Will Joe Root beat Sachin Tendulkar's record in Tests for most runs?

[Buffet]

Do you think Root stands close to SRT, Lara, Ponting, Dravid, Kallis etc?

No , he does not. Gap is just too wide.

The top 4 toughest teams since 1990 in their home,



List of batsmen who scored heavily against the toughest 4 sides in their home conditions, I highlighted the names you put. Judge for yourself if Root should be rated with names you mentioned. Ponting is actually over rated by fans because he also averaged in 30s against top 4 sides in their den, but at least he has 8 tons. I will take 38 avg with 8 tons vs cute 50s with 41 avg by Root.

 

[Josh]

Root breaking Sachin's record is important for survival of test cricket. BCCI will keep focusing on test cricket.

 

[mominsaigol]

LOL when I did disrespect any other country? I am talking purely on facts. If anything, I have also dismissed Kohli's achievements of outscoring Sachin's ODI hundreds record and that too in a stage like WC semi final. I know 49 ODI centuries in modern era with big bats and small boundaries is equivalent to 75 back when Sachin played. So I am not disrespecting any country but calling spade a spade. Joe Root hasn't even surpassed him yet for calling out loud.


I told you that you are having a bad day


When did I troll and what garbage did I post? All my posts in this thread are a detailed description on why modern batter's cant be compared to Sachin.


Sanga, Smith, Root...highest avg in this format...highest run in that format - all that is fine and widely respected. However, Sachin has almost all the record possible in both red and white ball cricket. So modern players can break one or couple of his records in conjunction. However for one person to achieve all of that is almost impossible.


Again you are getting emotional

When did I behave like hooligan? I was not even present here during 2024 T20 WC and didn't even follow that tourney as was upset with election results in India.

Also, try to take comments from online forum in heart. If someone had said something to you during T20 WC 2024, you will go after entire country?

I look into the mirror every day bro and get a reflection back saying - 'When Rajdeep Speaks, you listen and move on'

Also, try to take comments from online forum in heart. If someone had said something to you during T20 WC 2024, you will go after entire country?

Yes, i was one of your supporters and your fan, and look what you did. Your loss, cause no one butchers pakistan better then I do.

Their was never any need to call me aussie boy, or wannabe or any of those mean words. Now I dispense justice.

 

[Buffet]

Sanga, Smith, Root...highest avg in this format...highest run in that format - all that is fine and widely respected. However, Sachin has almost all the record possible in both red and white ball cricket. So modern players can break one or couple of his records in conjunction. However for one person to achieve all of that is almost impossible.

Records of runs/avg/wickets are one thing and being top class is another. SRT records does not make him special. Him performing against the best consistently makes him special.

Same way, Smith is top class in the test format.

SRT,Lara and Smith are the best test bastmen in the last 35 years. I saw all batsmen in this period.

Just look at the list I posted about tough runs in Aus, SA, Ind and Eng. Smith is not a stats booster but actually has performances against the best on consistent basis. Lots of runs and lots of tons in SA, Ind and Eng.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

No , he does not. Gap is just too wide.

The top 4 toughest teams since 1990 in their home,

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List of batsmen who scored heavily against the toughest 4 sides in their home conditions, I highlighted the names you put. Judge for yourself if Root should be rated with names you mentioned. Ponting is actually over rated by fans because he also averaged in 30s against top 4 sides in their den, but at least he has 8 tons. I will take 38 avg with 8 tons vs cute 50s with 41 avg by Root.

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This list tells a lot.

Honestly, I never rated Ponting anywhere close to the likes of Tendulkar and Lara. He is basically similar to Kohli with the only exception that he got to play on docile tracks of the 2000s, his average in 90s was around 44.

Didn't expect Kohli having a better average than Lara against top teams in their own den, looks like he is underrated a lot as a test player.

@mominsaigol @Mamoon look at these stats and pls educate yourself. Joe Root breaking the overall run record wont bring him close to Dravid, let alone Tendulkar.

 

[HARKS]

English players are mental midgets. They are always 1 disastrous Ashes series away from Retirement and that too if over age of 32+
Root have very bad record in Australia and that tour may very well be end of him .

 

[mominsaigol]

This list tells a lot.

Honestly, I never rated Ponting anywhere close to the likes of Tendulkar and Lara. He is basically similar to Kohli with the only exception that he got to play on docile tracks of the 2000s, his average in 90s was around 44.

Didn't expect Kohli having a better average than Lara against top teams in their own den, looks like he is underrated a lot as a test player.

@mominsaigol @Mamoon look at these stats and pls educate yourself. Joe Root breaking the overall run record wont bring him close to Dravid, let alone Tendulkar.

@Buffet is a great poster

I don't believe root Is > Sachin bro. I told you, I've recently started saying things cause you lot are rude and irritate me.

The day I stop hearing comments such as "You're always wrong" or "Wannabe"

Is the day I start talking with all of you again respectfully.

The 2024 win in t20 wc changed the entire Indian community where everyone got super aggressive to others including myself especially when I supported them.

The only real conversation I have had with you @jeeteshssaxena is the Bradman and Larwood conversation which was fun and informative, every other convo has been a crap fest with some of your comments straight up beginning with the words "You're always wrong" or some insult, which is when I stopped taking you lot seriously.

However after you, others joined in said mess. Today's insane test troll nonsense was hilarious, even though proper people like myself have straight up listed a 3-0 loss to England months in advance, yet you lot are acting like it's a revelation and trolling endlessly.

Buffet is one of the few pisters who's genuinely smarter and better them me in arguments so I have no issue and I agree with him.

My issue is you and the rest. Treat me with respect and ill do the same and have respectful discussions. Otherwise I can't be bothered honestly and will play the irritation troll game that your kind plays.

 

[Rajdeep]

Also, try to take comments from online forum in heart. If someone had said something to you during T20 WC 2024, you will go after entire country?

Yes, i was one of your supporters and your fan, and look what you did. Your loss, cause no one butchers pakistan better then I do.

Their was never any need to call me aussie boy, or wannabe or any of those mean words. Now I dispense justice.

I meant to say don't take comments of online forum by heart.

Next time anyone calls you Aussie boy or any mean words, pls tag me. Hum sambhal lenge.

 

[mominsaigol]

I meant to say don't take comments of online forum by heart.

Next time anyone calls you Aussie boy or any mean words, pls tag me. Hum sambhal lenge.

Bro fr? Genuinely? Deal? No like actually?

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro fr? Genuinely? Deal? No like actually?

If this is true, then all this drama ends here.

 

[TheSultan]

You're precious Sachin would actually get the respect he deserves if you lot gave back respect to other countries.

It's not everyone's fault kei you presume India and every player in it is your father's medan.

Genuinely you want people to adhere to your Big No No for Sachin, then stop trolling non stop and attacking with garbage upon Garbage.

Certain arguments like Sangakara and Steve Smith having a higher avg, Root closing in in runs and having more centuries then Sachin in 135 test games, as Sachin at the same stage didn't have the same no with root having a similar avg, or Lara arguments etc etc are valid .

Good counter arguments like discussing their performances per opponent and per country, Discussing the bowler difficulty, era difficulty etc are very very valid counter arguments and would encourage a good debate and strong points for Sachin.

But no, you invade like Hooligans, just like I've been seeing post 2024 t20 wc, and how I saw the trolling today on said thread with some posters even getting excessively bullied.

Genuinely you'd have tons of respect if you took a deep breathe and looked at yourself in the mirror rather then pointing fingers at others pondering why a so called nice poster ended up hating all of you.

I do find it astounding how closely Indians follow pak cricket.

I mean it’s one thing to follow pak when they have exciting players.

The amount of trash we have at the moment, I struggle to follow our games and I certainly would not follow any other country who was as bad as us.

I didn’t follow Indian cricket when they were in the doldrums. I’ve never followed a Zimbabwe or Bangladesh match unless it was against Pakistan!

These guys were glued to the match threads Pakistan vs Bangladesh!

 

[mominsaigol]

I do find it astounding how closely Indians follow pak cricket.

I mean it’s one thing to follow pak when they have exciting players.

The amount of trash we have at the moment, I struggle to follow our games and I certainly would not follow any other country who was as bad as us.

I didn’t follow Indian cricket when they were in the doldrums. I’ve never followed a Zimbabwe or Bangladesh match unless it was against Pakistan!

These guys were glued to the match threads Pakistan vs Bangladesh!

Exactly. Everyone is wondering why I'm mean to these guys all of the sudden.

They started it first with their nonsense and trolling.

We can't even enjoy the match and critise our own team on the match threads anymore qith these lot piling up 24/7.

It's beyond irritating.

Every conversation ends with wannabe aussie or some sort of filth. Yet they tell me to stop bringing up Travis head in every thread.

Okay fine, then stop bringing Sachin in every thread or Babar in every thread. Let us Pakistani's tear Babar and misbah regime a new one.

 

[Buffet]

This list tells a lot.

Honestly, I never rated Ponting anywhere close to the likes of Tendulkar and Lara. He is basically similar to Kohli with the only exception that he got to play on docile tracks of the 2000s, his average in 90s was around 44.

Didn't expect Kohli having a better average than Lara against top teams in their own den, looks like he is underrated a lot as a test player.

Lara and Kohli, both have avg of 44. I won't really pay much attention to that small a difference. Also, it's bucket catch all list where all oppositions did not have same quality of bowlers for long period like 35 years. For example, it's far tougher to score in India with Bumrah, Ashwin and Jadeja bowling together now. It was harder to score in Eng with Anderson and Broad bowling together. Also, it was a bit harder with McGrath and Warne bowling together. SA, it was probably hard in any era.

I am not saying that we should take this list and start ranking batsmen based on this, but it's a really good indication of quality of batsmen. Over a large sample size and a lots of top class oppositions, if you fail to come near the top then you don't belong in the top tier.

I think many fans should rate Smith higher. He is absolutely the top class in test in current era. Yah, he has declined, but he has done enough against top oppositions. In any tough series, you could bank on Smith to score runs. Reminds me of SRT, always scored one big score in away series in Aus, SA, Eng. That's a sign of really top class batsman.

Focusing on records like volume, runs, wickets is fine but to be rated among the best you got to perform consistently against the best.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Root will cruise past Sachin.

 

[Mesozoic]

"White people age quicker".

Above sentence alone should be enough to close down this thread. Root will definitely go past Dravid , Kallis and Ponting though. And that would be a remarkable feat by itself.

 

[Buffet]

Root will cruise past Sachin.

It will be fantsatic.

I am rooting for root

 

[Mesozoic]

Root is ~34 right now and will most definitely hang his boots after the Ashes down under 2025-26.

Will probably play a farewell test at Headingley in the summer of '26

 

[HARKS]

Root is ~34 right now and will most definitely hang his boots after the Ashes down under 2025-26.

Will probably play a farewell test at Headingley in the summer of '26

Ashes loss and that too if washout will end many carriers . And being the biggest mental midgets English players are quick to retire.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

@Buffet is a great poster


The only real conversation I have had with you @jeeteshssaxena is the Bradman and Larwood conversation which was fun and informative, every other convo has been a crap fest with some of your comments straight up beginning with the words "You're always wrong" or some insult, which is when I stopped taking you lot seriously.

Saying that you are wrong, isnt an insult, secondly I have never inflicted any abuses on you. You are mixing me up with someone else, I have never ever gloated about that t20 wc win.

I have seen you posting OTT stuff and things that are outright wrong, in that scenario I think its correct to say that you are wrong as your data was not backed by facts or stats.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Root is ~34 right now and will most definitely hang his boots after the Ashes down under 2025-26.

Will probably play a farewell test at Headingley in the summer of '26

Motivation to cross Sachin's milestone is very high. Unless he has a career ending injury, England will let him play till he is 40 even if his form dips drastically.

 

[mominsaigol]

Saying that you are wrong, isnt an insult, secondly I have never inflicted any abuses on you. You are mixing me up with someone else, I have never ever gloated about that t20 wc win.

I have seen you posting OTT stuff and things that are outright wrong, in that scenario I think its correct to say that you are wrong as your data was not backed by facts or stats.

Then behave and phrase it in a certain way. Tameez aik cheez hoti hai.

You start by saying I respectfully disagree, hopefully you're an introvert, bahir ja kei yei bolo or dekho kitnei moo par chitar partei hain beta.

Anyway, what's past is past. I'm moving on. I don't care anymore.

 

[Mainul]

3258 runs more to break ST record. Still a paramount task. All it needs is be at this form to continue for another 3 years. Who knows? 1 episode of dip in form of Root can be curtail to his career.

Personally i want Joe to break this record.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Lara and Kohli, both have avg of 44. I won't really pay much attention to that small a difference. Also, it's bucket catch all list where all oppositions did not have same quality of bowlers for long period like 35 years. For example, it's far tougher to score in India with Bumrah, Ashwin and Jadeja bowling together now. It was harder to score in Eng with Anderson and Broad bowling together. Also, it was a bit harder with McGrath and Warne bowling together. SA, it was probably hard in any era.

I am not saying that we should take this list and start ranking batsmen based on this, but it's a really good indication of quality of batsmen. Over a large sample size and a lots of top class oppositions, if you fail to come near the top then you don't belong in the top tier.

I think many fans should rate Smith higher. He is absolutely the top class in test in current era. Yah, he has declined, but he has done enough against top oppositions. In any tough series, you could bank on Smith to score runs. Reminds me of SRT, always scored one big score in away series in Aus, SA, Eng. That's a sign of really top class batsman.

Focusing on records like volume, runs, wickets is fine but to be rated among the best you got to perform consistently against the best.

Yeah, this alone shouldn't be the reason of rating a batsman higher, runs in your own home against strong teams are also tough most of the time.


As for bowling quality and conditions, I wouldnt say its any easier to bat against the current aussie trio compared to Warne, Mcgrath as the pitches these days are spicier compared to the noughties.

SA has got even more treacherous, its way more difficult to score now, earlier they used to dish out some flat pattas every now and then. Also Rabada, Ngidi, jansen, Nortje is a top class attack. Maharaj is also better than any spinner SA had in the 2000s.

Eng has been the same I think Broad and Anderson pose similar threat as Gough and Caddick, maybe a bit more inclined towards this era(jimmy and broad) but pretty similar.

India has become harder for sure, this is the greatest Indian bowling attack of all time, btw Root's scores in India are all on flat tracks in the last two series, he failed on all turners and was only able to score on pattas.

On separate topic, Smith for me is the best TEST batsman I have ever seen, better than Tendulkar and easily better than Lara.

 

[Mesozoic]

Motivation to cross Sachin's milestone is very high. Unless he has a career ending injury, England will let him play till he is 40 even if his form dips drastically.

I honestly don't think he cares. He seems like a chill guy who just likes to have fun and score runs..just like Smith. These records do not matter to most.

Heck..even most Indian fans do not care nor flaunt Sachin's run scoring records. His stature here has more to do with his iconic individual knocks and the emotional baggages of the 90s "kids".

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I honestly don't think he cares. He seems like a chill guy who just likes to have fun and score runs..just like Smith. These records do not matter to most.

Heck..even most Indian fans do not care nor flaunt Sachin's run scoring records. His stature here has more to do with his iconic individual knocks and the emotional baggages of the 90s "kids".

He plays only Tests now, and the hype by the English media. Its a shot at immortality why will he quit if is well on track for 15k and hang the boots. If he suddenly loses form before 14k, he might think about it but he will go past 14k by end of next year the way he is batting.

 

[stani_pak]

No that will only mean Root has accumulated most test runs. However, it will not make him the best test batsman of all time. Kumble, Ashwin and Harbhajan has got more test wickets than any Pakistani bowlers. Does that mean all of them were better than any Pakistani bowlers in their entire cricket history? Lets not get silly here.

Beside all of that, If Root surpass Sachin's test runs...he will only break one of his record. Just like Kohli broke his ODI century record. However, no single player can manage all those records alone which was my point and why no modern players can be compared to Tendulkar.

Lets be honest, you know this as well. However accepting it or not is different story

Your the one that needs accepting mate

 

[JaDed]

Your the one that needs accepting mate

What should he accept can you lay it out?

 

[JaDed]

Root is ~34 right now and will most definitely hang his boots after the Ashes down under 2025-26.

Will probably play a farewell test at Headingley in the summer of '26

One more Pakistani series should help him.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I think Joe Root will wish to complete 1000 of that 3000 runs required for overcoming Sachin in the ongoing series against Pakistan

 

[Buffet]

Yeah, this alone shouldn't be the reason of rating a batsman higher, runs in your own home against strong teams are also tough most of the time.


As for bowling quality and conditions, I wouldnt say its any easier to bat against the current aussie trio compared to Warne, Mcgrath as the pitches these days are spicier compared to the noughties.

SA has got even more treacherous, its way more difficult to score now, earlier they used to dish out some flat pattas every now and then. Also Rabada, Ngidi, jansen, Nortje is a top class attack. Maharaj is also better than any spinner SA had in the 2000s.

Eng has been the same I think Broad and Anderson pose similar threat as Gough and Caddick, maybe a bit more inclined towards this era(jimmy and broad) but pretty similar.

India has become harder for sure, this is the greatest Indian bowling attack of all time, btw Root's scores in India are all on flat tracks in the last two series, he failed on all turners and was only able to score on pattas.

On separate topic, Smith for me is the best TEST batsman I have ever seen, better than Tendulkar and easily better than Lara.

I will rate SRT > Smith > Lara in test. Anyway, 3 best for me in the last 35 years.

Yes, I have not seen Root scoring in India much when pitch was tricky. You can surely argue that it's may be harder to bat now in Aus. SA pitches have become too bowler's friendly recently. All of that may be true, but over a long period, catch all bucket does a reasonable proxy. I have certainly seen Smith scoring on tough surfaces. These stats are just for here while conveying a point. I rate him high mainly because how he has done in some tough series and I have seen him in action.

I do disagree with the bold part. Home runs against good bowling sides are also tough but no where close to doing it in their dens. Take for example, Mcgrath has just 1 5-fers in Asia in entire career despite me and most poeple rating him as the best test pacer in the last 35 years. It will be certainly a different prospect to face McGrath in Aus than in Asia. Anderson and Broad were very hard to face in Eng in their primes, but pretty much just a decent level when playing away.

Rarely we see top class test bowlers who can run through batting line ups in all conditions, but we will frequently see bowlers running through batting line ups in their home conditions. Facing Vern/Rabada in SA is many times harder than facing them in Asia. Even some average bowlers dominate in home conditions and that's the main reason it's hard to do well in away conditions most of the times.

 

[Devadwal]

No , he does not. Gap is just too wide.

The top 4 toughest teams since 1990 in their home,

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List of batsmen who scored heavily against the toughest 4 sides in their home conditions, I highlighted the names you put. Judge for yourself if Root should be rated with names you mentioned. Ponting is actually over rated by fans because he also averaged in 30s against top 4 sides in their den, but at least he has 8 tons. I will take 38 avg with 8 tons vs cute 50s with 41 avg by Root.

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So where you rate Cook and virat ?

 

[Devadwal]

I meant to say don't take comments of online forum by heart.

Next time anyone calls you Aussie boy or any mean words, pls tag me. Hum sambhal lenge.

@Rajdeep no deals becouse if india won the BGT again I'll definitely go after him.

If india lost then me like " Underground hone ke time aa gya h "

 

[Ab Fan]

Entire batting line up of Eng has averaged in 30s, including Root, in Ind/Aus/SA in the last 5 years. It's not just Aus issue.

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Even if you go back to start, he has just 4 tons on Aus/Ind/SA in his entire career. Aus/Ind/SA were comfortably the best 3 bowling sides during Root's career. Cook really scored big in Ind/Aus - has 10 tons and no wonder Eng won in Ind and Aus both when Cook was contributing heavily. Cook is vastly under rated by most fans.

Root is comfortably better than Cook though. Cook performed heavily vs weaker Australia and weaker India in 2010 and 2012 otherwise his record vs quality pace is not good either. He was poor in India va Ashwin/ Jadeja on flat pitches in 2016 too.

Root’s record is only bad in Australia and his tons are low because in the first half of his career, he had conversion issues. But he worked on it later and has been absolutely dominant especially this decade. I would put him at level of Ponting, Kallis and Dravid as batsman, those guys cashed heavily on flat decks in 2000s with ATG pacers retiring.

 

[Buffet]

So where you rate Cook and virat ?

Never compared both of them directly, but probaly Virat slightly higher due to having attacking game as bonus. Not by much though. Just talking test here before some one brings all format argument.

Cook is vastly underrated though. People forget that he played as an opener and has a very good track record everywhere except NZ/SA. On top of that he actaully scored in two biggest series wins for Eng.

 

[Buffet]

Root is comfortably better than Cook though. Cook performed heavily vs weaker Australia and weaker India in 2010 and 2012 otherwise his record vs quality pace is not good either. He was poor in India va Ashwin/ Jadeja on flat pitches in 2016 too.

Root’s record is only bad in Australia and his tons are low because in the first half of his career, he had conversion issues. But he worked on it later and has been absolutely dominant especially this decade. I would put him at level of Ponting, Kallis and Dravid as batsman, those guys cashed heavily on flat decks in 2000s with ATG pacers retiring.

Well, over all Root can be rated higher but even weaker Aus/Ind team in their home grounds were hard to beat. Conversion issue is present in the last 5 years when facing tough oppositions. Root has 21 fifties and only 5 tons in SA/Ind/Aus in the last 5 years. That's a poor conversion rate. I won't really say that he has solved conversion issue. Yah, he may have solved that when facing easier oppositions.

 

[Ab Fan]

Well, over all Root can be rated higher but even weaker Aus/Ind team in their home grounds were hard to beat. Conversion issue is present in the last 5 years when facing tough oppositions. Root has 21 fifties and only 5 tons in SA/Ind/Aus in the last 5 years. That's a poor conversion rate. I won't really say that he has solved conversion issue. Yah, he may have solved that when facing easier oppositions.

I will defend Root here by arguing that tons is not the main factor you have to look at.

For an England batsman, performance away from home in Aus, SA, Ind, NZ, SL and Pak all matters. Windies or Bangladesh can be ignored because if not him, others will do the job.

Performance at home vs top nations matters more than other mid tier teams.

Now, away from home, Root's only blemish is his record in Australia where he has scored 50s inconsistently but couldn't score even a ton which is obviously a major blemish and hence can't be rated as high as Tendulkar, Lara, Viv, Sobers.

At home, his record vs top two teams - Australia and India is simply phenomenal. His performance at home in 2015 Ashes and 2021 Pataudi Trophy were the only reasons why England managed to save or won those series. Without Root, rest of all England batsman failed in 2021 home series vs India, he scored like 750 runs while Rohit was second leading run scorer with 360-370 runs and Rahul was 3rd. Bairstow was awful till that 5th test where he saw a short resurgence with Bazball.

At home, his record vs SA, NZ, Pak, SL all are good too. I have no doubt he is the greatest England cricketer in last 50-60 years and definitely see no reason why he can't be rated at the level of Ponting or Kallis. The guy has only failed in Australia. He had simply amazing series in Sri Lanka too where he single handedly won the series with two big tons there, albeit weaker team but he did it in SL away and ofcourse that ton he got in 2016 Wanderer test which was series decider and bowling friendly conditions was high quality too.

 

[mominsaigol]

@Rajdeep no deals becouse if india won the BGT again I'll definitely go after him.

If india lost then me like " Underground hone ke time aa gya h "

Lol, as if I care. I've met Indians in aus and all of them are a good bunch, you wannabe Indians watching a minnow team so closely is hilarious.

It's like if I seriously started following usa cricket.

I'm fully aware of your agenda and how much of a troll you are, and hence your underground nonsense.

Aa putar, Come at me for BGT. I am eagerly waiting.

As I said, I don't take chronically online obsessed trolls seriously.

 

[Mamoon]

This list tells a lot.

Honestly, I never rated Ponting anywhere close to the likes of Tendulkar and Lara. He is basically similar to Kohli with the only exception that he got to play on docile tracks of the 2000s, his average in 90s was around 44.

Didn't expect Kohli having a better average than Lara against top teams in their own den, looks like he is underrated a lot as a test player.

@mominsaigol @Mamoon look at these stats and pls educate yourself. Joe Root breaking the overall run record wont bring him close to Dravid, let alone Tendulkar.

Virat Kohli and Joe Root have made Tendulkar irrelevant. They have successfully "de-godded" him. He is just another great batsman now.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Virat Kohli and Joe Root have made Tendulkar irrelevant. They have successfully "de-godded" him. He is just another great batsman now.

Well, I am more of a Virat fan than Sachin and as much as I want your post to be true it’s just wrong.

Virat has not de godded Sachin and Joe Root also is nowhere near.

 

[Ab Fan]

Sad to see Pakistani fans celebrating England score 823/7 against their bowling only in their backyard. Life can become cruel indeed.

 

[JaDed]

I think when Joe Root becomes better batsman than Sachin, Ishant and Vaas will become better bowlers than Shoaib Akhtar , Kapil Dev better than Wasim and Imran..

 

[JaDed]

Sad to see Pakistani fans celebrating England score 823/7 against their bowling only in their backyard. Life can become cruel indeed.

They celebrated BD defeating them 2-0 this is nothing..

 

[Mamoon]

Well, I am more of a Virat fan than Sachin and as much as I want your post to be true it’s just wrong.

Virat has not de godded Sachin and Joe Root also is nowhere near.

Your tears will not change the reality. The fact is that Root overtaking Sachin will cause a lot of heartburn and downplaying Root’s greatness as a batsman will only make you look like a bitter loser.

 

[Kohlhaas]

English players are mental midgets. They are always 1 disastrous Ashes series away from Retirement and that too if over age of 32+
Root have very bad record in Australia and that tour may very well be end of him .

That’s a rather silly post.

 

[Mamoon]

Root is very much comparable to Sachin as a batsman. We have all soon both of them. It is not an unfair comparison at all. Sachin wasn’t sent from the heavens.

Both are amongst the most technically sound batsmen we have ever seen, both are exceptional players of swing, seam and spin.

The only area where Tendulkar is visibility better at least for now is playing raw pace. Apart from this, there is nothing between the two.

I can foresee Indians going to tremendous length to discredit, disrespect and downplay Root now that they have pretty much resigned to the fact that barring unforeseen circumstances like a career-ending injury, Root will overtake Tendulkar.

Root deserves huge credit because he has one clear disadvantage compared to Tendulkar. He plays his home Tests in England which is never an easy place to bat due to weather conditions and excessive movement.

As a batsman, you are always at risk of being outdone by an unplayable delivery.

On the contrary, India used to regularly produce flat pitches during Tendulkar’s career. The shift from flat pitches to rank turners happened after his retirement.

 

[HARKS]

That’s a rather silly post.

Silly??? , Cook , Marcus , trott, swann and many more all run away cannot handle pressure

 

[JaDed]

Root is very much comparable to Sachin as a batsman. We have all soon both of them. It is not an unfair comparison at all. Sachin wasn’t sent from the heavens.

Both are amongst the most technically sound batsmen we have ever seen, both are exceptional players of swing, seam and spin.

The only area where Tendulkar is visibility better at least for now is playing raw pace. Apart from this, there is nothing between the two.

I can foresee Indians going to tremendous length to discredit, disrespect and downplay Root now that they have pretty much resigned to the fact that barring unforeseen circumstances like a career-ending injury, Root will overtake Tendulkar.

Root deserves huge credit because he has one clear disadvantage compared to Tendulkar. He plays his home Tests in England which is never an easy place to bat due to weather conditions and excessive movement.

As a batsman, you are always at risk of being outdone by an unplayable delivery.

On the contrary, India used to regularly produce flat pitches during Tendulkar’s career. The shift from flat pitches to rank turners happened after his retirement.

True that’s why Kapil Dev was better than Imran

 

[Kohlhaas]

Silly??? , Cook , Marcus , trott, swann and many more all run away cannot handle pressure

You give four names and extrapolate from that ‘English players’.
Two of those had long standing mental illnesses which are nothing to do with being what you unpleasantly call a ‘mental midget’. More remarkable that they were strong enough to achieve what they did.
I don’t know why Cook is on your list.
So yes, silly.

 

[viveks]

No , he does not. Gap is just too wide.

The top 4 toughest teams since 1990 in their home,

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List of batsmen who scored heavily against the toughest 4 sides in their home conditions, I highlighted the names you put. Judge for yourself if Root should be rated with names you mentioned. Ponting is actually over rated by fans because he also averaged in 30s against top 4 sides in their den, but at least he has 8 tons. I will take 38 avg with 8 tons vs cute 50s with 41 avg by Root.

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NZ have been better than Eng at home during Root's era, if you included NZ root would get to 6 tons, only 2 less than Dravid/Kallis/Ponting.

Moreover not all tons/fifties are created equal. For example, if I filter out for draws then Lara, Dravid and Kallis only have 5 tons using this criteria, while root will have 3(4 if you include NZ). So it's clear that the discrepancy on this list is exaggerated by draws.

It also depends on the total runs scored in the game, for example if your team is bowled out for 200 a fifty is just as valuable as a ton scored on a 400 pitch, so if you look at (just an example) Kallis. SA Averaged about 36 per wicket when touring these countries while he played, while England averaged 28 per wicket when touring the best countries while Root played... Of course the caveat there is that you could argue it has to do with the touring side's batting strength, although I would argue that it's an indicator of the home side's bowling strength+ pitch difficulty(already indicated by the lower amount of draws in Root's era)

 

[Buffet]

NZ have been better than Eng at home during Root's era, if you included NZ root would get to 6 tons, only 2 less than Dravid/Kallis/Ponting.

Here is including NZ in the list,

6 tons in 88 innings, that's just too low. Despite crossing 50s 25 times. Horrible conversion rate.

Root appears near the top when comes to number of attempts he got in these places, but appears near the bottom when comes to going big.

Root lacks the ability to go big against good opposition's in their den. It does not have to be legendary conversion rate but less than 1 out of 4 after crossing 50 is just poor conversion rate.

Yes, all 50s and 100s are not the same, but with a large sample size aproaching 90 innings for Root in these countries, it's futile to argue that Eng or Root faced some unique situations and that's why he failed to go big.







The same list sorted by number of innings:

 

[Falconslions]

Accepting reality is not loser mentality. Pakistan cricket is in the doldrums - nothing new.

You worry about your Indian record getting obliterated, cos Pakistan is not your worry, Root is.

Looking forward to Teenda's tweet

Cricket is not an individual sport. It is a team sport and people care about team results first. No individual is bigger than the team. As long as team is winning, individual records coming and going doesn't matter. They are secondary.

Only those whose team is weak or useless care about secondary things like individual milestones because they have nothing else to look forward to.

Australians don't care about individual records. Thats the mindset of top teams. They want to win and win. Indian is slowly following in their footsteps and leaving behind bad individualistic mindset. This individualism is responsible for the state of Pakistan cricket. Same individualism was responsible for Indian doing poorly before. Kohli changed everything. They are following Australia while Pakistan is going backwards, caring about individuals over team.

 

[Falconslions]

Would India want to win more and more or do you think would India be okay with losing and somehow keep hold of individual records?

I am pretty sure large majority of fans would want their team winning as opposed to individual records 100%

 

[Falconslions]

Top batsmen of all time

Tier 1 - Don Bradman

Tier 2 - Jack Hobbs, Sachin Tendulkar, Gary Sobers, Viv Richards

Tier 3 - Brian Lara, Len Hutton, Wally Hammond, Steve Smith, Sunil Gavaskar

Tier 4 - Ricky Ponting, Jacques Kallis, Greg Chappell, George Headley, Graeme Pollock

Tier 5 - Steve Waugh, Rahul Dravid, Allan Border, Herbert Sutcliffe, Kumar Sangakkara

Tier 6 - Ken Barrington, Joe Root, Javed Miandad, Younis Khan, AB de Villiers

 

[Falconslions]

Virat Kohli is Tier 7 or Tier 8.

 

[viveks]

Here is including NZ in the list,

6 tons in 88 innings, that's just too low. Despite crossing 50s 25 times. Horrible conversion rate.

Root appears near the top when comes to number of attempts he got in these places, but appears near the bottom when comes to going big.

Root lacks the ability to go big against good opposition's in their den. It does not have to be legendary conversion rate but less than 1 out of 4 after crossing 50 is just poor conversion rate.

Yes, all 50s and 100s are not the same, but with a large sample size aproaching 90 innings for Root in these countries, it's futile to argue that Eng or Root faced some unique situations and that's why he failed to go big.




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The same list sorted by number of innings:

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My main point here is that you're comparing data across eras, but Root's era being tougher to bat affects this comparison.

Between 2013-2024(root's Career), there are only 4 batsman that average 40+ using your criteria(4 best home sides in the world) you selected, and one of them is Pant who has a young career.

Between 2003-2013(I just a ten year period to make it fair), there are 14 batsman that average 40+ using the same criteria. So it follows quite logically that those who played between 2003-2013 are going to have more tons than those who played from 2013-2023. That's why I think we have to take into account the overall performance. Surely Root being the clear #3 or #2 bat of his era puts him at ATG status. Now that said, I don't think he's as good as Smith,SRT, Lara but I do think he's as good as Kohli, Dravid, Kallis

 

[FearlessRoar]

Joe Root surpassed Sachin Tendulkar to become the highest run-scorer in the 4th innings of Tests

 

[Romali_rotti]

Joe Root surpassed Sachin Tendulkar to become the highest run-scorer in the 4th innings of Tests

Mashallah a few more flat pancakes like the ones Pakistan served up for Root he will best the record in no time.

 

[atreus]

lol as if Sachin didn't get pancakes flat roads as well, anyway, nice achievement, people can cry about it.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Mashallah a few more flat pancakes like the ones Pakistan served up for Root he will best the record in no time.

Tbh he has smashed India into pieces too.

Hari om.

 

[mominsaigol]

Mashallah a few more flat pancakes like the ones Pakistan served up for Root he will best the record in no time.

Root being a flat track bully is a hilarious claim and shows you have no understanding of cricket.

I've seen Sachin bat live and he's been a bunny on spicy wickets multiple times throughout his career.

Don't get me wrong Sachin has played test atg innings but please don't act like he'd just mollywop everybody.

Sachin has struggled on flat track pancake pakistani wickets. Root failed in the 2nd and 3rd test but they were on spicy wickets and the sajid + nouman were lethal.

Literally was playing on 6 to 10 day pitches.

For me steve smith and sanga in their primes > Sachin. Root is not > Sachin but you guys need to stop making such insulting claims to other cricketers.

Root and Sachin aren't too far off in test cricket.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Root and Sachin aren't too far off in test cricket.

Yes Root and SRT aren't too far off in tests. What a revelation here folks.


Lol. Too many children on this board these days.


This Root kid is struggling to put bat on ball in Aus but yeah he and SRT are almost the same... OK...

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes Root and SRT aren't too far off in tests. What a revelation here folks.


Lol. Too many children on this board these days.


This Root kid is struggling to put bat on ball in Aus but yeah he and SRT are almost the same... OK...

Lol. Too many children on this board these days.

Irony died a 1000 deaths. First look at the way you type your comments before calling others kids. Feels like I'm talking to someone who just came home from kindergarten.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Tbh he has smashed India into pieces too.

Hari om.

You right Cuz, Root has done well when Flat pancakes have been ditched to him India also.

So that is Mashallah + Hari OM = flat track lover.

A whopping 4 x test 100s in 37 odd test matches in Aus/Sa/India.

Yeah our boy is an ATG that's for sure...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lol. Too many children on this board these days.

Irony died a 1000 deaths. First look at the way you type your comments before calling others kids. Feels like I'm talking to someone who just came home from kindergarten.

You lost all credibility kid when you made the Root and SRT are not too far off statement. Now keep your crying going...

 

[mominsaigol]

You lost all credibility kid when you made the Root and SRT are not too far off statement. Now keep your crying going...

I'm not even crying . You're constantly running your mouth. Shocking to see such behaviour from a poster who has been here since 2005.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sachin won only 1 away match in whole of 90s.

And for the rest of his career he has to rely on smashing Bangladesh etc for away wins.

Of course you can say that India team was weak etc etc etc but come on, what's the point in these away stats in games where everyone cashed in and match was drawn.

Or quietly stad padding while team lost.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I'm not even crying . You're constantly running your mouth. Shocking to see such behaviour from a poster who has been here since 2005.

I am just having fun with you, .

In all seriousness that has to be one of the dumbest lines I have read on this forum, that Root / SRT comment you made.

 

[atreus]

You right Cuz, Root has done well when Flat pancakes have been ditched to him India also.

So that is Mashallah + Hari OM = flat track lover.

A whopping 4 x test 100s in 37 odd test matches in Aus/Sa/India.

Yeah our boy is an ATG that's for sure...

3 tons in 15 in India and one in 8 in SA, 4 in 23 in SA/Ind, you include NZ and its 6 tons in 33 games, Reckon he isn't losing any sleep over it.

 

[mominsaigol]

I am just having fun with you, .

In all seriousness that has to be one of the dumbest lines I have read on this forum, that Root / SRT comment you made.

That's your opinion and it I honestly don't care for it lol.

90% of Indians on the forumn has Sachin cord plugged up their butt, makes it impossible to argue or have a decent conversation with any of em

 

[Romali_rotti]

That's your opinion and it I honestly don't care for it lol.

90% of Indians on the forumn has Sachin cord plugged up their butt, makes it impossible to argue or have a decent conversation with any of em

If you don't care why do you keep replying to my posts, shows you care.

But well done once again on your dumb statement

 

[mominsaigol]

If you don't care why do you keep replying to my posts, shows you care.

But well done once again on your dumb statement

Cause its an open forumn, not your chacha's forumn

 

[Romali_rotti]

3 tons in 15 in India and one in 8 in SA, 4 in 23 in SA/Ind, you include NZ and its 6 tons in 33 games, Reckon he isn't losing any sleep over it.

4 test 100s combined vs the top 3 teams of his ERA at their house.

Take the homer glasses off and breathe, now do you honestly believe this is ATG terrirtory?. Be honest.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Cause its an open forumn, not your chacha's forumn

Well then you care...

Proves my point..

 

[mominsaigol]

Well then you care...

Proves my point..

Mera sar maat khao, Chup kar ja, Your wife is calling you.

 

[atreus]

4 test 100s combined vs the top 3 teams of his ERA at their house.

Take the homer glasses off and breathe, now do you honestly believe this is ATG terrirtory?. Be honest.

6 in 33 against top 4 other than Aus, not good enough in Aus

ATG in everything but in Australia/high bounce for me, but every batter has a weakness anyway and has a weak country except like Viv/SRT league

 

[Romali_rotti]

Mera sar maat khao, Chup kar ja, Your wife is calling you.

Ok kid. Let's keep this going.
Lol.

 

[Romali_rotti]

6 in 33 against top 4 other than Aus, not good enough in Aus

ATG in everything but in Australia/high bounce for me, but every batter has a weakness anyway and has a weak country except like Viv/SRT league

Drifting from the question. NZ was not in the league of Aus/SA and India when Root scored against them. NZ finally getting some recognition with their once in a lifetime performance against the Indians recently.

So

I will ask again, is scoring only 4 × 100s total in 37 test matches in AUS/SA/IND atg territory?

Don't drift, an yes or no would be enough thank you..

 

[atreus]

Drifting from the question. NZ was not in the league of Aus/SA and India when Root scored against them. NZ finally getting some recognition with their once in a lifetime performance against the Indians recently.

So

I will ask again, is scoring only 4 × 100s total in 37 test matches in AUS/SA/IND atg territory?

Don't drift, an yes or no would be enough thank you..

No? NZ has been good for a decade lol, they won the first ever world test championship, infact, for the last 10 years the home bowling average of NZ is about 27.64

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

.... that's literally higher than the mighty 2000s Australia team

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

if runs against them count, so do runs against NZ in last 10 years

anyway, ATG in India, ATG in SA, Poor in Australia, thats my answer to your question.

 

[Romali_rotti]

No? NZ has been good for a decade lol, they won the first ever world test championship, infact, for the last 10 years the home bowling average of NZ is about 27.64

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

.... that's literally higher than the mighty 2000s Australia team

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

if runs against them count, so do runs against NZ in last 10 years

anyway, ATG in India, ATG in SA, Poor in Australia, thats my answer to your question.

Keep running.



Steve Smith imo is an ATG that boi has scored all over the globe and if he broke SRTs run tally, I would have zero hesitation in saying he is a better bat than SRT.

I got nothing against Root but even if he broke SRTs record he will always be a league below SRT, but with Smith that would not be the case.

 

[atreus]

Keep running.



Steve Smith imo is an ATG that boi has scored all over the globe and if he broke SRTs run tally, I would have zero hesitation in saying he is a better bat than SRT.

I got nothing against Root but even if he broke SRTs record he will always be a league below SRT, but with Smith that would not be the case.

don't know why you're so confrontational with me, anyway.


Sachin > Smith > Root, for reference, in top 25 that I posted like an hour ago, Sachin came at #4, Smith at #7 and Root at #15 all time, I do think Root can't surpass Sachin without multiple big tours away, SRT being > Joe doesn't affect me at all.