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“Mohammad Rizwan is better than me": Sarfaraz Ahmed

emranabbas said:
@PakEngFan Sarfraz Ahmed led us to victory in the Champions Trophy and the Under-19 World Cup. What titles have we secured under Babar's leadership, particularly with Rizwan playing a prominent role, considering they've both participated in over six tournaments?

no need to come up with the comment "sri lanka dropped dollies"
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Pat Cummings lead his team to WC and test championship what did kholi win for India?
 
emranabbas said:
we wouldn't have reached the semi finals if Netherlands didn't beat south Africa that's how poor Pakistan was under the captaincy of zimbabar and rizwan, we even lost to Zimbabwe
heck we wouldn't have even won world cup 1992 if rain didn't save pakistan

so need to bring in if's and buts
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Who said luck is not required at all?
 
PakEngFan said:
So average of 40 odd is a failure? I thought you was making sense for once. Something never changes.
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When I compared Babar v Iyer in the 2023 World Cup….it was you who said “a player can have a bad tournament”.

An average of 40 in 2023, for a guy who averages 60 overall and is also the number 1 ODI batsman in indeed a failure.

This isn’t 2003 where the world class players (Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting) were averaging 40. This is 20 years later, and average of 40 in this era is as good as as average of 25 (Mohammad Hafeez territory) in that era.
 
Rana said:
Acha jee. Misbah was ‘right’ to drop Sarfaraz because of ‘deteriorating performances’ as you say…

So then what was his justification of bringing back Umar Akmal and Ahmad Shahzad out of the blue to play that T20i series against Sri Lanka? What exactly was he trying to do there? Players who didn’t make Mickey/Sarfaraz’s number 1 ranked side…what exactly did Misbah want to achieve if he was doing ‘the right thing’?

Secondly, what exactly was the ‘honest and on merit’ Misbah looking to achieve by bringing in the over the hill Mohammad Irfan for the T20i series against Australia down under? If the guy was making decisions based on fairness and honesty, how do you the fans of Misbah ul Haq justify this decision of bringing back a guy from a retirement home to play a T20i series against one of the best sides in the world in their own back den?

Thirdly, what exactly was the honest and on merit Misbah thinking when he opened a T20i innings with Imam ul Haq in Australia? Like, what in the blue hell was that all about? Based on what cricketing logic and honesty was this decision made?????
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Why are we talking about other players or decisions? That’s a whole other argument. I agree I think shehzad, Umar and irfan should not have been brought back. I don’t think Misbah was unfairly sacked either.

The argument is to whether there was no reason for Sarfraz to be dropped. Which as I said there are numerous. Is Sarfraz not at fault for losing fitness and form in both wicket keeping and batting especially compared to his first half of his career?
 
Rana said:
When I compared Babar v Iyer in the 2023 World Cup….it was you who said “a player can have a bad tournament”.

An average of 40 in 2023, for a guy who averages 60 overall and is also the number 1 ODI batsman in indeed a failure.

This isn’t 2003 where the world class players (Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting) were averaging 40. This is 20 years later, and average of 40 in this era is as good as as average of 25 (Mohammad Hafeez territory) in that era.
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You know its sad when jadeja has the same avg as babar the worlds best batsmen in the world cup.
 
ads101 said:
Why are we talking about other players or decisions? That’s a whole other argument. I agree I think shehzad, Umar and irfan should not have been brought back. I don’t think Misbah was unfairly sacked either.

The argument is to whether there was no reason for Sarfraz to be dropped. Which as I said there are numerous. Is Sarfraz not at fault for losing fitness and form in both wicket keeping and batting especially compared to his first half of his career?
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Tbf you claimed misbah rightfully dropped him and he responded to said inquiry, so do you agree that misbah isn't moral and doesn't drop or bring players back on any actual merit? It's all dosti yaari for him?
 
mominsaigol said:
Tbf you claimed misbah rightfully dropped him and he responded to said inquiry, so do you agree that misbah isn't moral and doesn't drop or bring players back on any actual merit? It's all dosti yaari for him?
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This is the crux of the argument.

If Misbah was supposedly honest in Sarfaraz’s case, what about all the clear dishonesty he committed under the authority entrusted upon him? Is the guy a credible authoritarian?
 
ads101 said:
Why are we talking about other players or decisions? That’s a whole other argument. I agree I think shehzad, Umar and irfan should not have been brought back. I don’t think Misbah was unfairly sacked either.

The argument is to whether there was no reason for Sarfraz to be dropped. Which as I said there are numerous. Is Sarfraz not at fault for losing fitness and form in both wicket keeping and batting especially compared to his first half of his career?
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I think you have your information wrong, Sarfraz was averaging 40 in 2019 out of 18 games he had played in that year
18 games he played were in south africa, england and worldcup in england. the reason he was dropped was because he failed to reach the semis in WC19 not because of poor performance as a player.

now may question is the person who also failed in worldcup 2023, lost to Afghanistan and lost to the worst ever england team and also didn't reach the semi finals how is he still in the team??? is that fair?

not only failed in world cup 2023 but also failed in every tournament since 2019, why is he still in the team?
 
emranabbas said:
I think you have your information wrong, Sarfraz was averaging 40 in 2019 out of 18 games he had played in that year
18 games he played were in south africa, england and worldcup in england. the reason he was dropped was because he failed to reach the semis in WC19 not because of poor performance as a player.

now may question is the person who also failed in worldcup 2023, lost to Afghanistan and lost to the worst ever england team and also didn't reach the semi finals how is he still in the team??? is that fair?

not only failed in world cup 2023 but also failed in every tournament since 2019, why is he still in the team?
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You need to post more often bro, Goated posts fr.
 
topspin said:
I think you’re well aware that is nothing more than fiction. A made up fantasy that I would expect a Rizwan fan boy like yourself to come up with.

Rizwan was dropped for string of poor performances in red ball cricket.

Lol gave Sarfraz another chance.
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There's an interview from Rizwan where he said this and even name dropped Saqlain as Babar as witnesses to the conversation. I'm sure you can Google it or find it on YouTube.

Secondly you can tell by his actions from that series that he was happy when Sarfraz performed. If he was as toxic as some posters make him out to be then he would have had an issue with Sarfraz replacing him but we haven't heard any such thing.

Thirdly, you guys make it seem like Babar does favours to Rizwan, if that's the case why was Rizwan dropped when he was still performing. Wouldn't the captain back his boy?

Rizwan was supportive of Sarfraz's test comeback and that is a fact
 
Rana said:
When I compared Babar v Iyer in the 2023 World Cup….it was you who said “a player can have a bad tournament”.

An average of 40 in 2023, for a guy who averages 60 overall and is also the number 1 ODI batsman in indeed a failure.

This isn’t 2003 where the world class players (Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting) were averaging 40. This is 20 years later, and average of 40 in this era is as good as as average of 25 (Mohammad Hafeez territory) in that era.
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So Jason Roy averages less than 40 he's must be lower than hafeez. I can play the same game too.
 
emranabbas said:
what has kohli got to do with this? as usual trying to change the topic because you have no answer
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What has sarfraz to got with this when this thread is about him saying rizwan is better than him. Can you acknowledge that first. As I said I can play the same game.
 
PakEngFan said:
What has sarfraz to got with this when this thread is about him saying rizwan is better than him. Can you acknowledge that first. As I said I can play the same game.
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I don't get what you mean by this?

What does sarfraz have to do with a thread talking about sarfraz and rizwan? Huh
 
PakEngFan said:
Is he talking about him winning CT and a rubbish tournament like u19?
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Refer back to how the conversation started.

My dude you need to learn that each and every comment in this discussion predates and is built of the last, their not mutually exclusive
 
mominsaigol said:
Refer back to how the conversation started.

My dude you need to learn that each and every comment in this discussion predates and is built of the last, their not mutually exclusive
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Then you should talk to your mate and stop running away when I bring something and starts avoiding answering the question. All I asked Cummings has won a world cup and test championship and what has kholi won as a captain? Since he didn't have an answer he's said what has that got to do with this.

As I have said some Pakistani bend over backwards for kholi but don't have the same energy for their own.
 
PakEngFan said:
Then you should talk to your mate and stop running away when I bring something and starts avoiding answering the question. All I asked Cummings has won a world cup and test championship and what has kholi won as a captain? Since he didn't have an answer he's said what has that got to do with this.

As I have said some Pakistani bend over backwards for kholi but don't have the same energy for their own.
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Because your pat Cummings and kohli conversation isn't relevant to this thread, sarfraz and rizwan are.

You asked a completly random question in the middle, nor did you yourself answer the fact that babar failed 4 tournaments in a row lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
Because your pat Cummings and kohli conversation isn't relevant to this thread, sarfraz and rizwan are.

You asked a completly random question in the middle, nor did you yourself answer the fact that babar failed 4 tournaments in a row lol.
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In that case the only thing relevant to this thread is sarfraz comments on rizwan being better than him. He didn't say my achievement are better than rizwan did he?
 
emranabbas said:
I think you have your information wrong, Sarfraz was averaging 40 in 2019 out of 18 games he had played in that year
18 games he played were in south africa, england and worldcup in england. the reason he was dropped was because he failed to reach the semis in WC19 not because of poor performance as a player.

now may question is the person who also failed in worldcup 2023, lost to Afghanistan and lost to the worst ever england team and also didn't reach the semi finals how is he still in the team??? is that fair?

not only failed in world cup 2023 but also failed in every tournament since 2019, why is he still in the team?
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Sarfraz as captain average of 28 across all formats. Sarfraz not as captain average of 37. Average of Rizwan across all formats 43.

Sarfraz was averaging around 45 before the start of 2016 in tests. He failed for four years in a row before getting dropped there.

The drop in fitness and wicketkeeping was visible. He was dropped for poor performance as a player as captain over a number of years. People were already criticising him for being just a specialist captain. I think he was dropped perhaps too quickly, I would have taken away his test spot first before trying to drop him from all formats at once. But he was on the decline in performance and particularly in fitness.

One of the biggest reasons Rizwan was favoured was his better fitness and wicket keeping skills. It wasnt simply due to batting, though Rizwan started outperforming him there too.
 
ads101 said:
Sarfraz as captain average of 28 across all formats. Sarfraz not as captain average of 37. Average of Rizwan across all formats 43.

Sarfraz was averaging around 45 before the start of 2016 in tests. He failed for four years in a row before getting dropped there.

The drop in fitness and wicketkeeping was visible. He was dropped for poor performance as a player as captain over a number of years. People were already criticising him for being just a specialist captain. I think he was dropped perhaps too quickly, I would have taken away his test spot first before trying to drop him from all formats at once. But he was on the decline in performance and particularly in fitness.

One of the biggest reasons Rizwan was favoured was his better fitness and wicket keeping skills. It wasnt simply due to batting, though Rizwan started outperforming him there too.
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Bro I don't know why your bringing up tests when rizwan was dropped for his odi performance and worldcup 2019
 
emranabbas said:
Bro I don't know why your bringing up tests when rizwan was dropped for his odi performance and worldcup 2019
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Only said tests specifically because that was imo his best format early on which he made most of his impact. The all format stats matter more. It is difficult to argue that the Sarfraz with bad fitness that he had was somehow in his prime condition.
 
ads101 said:
Only said tests specifically because that was imo his best format early on which he made most of his impact. The all format stats matter more. It is difficult to argue that the Sarfraz with bad fitness that he had was somehow in his prime condition.
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Can you please stop quoting fitness fitness 24/7.

The whole team got fat under babar's captaincy, let's remove the whole team them
 
PakEngFan said:
I need no one's help so far you and your clan hasn't proved in anything as usual other than your blind hate.
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Bro you speak the truth.

Larry, Curly and Moe and recently Shemp think too highly of their gang eventhough they collectively get owned by individual posters across the forum.
 
mominsaigol said:
Can you please stop quoting fitness fitness 24/7.

The whole team got fat under babar's captaincy, let's remove the whole team them
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He declined in all three fitness, batting form, keeping. Fitness is important as it was a big part of his game, he was famed for rotating strike in his prime and also helps with keeping. And if we’re comparing to Rizwan, who actually tries hard on his fitness. If you aren’t succeeding in any facet as a player, it is natural you will be under pressure for your place.

Might be wrong, but I don’t think any of the team under Babars captaincy is nearly as bad fitness wise as Sarfraz. Unless you include Azam khan. Fitness is more of an individual responsibility and each player who is now unfit should feel responsible and correct the situation.
 
mominsaigol said:
Basically he went on a rant about how I'm a fake or a fraud because I always try to Bury the hatchet but I respond with hostility the next day so I'm fake apologising.

I Basically told him that our first interaction was him threatening me, then when I offered to Bury the hatchet his next response were sarcastic remarks and then an entire beef on the POTW thread. So he's the one breaking said hatchet

After that he apologised but again called me being overly sentimental on what Mamoon said to me and I responded with coming from a guy who's been reminded me for 5 months straight that I called him a rat even though he threatened me first.

That's what the feud was more or less.
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topspin said:
None of this surprises me. He got so triggered about an ex-player's comments about Babar
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mominsaigol said:
Basically the whole war started over a sarfraz vs rizwan comment I made. It escalated from their.
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topspin said:
I believe he lives in a Canada. He needs to stick to sports from his own region.
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Omg this is so hillarious lol. You guys behave like teenage girls gossiping on an online forum with the gf giving updates when bf was away 😂😂

Do you guys need a room
 
daytrader said:
Bro you speak the truth.

Larry, Curly and Moe and recently Shemp think too highly of their gang eventhough they collectively get owned by individual posters across the forum.
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I wonder about their age, most of their posts are childish with no substance and always unrelated to the questions asked.
 
emranabbas said:
Bro I don't know why your bringing up tests when rizwan was dropped for his odi performance and worldcup 2019
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Another lie. This what happens when you hate blindly. The series before world cup 2019 rizwan scores 2 centuries against Australia but yes he was dropped because of performance.
 
PakEngFan said:
I wonder about their age, most of their posts are childish with no substance and always unrelated to the questions asked.
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Seems true. All they do is talk bad about players and posters and when cornered more personal attacks.
 
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daytrader said:
Seems true. All they do is talk bad about players and posters and when cornered more personal attacks.
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When they can't prove anything and tbh they can't anyway with their pathetic agenda then they turn to personal attacks and start playing victim card
 
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PakEngFan said:
When they can't prove anything and tbh they can't anyway with their pathetic agenda then they turn to personal attacks and start playing victim card
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come off it mate? Who personally attacked you?

How can you bury someone that is already buried?
 
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No personal conflicts, please. Stay on topic.

WHatever sarfaraz said is his personal opinion. Whether anybody liked it or not, he said it. And tbh Rizwan is better than Sarfaraz based on the current form so I agree with Sarfaraz.
 
PakEngFan said:
Another lie. This what happens when you hate blindly. The series before world cup 2019 rizwan scores 2 centuries against Australia but yes he was dropped because of performance.
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Yes 2 centuries in dubai vs C/D team but failed vs full strength south africa team in South Africa with the scores of 4 and 10 😃 even abid ali had a century in that game in dubai they game was already won by abid ali

It wasn't even worth sarfaraz's time playing C/D teams had he played would have done the same every one knows how good sarfaraz is on slow pitch vs spin

Thats what rizwan is Good at inflating averages vs c/d teams
 
emranabbas said:
Yes 2 centuries in dubai vs C/D team but failed vs full strength south africa team in South Africa with the scores of 4 and 10 😃 even abid ali had a century in that game in dubai they game was already won by abid ali

It wasn't even worth sarfaraz's time playing C/D teams had he played would have done the same every one knows how good sarfaraz is on slow pitch vs spin

Thats what rizwan is Good at inflating averages vs c/d teams
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Rizwan and Babar always fail against proper teams, excluding a few games ofcourse.
 
mominsaigol said:
We would have never won ct if rizwan was playing the middle order, wdym couple of years.

Rizzu made his debut in 2015, him playing at no 4 over hafeez would be disaster in 2017
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You guys are way way overeating Sarfaraz bcs of that CT win, it has nothing to do with his captaincy..

Ask any neutral, most of them pick Rizwan ahead of both keeping and batting dept..
 
mominsaigol said:
Rizwan currently is obviously superior, no one doubts that, we love sarfi because he unlike Babar and rizwan played for the crest on his chest, no nonsense such as tu hai mera match winner or I want no 4.

If this was the opposite case, Rizwan would never in his life acknowledge that someone like usman khan was 100x better then him in psl.

Sarfraz is the most wholesome cricketer and an absolute blessing that Pakistan ever had his nadir Ali podcast proved it.

It's too bad the misbah/Babar and rizwan clique don't appreciate the gem we had and that more people like him aka cricketers with a wholesome I wanna play for my country personality need to exist.

My issue with rizwan has always been he's selfish and people go through extreme lengths to deny it, This man wants a PhD written paper assessment on why he should bat lower down the order, Like bro play for your country, you should play at any order that the team assigns.
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Sarfraz isn't a saint either. He refused to play 3rd t20i vs England in 2020 before Younis and Misbah convinced him to play. He might be a nice and sincere guy who gives his all but he isn't really a sacred cow either.
 
@shaz619 Meanwhile Sarfraz's cultists will say Sarfraz is just being humble or pressurized to make this statement. Reminds me of that meme. "Tu hai acha tujhe pata nahin hai lekin tu hai" :ROFLMAO:
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Sarfraz isn't a saint either. He refused to play 3rd t20i vs England in 2020 before Younis and Misbah convinced him to play. He might be a nice and sincere guy who gives his all but he isn't really a sacred cow either.
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When did this happen?
 
Smbhayi said:
You guys are way way overeating Sarfaraz bcs of that CT win, it has nothing to do with his captaincy..

Ask any neutral, most of them pick Rizwan ahead of both keeping and batting dept..
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So tell me why can't babar the worlds no 1 batsmen win anything for his country? He can't even win psl or asia cups
 
emranabbas said:
Yes 2 centuries in dubai vs C/D team but failed vs full strength south africa team in South Africa with the scores of 4 and 10 😃 even abid ali had a century in that game in dubai they game was already won by abid ali

It wasn't even worth sarfaraz's time playing C/D teams had he played would have done the same every one knows how good sarfaraz is on slow pitch vs spin

Thats what rizwan is Good at inflating averages vs c/d teams
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Pakistan didn't win any games. Mental beast Imad captained 2 games and lost both against a d team. Rizwan was r given a chance by sarfraz as he knew he will be history as soon as he allowed it.

As soon as rizwan was allowed to play sarfraz became a water boy.
 
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emranabbas said:
Yes 2 centuries in dubai vs C/D team but failed vs full strength south africa team in South Africa with the scores of 4 and 10 😃 even abid ali had a century in that game in dubai they game was already won by abid ali

It wasn't even worth sarfaraz's time playing C/D teams had he played would have done the same every one knows how good sarfaraz is on slow pitch vs spin

Thats what rizwan is Good at inflating averages vs c/d teams
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PakEngFan said:
Pakistan didn't win any games. Mental beast Imad captained 2 games and lost both against a d team. Rizwan was r given a chance by sarfraz as he knew he will be history as soon as he allowed it.

As soon as rizwan was allowed to play sarfraz became a water boy.
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Pakistan became Water boys of world cricket since Rizwan has been a Cat A player

We sold our rights for $99k for the New Zealand series.
 
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PakEngFan said:
Lie after a lie. Pakistan didn't win any games. Mental beast Imad captained 2 games and lost both against a d team. Rizwan was r given a chance by sarfraz as he knew he will be history as soon as he allowed it.

As soon as rizwan was allowed to play sarfraz became a water boy.
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Imad should have been captain over babar just saying
 
Rana said:
Pakistan became Water boys of world cricket since Rizwan has been a Cat A player

We sold our rights for $99k for the New Zealand series.
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Yeah with sarfraz we were winning everything. Water boy sarfraz is sitting at home praising how rizwan is better than him.
 
Smbhayi said:
You guys are way way overeating Sarfaraz bcs of that CT win, it has nothing to do with his captaincy..

Ask any neutral, most of them pick Rizwan ahead of both keeping and batting dept..
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Bro to be fair I can't even remember what series we have won or lost since 2019

But I remember we lost worldcup 23 asia cup 23
World t20 22 asiacup 22 and have not won any tournament since ct17

Series wins don't mean anything people forget them after few months unless its a big win like Australia vs australia in Australia
 
Smbhayi said:
You guys are way way overeating Sarfaraz bcs of that CT win, it has nothing to do with his captaincy..

Ask any neutral, most of them pick Rizwan ahead of both keeping and batting dept..
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Ask any sensible Pakistanis they will tell you who's better in every aspect.
 
emranabbas said:
Bro to be fair I can't even remember what series we have won or lost since 2019

But I remember we lost worldcup 23 asia cup 23
World t20 22 asiacup 22 and have not won any tournament since ct17

Series wins don't mean anything people forget them after few months unless its a big win like Australia vs australia in Australia
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Did you believe that CT win due to captaincy skill?
 
Smbhayi said:
Did you believe that CT win due to captaincy skill?
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Doesn't matter if its due to team work or captaincy I don't support any invidual all I know pakistan won ct17

But for sure babar has been given enough chances and has not won us anything for pakistan so about time someone else give a chance

Sarfaraz must have done something right to won us U19 worldcup and ct17

Babar has won us nothing out if 6 tournaments he leaded with rizwan being the main character
 
PakEngFan said:
Pakistan didn't win any games. Mental beast Imad captained 2 games and lost both against a d team. Rizwan was r given a chance by sarfraz as he knew he will be history as soon as he allowed it.

As soon as rizwan was allowed to play sarfraz became a water boy.
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You mean metal beast? According to you he listens to heavy metal like slipknot.
 
Smbhayi said:
Did you believe that CT win due to captaincy skill?
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Yes 100%,

Sarfraz made the decision to have fakhar open over shehzad despite mickey's insistence otherwise.

When azhar was incharge, Fakhar always batted at non4 to no5, people forget that fakhar didn't make his debut during CT, he made his debut earlier and Azhar following the misbah approach, decided to have fakhar in the middle.

Sarfraz also made hafeez bat in the middle order based of his psl performances while hafeez in international was always stubborn 24/7 on opening deapite him never being able to play swing.

He also brought imad wasim as his frontline allrounder and when azhar got injured for one game and sarfraz captained as VC he was the one who made the first decision to have inad wasim open the bowling in the first t20 PP which resulted in a success and imad became a specialist opening the bowling to this date having one of the best economies at that position.

I can go on and on, but in regards to Misbah, Misbah as a captain and coach

- Made umar Amin a debutant his vc.

- Randomly made Imran farhat his opener.

- In 2019 Sri Lanka series decided to bring back umar akmal and Ahmed shehzad out of the blue in the squad despite those 2 having shown nothing of performance since their 2015 and 2018 axe from the team.

- against Australian t20 he decided to bring Mohammad irfan who had been retired for years and years to bowl against a strong aussie team in their home yard and decided that imam up haq shall be his t20 opener.

- Misbah also once decided to play 5 spinners and one pacer in a game.

In regards to babar he

- Claimed shadab and Nawaz were his match winners in wc, Despite them having a dreadful asia cup, he even had nawaz bowl against sa when Pakistan needed one wicket and nawaz was wicketless in that game, he burned his pacers but why not try usama who had 2 wickets in that game?

- He also made saim ayub bat at 4 early on his career so that he and rizwan could open.

- The whole team got overweight under babar's captaincy with those ridiculous cake videos.

- He also claimed saim ayub isn't allowed in the odi team because saim lacks experience but decided Abdullah shafiq a dude with 7 List A games should be his 3rd opener because he has a goated Technique: whatever that means.

- He also kept playing the same winning 11 until that winning 11 got butchered because he doesnt understand that winning 11 against c string sides =/= best 11.

- He also innthe first match against India in asia cup, let India recover despite their early collapse, he could have gotten India packed up for 120 to 140, instead he decided to randomly remove the pacers and play 30 OVERS OF SPIN NONSTOP.

Compare that to sarfraz who always went in for the kill in CT 2017, as soon as oandya started smashing spinners he brought back hasan Ali, whereas babar would have kept his 30 overs of spin until the 40th over to FOLLOW HIS PATTERN FORMULA.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes 100%,

Sarfraz made the decision to have fakhar open over shehzad despite mickey's insistence otherwise.

When azhar was incharge, Fakhar always batted at non4 to no5, people forget that fakhar didn't make his debut during CT, he made his debut earlier and Azhar following the misbah approach, decided to have fakhar in the middle.

Sarfraz also made hafeez bat in the middle order based of his psl performances while hafeez in international was always stubborn 24/7 on opening deapite him never being able to play swing.

He also brought imad wasim as his frontline allrounder and when azhar got injured for one game and sarfraz captained as VC he was the one who made the first decision to have inad wasim open the bowling in the first t20 PP which resulted in a success and imad became a specialist opening the bowling to this date having one of the best economies at that position.

I can go on and on, but in regards to Misbah, Misbah as a captain and coach

- Made umar Amin a debutant his vc.

- Randomly made Imran farhat his opener.

- In 2019 Sri Lanka series decided to bring back umar akmal and Ahmed shehzad out of the blue in the squad despite those 2 having shown nothing of performance since their 2015 and 2018 axe from the team.

- against Australian t20 he decided to bring Mohammad irfan who had been retired for years and years to bowl against a strong aussie team in their home yard and decided that imam up haq shall be his t20 opener.

- Misbah also once decided to play 5 spinners and one pacer in a game.

In regards to babar he

- Claimed shadab and Nawaz were his match winners in wc, Despite them having a dreadful asia cup, he even had nawaz bowl against sa when Pakistan needed one wicket and nawaz was wicketless in that game, he burned his pacers but why not try usama who had 2 wickets in that game?

- He also made saim ayub bat at 4 early on his career so that he and rizwan could open.

- The whole team got overweight under babar's captaincy with those ridiculous cake videos.

- He also claimed saim ayub isn't allowed in the odi team because saim lacks experience but decided Abdullah shafiq a dude with 7 List A games should be his 3rd opener because he has a goated Technique: whatever that means.

- He also kept playing the same winning 11 until that winning 11 got butchered because he doesnt understand that winning 11 against c string sides =/= best 11.

- He also innthe first match against India in asia cup, let India recover despite their early collapse, he could have gotten India packed up for 120 to 140, instead he decided to randomly remove the pacers and play 30 OVERS OF SPIN NONSTOP.

Compare that to sarfraz who always went in for the kill in CT 2017, as soon as oandya started smashing spinners he brought back hasan Ali, whereas babar would have kept his 30 overs of spin until the 40th over to FOLLOW HIS PATTERN FORMULA.
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Fakhar made his odi debut at the CT.
 
emranabbas said:
Doesn't matter if its due to team work or captaincy I don't support any invidual all I know pakistan won ct17

But for sure babar has been given enough chances and has not won us anything for pakistan so about time someone else give a chance

Sarfaraz must have done something right to won us U19 worldcup and ct17

Babar has won us nothing out if 6 tournaments he leaded with rizwan being the main character
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Sarfraz as captain

1) Decided fakhar should open over shehzad even though azhar made fakhar bat at 4-6 when fakhsr made his debut.

2) In his first t20 series was the one who figured out imad shpuld open the bowling which resulted in one of his best eco and wicket taking figures, azhar never did that.

3) in 2016 hafeez was still a no 3 with Bobby being a no 4, Sarfi made the decision to have hafeez as a no 4 and stated his decision was due to hafeez's spin bash ability.

4) He also decided to replace yasir shah for Shadab( at the time sheddy was a good spin bowler) despite misbah and azhar's insistence to have yasir shah be his frontline spinner.

5) He also didn't treat Amir with the same fixing nonsense, he let his ego aside for ct win, and ge frequently rested bowlers. He rested Amir against england because he wanted Amir to be gun in the final, infact he rested and rotated all his pacers in CT to avoid any injuries.

6) He's also ironically the one who figured out along with mickey that babar should be a no 3 due to anchoring with the rest of the team being strikers who attack around him.


In response babar as a captain

- Kept playing the same winning 11, which resulted in almost all of our pacers getting injured and unfit, Naseem got blown away, shaheen got injured and was rushed back due to baabr's stubbornness, Rauf became unfit.

- Had the entire team become overweight and unfit with cake videos to the point that none of our pacers had the stamina to bowl 10 overs and became run machines.

- Decided LAST MINUTE that Abdullah shafiq should be his frontline opener in wc despite him playing only 7 List A games yet he refused to take saim ayub as an opener for lack of experience even though saim has more experience then Abdullah.

- Made saim play at no 4 and had a terribly unbalanced t20 middle order due to his insistence that middle order bats should open in t20 and openers should bat in the middle order in t20.

- Made shadab and Nawaz his match winners despite the 2 of them having the worst possible asoa Cup imaginable, he trusted them and refused to take abrar our best test spinner due to having a major ego problem.

- decided nawaz a guy who's wicketless should bowl and take the last wicket against sa even though we required only one wicket, why he didn't give his over to a wicket taking bowler? Idk.

- Decided saud shakeel shpuld be his No 5, infact for the sa game he sent saud at no 6 lol.


Now I can kindly go over misbah as well lol
 
@PakEngFan

Their isn't anything wrong with what I've said. What is wrong with you claiming that it's completely normal for a good player to fail 4 Tournaments in a row, with 3 of those tournaments not even being failures but actually comical in nature.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Azhar was still calling the shots when Sarfraz was T20 captain. And he instructed Sarfraz to play fakhar in middle order.
How do you know this?
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Sorry I meant mickey, Sarfraz wasn't a fam of kamran akmal being in the team and opening, he made it very clear he didn't want kamran akmal to open or be in the team as a fielder irrespective of psl form, he had to give way due to mickey insistence, but he stopped listening to mickey by 2017
 
Sarfaraz was better in his era, and now it is time for Rizwan, so Sarfaraz can't be compared to him. Both played in different situations and under different management.
 
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