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Will Joe Root beat Sachin Tendulkar's record in Tests for most runs?

DeadlyVenom said:
Root is working on a noble cause. He deserves the support of all fans of the support. This is a historic battle between good and evil being played out Infront of our eyes.
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Agree.

Root is playing on behalf of cricket world. Root is the Iron-Man while Tendulkar is Thanos. :inti

It is the battle of good vs evil. Cricket world has been hijacked by the dark force known as BCCI/India. :inti
 
Not only will he break the record, he will do it a lot earlier than people think and also get a healthy lead over him.

Look at where he was in 2023 and where he is now. It’s astonishing. He also has better fitness than a certain vegan with Whoop band who retired at 36 after pretending to be a super athlete, so he will easily play until 37-38 which means another 4 years of misery for Indian fans.

Since Jan 2021, he has scored 5,586 runs in 60 Tests @56 with 21 hundreds.

41 of these 60 Tests have come against Australia, India, New Zealand and South Africa, the four best bowling attacks of this period.

This is a staggering peak and certainly one of the highest levels of Test batting the game has ever seen. Root will be a world class Test batsman in any era. His technique, poise and temperament are timeless.
 
The biggest irony of indian mocking root is that they are the biggest culprits in helping root break the record.

Its almost as if they have been begging root to break the record. Take responsibility and blame yourself for once.
 
mominsaigol said:
The biggest irony of indian mocking root is that they are the biggest culprits in helping root break the record.

Its almost as if they have been begging root to break the record. Take responsibility and blame yourself for once.
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And he has dominated India in an era where Indians claim that their bowling is the best in their history led by GOAT Bumrah 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
sweep_shot said:
The way Indians are looking to downplay Root is quite hilarious.

Very insecure and childish stuff. :inti
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The irony of it all is that despite hating Pakistan,

Pakistan has kept root extremely quiet for India lol. Before that flat track 262, Root avg under 50 vs Pakistan. Despite that 262 he has only scored 2 centuries vs Pakistan compared to scoring 13 vs India.

This is despite the fact that root has played vs Pakistan 18 x and against india 35 times.

Root has scored more 100's against india then 50's lol.

13 100's 12 50's 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

This ungrateful lot needs to thank Pakistan and Australia for once. If not for these 2, then the record would have already been broken by now.
 
Batter Joe Root says he will not focus on beating Sachin Tendulkar's Test run-scoring record during the rest of his career

Root, 34, moved up to second in the list with his century on day four of the fourth Test against India at Old Trafford on Friday.

He now has 13,409 Test runs - 2,512 adrift of India legend Tendulkar's record.

"Those sort of things should look after themselves," Root told BBC Test Match Special.

"The focus has to be about winning games, setting them up if we're earlier on in the Test match and if we need to chase something down, figuring out how to play that situation well.

"It might sound a little bit boring and methodical, but ultimately that's what I need to do to help England win and that's why we play the game."

Root surpassed Ponting with his 120th run in England's first innings. Earlier in the knock he also pipped India great Rahul Dravid and legendary South Africa all-rounder Jacques Kallis.

He reached his current position in his 157th Test. Tendulkar played 200 Tests between 1989 and 2013 and played in Root's debut in India in 2012.

"It's not something that I will focus on," Root said.

"Ricky's someone that I grew up admiring, watching, trying to emulate, copy in the garden and at my local club - trying to play the pull shot that he's obviously world famous for.

"So even just to be spoken about in the same sentence as those guys, the people that you grew up wanting to emulate and pretending to be is pretty cool."

Across his career, Root is averaging 85.4 runs per match. At that rate, he would need 30 more Tests to pass Tendulkar.

But since the beginning of 2021 he has averaged 93 runs per Test and since the third Test in India last year, 101 runs in 19.

That would mean he would reach Tendulkar's haul in 25 Tests' time, possibly in the summer of 2027 when he would be 36.

Source: BBC
 
Root is getting closer and closer every day.. 2500+ run is not a joke but if root playes for 2-3 years more, we will definitely see him breaking that record.
 
Dear Australia please win Ashes. But please let root score 517 runs so that he may reach the 40 avg in Aus and reach 14K test runs this year thanks.
 
Not a great series for Root if we try to go with words of some posters who called Jadeja as fraud. He has been outperformed by Ravindra Jadeja purely as a batsman and that too in his backyard.
 
Ab Fan said:
Not a great series for Root if we try to go with words of some posters who called Jadeja as fraud. He has been outperformed by Ravindra Jadeja purely as a batsman and that too in his backyard.
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Quality of runs matter more then quantity. This is by far the weakest post on PP.

Root 50's in the 1st test was a not out one and helped england win the 1st test. Duckett did most of tue work but a collapse was still on the cards due to the volume of runs needed + time running out on the 5th day.

Root scored a rapid fire 50 and won the game.

Then in the 3rd test Root scored a century while no other batter crossed 50. His century ensured that the scored were level in the first innings and in the 3rd innings his 40 is the reason why england won by 22 runs.

In the 4th test it was a draw but his 150 cannot be under sold.

In comparison I wanna know exactly what jadeja achieved with the bat? The 2nd test made no difference since wngland loat by 330+ runs. Jadeja adding any runs makes zero difference other then the fact that 336 becomes 270-290.

In the first test it made no difference as india lost, his 3rd test score made no difference as siraj and Bumrah couldnt last long enough.

Please show me an innings where jadeja can be cited as directly responsible for wins via batting?
 
mominsaigol said:
Quality of runs matter more then quantity. This is by far the weakest post on PP.

Root 50's in the 1st test was a not out one and helped england win the 1st test. Duckett did most of tue work but a collapse was still on the cards due to the volume of runs needed + time running out on the 5th day.

Root scored a rapid fire 50 and won the game.

Then in the 3rd test Root scored a century while no other batter crossed 50. His century ensured that the scored were level in the first innings and in the 3rd innings his 40 is the reason why england won by 22 runs.

In the 4th test it was a draw but his 150 cannot be under sold.

In comparison I wanna know exactly what jadeja achieved with the bat? The 2nd test made no difference since wngland loat by 330+ runs. Jadeja adding any runs makes zero difference other then the fact that 336 becomes 270-290.

In the first test it made no difference as india lost, his 3rd test score made no difference as siraj and Bumrah couldnt last long enough.

Please show me an innings where jadeja can be cited as directly responsible for wins via batting?
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The truth is Root and Gill have easily been the match winners of their team from a bowling perspective with Stokes being the match winner of his team from a bowling perspective.

Ironically bumrah cannot be cited as relevant as indian bowlers became heroes without his contribution in the 2nd test.
 
The cult comparing GOAT Root with Jadeja. I though the cult didnt care?

Of course Root going from 6th to 2nd in one Test match is the big story, will be the big story, and forever will be the story.

Jadeja like Tendulkar was simply given more time. Hardly the stuff of skillz.
 
mominsaigol said:
The truth is Root and Gill have easily been the match winners of their team from a bowling perspective with Stokes being the match winner of his team from a bowling perspective.

Ironically bumrah cannot be cited as relevant as indian bowlers became heroes without his contribution in the 2nd test.
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Gill is definitely a better bowler than batsman
 
The fake GOAT Root getting outperformed by the real GOAT Ravindra Jadeja in his own backyard should be the headline of the series. :inti
 
Indians are getting anxious as Root closes in on Tendulkar's record. :ROFLMAO:

We all know that Tendulkar was the king of soft runs. Scoring useless 100s in losing causes. He was no match-winner. The only thing that Tendulkar has going for him is the fact that he scored more runs than anyone, and that is because he selfishly played on for too long because he was chasing the achievement of scoring 100 centuries combined in all formats, which is a useless achievement that was made up for Tendulkar.

Root breaking the test match run record will mean the balance is being restored in the universe. I hope he not only breaks Tendulkar's record for most runs, but also his record for most test centuries. If Root maintains his current form for just 2 more years, he will comfortably break both records and make a lot of Indians cry. :cry:
 
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Temu Tendulkar Test batting average was around 42.4. After the implementation of Bazball, his average has increased to around 50.1

Once they started producing the flat track for bazballers tullebaaz he increased his AVG. He is a FTB

:kp
 
Joe Root, England's No.4, a modern-day legend and arguably England's greatest ever Test batter, has made headlines quite a few times in the past few weeks. In England's ongoing series against India, the former English skipper has broken multiple batting records.

Root recently became the second-highest run-scorer in the history of Test cricket, just behind the great Sachin Tendulkar. With 13,409 runs,1 Root surpassed former Australian skipper Ricky Ponting (13378 runs) to take up the second spot in the elite list.

However, Michael Clarke, the former Aussie captain believes that while the English batter might surpass Sachin Tendulkar in runs, he might not get the same respect as the Indian legend, who he believes has been the greatest of all.

What did Michael Clarke say about Sachin Tendulkar vs Joe Root in Tests?​

Joe Root has been the backbone of the English batting lineup for quite a few years. He has been the most integral batter for England, scoring the bulk of the runs even in the Bazball era.

In 40 tests since May 12, 2022, when Brendon McCullum took over as England's Test team coach, Root has amassed over 3500 runs at an average of nearly 58.

Michael Clarke has now shared his opinions about the English batter Joe Root. Speaking on his YouTube channel, Clarke said:

"Joe Root, wow, his record is phenomenal. I still can't believe he hasn't made a hundred in Australia. Goes past Ricky Ponting as the second-highest run-scorer now in Test cricket and sitting only behind the great Sachin Tendulkar."

Clarke believes Joe Root has technical flaws unlike Sachin Tendulkar​

Clarke further praised India legend Sachin Tendulkar, calling him the best batter ever after Sir Donald Bradman.

The former Australian captain remarked that while Root might go past Tendulkar's record, he might not be able to match the stature and respect that the Indian has earned, who, according to Clarke, had no technical flaws.

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'Joe Root won't be respected like Sachin Tendulkar' - Michael Clarke says England batter isn't flawless | Sporting News United Kingdom

Joe Root recently went past Ricky Ponting, becoming the second-highest run getter in Test cricket. He now sits just behind the great Sachin Tendulkar
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Rajdeep said:
Joe Root, England's No.4, a modern-day legend and arguably England's greatest ever Test batter, has made headlines quite a few times in the past few weeks. In England's ongoing series against India, the former English skipper has broken multiple batting records.

Root recently became the second-highest run-scorer in the history of Test cricket, just behind the great Sachin Tendulkar. With 13,409 runs,1 Root surpassed former Australian skipper Ricky Ponting (13378 runs) to take up the second spot in the elite list.

However, Michael Clarke, the former Aussie captain believes that while the English batter might surpass Sachin Tendulkar in runs, he might not get the same respect as the Indian legend, who he believes has been the greatest of all.

What did Michael Clarke say about Sachin Tendulkar vs Joe Root in Tests?​

Joe Root has been the backbone of the English batting lineup for quite a few years. He has been the most integral batter for England, scoring the bulk of the runs even in the Bazball era.

In 40 tests since May 12, 2022, when Brendon McCullum took over as England's Test team coach, Root has amassed over 3500 runs at an average of nearly 58.

Michael Clarke has now shared his opinions about the English batter Joe Root. Speaking on his YouTube channel, Clarke said:

"Joe Root, wow, his record is phenomenal. I still can't believe he hasn't made a hundred in Australia. Goes past Ricky Ponting as the second-highest run-scorer now in Test cricket and sitting only behind the great Sachin Tendulkar."

Clarke believes Joe Root has technical flaws unlike Sachin Tendulkar​

Clarke further praised India legend Sachin Tendulkar, calling him the best batter ever after Sir Donald Bradman.

The former Australian captain remarked that while Root might go past Tendulkar's record, he might not be able to match the stature and respect that the Indian has earned, who, according to Clarke, had no technical flaws.

www.sportingnews.com

'Joe Root won't be respected like Sachin Tendulkar' - Michael Clarke says England batter isn't flawless | Sporting News United Kingdom

Joe Root recently went past Ricky Ponting, becoming the second-highest run getter in Test cricket. He now sits just behind the great Sachin Tendulkar
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Root can have one arm but will beat Teendas record.

My prediction he will beat the record in Bombay, while he is watching and the crowd are mourning. :)
 
KingKhanWC said:
Root can have one arm but will beat Teendas record.

My prediction he will beat the record in Bombay, while he is watching and the crowd are mourning. :)
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In my history of posting in PP, each and every prediction of yours has gone wrong. Let it be in cricket section or politics.

Hopefully your charm will also work here

Btw, the post you quoted aren't my statement. It is from Michael Clarke, ex Australian captain.
 
Rajdeep said:
In my history of posting in PP, each and every prediction of yours has gone wrong. Let it be in cricket section or politics.

Hopefully your charm will also work here

Btw, the post you quoted aren't my statement. It is from Michael Clarke, ex Australian captain.
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You;re confused, I didnt predict India to play a semi final in the elderly cup. :)

Last test I predicted Joe to score a ton and move up to 2nd.

Root will beat the record , even you have to accept this or have a meeting with Devadwal first.
 
KingKhanWC said:
You;re confused, I didnt predict India to play a semi final in the elderly cup. :)

Last test I predicted Joe to score a ton and move up to 2nd.

Root will beat the record , even you have to accept this or have a meeting with Devadwal first.
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Thats fine. Just like Kohli beat his another record of most ODI 100s.

However, it is taking multiple players from modern era to break the record SRT set alone in both the format. So no one can come close to his aura or level.

:don
 
I hope to see all Indian records being broken. Otherwise, Indian fans become very haughty, stupid, and obnoxious. :inti

Go, Root.
 
He is only 34. He can easily play till 38 or 39. Five years is a lot of time to score 2000 runs.

I say Root will score around 16-17k runs before he retires. England also plays lots of Tests. He will have plenty of opportunities to beat Sachin's record.
 
Champ_Pal said:
He is only 34. He can easily play till 38 or 39. Five years is a lot of time to score 2000 runs.

I say Root will score around 16-17k runs before he retires. England also plays lots of Tests. He will have plenty of opportunities to beat Sachin's record.
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yup. Easily. No one else is beating that given that nobody will play that many tests.
 
sweep_shot said:
I hope to see all Indian records being broken. Otherwise, Indian fans become very haughty, stupid, and obnoxious. :inti

Go, Root.
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Why will Indians be heart broken. Sure they will want Sachin to hold the record. But greatness cannot be stopped. Root is a great Test player. But an average ODI and mediocre T20 player. No one fears Root in shorter formats.

Overall, Root is a modern day great. The best Test batsman in the last 2 decades. His stats prove it. He already played 157 Tests and 286 innings. Sachin played 200 Tests and 329 innings.
Basically Root needs 2000 runs in 43 innings. At an average close to 50, he can easily do that provided he does not go into a slump.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Why will Indians be heart broken. Sure they will want Sachin to hold the record. But greatness cannot be stopped. Root is a great Test player. But an average ODI and mediocre T20 player. No one fears Root in shorter formats.

Overall, Root is a modern day great. The best Test batsman in the last 2 decades. His stats prove it. He already played 157 Tests and 286 innings. Sachin played 200 Tests and 329 innings.
Basically Root needs 2000 runs in 43 innings. At an average close to 50, he can easily do that provided he does not go into a slump.
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I don't pray for records of other countries getting broken. For instance, Bangladesh holds the record for consecutive test losses. 21. Second best 11 by Zimbabwe. I don't want anyone to break that record :)
 
Champ_Pal said:
Root will be the highest scorer and no one will touch that record. Test cricket will be history in a few years anyways.
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what most people dont realize is that Tendulkar made all those runs while playing a small matter of 450+ ODIs AND scoring a truck load of runs in that format as well. Lets not even talk about 100s. Heck there is no way Root is scoring another 15 test hundreds let alone 100 International centuries lol.

In other words this thread is evidence of the scars inflicted by Tendulkar on Pakistani fanse over the years. Chalk this down to impotent rage as there is ABSOLUTELY NO chance that any Pakistani batsman would even remotely come close to Tendulkars records or stature. So the best choice they have is to piggy back on Ozzie or Pommie Cricketers to heal the deep scars.

Heck I would say that it would require a collectiver effort from atleast 3 current Pakistani cricketers to match Tendulkars International records .

Now thats called true ownage. :cigar


@Hitman
 
BouncerGuy said:
Root needs another 20-30 games to beat it... Can he play that many?
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He literally plays 16 more games this wtc?

5 more in ashes, 2 vs Bangladesh, 3 vs Pakistan, 3 vs NZ, 3 vs SA? And very likely 17 as I back england to get to wtc 2027 final.

Also I dont think he needs 30 games to beat tenda. He already scored 430+ runs in tour and has one more innings left.

He needs a good ashes to get to 14K or close to it. The other tours shouldn't be hard either
 
Everyone and their dog knows that Root is not comparable to Sachin.
Most ex cricketers don’t even put him above Ponting let alone Sachin.

Its only the Pakistanis here who have no other thing to celebrate as everything in their country is going south, they are the only ones who have somehow convinced themselves of this idiotic comparison.

Its like a drowning man clutching at straws.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Everyone and their dog knows that Root is not comparable to Sachin.
Most ex cricketers don’t even put him above Ponting let alone Sachin.

Its only the Pakistanis here who have no other thing to celebrate as everything in their country is going south, they are the only ones who have somehow convinced themselves of this idiotic comparison.

Its like a drowning man clutching at straws.
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They did this for Ponting, Kallis, Sangakkara, Cook in that order with Amla,Bobby being the most qhwaishi contender for obvious reasons. :ROFLMAO:
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Eagerly waiting for real left arm legend Starc to overtake fake left arm legend. Just 13 more wickets to go past.
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Yeah wonder why Pakistanis dont want to talk about Starc surpassing Wasim Akram's wicket tally. I see no thread or discussion around it. They seem to be more worried about Indian Sachin and Englishman Root.
 
No one will cate if starc surpasses wasim akram's tally.

Dude has won 4 trophies for Australia, had the greatest odi wc performance in history. No bowler could ever replicate such a feat,

Is the greatest pink ball bowler in history and made Australia damn near unbeatable.

If Starc is considered > Wasim Akram i will not complain. Only nostalgia and Indians are biased and unruly beyond belief.

Hypocrites
 
mominsaigol said:
No one will cate if starc surpasses wasim akram's tally.

Dude has won 4 trophies for Australia, had the greatest odi wc performance in history. No bowler could ever replicate such a feat,

Is the greatest pink ball bowler in history and made Australia damn near unbeatable.

If Starc is considered > Wasim Akram i will not complain. Only nostalgia and Indians are biased and unruly beyond belief.

Hypocrites
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Question is why do they bring in Starc-Wasim in this thread? This thread is about Root and Tendulkar. :inti

They are sore losers.
 
Last time I will talk about akram and starc.

Wasim Akram in Odi is unmatched and their is a massive gulf between starc and Akram in odi.

In 2015 I thought starc would surpass Akram but that purple patch phase ended.

In test they are far more comparable then people think and Bumrah is a clown who doesnt deserve to be mentioned in this sentence.

I believe Akram is the better test bowler but Starc is more impactful and a much better match winner.

Starc has a way of taking very crucial wickets at key stages of the game while Akram despite being good did sometimes showcase inconsistency.

They are extremely comparable in test cricket.

In fact akram and Starc is a better debate then Bumrah and Starc lol.

Thank you england for exposing this PR clown. Bumrah vs Boland needs a thread, not starc vs Bumrah 🤣🤣
 
uppercut said:
what most people dont realize is that Tendulkar made all those runs while playing a small matter of 450+ ODIs AND scoring a truck load of runs in that format as well. Lets not even talk about 100s. Heck there is no way Root is scoring another 15 test hundreds let alone 100 International centuries lol.

In other words this thread is evidence of the scars inflicted by Tendulkar on Pakistani fanse over the years. Chalk this down to impotent rage as there is ABSOLUTELY NO chance that any Pakistani batsman would even remotely come close to Tendulkars records or stature. So the best choice they have is to piggy back on Ozzie or Pommie Cricketers to heal the deep scars.

Heck I would say that it would require a collectiver effort from atleast 3 current Pakistani cricketers to match Tendulkars International records .

Now thats called true ownage. :cigar


@Hitman
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Of course it is. That’s why it has been such a painful journey for a Pakistani fan in last 15 years. They have adopted many heroes only to get betrayed by them. :ab :inti
 
Ab Fan said:
Of course it is. That’s why it has been such a painful journey for a Pakistani fan in last 15 years. They have adopted many heroes only to get betrayed by them. :ab :inti
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Nothing bothers them more than a Imran, Waz, Waqar, Kadir etc speaking highly about Tendulkar despite the many traumatic outcomes ... starting from a 16 yr old to a 39yr old.
 
The pain of Indians is understandable.

For years, they thought if anyone was going to overtake their batting god, it will be Kohli, as if India has a monopoly over batting records.

But Kohli’s Test career went down quicker than Indian jets do whenever they take on PAF while at the same time, Root, who was not even in the picture in 2019-20, has produced one of the ATG batting peaks.

Not only will he break Sachin’s record, he will breeze past him and end up with a sizable lead as well. He will not just pip him; he will smash his record.

To make matters worse, no team has helped Root along the way more than India. Root has scored more runs vs India home and away than he has vs any opposition, and if Indian bowlers including the self-appointed GOAT Bumrah were good enough to contain him, he wouldn’t be in contention to break Sachin’s record.

On the contrary, if Root had the luxury of only facing Indian bowlers including the self-appointed GOAT Bumrah, he would have overtaken him already. India should thank Australia for stopping him in his tracks otherwise he would already be ahead of Sachin now.

This narrative that even if breaks Sachin’s record he will not be comparable to him is just a sad coping mechanism. It is what they will tell themselves to sleep at night and deal with this tragedy of Root overtaking Sachin.

This, along with opinions of XYZ players who believe Tendulkar is better than Root etc. mean absolutely nothing because these are just opinions. However, Root finishing above Sachin as the leading run scorer in Test cricket will not be an opinion, it will be a fact.

Just like it is a fact that India has to live with the humiliation of being at the receiving end of the biggest a** whooping (by runs) in history of any ICC tournament final when they got nuked by Pakistan in 2017.

As far as Pakistan being obsessed with Tendulkar is concerned, Indian fans need to understand that Pakistani fans have no reason to be in awe of Tendulkar the Test batsman considering the fact that he was bang average against Pakistan.

Pakistan reduced him to a substandard 40-42 averaging batsman. The god of Test batting was reduced to an Asad Shafiq level batsman vs Pakistan. If other teams could tame him the way Pakistan did, Tendulkar would be lost in history now.

As a result, we Pakistani fans have no reason to be in awe of Tendulkar or view him as someone who was in a different class to the likes of Root because he clearly wasn’t.

The only difference between Tendulkar and any other 50+ averaging batsman is just number of Tests played. Tendulkar holds no batting records and has no achievements that aren’t tied to number of matches played.

As far as ODIs is concerned, Root is an extremely underrated ODI batsman and he is also very unlucky because he has played in an era where England want to load their ODI team with power-hitters and basically view the format as an extended version of T20 cricket.

Root has 7,000+ runs at an average of 49 at SR of 87 with 18 centuries and 42 half-centuries after 180 ODIs. That is a fabulous record. He is a world class ODI batsman as well.

If he played in the 90s and 2000s, he would have played 300+ ODIs, scored 12,000+ runs with 25+ centuries at a 45+ average. Basically, he would be at the same level as Tendulkar, Ponting etc. in the ODI format as well. He is just playing for the wrong ODI team in the wrong era.

Therefore, this argument that he is no match to Sachin in ODIs is disingenuous at best.
 
uppercut said:
Nothing bothers them more than a Imran, Waz, Waqar, Kadir etc speaking highly about Tendulkar despite the many traumatic outcomes ... starting from a 16 yr old to a 39yr old.
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Life is tough when you have to lead a life like a Pakistani fan who is currently in his 20s or early 30s. By the time their brain started functioning properly, all the legends like Wasim, Waqar and to an extent Shoaib had retired or become a shadow of a bowler they used to be before.

They had to deal with trauma of Sachin Tendulkar dominating the runs and centuries tally in both formats of the game and then when T20Is came, it was another Indian, Virat Kohli who dominated the T20s and ODIs chart alongwith being the greatest match winner and chaser in white ball cricket.

In contrast, they had nothing to show up as none of their pacers even went past 200 wickets. To add more salt to fire, it was India who ended up producing multiple 200+ wickets pacer , one of them averaging 19 and that after playing most of his games vs top teams away from home. I truly wish they were by birth fans of other countries rather than being forced to adopt heroes just to hide their trauma. :kp :ab :inti
 
Root is actually the bowling version of Tendulkar, his average is inferior to most of the ATG batsman and is only in conversation because of his longevity.

Sachin on the other hand averages 56 after 150 tests despite playing against better bowlers and on non Bazball pitches.

I have never seen Indian fans worshipping other country players like this, maybe it's because we have the ability to churn out our own greats, countries like Pakistan need it because they are bankrupt in talent in every field that matters.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, we are severely traumatized by someone who averaged 42 vs our bowlers in Test cricket. 🐒
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Wasim Akram averages 29 vs India in test cricket which is quite comparable to Sachins 42 in test cricket.

Akram has never won a test series in India, Sachin has won one in Pakistan. So overall his performance vs Pak is better than Akram performance vs India, which means it's actually damn good .

Root in Aus has been twice the failure Wasim was in India or Sachin was in Pakistan.

An average of 42.4 is good, Roots average of 32 is below average, there is no comparison. That guy hasn't even drawn one series in Aus let alone win one
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I have never seen Indian fans worshipping other country players like this, maybe it's because we have the ability to churn out our own greats, countries like Pakistan need it because they are bankrupt in talent in every field that matters.
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Thats a great point !!! And I wholeheartedly concur. 👏
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Root is actually the bowling version of Tendulkar, his average is inferior to most of the ATG batsman and is only in conversation because of his longevity.

Sachin on the other hand averages 56 after 150 tests despite playing against better bowlers and on non Bazball pitches.

I have never seen Indian fans worshipping other country players like this, maybe it's because we have the ability to churn out our own greats, countries like Pakistan need it because they are bankrupt in talent in every field that matters.
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You can worship players for the right reasons. For example I always loved Alan Donald's bowling. Thoroughly enjoy him. Adam Gilchrist is another guy i always loved a lot. But i don't root for someone because he has a chance to break the record of Pakistan lol I am really not a fan of these individual records for one thing. I value Pant's 89 and 97 in 2021 , Sehwag's 83 in chase of 383 in 4th innings more than many centuries scored by Kohli.
 
Im loving these rubbish semantics.

None of these arguments which can be debated, debunked and countered will change the fact that root will finish at the top of the run scorer list.

That's one fact that'll never change and never be disputed no matter how much these brownie boys cry
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Wasim Akram averages 29 vs India in test cricket which is quite comparable to Sachins 42 in test cricket.

Akram has never won a test series in India, Sachin has won one in Pakistan. So overall his performance vs Pak is better than Akram performance vs India, which means it's actually damn good .

Root in Aus has been twice the failure Wasim was in India or Sachin was in Pakistan.

An average of 42.4 is good, Roots average of 32 is below average, there is no comparison. That guy hasn't even drawn one series in Aus let alone win one
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Pakistan conditions especially until 2010s were almost identical to Indian conditions. An average 42 vs your arch rivals in home-like conditions is a failure.

As far the 2004 series win is concerned, Tendulkar had no contribution. Sehwag, Dravid, Kumble, Pathan and Balaji won the series for India.

Root averaging 32 in very unlike conditions to home is a hole in his career but it is about the same size as the one Tendulkar has in his career vs Pakistan.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan conditions especially until 2010s were almost identical to Indian conditions. An average 42 vs your arch rivals in home-like conditions is a failure.

As far the 2004 series win is concerned, Tendulkar had no contribution. Sehwag, Dravid, Kumble, Pathan and Balaji won the series for India.

Root averaging 32 in very unlike conditions to home is a hole in his career but it is about the same size as the one Tendulkar has in his career vs Pakistan.
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He made 194 in the first match we won,lol.
Clutching at straws now.

Without that 194 we wouldn’t have won that match.

Averaging 32 vs 42 is a big gap, there is absolutely no comparison.

In Australian conditions, Sachin averaged 50+, so unfamiliar conditions is an excuse.

Nah, its a much bigger hole.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He made 194 in the first match we won,lol.
Clutching at straws now.

Without that 194 we wouldn’t have won that match.

Averaging 32 vs 42 is a big gap, there is absolutely no comparison.

In Australian conditions, Sachin averaged 50+, so unfamiliar conditions is an excuse.

Nah, its a much bigger hole.
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Sehwag averages 18 in bangladesh lol You should rate performances only against top teams
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He made 194 in the first match we won,lol.
Clutching at straws now.

Without that 194 we wouldn’t have won that match.

Averaging 32 vs 42 is a big gap, there is absolutely no comparison.

In Australian conditions, Sachin averaged 50+, so unfamiliar conditions is an excuse.

Nah, its a much bigger hole.
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That 194 was a useless stat-padding effort where the damage was already done by others. It was a such pointless knock that Dravid/Ganguly declared him on 194*.

He was rubbish in the Lahore and Rawalpindi Tests.
 
Mamoon said:
That 194 was a useless stat-padding effort where the damage was already done by others. It was a such pointless knock that Dravid/Ganguly declared him on 194*.

He was rubbish in the Lahore and Rawalpindi Tests.
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The only thing rubbish here is your analysis.

India made 675, if Sachin didn’t make his 190 we would have been knocked out for 450-500 and chased around 200 runs in 4th innings with limited time.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
The only thing rubbish here is your analysis.

India made 675, if Sachin didn’t make his 190 we would have been knocked out for 450-500 and chased around 200 runs in 4th innings with limited time.
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Pakistan lost that Test because Sehwag scored a triple century at a SR of 80+. This allowed India to post a huge total in very quick time, allowing the bowlers enough time to take 20 wickets.

Thanks to Sehwag, Pakistan were on the ropes before Tendulkar had even crossed 50. His tuk tuk stat-padding was doing nothing for India and that is why he was stopped in his tracks by Dravid/Ganguly which was a hugely embarrassing moment for Tendulkar, and his confused, constipated look as made the walk of shame back to the pavilion is a sight that I will never forget.

What made it even more embarrassing was that Yuvraj was batting at a SR of 90 on the other end and clearly playing for the team while Tendulkar was only interested in getting to his 200 which was rightfully denied.

Besides, you cannot take out his 194 from the team total and assume that if he didn’t play, India would have scored 450-500, or 481 to be precise.

It doesn’t work that way, because the sequence of events change. For example, if Tendulkar got out on a duck, maybe Laxman wouldn’t have been run-out for 29 and scored a hundred.

Maybe, Yuvraj would have had enough time to score a century himself. It is not a certainty that India would have only scored 450-500 without him.

However, it is dead certain that India didn’t need him on that tour, as he scored a grand total of 1 run in the Rawalpindi Test and India still scored 600 and won by an innings.

There is no need of flashing that series victory as a triumph for Tendulkar. He wasn’t even in the top 5 most influential Indian players in that series. India would have won even if he didn’t play that series.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Why will Indians be heart broken. Sure they will want Sachin to hold the record. But greatness cannot be stopped. Root is a great Test player. But an average ODI and mediocre T20 player. No one fears Root in shorter formats.

Overall, Root is a modern day great. The best Test batsman in the last 2 decades. His stats prove it. He already played 157 Tests and 286 innings. Sachin played 200 Tests and 329 innings.
Basically Root needs 2000 runs in 43 innings. At an average close to 50, he can easily do that provided he does not go into a slump.
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There is no world in which Root is a greater Test batsman than Smith lol
 
A lot of very good/great players tend to have that final tour of countries where they've previously been mediocre and end up scoring better than earlier. This makes them temporarily make those who have no clue about cricket, random cricket watchers and sentimentalists wax and try to call them ATGs or GOATs. But within a couple of years, history has a way of placing them where they deserve to be. Think Sangakkara and Kallis from recent memory. Oh and Amla. Where is Amla lol in the list of ATGs haha.

Root has a very legitimate claim to be the best English batsman ever but he's got serious competition from KP and Cook for that too.
 
pillionrider said:
Root has a very legitimate claim to be the best English batsman ever but he's got serious competition from KP and Cook for that too.
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He's done enough to eclipse KP and Cook. Although he has to make it count in Australia this time. Ashes will be fun to watch.
 
pillionrider said:
There is no world in which Root is a greater Test batsman than Smith lol
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Smith was great a few years ago. He has regressed imo. He is also 36 with only 10k runs. Aussies tend to retire early too.

2015-2020 smith was a beast. His peak was jaw dropping. Now he is just a good batsman. Not great. Smith might score 12k runs at best.
 
Most Indian fans here like Suella Braverman because of how much of a coconut she is. But the tables turn when it comes to the Root v Tendulkar debate.
 
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