Will Joe Root beat Sachin Tendulkar's record in Tests for most runs?

[kron]

That isn't my argument. I'm not peddling a narrative that root is > Sachin.

I have stated time and again Sachin > Root.

Its just the arguments that some posters are making against root is hilarious.

And btw I am not a fan of England cricket or root. I like him but he doesnt hold a special place in my heart that head or Smith does.

I am as neutral as possible, and im telling you root has been just as good as sachin these past few years excluding Aus.

And tbh his record is almost equal to sachin vs Aus when mcgrath played. Mchrath turned sachin into a no 11 batter.

Root is hindered by a poor start to his career unfortunately.

These past few years hes a 55 avg batter with a 40+ avg in every conditon?

How on earth is he below sachin, Lara, Steve Smith, Ponting, Dravid excluding the 1 or 2 criteria that I have mentioned.

He is already now pretty much = to Ponting?

Both avg 51 now, both have similar run counts and similar overseas records, actually root is better as 35 avg vs Aus is > 26 avg in india for ponting.

Ponting has a better conversion rate though.

Overall he is = to Ponting now as a test batter but below Smith, Lara and Sachin at present.

Fair enough

 

[kron]

That isn't my argument. I'm not peddling a narrative that root is > Sachin.

I have stated time and again Sachin > Root.

Its just the arguments that some posters are making against root is hilarious.

And btw I am not a fan of England cricket or root. I like him but he doesnt hold a special place in my heart that head or Smith does.

I am as neutral as possible, and im telling you root has been just as good as sachin these past few years excluding Aus.

And tbh his record is almost equal to sachin vs Aus when mcgrath played. Mchrath turned sachin into a no 11 batter.

Root is hindered by a poor start to his career unfortunately.

These past few years hes a 55 avg batter with a 40+ avg in every conditon?

How on earth is he below sachin, Lara, Steve Smith, Ponting, Dravid excluding the 1 or 2 criteria that I have mentioned.

He is already now pretty much = to Ponting?

Both avg 51 now, both have similar run counts and similar overseas records, actually root is better as 35 avg vs Aus is > 26 avg in india for ponting.

Ponting has a better conversion rate though.

Overall he is = to Ponting now as a test batter but below Smith, Lara and Sachin at present.

Btw I rate root really high.

He is easily the best ever English bat.

 

[mominsaigol]

When you are a level below, you become part of a larger group of players as the levels keep going lower.

Its like :-

Bradman
2-5
6-15
16-30
31-50

Being a level below Bradman automatically makes you Top 5.

Being level below Sachin/Lara/Viv automatically makes you Top 15.

Being a level below Ponting automatically makes you Top 30.

Lol no, Top 30 means top 30. You fill it out like this

1) Bradman
2) xxxx
3) xxxx

Until you reach 30.

Based of what is Root a LEVEL BELOW Ponting.

Lets debate root vs Ponting rn. Btw I have them as =.

Lets debate this rn

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sachin ringing the bell of his own demise.

 

[mominsaigol]

Btw I rate root really high.

He is easily the best ever English bat.

Ponting will obviously have a greater status then root because he was both an ATG odi and test player.

However in test alone they are currently equal or maybe Ponting is slightly superior atm but the gap isnt that high anymore.

Their is nothing wrong with what I said. Root is the no 1 greatest English batter post WW2 era. It makes sense that he would essentially be in the realm of Ponting, Kallis, Dravid and many others and have the possibility of eventually reaching lara, Sachin, Smith etc etc.

Whether he reaches it or not, I do not know, but he has defo reached Ponting level.

He's easily > Rahul Dravid as well. Surpasses him in every metric except for overall AVG. Hence of people put Dravid > I don't mind.

But he's in this tier.

 

[KingKhanWC]

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Sachin ringing the bell of his own demise.

He is watching the real master at work at the home of cricket. Put on your Saville Row suit but this is England and the greatest runscorer will be English soon.

 

[Sachin fan]

Indian fans will say anything and everything at this point. Who cares what they think.

Here are Sachin's averages against top bowlers of his era.

23 vs James Anderson
11 vs Mcgrath

Avg 36 vs Australia whenever mcgrath played, Avg 32 in pakistan whenever wasim played, avg 32 in sa whenever Donald played.

Sachin only averaged 70 vs Aus when mchrath was absent.

he also has a pathetic head to head record vs Ambrose and many others. He only has a good record vs Warne.

Even against Murli he Avg 32.

@Rajdeep @Devadwal @kron @Bhaijaan @Sachin fan @jeeteshssaxena @Ab Fan


^^ Take note. You guys claim bumrah > Mcgrath and call Root a temu Tenda yet Root avg 30 vs Bumrah while Sachin pretty averages either similar numbers Against other top bowlers or Avg far far worse vs Wasim, Donald's, Ambrose, Mcgrath etc etc.

He has one golden run vs Wasim in odi in 2003 and managed to own waqar younis over and over again.

The fact that people claim sachin owned Akhtar and use it as an achievment when Akhtar is one of the worst test bowlers of all time is hilarious

You know correlation is not causation right? For example in matches against Pakistan Sachin barely got out to big bowlers, he got run out of out to Razak. Similarly how many times has McGrath actually got him out?

You know cricket is with XI players right? Just because McGrath was in the team doesn't automatically show his low average is BECAUSE of him.

I am a data scientist dude, I can do this all day.

 

[mominsaigol]

You know correlation is not causation right? For example in matches against Pakistan Sachin barely got out to big bowlers, he got run out of out to Razak. Similarly how many times has McGrath actually got him out?

You know cricket is with XI players right? Just because McGrath was in the team doesn't automatically show his low average is BECAUSE of him.

I am a data scientist dude, I can do this all day.

Data scientist should be able to explain why sachin avg 11 against mcgrath and 23 vs Anderson.

Your reply didnt address anything.

Sachin avg 11 directly vs mcgrath and 36 against Aus when mcgrath was playing.

He avg 23 directly against anderson. 32 directly vs murli.

These are head to head, not sachin vs team.

Go on data scientist, lets do this all day

 

[Devadwal]

11th times GOAT Bumrah dismissed Temu Sachin in test cricket , Most by any bowler along with Cummins.

 

[kron]

Ponting will obviously have a greater status then root because he was both an ATG odi and test player.

However in test alone they are currently equal or maybe Ponting is slightly superior atm but the gap isnt that high anymore.

Their is nothing wrong with what I said. Root is the no 1 greatest English batter post WW2 era. It makes sense that he would essentially be in the realm of Ponting, Kallis, Dravid and many others and have the possibility of eventually reaching lara, Sachin, Smith etc etc.

Whether he reaches it or not, I do not know, but he has defo reached Ponting level.

He's easily > Rahul Dravid as well. Surpasses him in every metric except for overall AVG. Hence of people put Dravid > I don't mind.

But he's in this tier.

Nha he is definitely better than dravid

Root only needs to tick off the Aus in his checklist
Away from home

Then he could be in smith level tier honestly. Just a touch under smith

Smith is goat though

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Data scientist should be able to explain why sachin avg 11 against mcgrath and 23 vs Anderson.

Your reply didnt address anything.

Sachin avg 11 directly vs mcgrath and 36 against Aus when mcgrath was playing.

He avg 23 directly against anderson. 32 directly vs murli.

These are head to head, not sachin vs team.

Go on data scientist, lets do this all day

Share a link where these averages are calculated, lets see how true this is.

 

[mominsaigol]

Share a link where these averages are calculated, lets see how true this is.

Their on cricmetric and various articles. I'm not the one calculating lol.

Don't question everything to protect your idol.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Over 2,700 more runs to go for Joe Root to climb the mountain.

 

[pillionrider]

That isn't my argument. I'm not peddling a narrative that root is > Sachin.

I have stated time and again Sachin > Root.

Yo. What are we all arguing for then

 

[mominsaigol]

Yo. What are we all arguing for then

We are arguing why some arguments to downplay root are bloody ridiculous.

Myth 1: Sachin performed against better bowlers.

Truth; Sachin avg 11 vs mcgrath, 23 vs Anderson, avg 32 against Pakistan and sa anytime Donald and wasim featured, avg below 20 vs Ambrose. Avg 32 vs Murli.

He has only ever butchered warne and performed well against him. Root avg > 40 against most bowlers as well but obviously top bowlers like Cummins and Bumrah has his no

Myth 2: Root scores soft runs

Sachin has 0, I repeat 0 memorable test wins. Lara has more even laxman has more. He was consistent but wasnt a one hit match winner. He always needed batters at the other end to perform.

Myth 3: Root isnt even Ponting level let alone Sachin.

Root has a 51 avg that keeps rising. From 45 to 51 now. His record across countries is > Ponting. Pinting has a better conversion rate and higher avg.

Ponting is slightly ahead atm, but they are in the same ballpark.

Root needs to get his avg to 53 and Avg to 40 vs Aus., if he does that + Manages to surpass tenda's run tally, it stands to reason he will be > Tenda.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Joe Root's biggest nemesis is Pat Cummins so far
===

 

[Ab Fan]

Test Batsman ranking by tier:-

Tier 1- Sachin, Lara, Smith

Tier 1.5 - Ponting, Viv( tests), Gavaskar, Sangakkara, Chappell

Tier 2 - Dravid, Kallis( batting), Root, Miandad, Border

Tier 2.5 - G Smith, Hayden, ABDV, YK, Cook, Greenidge, Crowe

Tier 3 - Williamson, Sehwag, Chanderpaul, KP, Amla, Kohli, Inzy

Some may like it, some won’t. I will stick to my rankings.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How many catches did Tendulkar take?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Joe Root is the third batter to score a hat-trick of Test hundreds at Lord's, joining Jack Hobbs (1912-1926) and Michael Vaughan (2004-2005)

 

[RexRex]

Over 2,700 more runs to go for Joe Root to climb the mountain.

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37 hundreds is amazing, I didn't know he had that many.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Test Batsman ranking by tier:-

Tier 1- Sachin, Lara, Smith

Tier 1.5 - Ponting, Viv( tests), Gavaskar, Sangakkara, Chappell

Tier 2 - Dravid, Kallis( batting), Root, Miandad, Border

Tier 2.5 - G Smith, Hayden, ABDV, YK, Cook, Greenidge, Crowe

Tier 3 - Williamson, Sehwag, Chanderpaul, KP, Amla, Kohli, Inzy

Some may like it, some won’t. I will stick to my rankings.

Lol you made 2.5 tier, just to accommodate Kohli at 3...what a genius

 

[Ab Fan]

Are bhai, Kohli has retired and sitting out perfectly. What has this to do with him? Nothing to do with any specific player here except Root because this is a thread on Root.

Lol you made 2.5 tier, just to accommodate Kohli at 3...what a genius

 

[sweep_shot]

Lol you made 2.5 tier, just to accommodate Kohli at 3...what a genius

LMAO.

Tier 2.5!!!!! Tier 1.5!!!!!

Never seen such desperate group of people.

 

[Ab Fan]

LMAO.

Tier 2.5!!!!! Tier 1.5!!!!!

Never seen such desperate group of people.

Still no Bangladeshi in any of the tiers.

 

[sweep_shot]

Test Batsman ranking by tier:-

Tier 1- Sachin, Lara, Smith

Tier 1.5 - Ponting, Viv( tests), Gavaskar, Sangakkara, Chappell

Tier 2 - Dravid, Kallis( batting), Root, Miandad, Border

Tier 2.5 - G Smith, Hayden, ABDV, YK, Cook, Greenidge, Crowe

Tier 3 - Williamson, Sehwag, Chanderpaul, KP, Amla, Kohli, Inzy

Some may like it, some won’t. I will stick to my rankings.

I am surprised you didn't go for Tier 0.01, Tier 0.02, Tier 0.03 etc.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Root might not be able to break Sachin's record but he still has been the top 3 players in test cricket of this era.

 

[Hitman]

Root might not be able to break Sachin's record but he still has been the top 3 players in test cricket of this era.

Second best Test batsman of his time after Steve Smith.

 

[Ab Fan]

I am surprised you didn't go for Tier 0.01, Tier 0.02, Tier 0.03 etc.

I was trying to put a BD player in it so thought of going for 0.01,0.02,0.03 etc but still couldn’t get even 1 name in that list.

 

[Ab Fan]

Root might not be able to break Sachin's record but he still has been the top 3 players in test cricket of this era.

Top 5 test players of this era:-

1. Steve Smith
2. Pat Cummins
3. Jasprit Bumrah
4. Joe Root
5. Ravichandran Ashwin

Anderson is retired so not considered.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Their on cricmetric and various articles. I'm not the one calculating lol.

Don't question everything to protect your idol.

Cricmetrics data is freaking wrong, lol.
I knew it, you are using fraudulent data.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

We are arguing why some arguments to downplay root are bloody ridiculous.

Myth 1: Sachin performed against better bowlers.

Truth; Sachin avg 11 vs mcgrath, 23 vs Anderson, avg 32 against Pakistan and sa anytime Donald and wasim featured, avg below 20 vs Ambrose. Avg 32 vs Murli.

He has only ever butchered warne and performed well against him. Root avg > 40 against most bowlers as well but obviously top bowlers like Cummins and Bumrah has his no

Myth 2: Root scores soft runs

Sachin has 0, I repeat 0 memorable test wins. Lara has more even laxman has more. He was consistent but wasnt a one hit match winner. He always needed batters at the other end to perform.

Myth 3: Root isnt even Ponting level let alone Sachin.

Root has a 51 avg that keeps rising. From 45 to 51 now. His record across countries is > Ponting. Pinting has a better conversion rate and higher avg.

Ponting is slightly ahead atm, but they are in the same ballpark.

Root needs to get his avg to 53 and Avg to 40 vs Aus., if he does that + Manages to surpass tenda's run tally, it stands to reason he will be > Tenda.

All your data is wrong, you just admitted that when Devadwal pointed it out, as soon as you started using stats I knew something must be afoot.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

@jeeteshssaxena @Rajdeep @Devadwal

@mominsaigol all your stats are absolutely wrong, there is no way to calculate batsman vs bowler average for 90s players, cricmetric has no data pre 2000,lol.

Saigol should give up on stats based analysis, he is always wrong.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol all your stats are absolutely wrong, there is no way to calculate batsman vs bowler average for 90s players, cricmetric has no data pre 2000,lol.

Saigol should give up on stats based analysis, he is always wrong.

No my data is correct except Sachin vs Mcgrath. Which was 22.22

Keep crying

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

No my data is correct except Sachin vs Mcgrath. Which was 22.22

Keep crying

As I have already said you and stats don’t ho together.
Cricmetrics has no records pre 2000, so no way to calculate player vs player record.

As the stats you presented are wrong, your premise itself is fraudulent. No need of further analysis.

 

[mominsaigol]

As I have already said you and stats don’t ho together.
Cricmetrics has no records pre 2000, so no way to calculate player vs player record.

As the stats you presented are wrong, your premise itself is fraudulent. No need of further analysis.

The other stands of Sachin avg 36 when mcgrath played and 22.22 vs Mcgrath himself, 32 vs SA anytime Donaldson played, 32 vs Murli himself, 23 vs Anderson himself are not fradulent.

I can link the article. Secondly I wasnt wrong about sachin avg 11 vs Mcgrath. I was only half wrong as it didnt calculate pre 2000.

The fact that Sachin avg 11 vs mcgrath from 2000 and post 2000 is hilariously poor.

Root still avg 30 vs Bumrah compared to Sachin avg 22.22 vs amcgrath and 11 post 2000.

Don't always assume the worst in people like you do with me. Not everyone is biased. I have always tried to be neutral despite my hatred towards a few posters.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

He is inching closer to the goal with every passing Test
===

 

[uppercut]

The other stands of Sachin avg 36 when mcgrath played and 22.22 vs Mcgrath himself, 32 vs SA anytime Donaldson played, 32 vs Murli himself, 23 vs Anderson himself are not fradulent.

I can link the article. Secondly I wasnt wrong about sachin avg 11 vs Mcgrath. I was only half wrong as it didnt calculate pre 2000.

The fact that Sachin avg 11 vs mcgrath from 2000 and post 2000 is hilariously poor.

Root still avg 30 vs Bumrah compared to Sachin avg 22.22 vs amcgrath and 11 post 2000.

Don't always assume the worst in people like you do with me. Not everyone is biased. I have always tried to be neutral despite my hatred towards a few posters.

IIRC Ijaz Ahmed and Abdul Razzaq have a very good record against McGrath .... so therefore they are better batsmen than SRT according to your logic ?

 

[mominsaigol]

IIRC Ijaz Ahmed and Abdul Razzaq have a very good record against McGrath .... so therefore they are better batsmen than SRT according to your logic ?

No, never stated it. But ig indians need some strawmanning to try to get a hold off Me

 

[Mamoon]

Sachin test hundred in australia - 7

Temu Sachin test hundred in australia - Anda , Zero

Sachin vs Pakistan = rubbish average of 42

Root vs Pakistan = average of 53

Sachin vs weak English attacks = average 51

Root vs “GOAT” Indian attack = average of 57

 

[mominsaigol]

Sachin vs Pakistan = rubbish average of 42

Root vs Pakistan = average of 53

Sachin vs weak English attacks = average 51

Root vs “GOAT” Indian attack = average of 57

Sachin doesnt avg 40 or above against any good bowler. Post 2000 he averages 5 vs Mcgrath. Overall averages 22.22, Against Anderson he averages 23 total.

He was damn near useless against good bowlers excluding warne who played well against.

 

[uppercut]

No, never stated it. But ig indians need some strawmanning to try to get a hold off Me

Well thats what is implied when you use ludicrous stats to run down great players. So if you believe in using that idiotic logic you should also accept that Ijaz and Razzak are better than Tendulkar

 

[mominsaigol]

Well thats what is implied when you use ludicrous stats to run down great players. So if you believe in using that idiotic logic you should also accept that Ijaz and Razzak are better than Tendulkar

What a moronic statement. One that takes context out of the equation. Then again am not surprised, making a fool out of yourself is common place for an indian.

Razzaq and Ijaz dont have a record anywhere close to Root or Sachin.

Root however has been targeted by indian propaganda with constant fake upon fake myths being peddled around him.

Root averages 50 and or in every country that doesnt include pitch doctoring excluding aus which I will get to in a bit.

The 3 countries where he avg 45, 47 and 24 vs Pakistan, India and Bangladesh took place on spin doctored pitches. No ik indians will deny this 24/7 in order to pretend that jadeja and Ashwin are goats bit even satner who isnt even a test class bowler did ridiculously well in such pitches similar to how warrican did in pakistan.

Bangladesh is 24 but due to only playing 2 matches vs Bangladesh on pitches where even Steve smith averages 27 in those 2 pitches.

Australia is the only issue where Root has genuinely been poor which is why sachin pulls ahead.

However if root rectifies that then he is > Sachin end of story as his avg will automatically increase > sachin's 53 if he manages to get a 40avg vs Aus.

You guys have peddled nonsense narratives about root being a softie when

A) Sachin avg 32 vs Sa when Donald played, avg 32 vs Pakistan when wasim played, avg 22.22 vs Mcgrath and avg 36 vs Aus when mcgrath played. Ironically sachin avg 5 vs Mcgrath after 2000.

Indians peddled this weird narrative on sachin vs Mcgrath being some sort of rivalry when it is so unbelievably one sided in test cricket its hilarious.

Not to mention avg 23 vs Anderson, 32 vs murli, 20 vs Ambrose etc etc.

Sachin has only ever owned Warne, otherwise he is flop against top tier bowlers of his ers while root still has managed to somewhat manage bumrah and Cummins respectively at 28 and 30 avg.

He has owned every other bowler of his era.

Ijaz may not be > Sachin, But he Ironically averages 50 against Aus in the first half of his career and 42 overall with mcgrath included while Sachin was awful against aus whenever mchrath was on.

Credit to sachin for avg 70 vs aus without mcgrath

 

[mominsaigol]

Root needs 31 runs to surpass Dravid and Kallis now

 

[mominsaigol]

Joe root needs 508 runs in the upcoming ashes and 222 runs vs Bangladesh to get his avg to 40 against both.

If he does that his avg will rise > 53 as well.

If he achieves this metric what propaganda will you hide behind this time @jeeteshssaxena @Ab Fan @uppercut and @Romali_rotti

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Joe root needs 508 runs in the upcoming ashes and 222 runs vs Bangladesh to get his avg to 40 against both.

If he does that his avg will rise > 53 as well.

If he achieves this metric what propaganda will you hide behind this time @jeeteshssaxena @Ab Fan @uppercut and @Romali_rotti

How will his average reach 53 if he score 508 in ashes? Ashes is a 5 match series which means 10 innings, if he isn't not out in any of the innings his average will be 50.8, which is similar to his current average, even if he remains not out in one of the innings his avg will be 56 which again won't raise his overall average above 51 let alone 53.

What's your major? You are seriously bad at mathematics.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Joe root needs 508 runs in the upcoming ashes and 222 runs vs Bangladesh to get his avg to 40 against both.

If he does that his avg will rise > 53 as well.

If he achieves this metric what propaganda will you hide behind this time @jeeteshssaxena @Ab Fan @uppercut and @Romali_rotti

Root for me is the greatest bat I have ever seen when there is no pressure and wicket is a belter...

 

[mominsaigol]

How will his average reach 53 if he score 508 in ashes? Ashes is a 5 match series which means 10 innings, if he isn't not out in any of the innings his average will be 50.8, which is similar to his current average, even if he remains not out in one of the innings his avg will be 56 which again won't raise his overall average above 51 let alone 53.

What's your major? You are seriously bad at mathematics.

508 runs will put him at 53, plain and simple

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

508 runs will put him at 53, plain and simple

Are you for real? Math disagrees with you.

 

[Romali_rotti]

What a moronic statement. One that takes context out of the equation. Then again am not surprised, making a fool out of yourself is common place for an indian.

Razzaq and Ijaz dont have a record anywhere close to Root or Sachin.

Root however has been targeted by indian propaganda with constant fake upon fake myths being peddled around him.

Root averages 50 and or in every country that doesnt include pitch doctoring excluding aus which I will get to in a bit.

The 3 countries where he avg 45, 47 and 24 vs Pakistan, India and Bangladesh took place on spin doctored pitches. No ik indians will deny this 24/7 in order to pretend that jadeja and Ashwin are goats bit even satner who isnt even a test class bowler did ridiculously well in such pitches similar to how warrican did in pakistan.

Bangladesh is 24 but due to only playing 2 matches vs Bangladesh on pitches where even Steve smith averages 27 in those 2 pitches.

Australia is the only issue where Root has genuinely been poor which is why sachin pulls ahead.

However if root rectifies that then he is > Sachin end of story as his avg will automatically increase > sachin's 53 if he manages to get a 40avg vs Aus.

You guys have peddled nonsense narratives about root being a softie when

A) Sachin avg 32 vs Sa when Donald played, avg 32 vs Pakistan when wasim played, avg 22.22 vs Mcgrath and avg 36 vs Aus when mcgrath played. Ironically sachin avg 5 vs Mcgrath after 2000.

Indians peddled this weird narrative on sachin vs Mcgrath being some sort of rivalry when it is so unbelievably one sided in test cricket its hilarious.

Not to mention avg 23 vs Anderson, 32 vs murli, 20 vs Ambrose etc etc.

Sachin has only ever owned Warne, otherwise he is flop against top tier bowlers of his ers while root still has managed to somewhat manage bumrah and Cummins respectively at 28 and 30 avg.

He has owned every other bowler of his era.

Ijaz may not be > Sachin, But he Ironically averages 50 against Aus in the first half of his career and 42 overall with mcgrath included while Sachin was awful against aus whenever mchrath was on.

Credit to sachin for avg 70 vs aus without mcgrath

Well credit to Lara for avging 32 vs Donald and Wasim with zero 100s in like a total of 19 matches. To be fair 19 matches combined against those 2 bowlers to not have a single 100 is not a good look for an atg player...

Lara also avgs 37 in Australia when Mcgrath is on the field.

Credit to Lara though he did play well at his house against Mcgrath...

SRT would have been the more solid bat against Mcgrath wasn't for that 1 tennis elbow series test wise..

1999 Series in Aus with Mcgrath & Warne, SRT finished with 46 avg,

2001 Series in India with Mgrath & Warne SRT finished with 50 avg,

2005 Tennis Elbow series with Mgrath & Warne, SRT finished with 17 avg not finishing the series..

 

[mominsaigol]

Root for me is the greatest bat I have ever seen when there is no pressure and wicket is a belter...

Root avg > 50 in every country except Aus, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India.

Pakistan and India he avg 47 and 45 respectively.

Bangladesh he avg 22 but he only played 2 games against them on dustbowls.

Aus he avg 35 with 0 centuries which is why sachin is ahead.

Sachin has a 53 overall avg and a 40 or > avg in every country.

If root manages to up his avg to 40 vs Aus this ashes and 40 vs Bangladesh when they tour to play 2 tests which should be easy as based of recent times, Bangladesh seems to have given up on dustbowls and accepted their fate as a nation that'll never win wtc, t20 world cup, CT or Odi world cup.

Ashes is the only uphill battle.

Is he raises his avg to 40 and finishes his career with 53 avg and 16-17k runs, why wouldnt he be > Sachin?

Social media has caused people especially Old millenials to have brain rot.

They over analyse the modern era innings by innings but view the older era with some folklore analogy.

I've noticed Pakistani posters do this with zaheer abass even though he wasnt a very good batsmen outside england and Pakistan conditons.

They do this sachin, Lara, Dhoni, Bevan and many others. Neither of these guys are as good as they are made out to be.

Yes they are ATG and one of the best their ever will be but people view them as unsurpassable Gods and some folklore.

Kohli has already surpassed Sachin by miles in odi with Viv being the only debate and contention.

Gary Sobers is > Sachin by miles if you equate their respective era dominance. Steve Smith would have been as well but he fell off after the 8 year period so fair point.

Same case with bowlers. Rabada is a better bowler then James Anderson lol yet anderson is viewed as some weird folklore goat.

Excluding Mcgrath, the current aussie pace trio + Boland is > the likes of Brett lee, Gillespie etc etc.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Root avg > 50 in every country except Aus, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India.

Pakistan and India he avg 47 and 45 respectively.

Bangladesh he avg 22 but he only played 2 games against them on dustbowls.

Aus he avg 35 with 0 centuries which is why sachin is ahead.

Sachin has a 53 overall avg and a 40 or > avg in every country.

If root manages to up his avg to 40 vs Aus this ashes and 40 vs Bangladesh when they tour to play 2 tests which should be easy as based of recent times, Bangladesh seems to have given up on dustbowls and accepted their fate as a nation that'll never win wtc, t20 world cup, CT or Odi world cup.

Ashes is the only uphill battle.

Is he raises his avg to 40 and finishes his career with 53 avg and 16-17k runs, why wouldnt he be > Sachin?

Social media has caused people especially Old millenials to have brain rot.

They over analyse the modern era innings by innings but view the older era with some folklore analogy.

I've noticed Pakistani posters do this with zaheer abass even though he wasnt a very good batsmen outside england and Pakistan conditons.

They do this sachin, Lara, Dhoni, Bevan and many others. Neither of these guys are as good as they are made out to be.

Yes they are ATG and one of the best their ever will be but people view them as unsurpassable Gods and some folklore.

Kohli has already surpassed Sachin by miles in odi with Viv being the only debate and contention.

Gary Sobers is > Sachin by miles if you equate their respective era dominance. Steve Smith would have been as well but he fell off after the 8 year period so fair point.

Same case with bowlers. Rabada is a better bowler then James Anderson lol yet anderson is viewed as some weird folklore goat.

Excluding Mcgrath, the current aussie pace trio + Boland is > the likes of Brett lee, Gillespie etc etc.

With series against Bangladesh and a few more series in ENG rolled out on the flat phatta pancake wickets, I feel Root will eclipse SRT in a year and a half...

Steve Smith would get better recognition had he broken SRT's record as he scored the tough runs, while Rooty is just a flat phatta wicket zero pressure performing player..

 

[mominsaigol]

With series against Bangladesh and a few more series in ENG rolled out on the flat phatta pancake wickets, I feel Root will eclipse SRT in a year and a half...

Steve Smith would get better recognition had he broken SRT's record as he scored the tough runs, while Rooty is just a flat phatta wicket zero pressure performing player..

Dude you shouldn't be biased and try understanding people's perspectives from an open mind. Dont be as close minded.

You are alot older then I am and have been here longer so I always feel bad if I end up speaking out of line which happens often but it is very difficult to communicate if you aren't willing to understand people's perspectives.

Let me restart. Jamie Smith is an extremely talented batsmen who can be Gilly's spiritual successor in test cricket as I view QDK as Gilly's spiritual successor in odi cricket.

That does not mean that are better then gilly or = to him, however QDK is the closest we came to Gilly in odi.

Both are openers, Both are aggressive and both were the best keeper bats that their countries produced. Qdk also tonked 4 centuries in 2023 wc and was overall a terrific batsmen but yes unlike gilly he suffers the classic sa semi final or final choke mentality.

Similarly Jamie Smith is a solid no 7 batter for test. He is aggressive and can entertain + bat extremely well. If you wish to include oant here as well, sure although I disagree, I view Jamie smith as better but apples to oranges at this point.

Similarly with root, people look at end of career statistics (all metrics) to analyse who is better. Sanga and williamson despite having a 57 and 54 avg with a buttload of runs and centuries are viewed lesser then Ponting due to poor records in some countries.

Root has a terrific record in every country except Australia. The only metric tenda is > him is overall avg + Aus avg. As tenda's weakest avg of 40 in pakistan is > Root's weakest avg of 35 in aus.

The gap is closing at a rapid rate and indians do need to accept certain facts.

 

[Ab Fan]

Top 10 test batsman since I am watching cricket:-

Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Steve Smith
Ricky Ponting
Kumar Sangakkara

Jacques Kallis
Rahul Dravid
Joe Root
Steve Waugh
Matthew Hayden

Root is 8th in ranking while Tendulkar is at the top spot. All hail the GOAT, Tendulkar.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Dude you shouldn't be biased and try understanding people's perspectives from an open mind. Dont be as close minded.

You are alot older then I am and have been here longer so I always feel bad if I end up speaking out of line which happens often but it is very difficult to communicate if you aren't willing to understand people's perspectives.

Let me restart. Jamie Smith is an extremely talented batsmen who can be Gilly's spiritual successor in test cricket as I view QDK as Gilly's spiritual successor in odi cricket.

That does not mean that are better then gilly or = to him, however QDK is the closest we came to Gilly in odi.

Both are openers, Both are aggressive and both were the best keeper bats that their countries produced. Qdk also tonked 4 centuries in 2023 wc and was overall a terrific batsmen but yes unlike gilly he suffers the classic sa semi final or final choke mentality.

Similarly Jamie Smith is a solid no 7 batter for test. He is aggressive and can entertain + bat extremely well. If you wish to include oant here as well, sure although I disagree, I view Jamie smith as better but apples to oranges at this point.

Similarly with root, people look at end of career statistics (all metrics) to analyse who is better. Sanga and williamson despite having a 57 and 54 avg with a buttload of runs and centuries are viewed lesser then Ponting due to poor records in some countries.

Root has a terrific record in every country except Australia. The only metric tenda is > him is overall avg + Aus avg. As tenda's weakest avg of 40 in pakistan is > Root's weakest avg of 35 in aus.

The gap is closing at a rapid rate and indians do need to accept certain facts.

Root is similar to an action movie with no fight scenes or gun shots = over rated.

The lad doesn't score tough runs, I do feel he will ecliplse SRT's run tally but Steve Smith is always a level ahead for me for getting the tough the runs...

Root is a good natured kid though, I like him on and off the field, good character...

 

[Technics 1210]

Lol you made 2.5 tier, just to accommodate Kohli at 3...what a genius

It's ridiculous, but understood given their desperation.

They try to be so smart! Tier 1.5 You mean Tier 2.

I would have used the Alphabet instead!

I can only imagine how these self loathing Sachinistas would implode the day he loses the record.

Tier 1.5 and 2.5 - hahahahahahahahahaha. Quality scaling - 2 tier Starmer style!

 

[mominsaigol]

Root is similar to an action movie with no fight scenes or gun shots = over rated.

The lad doesn't score tough runs, I do feel he will ecliplse SRT's run tally but Steve Smith is always a level ahead for me for getting the tough the runs...

Root is a good natured kid though, I like him on and off the field, good character...

Steve Smith is better obviously. His avg in prime was 65 and despite a form slump it remains at 56. After Sachin and ww2 era players, he is the only cricketer after tenda ro avg 40 or > in every country he has played 5 or more games in.

In his 8 year prime he was similar to Bradman as the likes of Kohli, Root and Williamson were so far behind in and he was so far ahead of every test batter in all metrics that he made everyone else irrelevant.

However he declined. Steve Smith is my favourite test player but he declined. In 2022 he avg 41 which was the first time his year by year avg declined before 50, his peak is 86. Then the following year in 2023 he avg 33 and was a footnote. Especially his opening stint from late 2023 to 2024 which failed with him avg 28.

In 2024 he recovered but the avg is still at 45. Same story in 2025 so far where his avg would be lower if not for a minor atat pad series vs Sri Lanka where even usman Khawaja tonked a 200.

Currently due to the form slump I view Smith and Sachin as Equal or Smith is slightly ahead of Tenda but I feel Smith will decline further if he doesnt retire by Ashes.

Atm Smith is only slightly > Tenda.

Joe root is obviously below these 2, but he can edge past them if he has a successful ashes + bamgladesh series and maintain said momentum.

Also no of runs is a flawed metrics as is no of wickets. Anderson is not > Mcgrath deapite taking more wickets.

Ponting is not > Lara despite scoring more runs, Runs is no of matches dependant.

Steve Smith actually scored 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, 9000, runs faster then Tenda did.

Due to a form slump however it took him more innings to get to 10K runs. He has literally played less then 120 Test matches. How is he suppose to get to Ponting?

Everyone knows Despite ponting having 13K runs, Steve Smith is heads and shoulders > him in test cricket.

 

[Technics 1210]

Root might not be able to break Sachin's record but he still has been the top 3 players in test cricket of this era.

Top 0.5 to be precise.

We should pay careful attention to this thread before, during, and after, the Pakistan tour of England next year. Pakistan will happily obliged by gifting Root runs, and the year after that.

PCB alone will be responsible for gifting Root 1000+ runs, and I expect a full onslaught of the cult during the series next year.

 

[mominsaigol]

Root might not be able to break Sachin's record but he still has been the top 3 players in test cricket of this era.

Highly doubt it. England plays way too many tests. Root is surpassing Sachin in runs 100%

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Top 0.5 to be precise.

We should pay careful attention to this thread before, during, and after, the Pakistan tour of England next year. Pakistan will happily obliged by gifting Root runs, and the year after that.

PCB alone will be responsible for gifting Root 1000+ runs, and I expect a full onslaught of the cult during the series next year.

Pakistan should make full flat wickets for the history of this game.

 

[Technics 1210]

Pakistan should make full flat wickets for the history of this game.

Broad, and event Crawley, were gifted 150 scores vs Pakistan.

Flat wickets, and field first all the way!

Goli maro FTP schedule ko. Its all a formality anyway!

Maze karo, and Pakistan ahould intend on having fun - not as if Pakistan heading to Test #4 let alone #1 anyway!

The world will be watching! Mega mega media revenue for PCB!

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC

 

[Katwalindian]

Root was sitting duck when pakistan changes wickets for 2nd and 3rd tests

 

[mominsaigol]

Root was sitting duck when pakistan changes wickets for 2nd and 3rd tests

Everyone would have been. Those pitches are lottery. No one can perform on such wickets.

 

[Katwalindian]

Everyone would have been. Those pitches are lottery. No one can perform on such wickets.

Saud shakeel, KG performed, jamie smith performed.....your favourite can't perform so its a lottery It was not as bad as pak vs wi series pitches....England choked on decent pitches.....Root always needs pattas to perform

 

[mominsaigol]

Saud shakeel, KG performed, jamie smith performed.....your favourite can't perform so its a lottery It was not as bad as pak vs wi series pitches....England choked on decent pitches.....Root always needs pattas to perform

Pakistan got to bat first thats why. Everyone who saw those matches would know why the batting first party had the greater advantage.

 

[Katwalindian]

Pakistan batted 2nd in 3rd test and still england was dud

Pakistan got to bat first thats why. Everyone who saw those matches would know why the batting first party had the greater advantage.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan batted 2nd in 3rd test and still england was dud

If root was a flat track bully, then explain how he averages 50+ in every country excluding Aus and Dustbowls?

Aus pitches aren't standard pitches, their unique tennis style pitches with tennis swing and bounce that aren't offered elsewhere.

Pakistan and India pitches are duatbowls. Despite this he avg 45 and 47 here as well.

Aus is the only country he is poor in.

Take this rubbish phatta nonsense elsewhere. Fans who don't watch cricket do not deserve to comment.

 

[Katwalindian]

If root was a flat track bully, then explain how he averages 50+ in every country excluding Aus and Dustbowls?

Aus pitches aren't standard pitches, their unique tennis style pitches with tennis swing and bounce that aren't offered elsewhere.

Pakistan and India pitches are duatbowls. Despite this he avg 45 and 47 here as well.

Aus is the only country he is poor in.

Take this rubbish phatta nonsense elsewhere. Fans who don't watch cricket do not deserve to comment.

He is your favourite that's why you are defending him, when I am gonna defend my favourite you gonna become salty....the point of matter is he is on the level of micheal Clarke, mahela jayawardena and a rung below KP and ABD....

 

[mominsaigol]

He is your favourite that's why you are defending him, when I am gonna defend my favourite you gonna become salty....the point of matter is he is on the level of micheal Clarke, mahela jayawardena and a rung below KP and ABD....

Steve Smith is my favourite not Root.

Anyway don't derail with trolling behaviour.

Your claim is Root is a flat track bully

Explain how he

A) avg 50 or above in every country excluding Aus, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh

Pakistan, India and Bangladesh curates dustbowls. This is a known fact that even the most loyal lying indian fans cannot deny. Bare minimum they curaye spinning tracks that allow spinners like jadeja who otherwise get thrashed black and blue in Aus and England to actually avg 20.

Same way sajid and Noman avg better then Warne and Murli at their own home den. Bangladesh has been doing the same thing.

These spinning tracks aren't just spin tracks, they cause major sharp turn that would make Shane Warne blush lol.

Despite this he still avg 40+ in these regions, excluding Bangladesh but he has only played 2 games their. Bangladesh aint troubling root lol.

Aus is the onoy place he struggles but Aus pitches aren't standard, These tennis pitches aren't offered anywhere else except Aus.

^^ So explain this metric. A flat track bully avg 50+ in every country where duatbowls aren't generated

 

[mominsaigol]

He is your favourite that's why you are defending him, when I am gonna defend my favourite you gonna become salty....the point of matter is he is on the level of micheal Clarke, mahela jayawardena and a rung below KP and ABD....

mahela jayawardena and a rung below KP and ABD....

Pfffftttttttttttt, HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAGAGAHAHAAGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH.

This is why no one should take such trolls seriously.

 

[Mamoon]

We need to understand that Indians are extra salty when it comes to Root is because he has spanked their bowlers more so than any team.

No team has conceded more runs to Root than India has, so if you are dismissing his credentials as a batsman, you are effectively dismissing the credentials of your bowlers.

On one hand, Indians claim that they have the GOAT bowling unit in the last 10 years or so but then on the other hand, they want to dismiss Root for taking advantage of weak bowling, lack of pressure, etc.

If Root could only play Test cricket against the likes of Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja, Siraj, Shami etc., he would have already crossed Tendulkar.

If Indian bowlers were good enough to contain him, he wouldn’t even be in contention to break Tendulkar’s record now. They have been such a huge helping hand for him.

 

[Ab Fan]

We need to understand that Indians are extra salty when it comes to Root is because he has spanked their bowlers more so than any team.

No team has conceded more runs to Root than India has, so if you are dismissing his credentials as a batsman, you are effectively dismissing the credentials of your bowlers.

On one hand, Indians claim that they have the GOAT bowling unit in the last 10 years or so but then on the other hand, they want to dismiss Root for taking advantage of weak bowling, lack of pressure, etc.

If Root could only play Test cricket against the likes of Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja, Siraj, Shami etc., he would have already crossed Tendulkar.

If Indian bowlers were good enough to contain him, he wouldn’t even be in contention to break Tendulkar’s record now. They have been such a huge helping hand for him.

Your lovely acknowledgment of Indian bowlers helping Root would be nicer if he atleast gets closer to under 2000 runs gap with Sachin’s tally. Otherwise it will sound silly because he is currently 2600 runs behind and almost 35, avg is barely over 50 and losing his form, especially away from home.

 

[Mamoon]

Your lovely acknowledgment of Indian bowlers helping Root would be nicer if he atleast gets closer to under 2000 runs gap with Sachin’s tally. Otherwise it will sound silly because he is currently 2600 runs behind and almost 35, avg is barely over 50 and losing his form, especially away from home.

Whether he gets there or not remains to be seen, but what we already know that if the likes of Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami, Siraj etc. were skilled enough to stop him from spanking them, he wouldn’t even be in contention to overtake Tendulkar.

In other words, Indian bowlers are the biggest reason why Root has a strong chance of overtaking Sachin.

 

[mominsaigol]

Root will 100% score one more century this tour.

 

[Ab Fan]

Whether he gets there or not remains to be seen, but what we already know that if the likes of Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami, Siraj etc. were skilled enough to stop him from spanking them, he wouldn’t even be in contention to overtake Tendulkar.

In other words, Indian bowlers are the biggest reason why Root has a strong chance of overtaking Sachin.

Unfortunately, knowing facts are always important before we make any conclusion. Lets look at test series result between two teams in last 10 years:

2024 India vs England- Result 4-1 India
2021-22 England vs India - Result 2-2 drawn
2021 India vs England - Result 3-1 India
2018 England vs India - Result 4-1 England
2016 India vs England - Result 4-0 India

Overall result - India 13 - 8 England

Last 10 years history tells us Indian bowlers you named ( Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, Ashwin, Jadeja) have dominated England team quite comprehensively. So much for the spanking that you are gloating about, unfortunately it is the other way. India have given more spankings to England with Root being the main player of their team all these years. There is no point of him scoring some cheap runs when last time his team could beat India was way back in 2018, that was Bumrah’s first year of his test career and Siraj hadn’t debuted.

 

[Ab Fan]

^ A slight correction, its actually 14-8 India @Mamoon

 

[Mamoon]

@Ab Fan

We are not talking about head to head results. We are talking about his runs.

Most runs scored overall: India
Most runs scored in an away country: India
Most runs scored at home: India



Even if England were to lose every Test vs India in his career, it has nothing to do with him scoring more runs than Tendulkar.

In fact, this makes it even worse for India. They weren’t good enough to stop him from scoring even though they dominated the other English players.

It should have been much harder for Root to be prolific vs India if England were losing most of the matches.

The likes of Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami and Siraj etc. should hang their heads in shame.

When Root made his Test debut in Nagpur in 2012, India had no idea their new Abu had arrived.

 

[Ab Fan]

@Ab Fan

We are not talking about head to head results. We are talking about his runs.

Most runs scored overall: India
Most runs scored in an away country: India
Most runs scored at home: India



Even if England were to lose every Test vs India in his career, it has nothing to do with him scoring more runs than Tendulkar.

In fact, this makes it even worse for India. They weren’t good enough to stop him from scoring even though they dominated the other English players.

It should have been much harder for Root to be prolific vs India if England were losing most of the matches.

The likes of Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami and Siraj etc. should hang their heads in shame.

When Root made his Test debut in Nagpur in 2012, India had no idea their new Abu had arrived.

What is the point of most runs scored?

What is his batting average in India? Less than 45

I repeat, the scoreline of 14-8 tells us that Root has mostly accumulated soft runs vs India and not been able to help his country from getting ashamed and embarrassed when playing vs India. Such has been the dominance that England have been forced to accept that in cricket, India are their real Abu and that too during a period when one of their so called greatest test player played the game.

If I am an Indian bowler, I am more than happy conceding runs to Root but in return help my country win more games than he would. They have all the reasons to feel proud that they have spanked England team alongwith their best player far more times in a head to head record.

 

[Technics 1210]

Were not even in the 2000 run margin yet and Sachinstas are all over the place! Comparing H2H stats of teams when countering Joe Roots performance vs India. The state of the Sachinsta mind!

They know deep down, the only reason Tendulkar has those extra runs was cos he was record stat padding for his 100th 100.

Some one contact the PCB. Pay day has arrived!

 

[Mamoon]

What is the point of most runs scored?

That is literally the only point that matters when it comes to Root overtaking Tendulkar as the leading run scorer in Test history.

But this is a precursor to how Indians fans will heal their wounds if he breaks the record. They will say that it doesn’t matter because Root lost to India more often than he beat India.