? Anyone's guess

 

[giri26]

If you are asking me, that if he is the heartbeat of billion people... YES he is
If you are asking me, is he universally acclaimed ? Off course
If you are asking that is he single handedly controlling time of India.... i would say yes....
That matters... he is the most popular and a genius of a cricketer....
Is he the best ever ? Anyone's guess

No player can be termed as best ever as it is not easy to compare players from different eras. He will be termed as one of the greatest players to have stepped on the cricket field. Players from different eras face different challenges, it would be unfair to compare their careers.

 

[Hooked _for_6]

Yeah, Okay. Their main opponents are a side that hasn't even won a WC for 20-odd years and are the number one test side for the first time in their history.

Doesn't make sense. Their main rivals are England in the Ashes, and if the Australia side of the past decade thinks it's the greatest ever (which alot of Aussie pundits do), then they have to measure up against the great Windies side in all formats.



Bouncers has nothing to do with it, nor the era. If the Australia side thinks its the best ever, it has a challenge from the Windies side.



I watch almost all the tests England play and there is nothing overtly racist or anything of the sort. They consider Lara and Ponting as their main rivals as both have a history of either exceptional scores (Lara) or get the runs in the heat of battle (Ponting). Tendulkar is seen third. Jacques kallis, even though scores masses of runs against them, doesn't get much credit either. Nothing racist about it.

The ball tampering incident was unfortunate. And actually Darrel Hair is Australian, but the media and pundits backed Pakistan openly for that.



South Asian cricket is nowhere yet. Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are poor sides. India is the only one 'up there', but even they didn't get close to winning the CT.

Until 2005 The Aussies didn't take England serious. There was even talk about whether the Ashes could be opened up other countries. By the time England improved the Great Aussies was on its last legs.

They respect Lara because all of Lara's records are against English sides. But they don't repect Ponting at all. Not as a captain, and more oddly not as a player.

India is the only side to stop the Aussies on their winning streaks. The depths of their desperation to win shown up by the 2008 "Monkey" Test. But either way WI don't figure in this analysis.

Bouncers are important. The famous 1979/80 tour when Clive Lloyd said he should take the most fearsome attack the Aussie had ever seen. Before the one bouncer per batsman per over, WI bowlers regularly bowled 6 bouncers an over. This was bodyline without leg theory. Listen to Ian Chappall or any of the other and they all remember getting hit.

But curiously guys of that era (Chappall etc) all site Richards as the greatest. This somewhat obviates your point that they are trying to take attention away from their great opponents.

Regarding ball tampering, I am not talking about Darrell Hare but rather the incidents from the 90s. If you genuinely think there is no racism in English cricket you should read a little more about Rana and Gatting.

 

[mindless slogging]

They respect Lara because all of Lara's records are against English sides. But they don't repect Ponting at all. Not as a captain, and more oddly not as a player.

I'm sorry that is absolute BS. They consider Ponting's knock at Old Trafford as one of the greatest modern test knocks. You cannot get more praise than that.

And actually in captaincy, Warne had differences with Ponting aswell. And Chappell has also criticised him. Ponting does get credit, but he isn't a great captain. And the level of criticism he gets in Australia is greater than in England. Actually, England were defending him when everyone in Aus wanted him dropped after '05.

 

[Hooked _for_6]

I'm sorry that is absolute BS. They consider Ponting's knock at Old Trafford as one of the greatest modern test knocks. You cannot get more praise than that.

And actually in captaincy, Warne had differences with Ponting aswell. And Chappell has also criticised him. Ponting does get credit, but he isn't a great captain. And the level of criticism he gets in Australia is greater than in England. Actually, England were defending him when everyone in Aus wanted him dropped after '05.

This is before the Ashes loss

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/simon_barnes/article6382416.ece

 

[Hooked _for_6]

I'm sorry that is absolute BS. They consider Ponting's knock at Old Trafford as one of the greatest modern test knocks. You cannot get more praise than that.

And actually in captaincy, Warne had differences with Ponting aswell. And Chappell has also criticised him. Ponting does get credit, but he isn't a great captain. And the level of criticism he gets in Australia is greater than in England. Actually, England were defending him when everyone in Aus wanted him dropped after '05.

I think Ponting is an all time great. The english think is about as good as Atherton and Vaughn...or may be not quite that good.

 

[BD-fan]

...

They respect Lara because all of Lara's records are against English sides. ....

Steve Waugh would be "god" to the English then.

 

[Hooked _for_6]

Steve Waugh would be "god" to the English then.

I suppose so if they had any magnanimity. But they don't.

 

[mindless slogging]

I think Ponting is an all time great. The english think is about as good as Atherton and Vaughn...or may be not quite that good.

No they don't. You're making this into something it isn't. They consider him a modern great.

Ponting is one of the greatest players in the game’s history, and deserves to be recognised as such.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/...ing-deserves-better-from-the-edgbaston-crowd/

Almost all the pundits, media were running this. Here is another from the Times where they rip him apart:

Lord's, meanwhile, which preens itself as the locus classicus of the spirit of cricket, actually boos the best Australia Test batsman since Bradman.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article6726832.ece

You need to distinguish between rivalry and hatred.

 

[Hooked _for_6]

No they don't. You're making this into something it isn't. They consider him a modern great.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/...ing-deserves-better-from-the-edgbaston-crowd/

Almost all the pundits, media were running this. Here is another from the Times where they rip him apart:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article6726832.ece

You need to distinguish between rivalry and hatred.

this is what i wrote a little earlier on ponting. it summerises my views on him


I agree that those that say Lara and Ponting are ordinary players are equally wrong. Ponting in particular is very under-rated. His winning of the player of the decade is entirely justified. More runs and centuries in both Tests and ODIs over the past 10 years. Can't argue with that.

Its just that for a majority of his career Ponting has played in a side with more game changing players. As those players have retired so the performance of this team has faded (beating a poorly lead transitional Pakistani team does not reverse this decline, having just Lost the Ashes, to India and SA).

Put simply had Ponting played for India and Tendulkar for Australia, the fortune of both sides would have been the same.

Its just when you two such closely matched talents it does come down to the stats. If Ponting takes the Four Peaks (most runs and Centuries in Tests and ODI), I will fully accept he is a better player. Until then Tendulkar is better...if only by a whisker.

 

[onlycricket]

If you are asking me, that if he is the heartbeat of billion people... YES he is
If you are asking me, is he universally acclaimed ? Off course
If you are asking that is he single handedly controlling time of India.... i would say yes....
That matters... he is the most popular and a genius of a cricketer....
Is he the best ever ? Anyone's guess

what I said that also count in the performance...land Ricky and Lara and ask them to play for India..and simulate the result sets....
I am not saying that they can't perfrom after all; both are great cricketer...but what I mean there is difference playing for India and playing fro Australia...

As far as best is concerned....I am not saying that he is THE best....but he is in the same league where other greats belongs too...with just slight added advantage of having hightest runs and ceturies because he started cricket at the age of 16 and continued for next 22 years...

 

[abdul2009]

Michael Atherton consistant with most English players don't rate Tendulkar. This is odd as he averages over 60 against them. Although its normally Lara they sight as better than Tendulkar. My personal opinion is that this stems from a deep seated dislike of South Asian People - Shakoor Rana, Ball tampering etc.

The Aussies, virtually to a man (Waugh, Warne, McGarth, Hayden, Richie and ven Don Bradman), think that next to the Don, Tendulkar is the greatest.

I rate the opinion of the Aussies; straight talking winners over the convoluted rubbish coming from people like Atherton.

On a separate note Atherton is the most boring player I've ever seen. Once took 11 HOURS to score a century against NZ.

most expected reply from a Typical Indian...lol

If someone criticises sachin then he is crap!lol how much times we have seen this??

And to say that britan does;nt like south asians is also rubbish! there are over 2 million south asians in Uk and they wouldnt be there if they didnt like em would they???

dont try to change the complete reality just because someone doesnt rate sachin above bradman.... that is sadistic

 

[abdul2009]

mate, one thing I understood...
something may be good for me...but might not good for others as every thing in this world is relative and that's what is also proved by the relativity theory ..so, there will always be discussion without convincing all the sides for any fact...

but, trying to pull down someone because of some presonal things, is not fair...like when Sachin scored century in BD when india were in bad position, then there were shought 'so what against Bangladesh'...but when 'Mathey Hayden scored 380 in his home country against Zimbawe..the Hayden is great' or 'Anwar hits 194 against ordinary indian attack on the flat sub continent pitch then Anwer is great'...that's called bias because of person issues...

after all these players are in the same league...and their names are written with the golden words in the history...

onething for sure, had Sachin been Australian/English, he would have got more respect...had Bradman been Indian/Pakistani, he might not have been called father of cricket....

In behalf of all the Indian, we respect Sachin for our feeling...like you respect for Imran or Akram or Inzimam...because these players contributed to their teams immensely...

Well, there will always be special kind of elements in the either side of the border....
as fas as my view is concerned, sportsperson should be looked beyond country, casts, community etc....keeping the personal things aside....and that applied to all the people of world...

well i appreciate your post in which your saying all these guys to be treated on the same plate, i accept it...
but most of the indian fans dont! they simply dont take any criticism on srt in a sportive manner and they ridicule the other players which is distasteful......

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

most expected reply from a Typical Indian...lol

If someone criticises sachin then he is crap!lol how much times we have seen this??

And to say that britan does;nt like south asians is also rubbish! there are over 2 million south asians in Uk and they wouldnt be there if they didnt like em would they???

dont try to change the complete reality just because someone doesnt rate sachin above bradman.... that is sadistic

Did he say anything wrong ? He never said Atherton was a crap player. He just said that he's the most boring player he has seen. And to support his argument, Atherton played at an SR of 37.31 in Tests and 58.64 in ODI's. A batsman with an average of 100 too will be boring if he plays with such SR's.

 

[abdul2009]

^^ Did he say anything wrong ? He never said Atherton was a crap player. He just said that he's the most boring player he has seen. And to support his argument, Atherton played at an SR of 37.31 in Tests and 58.64 in ODI's.

yes thats the indian fan mentality, if someone criticises sachin they ridicule him..
And atherton's playing method is completely irrelevant to this post.

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

yes thats the indian fan mentality, if someone criticises sachin they ridicule him..
And atherton's playing method is completely irrelevant to this post.

And you rambling is completely irrelevant to my post. The guy claimed Atherton to be the most boring player he's seen. You highlighted that point and said that any ex-player not in favor of Tendulkar becomes crap for Indian fans. To this I clarified that he never said Atherton was crap, but just boring. And to support his views I put down Atherton's SR in tests and ODI's.

Now when you have no rational argument to counter with, you tried diverting the topic into something else. Be on point, and reply to my previous post if you can.

 

[abdul2009]

And you rambling is completely irrelevant to my post. The guy claimed Atherton to be the most boring player he's seen. You highlighted that point and said that any ex-player not in favor of Tendulkar becomes crap for Indian fans. To this I clarified that he never said Atherton was crap, but just boring. And to support his views I put down Atherton's SR in tests and ODI's.

Now when you have no rational argument to counter with, you tried diverting the topic into something else. Be on point, and reply to my previous post if you can.

clearly you lost the plot again... what you gonna get personal now??

well anyone can clearly see that he is trying to ridicule mike for his views on sachin by saying he is boring blah blah thereby trying to reduce mike's reputation so his comments are devalued


may I request you to kindly think before reply?

 

[umerz]

The way Tamim Iqbal is playing he might catch Tendulkar

 

[Romali_rotti]

The way Tamim Iqbal is playing he might catch Tendulkar

Yap in his next life.....

 

[umerz]

I was only joking Romali...not even in his 10 lives

 

[Hooked _for_6]

most expected reply from a Typical Indian...lol

If someone criticises sachin then he is crap!lol how much times we have seen this??

And to say that britan does;nt like south asians is also rubbish! there are over 2 million south asians in Uk and they wouldnt be there if they didnt like em would they???

dont try to change the complete reality just because someone doesnt rate sachin above bradman.... that is sadistic

We'll I'm not Indian and am on of those South Asians who lives in England.

I can count on the fingers of one hand how many South Asians I know (1st, 2nd and 3rd Generation) who support England. I have played cricket at Junior County Level and can tell you there is tacit and explicit racism directed towards South Asians.

Find me Atherton's glowing quote about about Imran, Wasim or Javed if you think his antipathy is limited to Tendulkar.

Yes Atherton is the most boring player I've ever seen, unless you know one that is more boring.

 

[Zu456]

I don't think anyone will catch Tendulkar for a very long time. He was helped by the fact that he played a lot of his cricket on the flat pitches of india

 

[giri26]

I don't think anyone will catch Tendulkar for a very long time. He was helped by the fact that he played a lot of his cricket on the flat pitches of india

yes I agree that he played most of his cricket at home pitches but that is true for every player. You guys are making it sound as if Sachin has been pathetic away from home.

He has played 66 tests away from subcontinent (Leaving out Bangladesh, Pakistan, SL and India) and he has scored 5361 runs at an average of 52 which isn't bad by any standards. He has 16 hundreds away from subcontinent, No hundreds in Zimbabwe. So his hundreds have been in SA, WI, Australia, NZ and England. I have not even included SL, Pak and Bangladesh in the list.

On Similar count Ricky Ponting has played just 63 tests away from home which includes every country other than Australia and has scored 5069 runs at an average of 50.69 and has scored 18 hundreds.

So it means that if Sachin had played only in SA, NZ, England, WI, Australia and Zimbabwe and Ponting had played everywhere except for home (Australia), Sachin would still be ahead. So why is ponting great?

While I removed Subcontinent stats completely from Sachin's stats and not just the home games as people will come and point out his average vs Bangladesh, I left Ponting's statistics on the so called flat subcontinent pitches and still he is on par or lesser than Sachin.

 

[giri26]

Couple of other players I would like to include:

Inzamam - Whose average in 71 tests away from home is 46.98 but if we remove subcontinent venues it goes down to 43.93. Brian Lara's average away from home is 47.80. So how are these guys way ahead of Sachin when he averages better than all of them.

 

[AZ]

fazool bhais chal rahi hai...nobody will ever score the amount of runs or 100s Sachin has...the guy's a freak of nature.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Tendulkar - 49
Kohli - 36*


13 more to tie. 14 to get past him.

4 years?

 

[captain.hansolo]

Tendulkar - 49
Kohli - 36*


13 more to tie. 14 to get past him.

4 years?

Three at the very least. Kohli is averaging one hundred every three innings in tests and one in every four in ODIs. We are on track to play 30+ ODI per year for the next three years.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Tendulkar - 49
Kohli - 36*


13 more to tie. 14 to get past him.

4 years?

Kohli will easily surpass 49 centuries,but 18000+ runs is difficult.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Three at the very least. Kohli is averaging one hundred every three innings in tests and one in every four in ODIs. We are on track to play 30+ ODI per year for the next three years.

By the end of 2022 maybe then.

You never know when these hundreds dry up though.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Unpredictable time for Cricketers seeking to break records.

Looks more and more like now that Tendulkar will see through the Kohli-Smith era with his test records unbroken.