“Mohammad Rizwan is better than me": Sarfaraz Ahmed

[mominsaigol]

I don't know how you keep thinking you're winning this argument when all you're doing is arguing for the sake of it. Anyways since you won't believe me here's a quote from Sarfraz:

""Congratulations to Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad for making comebacks. Both are very talented players and have made spots in the team for themselves with performances. It's good for Pakistan that players who have done well in the past have an opporunity again. As a captain, I will try to give them maximum chances. They are players who can win you matches when they stay at the crease. I wish them the best and hope they perform well for Pakistan. Players can be in and out but now they are back. I think they can play well for Pakistan. In my team QG, they played an important part in our victories. I am hopeful that they will perform well for the team"

Both were supported by not just Misbah but Sarfraz as well

Who on earth goes in public and says "No bad selections, bad bad, go away bye bye"?

One thing I have never understood and to this day will never understand is why a forgotten cricketer internationally is viewed as a legend by only 2 people?

No one knows who misbah is internationally, and I'm not even joking, he's the 2nd most forgetten captain to ever play for Pakistan, 2nd only to rashid latif. And yes I'm 100% serious. Atleast in babar's case he'll probs be remembered mainly cause of his inflated stats, People will look at them and will comment on him being ahead of saeed Anwar statically and having more t20 runs etc etc.

Do you wanna know why misbah isn't known by people internationally? It's because as a captain he has nothing to show for it, and as a batsmen he has nothing to show for it either, not once in white ball cricket has he ever scored an international century.

Pakistan doesn't win cups like Australia does, we don't win every season, a good captain who turned it around to follow would be eoin Morgan on how he reshaped 2015 England into 2019 England, not this zero IQ fraud.

If you were a true pakistani fan all you'd care about is results that's it, not contextual talk, no excuses, results are their to see, the results are so bad they dubbed misbah's era as the dark days. Even though rn our days aren't bright either.

And btw I agree sarfraz deserved a sack post 2019 for results, I'm not saying he should be captain, I'm just saying as a captain he's >>>>>>>> Misbah and Babar combined, and its not a difficult argument considering his under 19 record and his ct 2017 win, He in a year of captaincy won a cup something misbah couldn't do in 4 years and Babar can't do in his current 5th year.

You on the other hand keep justifying misbah as a captain, batsmen and a coach and selector lol, same with Bobby as a captain, so how exactly are you a true pakistani fan on supporting a so called forgetten legend? Who has nothing to show for it.

 

[mominsaigol]

best possible lineup and should be used for 5 games.

Best possible lineup would be to keep babar and rizwan out forever.

And have a team of players like usman khan representing the whole unit. Aka grooming fakhar, Saim, Usman, haris and turning them into world class.

Players don't fall from the sky, their groomed into legends like gilchrist was or how rohit was. It takes years to build a team, with the first rule of thumb being to play for the crest on your chest.

That ain't happening with a captain who pushes himself to open once more because opening is the easiest place to hit centuries in t20 against c strings.

 

[BouncerGuy]

This thread is not about Misbah so please no more irrelevant talk.

 

[emranabbas]

What part of the above do you not understand?

 

[Rana]

@Rana

According to reports babar and saim will open with usman khan at no 3.

Might be for one game.

Rizwan and Babar will somehow find their way to open together in West Indies I recon

 

[emranabbas]

But he can't remember poor guy. Sarfaraz bar 1 year or so was a rubbish in Evey aspect.

this discussion isn't for kids who have just started watching cricket

sarfaraz averages
54 in 2016
38 in 2017,
24 in 2018 (bad year)
37 in 2019

rizwans averages
19 in 2016, (bad year)
17 in 2017, (bad year)
49 in 2019,
8 in 2020 (bad year)
22 in 2021 (bad year)
33 in 2022 (bad year)
63 in 2023

seems like rizwan is the rubbish one who can only get a decent average after 3 years that too after playing C/D teams
because Sarfraz only had 1 bad year don't remember him inflating averages vs C/D Teams

@daytrader

The poster above is trying to claim that sarfaraz had one good year those stats posted above was a response to his statement

The post he replied to were also by another poster containing ODI stats

So tell me kid what do you not understand I will take your confusing away


This is what I posted

CT17 is being discussed i'm guessing its odi everyone is talking about

You gave a year by year break down of averages not just for CT17

Nowhere have I said these are ct17 stats, read what I've posted these are year by year averages to prove sarfaraz didn't have just 1 good year

I tried following, it seems you're the one who's confused and asking posters to rephrase stuff in chat gpt and then you went on to post random stats. I just asked for some context for these stats and you said CT17 lol.

So it seems like your confused when those stats were a clear response to the person who claimed sarfaraz only had 1 good year so they are not random stats

I didn't just say CT17 I said CT17 is being discussed so it's obviously odi stats It's not going to be test stats

BTW CT17 is an odi (one day International) format its a 50 over game
Just incase you get confused again

 

[daytrader]

@daytrader

The poster above is trying to claim that sarfaraz had one good year those stats posted above was a response to his statement

The post he replied to were also by another poster containing ODI stats

So tell me kid what do you not understand I will take your confusing away


This is what I posted


Nowhere have I said these are ct17 stats, read what I've posted these are year by year averages to prove sarfaraz didn't have just 1 good year



So it seems like your confused when those stats were a clear response to the person who claimed sarfaraz only had 1 good year so they are not random stats

I didn't just say CT17 I said CT17 is being discussed so it's obviously odi stats It's not going to be test stats

BTW CT17 is an odi (one day International) format its a 50 over game
Just incase you get confused again

the original post you replied to was this:

We didn't lose 2-0 test series in UAE in 2017, 5-0 in NZ 2018, 3-0 test series in SA 2019, 4-0 ODI series to Aus in UAE 2019, 4-0 2019 to England in England and we definitely won the world cup 2019 under the greatest captain of all time who was MOM in every game we won during his captaincy. Pretty amazing numbers for the greatest wicketkeeper batter and captain of all time.

Does it say JUST ODIs anywhere? The poster included tests so pardon my 'confusing' lol. It's not hard to label the format of the stats you're mentioning. All you had to say was 'in ODIs they averaged' in your post to save us all the trouble

 

[emranabbas]

the original post you replied to was this:



Does it say JUST ODIs anywhere? The poster included tests so pardon my 'confusing' lol. It's not hard to label the format of the stats you're mentioning. All you had to say was 'in ODIs they averaged' in your post to save us all the trouble

Maybe you should go further up in the thread and see the discussions I was having with pakengfan and you will know through out of the thread its odi ive been duscissing with him! And he replied to my post continuing from that conversation with the reference to the post you quoting

 

[emranabbas]

@daytrader and what is it you want to discuss what format? Ill have a fresh conversation with you since your so eagar to have a discussion with me about sarfaraz and rizwan

 

[emranabbas]

My posts are not for you so you don't need to worry, the person who the posts are For understands my post very well

 

[daytrader]

@daytrader and what is it you want to discuss what format? Ill have a fresh conversation with you since your so eagar to have a discussion with me about sarfaraz and rizwan

I'm not honestly. I just wanted some context cause as I said the post was confusing. Not often do I see Sarfraz having better numbers than Rizwan.

Although just based on the stats you shared, you gotta admit that Rizwan has a higher ceiling in ODIs with his 63 average in 2023.

 

[daytrader]

My posts are not for you so you don't need to worry, the person who the posts are For understands my post very well

It's an online public forum not some direct messaging platform. Your posts are being read

 

[160KPH]

this discussion isn't for kids who have just started watching cricket

sarfaraz averages
54 in 2016
38 in 2017,
24 in 2018 (bad year)
37 in 2019

rizwans averages
19 in 2016, (bad year)
17 in 2017, (bad year)
49 in 2019,
8 in 2020 (bad year)
22 in 2021 (bad year)
33 in 2022 (bad year)
63 in 2023

seems like rizwan is the rubbish one who can only get a decent average after 3 years that too after playing C/D teams
because Sarfraz only had 1 bad year don't remember him inflating averages vs C/D Teams

First of all, in another thread you were arguing with me that Rizwan’s numbers are boosted due to bilateral series against C/D. And now you’re comparing bilateral series to determine who is better? Why are you not comparing World Cup stats where teams play their best players? Probably because you’re again trying to push an agenda which is clearly false.

In WC’s:
Sarfraz averages 43 @ 85 SR
Rizwan averages 65 @ 95 SR

In Asia Cups:
Sarfraz averages 26 @ 71 SR
Rizwan averages 97 @ 94 SR

Not sure what you are trying to mislead by using yearly averages and by saying Rizwan’s numbers are boosted by C/D sides and Sarfraz’s aren’t when Rizwan is far far far better in tournaments where teams actually play full strength while Sarfraz is not even close to Rizwan in WC’s and Asia Cups.

In ODIs, Sarfraz piled up runs against C/D sides in bilateral series while Rizwan performed much much better tournaments.

In Test, Sarfraz scored runs in the low and slow pitches in UAE and failed in almost all SENA tours while Rizwan has one of the best averages of any Asian WK ever in SENA.

 

[160KPH]

I'm not honestly. I just wanted some context cause as I said the post was confusing. Not often do I see Sarfraz having better numbers than Rizwan.

Although just based on the stats you shared, you gotta admit that Rizwan has a higher ceiling in ODIs with his 63 average in 2023.

Yearly stats are a stupid measure because it also says nothing about how many matches were played that year.

Also, he was completely wrong about saying that Rizwan scored against C/D sides while Sarfraz did not. It’s actually the exact opposite if you look at the tournament stats:

In WC’s:
Sarfraz averages 43 @ 85 SR
Rizwan averages 65 @ 95 SR

In Asia Cups:
Sarfraz averages 26 @ 71 SR
Rizwan averages 97 @ 94 SR

It’s just the usual sort of misleading things that Rizwan haters will do to try to discredit him.

 

[160KPH]

The initial conversation started with @PakEngFan claiming pakistan would have not won the CT17 had sri lanka didnt drop dollies

You can read from post #92 and follow the conversation to understand under what context I posted those stats

Sure but you also keep trying to claim that Rizwan’s numbers are boosted by C/D sides and that Sarfraz did not score against C/D sides when the actual tournament numbers tell a very different story. Rizwan’s performance in tournaments is far far better than Sarfraz, where teams actually play full strength teams.

 

[emranabbas]

@daytrader

The initial conversation started with @PakEngFan claiming pakistan would have not won the CT17 had sri lanka didnt drop dollies

You can read from post #92 and follow the conversation to understand under what context I posted those stats

 

[Rana]

Guess most are blind then.

Indeed. You couldn’t have said it better.

 

[Rana]

Impossible for Asif Ali.

How many bad tournaments is a player allowed to have? Asif had 1, Babar had 4 in a row

 

[BouncerGuy]

This thread is not about Babar I guess. Title suggests otherwise.

 

[mominsaigol]

Might be for one game.

Rizwan and Babar will somehow find their way to open together in West Indies I recon

Rizwan is being rested for one game that'd why.

Sorry I should have clarified.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan is being rested for one game that'd why.

Sorry I should have clarified.

Watch how these two (Babar and Rizwan) slither their way into opening spots

Study Gujarat Titans team set up. It should give you an indication

 

[PakEngFan]

How many bad tournaments is a player allowed to have? Asif had 1, Babar had 4 in a row

Asif Ali is not good enough to be selected let alone perform.

 

[Rana]

Asif Ali is not good enough to be selected let alone perform.

But he should be allowed to have 4 bad tournaments in a row. Let’s be fair.

 

[PakEngFan]

But he should be allowed to have 4 bad tournaments in a row. Let’s be fair.

In one of the failed tournament Babar averaged 40. Tag me when Asif Ali ever averages 40 in any format.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Exactly for the team that good enough as they didn't recall sarfraz back. Imagine how awful sarfraz was?

Teams typically give some chances to the players to prove themselves, which QG granted to Evans. But he failed to make an impact in the 4 games he played, and the tournament was already concluded by then. In no level of cricket, scoring 20 runs in 4 innings would be considered a good enough performance to end the career of another player.

 

[PakEngFan]

Teams typically give some chances to the players to prove themselves, which QG granted to Evans. But he failed to make an impact in the 4 games he played, and the tournament was already concluded by then. In no level of cricket, scoring 20 runs in 4 innings would be considered a good enough performance to end the career of another player.

20 is not good enough but when sarfraz is the other option it is good enough. Not sure what tournament you were watching maybe from previous years when they didn't make the playoffs during so called greatest captain. This year they made the play offs and the tournament wasn't over. But yes make up things to make yourself feel better.

 

[Rana]

Teams typically give some chances to the players to prove themselves, which QG granted to Evans. But he failed to make an impact in the 4 games he played, and the tournament was already concluded by then. In no level of cricket, scoring 20 runs in 4 innings would be considered a good enough performance to end the career of another player.

In @PakEngFan ’s desperate existence as a cricket fan world, 20 runs in 4 innings is enough to end Sarfaraz’s career.

 

[PakEngFan]

In @PakEngFan ’s desperate existence as a cricket fan world, 20 runs in 4 innings is enough to end Sarfaraz’s career.

You can't read can you. As expected I said he ended his Psl for this year. In fairness his Psl should come to an end. His batting in t20s is worse than a no 10.

 

[Rana]

You can't read can you. As expected I said he ended his Psl for this year. In fairness his Psl should come to an end. His batting in t20s is worse than a no 10.

You should try not to be this vengeful/spiteful. You do realise a lot of yours posts made out of spite come back to haunt you.

What if Sarfaraz returns next season as captain of QG or another franchise? Then what?

 

[mominsaigol]

You can't read can you. As expected I said he ended his Psl for this year. In fairness his Psl should come to an end. His batting in t20s is worse than a no 10.

Bro I get where you're coming from, I really do.

I agree with you that sarfraz's career is over and that we now should look forward.

What I don't understand is, why are you pretending to be neutral?

Every comment of yours follows the pattern of

1) Stating you don't like a player.

2) Then stating that they are our only option.

3) Then when people give alternative options you outright refuse em by saying that you don't PERSONALLY RATE THEM, so it invalidates all arguments such as my Usman Khan argument, you don't have any actual counter arguments to him outperforming babar and rizwan other then "I don't rate him, I think he sucks at playing pace, I don't have any proof, it's just my observation."

4) Then when cornered or out of arguments you call everyone a blind hater or take everything way too literally.

Why not just quit all this drama and outright state you want certain players in the team and that you have likes and are clearly biased.

You can't call others blind haters if you yourself are clearly not a neutral supporter and a blind loyalist to 3 individuals in the team( Babar, Rizwan, Chacha)

 

[PakEngFan]

You should try not to be this vengeful/spiteful. You do realise a lot of yours posts made out of spite come back to haunt you.

What if Sarfaraz returns next season as captain of QG or another franchise? Then what?

Once again you can't read. I said this year. He will only be selected because of our pathetic culture of respecting the seniors. Otherwise no one in their right mind would select him after failing to take his team to play offs for years then getting stripped of captaincy right before the tournament and eventually getting kicked out of the team.

 

[Rana]

Once again you can't read. I said this year. He will only be selected because of our pathetic culture of respecting the seniors. Otherwise no one in their right mind would select him after failing to take his team to play offs for years then getting stripped of captaincy right before the tournament and eventually getting kicked out of the team.

What is it man? Anyone who disagrees with you “cannot read”, or is a “blind hater”? Why are you so angry all the time?

 

[PakEngFan]

Bro I get where you're coming from, I really do.

I agree with you that sarfraz's career is over and that we now should look forward.

What I don't understand is, why are you pretending to be neutral?

Every comment of yours follows the pattern of

1) Stating you don't like a player.

2) Then stating that they are our only option.

3) Then when people give alternative options you outright refuse em by saying that you don't PERSONALLY RATE THEM, so it invalidates all arguments such as my Usman Khan argument, you don't have any actual counter arguments to him outperforming babar and rizwan other then "I don't rate him, I think he sucks at playing pace, I don't have any proof, it's just my observation."

4) Then when cornered or out of arguments you call everyone a blind hater or take everything way too literally.

Why not just quit all this drama and outright state you want certain players in the team and that you have likes and are clearly biased.

You can't call others blind haters if you yourself are clearly not a neutral supporter and a blind loyalist to 3 individuals in the team( Babar, Rizwan, Chacha)

If a player is rubbish and has no potential I have no time for such players and sarfraz is one.
Take the Pakistan current team now and give me sensible replacements. I have said a million times Usman deserves his chance based on his performances but I don't rate him because he's limited as a batsmen. Just because I don't rate him that don't mean I hate them

Tell me a better batsmen than Babar in Pakistan?

Better wk then rizwan in Pakistan?
Better lower order batter than iftikhar? Let's not confuse formats I already said iftikhar should never be picked in any other format because we have 3 years to develop someone for odi's.

The only player you have given me is Usman Khan. I watch most of our domestics games and I know when we have a decent prospect. Most of the players in our domestic circuit are beyond rubbish.

Can you answer why can't other players perform why is it all the same players performing?

 

[PakEngFan]

What is it man? Anyone who disagrees with you “cannot read”, or is a “blind hater”? Why are you so angry all the time?

I just stated facts about sarfraz but you think I am angry. Can you tell me on what basis should he be selected based on what I posted in my last post?

 

[mominsaigol]

If a player is rubbish and has no potential I have no time for such players and sarfraz is one.
Take the Pakistan current team now and give me sensible replacements. I have said a million times Usman deserves his chance based on his performances but I don't rate him because he's limited as a batsmen. Just because I don't rate him that don't mean I hate them

Tell me a better batsmen than Babar in Pakistan?

Better wk then rizwan in Pakistan?
Better lower order batter than iftikhar? Let's not confuse formats I already said iftikhar should never be picked in any other format because we have 3 years to develop someone for odi's.

The only player you have given me is Usman Khan. I watch most of our domestics games and I know when we have a decent prospect. Most of the players in our domestic circuit are beyond rubbish.

Can you answer why can't other players perform why is it all the same players performing?

That's isn't a fair comparison because teams take time to build and that can't happen if babar and rizwan hog the spotlight 24/7.

Fakhar when in form is the greatest Pakistani batsmen in the last decade. An inform fakhar >>>>>>>>>>> Babar, but fakhar is inconsistent, so why isn't pcb management looking out for fakhar and making sure that he becomes a world class player by focusing on how he can be more consistent? Instead they shove him at no 4? Even though he usually comes good in pressure situation?

I've already said it a dozen times imad wasim is 100x the player chacha is, you just argue to end.

Usman khan is already > Rizwan, no question, rizwan isn't exactly a high ceiling as @emranabbas already proved.

Fakhar > Babar but management doesn't focus on making fakhar consistent instead focuses on Babar stad padding and then miserably getting exposed in 4 tournaments in a row, and no, an avg of 40 in a tournament where ravindra jadeja averages the same as babar despite playing at no 7 and being the worst batter for India is not an achievement, Labu averaged 42 deapite not even being an odi player.

Players who aren't even proper odi batsmen or in the top order are averaging equal or better then babar with higher strike rates despite babar being the no 1 batsmen in the world, so his is wc 2023 not a failure? And doesn't expose babar as a fraud?

2) Usman Khan > Rizwan, I don't need to state why, Rizwan had plenty of chances and has flopped, it doesn't help that his current form in psl ad well as his recent series is so bad he himself admitted he isn't the same with saim as his opening partner.

3) Imad wasim > Chacha, Imad had a better psl, hos bowling is 100x better then chacha and he's a much better batter then chacha is overall, his t20 batting stats are worse then chacha but his odi stats in both batting, bowling and sr are superior. Chacha is a failure once good bowling cones into play, especially against wrist spin.

^^ Their I gave you 3 players, but you don't have any arguments besides, I don't rate them, or I don't rate babar's miserable asia cup performance, or a good player like babar can have 4 bad tournaments lol.

 

[PakEngFan]

That's isn't a fair comparison because teams take time to build and that can't happen if babar and rizwan hog the spotlight 24/7.

Fakhar when in form is the greatest Pakistani batsmen in the last decade. An inform fakhar >>>>>>>>>>> Babar, but fakhar is inconsistent, so why isn't pcb management looking out for fakhar and making sure that he becomes a world class player by focusing on how he can be more consistent? Instead they shove him at no 4? Even though he usually comes good in pressure situation?

I've already said it a dozen times imad wasim is 100x the player chacha is, you just argue to end.

Usman khan is already > Rizwan, no question, rizwan isn't exactly a high ceiling as @emranabbas already proved.

Fakhar > Babar but management doesn't focus on making fakhar consistent instead focuses on Babar stad padding and then miserably getting exposed in 4 tournaments in a row, and no, an avg of 40 in a tournament where ravindra jadeja averages the same as babar despite playing at no 7 and being the worst batter for India is not an achievement, Labu averaged 42 deapite not even being an odi player.

Players who aren't even proper odi batsmen or in the top order are averaging equal or better then babar with higher strike rates despite babar being the no 1 batsmen in the world, so his is wc 2023 not a failure? And doesn't expose babar as a fraud?

2) Usman Khan > Rizwan, I don't need to state why, Rizwan had plenty of chances and has flopped, it doesn't help that his current form in psl ad well as his recent series is so bad he himself admitted he isn't the same with saim as his opening partner.

3) Imad wasim > Chacha, Imad had a better psl, hos bowling is 100x better then chacha and he's a much better batter then chacha is overall, his t20 batting stats are worse then chacha but his odi stats in both batting, bowling and sr are superior. Chacha is a failure once good bowling cones into play, especially against wrist spin.

^^ Their I gave you 3 players, but you don't have any arguments besides, I don't rate them, or I don't rate babar's miserable asia cup performance, or a good player like babar can have 4 bad tournaments lol.

Another useless essay which doesn't answer anything.

It's not a fair comparison because I don't have answer why other than my dislikes for the players. Why can you say that?

Usman Khan is better than rizwan only according you and a couple of others. It's laughable that a guy who hasn't even played international cricket is already better than our greatest wk.

Fakhar zaman is dropped to no4 because of he useless as an opener.

Imad wasim you said was better than iftikhar is Psl in terms of batting when iftikhar has more runs higher average Sr more sixes you name. Than you say he's 100 times the player and than you say iftikhar has better stats make up your mind.

On his day fakhar is as good as anyone in odis he hasn't done much in t20 bar a few innings.

Can you tell me about players who have similar odi averages to Babar. Rubbish Babar according to you who flopped in 4 tournaments has a WC average of 50 odd which is better than anyone in our history I believe. Fakhar opens in odis why did he fail the whole cw19 since according to your logic they have to perform all the time.

 

[mominsaigol]

@daytrader

Please continue laughing at my post and increasing my reaction score, we over 3000 baby .

 

[daytrader]

@daytrader

Please continue laughing at my post and increasing my reaction score, we over 3000 baby .

I laugh at good jokes. You're very creative as I said - even making up imaginary criteria of success for yourself and players you support

 

[mominsaigol]

Another useless essay which doesn't answer anything.

It's not a fair comparison because I don't have answer why other than my dislikes for the players. Why can you say that?

Usman Khan is better than rizwan only according you and a couple of others. It's laughable that a guy who hasn't even played international cricket is already better than our greatest wk.

Fakhar zaman is dropped to no4 because of he useless as an opener.

Imad wasim you said was better than iftikhar is Psl in terms of batting when iftikhar has more runs higher average Sr more sixes you name. Than you say he's 100 times the player and than you say iftikhar has better stats make up your mind.

On his day fakhar is as good as anyone in odis he hasn't done much in t20 bar a few innings.

Can you tell me about players who have similar odi averages to Babar. Rubbish Babar according to you who flopped in 4 tournaments has a WC average of 50 odd which is better than anyone in our history I believe. Fakhar opens in odis why did he fail the whole cw19 since according to your logic they have to perform all the time.

It's not a fair comparison because I don't have answer why other than my dislikes for the players. Why can you say that?

I have a genuine question, which school did you go to? I don't think you ever had any English literature teachers lol.

Usman Khan is better than rizwan only according you and a couple of others. It's laughable that a guy who hasn't even played international cricket is already better than our greatest wk.

And its laughabke that you think rizwan os our greatest keeper. Tell me why the greatest KEEPER IN PAKISTAN HISTORY, got outdone by a newbie for an entire season?


Fakhar zaman is dropped to no4 because of he useless as an opener.

You ignored everything i said about fakhar.

Imad wasim you said was better than iftikhar is Psl in terms of batting when iftikhar has more runs higher average Sr more sixes you name. Than you say he's 100 times the player and than you say iftikhar has better stats make up your mind.

You lack basic comprehensive skills, how is that my fault?

Can you tell me about players who have similar odi averages to Babar. Rubbish Babar according to you who flopped in 4 tournaments has a WC average of 50 odd which is better than anyone in our history I believe. Fakhar opens in odis why did he fail the whole cw19 since according to your logic they have to perform all the time.

And? Did he not fail 4 tournaments in a row yes or no?

 

[mominsaigol]

I laugh at good jokes. You're very creative as I said - even making up imaginary criteria of success for yourself and players you support

My criteria of success involves 2017, What does your criteria involve?

Being an overseas pakistani who watches anime starring Misbah ul haq?

Can't wait for the new episode of Misbah Ball Z and misbah Shippuden. Oh and tune in this Sunday for Misbah Piece. I've heard the episodes are lit, Ps: Canada streaming time involves 9:30 Est.

 

[emranabbas]

Another useless essay which doesn't answer anything.

It's not a fair comparison because I don't have answer why other than my dislikes for the players. Why can you say that?

Usman Khan is better than rizwan only according you and a couple of others. It's laughable that a guy who hasn't even played international cricket is already better than our greatest wk.

Fakhar zaman is dropped to no4 because of he useless as an opener.

Imad wasim you said was better than iftikhar is Psl in terms of batting when iftikhar has more runs higher average Sr more sixes you name. Than you say he's 100 times the player and than you say iftikhar has better stats make up your mind.

On his day fakhar is as good as anyone in odis he hasn't done much in t20 bar a few innings.

Can you tell me about players who have similar odi averages to Babar. Rubbish Babar according to you who flopped in 4 tournaments has a WC average of 50 odd which is better than anyone in our history I believe. Fakhar opens in odis why did he fail the whole cw19 since according to your logic they have to perform all the time.

I don't know why you are keep having the same conversation I have already proved you wrong and even posted stats who have same Ave and strike rate as babar and rizwan they were all rubbish players

T20 isn't about average and statpadding

If you opening then you need to have minimum 50 - 60 runs in the first 6 overs because only 3 fielders are allowed outside the circle thats a good opportunity to score boundries and your both hero's misrebly fail at that

First 6 overs you need 30 AVE players whose strike rate is 170+ not 50+ average players with strike rate of 120

*note for numpty this reply is to a conversation regarding t20 not odi or test

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't know why you are keep having the same conversation I have already proved you wrong and even posted stats who have same Ave and strike rate as babar and rizwan they were all rubbish players

T20 isn't about average and statpadding

If you opening then you need to have minimum 50 - 60 runs in the first 6 overs because only 3 fielders are allowed outside the circle thats a good opportunity to score boundries and your both hero's misrebly fail at that

First 6 overs you need 30 AVE players whose strike rate is 170+ not 50+ average players with strike rate of 120

*note for numpty this reply is to a conversation regarding t20 not odi or test

Lol, it's so funny you had to add a note because these people don't understand how formats work .

 

[Rana]

*note for numpty this reply is to a conversation regarding t20 not odi or test

Thanks for clarifying this because our friend will argue Babar and Rizwan are overall good players therefore they have a birth right to open in T20s

 

[daytrader]

My criteria of success involves 2017, What does your criteria involve?

Then where is your support for Junaid Khan, Hasan Ali and Babar Azam? They were all part of the winning circles. In fact why aren't you advocating for Shoaib Malik to return and as captain? He like Amir won 2 tournaments and hasn't yet retired from t20s.

Can't wait for the new episode of Misbah Ball Z and misbah Shippuden. Oh and tune in this Sunday for Misbah Piece.

Lol this is a classic case of Misbah living rent free in your head. But I think you're on to something, Misbah has the good guy qualities of the protagonists in those series. But since you hate him so bad, I hope every anime character reminds you of him in some way

 

[daytrader]

First 6 overs you need 30 AVE players whose strike rate is 170+ not 50+ average players with strike rate of 120

*note for numpty this reply is to a conversation regarding t20 not odi or test

Great you clarified. So much easier when you guys don't write useless essay and stick to a point.

Anyways please join @mominsaigol to gather the Dragon balls. We don't have any players striking at 150 let alone 170.

 

[daytrader]

*note for numpty this reply is to a conversation regarding t20 not odi or test

Thank you for taking my "confusing" away

 

[emranabbas]

Great you clarified. So much easier when you guys don't write useless essay and stick to a point.

Anyways please join @mominsaigol to gather the Dragon balls. We don't have any players striking at 150 let alone 170.

To start off with we seen saim ayub play at a strike rate of 300+ last game and 170 the game before

So here's the start.....

Just to add the before the previous game rizwan played at strike of 80 and babar strike of 128, Saim came in at 3 and played at strike of 170

So shouldn't saim be given an opportunity to open and make use of the field in first 6 overs?

Usman Khan also had a superior strike rate to rizwan all thought psl 9 playing for the same team against the same opposition same ground and same conditions

So here is your second opener

 

[mominsaigol]

Then where is your support for Junaid Khan, Hasan Ali and Babar Azam? They were all part of the winning circles. In fact why aren't you advocating for Shoaib Malik to return and as captain? He like Amir won 2 tournaments and hasn't yet retired from t20s.



Lol this is a classic case of Misbah living rent free in your head. But I think you're on to something, Misbah has the good guy qualities of the protagonists in those series. But since you hate him so bad, I hope every anime character reminds you of him in some way

What does that have to do with 2017 success?

2017 had a gelled team with great bowlers (Hasan ali who was in prime, Amir who was gum and junaid who was economical), Babar was an accumulator but he's surrounded by fakhar, Azhar(punched > his weight in ct and was actually an aggressive opener), hafeez, Malik( Both striking allrounders, Imad and sarfraz who did well in the lower order.

Shadab was a proper spinner and not this pseudo allrounder.

The whole team was gelled and every player knew their role and the country they were playing for.

Their were also no stupid cake videos. Sarfraz also rotated bowlers such as not having Amir play in every single match and same with other bowlers.

Currently babar has the habit of constantly playing the same winning 11 when people begged him to rest players, hence shaheen and Naseem got injured with zero rest given. The whole team became overweight under his captaincy, granted whether this was due to the cake videos or not, idk, but based of photos before and after you could clearly see everyone except for shaheen and rizwan, everyone including babar got that dad bod out, the team also never made stupid tiktok or akshay lunar videos such as "Hum bhoot bari atei hain"

We'll see how Well 2024 will go, But in 2023 we

A) Didn't have the best team due to ego on not having abrar or other players, With babar going as far as to claim shadab and nawaz after the asia cup were his match winners, any normal captain would have made the suggestion to the committee to drop these 2 morons for abrar who's test form( yes it's not odi, but who cares, he can't be worse then 2 bowlers who can't even beat Joe root in economy) and inad who did better in t20 then shadab (Yes ik it's a t20)

B) The roles weren't even clear, In 2017 ever role was clear fakhar would provide the start, azhar and Babar would try to bat through, malik, hafeez would strike in the middle especially spin bashing, imad and sarfraz would provide a finish. The bowlers Amir would take wickets upfront with hasan in the middle and junaid would provide economy.

In 2023, what were our roles? What exactly was Saud's role at no 5? Or chacha sometimes being sent at no 8?

By winning formula I don't mean same tried and tested players, I mean a gelled team that doesn't focus on tiktok videos, And everyone having a proper game plan and everyone batting at ther ideal positions.

Our current t20 team has middle order bats opening and opening bats batting in the middle order, joke combo.

 

[mominsaigol]

Great you clarified. So much easier when you guys don't write useless essay and stick to a point.

Anyways please join @mominsaigol to gather the Dragon balls. We don't have any players striking at 150 let alone 170.

First thing I'd wish to Shenron is to wish misbah away.

Second wish would be to wish you away.

Third wish would be to wish rizwan away.

Oops was going to wish babar away but ig Shenron only allows 3 wishes.

 

[PakEngFan]

I don't know why you are keep having the same conversation I have already proved you wrong and even posted stats who have same Ave and strike rate as babar and rizwan they were all rubbish players

T20 isn't about average and statpadding

If you opening then you need to have minimum 50 - 60 runs in the first 6 overs because only 3 fielders are allowed outside the circle thats a good opportunity to score boundries and your both hero's misrebly fail at that

First 6 overs you need 30 AVE players whose strike rate is 170+ not 50+ average players with strike rate of 120

*note for numpty this reply is to a conversation regarding t20 not odi or test

Proved me wrong when in your dream? Time to wake up.

 

[PakEngFan]

It's not a fair comparison because I don't have answer why other than my dislikes for the players. Why can you say that?

I have a genuine question, which school did you go to? I don't think you ever had any English literature teachers lol.

Usman Khan is better than rizwan only according you and a couple of others. It's laughable that a guy who hasn't even played international cricket is already better than our greatest wk.

And its laughabke that you think rizwan os our greatest keeper. Tell me why the greatest KEEPER IN PAKISTAN HISTORY, got outdone by a newbie for an entire season?


Fakhar zaman is dropped to no4 because of he useless as an opener.

You ignored everything i said about fakhar.

Imad wasim you said was better than iftikhar is Psl in terms of batting when iftikhar has more runs higher average Sr more sixes you name. Than you say he's 100 times the player and than you say iftikhar has better stats make up your mind.

You lack basic comprehensive skills, how is that my fault?

Can you tell me about players who have similar odi averages to Babar. Rubbish Babar according to you who flopped in 4 tournaments has a WC average of 50 odd which is better than anyone in our history I believe. Fakhar opens in odis why did he fail the whole cw19 since according to your logic they have to perform all the time.

And? Did he not fail 4 tournaments in a row yes or no?

Again when you don't have a answer you turn to personal attacks.

I know they won't have anything to do with my post as evident from the Imad and iftikhar comparison when you said he was better while IN FACT IFTIKHAR HAD MORR RUNS, BETTER AVERAGE, MORES, NORE BOUNDARIES, HIGHER SR and your childish reply was it's your comprehension. I would ask for a refund from the institute you are studying.

You ignored everything I said if we use your childish logic that means amir scored more runs then your greatest wk in sarfraz.

 

[PakEngFan]

Great you clarified. So much easier when you guys don't write useless essay and stick to a point.

Anyways please join @mominsaigol to gather the Dragon balls. We don't have any players striking at 150 let alone 170.

They do exist 4 off 2 balls. That's 200sr. These clueless posters asking for players which hardly exist in the world let alone Pakistan.

 

[daytrader]

To start off with we seen saim ayub play at a strike rate of 300+ last game and 170 the game before

So here's the start.....

Just to add the before the previous game rizwan played at strike of 80 and babar strike of 128, Saim came in at 3 and played at strike of 170

Are you talking about PSL stats or internationals? Cause in internationals I haven't seen Saim strike that high.

And in PSL his last game was against United where he was striking at 165 and the game before that against the Sultans it was 25. I don't know what games you're watching.

You're not helping in taking the confusing away lol. Bringing up random stats again from God knows where.

So shouldn't saim be given an opportunity to open and make use of the field in first 6 overs?

Saim is being given opportunities. He's obviously being groomed by Babar and has his full support. I hope he succeeds but your expectations of 170+ strike rate is too high.

Usman Khan also had a superior strike rate to rizwan all thought psl 9 playing for the same team against the same opposition same ground and same conditions

Everything is the same except the roles. Rizwan was playing anchor which helps batters at the other end go hard.

Anyways Usman too is getting a chance.

But to declare him better than Rizwan and Babar when he hasn't even made an international debut yet, really puts your cricketing IQ into question kiddo

 

[PakEngFan]

Are you talking about PSL stats or internationals? Cause in internationals I haven't seen Saim strike that high.

And in PSL his last game was against United where he was striking at 165 and the game before that against the Sultans it was 25. I don't know what games you're watching.

You're not helping in taking the confusing away lol. Bringing up random stats again from God knows where.



Saim is being given opportunities. He's obviously being groomed by Babar and has his full support. I hope he succeeds but your expectations of 170+ strike rate is too high.



Everything is the same except the roles. Rizwan was playing anchor which helps batters at the other end go hard.

Anyways Usman too is getting a chance.

But to declare him better than Rizwan and Babar when he hasn't even made an international debut yet, really puts your cricketing IQ into question kiddo

He has cricketing IQ? That's news to me.

 

[emranabbas]

Are you talking about PSL stats or internationals? Cause in internationals I haven't seen Saim strike that high.

And in PSL his last game was against United where he was striking at 165 and the game before that against the Sultans it was 25. I don't know what games you're watching.

You're not helping in taking the confusing away lol. Bringing up random stats again from God knows where.



Saim is being given opportunities. He's obviously being groomed by Babar and has his full support. I hope he succeeds but your expectations of 170+ strike rate is too high.



Everything is the same except the roles. Rizwan was playing anchor which helps batters at the other end go hard.

Anyways Usman too is getting a chance.

But to declare him better than Rizwan and Babar when he hasn't even made an international debut yet, really puts your cricketing IQ into question kiddo

These are international stats vs newzealand

PAK vs NZ Cricket Scorecard, 1st T20I at Lahore, April 14, 2023

Get cricket scorecard of 1st T20I, PAK vs NZ, New Zealand in Pakistan 2023 at Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore dated April 14, 2023.

www.espncricinfo.com

NZ vs PAK Cricket Scorecard, 1st T20I at Auckland, January 12, 2024

Get cricket scorecard of 1st T20I, NZ vs PAK, Pakistan in New Zealand 2023/24 at Eden Park, Auckland dated January 12, 2024.

www.espncricinfo.com

These were international games they were also broadcasted live on tv channels across the world

I think you better stay confused I don't have time to school you, you better go back to school or something I'm not interested in teaching little kids with no brains

 

[daytrader]

Again when you don't have a answer you turn to personal attacks.

I know they won't have anything to do with my post as evident from the Imad and iftikhar comparison when you said he was better while IN FACT IFTIKHAR HAD MORR RUNS, BETTER AVERAGE, MORES, NORE BOUNDARIES, HIGHER SR and your childish reply was it's your comprehension. I would ask for a refund from the institute you are studying.

You ignored everything I said if we use your childish logic that means amir scored more runs then your greatest wk in sarfraz.

The irony died when he started off his response by criticizing your writing. Really rich from a bloke who doesn't know the difference between ''there' vs 'their' and has trouble understanding not so big words.

Personal attacks and goal shifting are modus operandi for this poster

 

[daytrader]

These are international stats vs newzealand

PAK vs NZ Cricket Scorecard, 1st T20I at Lahore, April 14, 2023

Get cricket scorecard of 1st T20I, PAK vs NZ, New Zealand in Pakistan 2023 at Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore dated April 14, 2023.

www.espncricinfo.com

NZ vs PAK Cricket Scorecard, 1st T20I at Auckland, January 12, 2024

Get cricket scorecard of 1st T20I, NZ vs PAK, Pakistan in New Zealand 2023/24 at Eden Park, Auckland dated January 12, 2024.

www.espncricinfo.com

These were international games they were also broadcasted live on tv channels across the world

I think you better stay confused I don't have time to school you, you better go back to school or something I'm not interested in teaching little kids with no brains

These are not his last 2 games as you claimed. Do you forget what you write. Just keep adding to the confusing

To start off with we seen saim ayub play at a strike rate of 300+ last game and 170 the game before

 

[emranabbas]

He has cricketing IQ? That's news to me.

Unlike you I don't need to rely on idiots to respond on my behalf that says it all about you

 

[PakEngFan]

The irony died when he started off his response by criticizing your writing. Really rich from a bloke who doesn't know the difference between ''there' vs 'their' and has trouble understanding not so big words.

Personal attacks and goal shifting are modus operandi for this poster

He can't answer anything hence has to turn to personal attacks. He's obsessed with education but he needs to look at himself first.

 

[daytrader]

Unlike you I don't need to rely on idiots to respond on my behalf that says it all about you

You obviously don't, you're doing a great job showing who's an idiot all by yourself

 

[emranabbas]

These are not his last 2 games as you claimed. Do you forget what you write. Just keep adding to the confusing

That's his last 2 games for pakistan the discussion is about international cricket not psl

dont think you have IQ to understand these discussions or your not mentally well in the head

all i can say is get well soon bro

please everyone wish daytrader get well soon

 

[daytrader]

He can't answer anything hence has to turn to personal attacks. He's obsessed with education but he needs to look at himself first.

Poor guy just wants to be validated by writing essays. Reminds of the Chris Brown song with a twist:

Look at me now, look at me now, oh
I'm WRITING papers

 

[emranabbas]

You obviously don't, you're doing a great job showing who's an idiot all by yourself

Yes many time I've shown what an idiot you are trying to go off topic

Bringing tests and t20 in odi discussions and bringing psl in to international stats because you cant prove your point

 

[daytrader]

That's his last 2 games for pakistan the discussion is about international cricket not psl

dont think you have IQ to understand these discussions or your not mentally well in the head

all i can say is get well soon bro

please everyone wish daytrader get well soon

Better to confirm something before you post it.

This is his last game

NZ vs PAK Cricket Scorecard, 4th T20I at Christchurch, January 19, 2024

Get cricket scorecard of 4th T20I, NZ vs PAK, Pakistan in New Zealand 2023/24 at Hagley Oval, Christchurch dated January 19, 2024.

www.espncricinfo.com

And this is his 2nd last game

NZ vs PAK Cricket Scorecard, 3rd T20I at Dunedin, January 17, 2024

Get cricket scorecard of 3rd T20I, NZ vs PAK, Pakistan in New Zealand 2023/24 at University Oval, Dunedin dated January 17, 2024.

www.espncricinfo.com

Thanks for the wishes but seems like you need more help cause you haven't taken away my confusing yet

 

[emranabbas]

Better to confirm something before you post it.

This is his last game

NZ vs PAK Cricket Scorecard, 4th T20I at Christchurch, January 19, 2024

Get cricket scorecard of 4th T20I, NZ vs PAK, Pakistan in New Zealand 2023/24 at Hagley Oval, Christchurch dated January 19, 2024.

www.espncricinfo.com

And this is his 2nd last game

NZ vs PAK Cricket Scorecard, 3rd T20I at Dunedin, January 17, 2024

Get cricket scorecard of 3rd T20I, NZ vs PAK, Pakistan in New Zealand 2023/24 at University Oval, Dunedin dated January 17, 2024.

www.espncricinfo.com

Thanks for the wishes but seems like you need more help cause you haven't taken away my confusing yet

Doesn't matter what games it is point is he can strike better than rizwan and babar

 

[daytrader]

Yes many time I've shown what an idiot you are trying to go off topic

Bringing tests and t20 in odi discussions and bringing psl in to international stats because you cant prove your point

In your head kiddo, you've probably won a million battles. I own you no matter the topic

 

[daytrader]

Doesn't matter what games it is point is he can strike better than rizwan and babar

Haha okay so now you wanna shift goal posts. Who's going off topic now kiddo

 

[emranabbas]

In your head kiddo, you've probably won a million battles. I own you no matter the topic

Point remains the same putter you can clutch the straws

"Saim ayub strikes better than Babar and rizwan and should be batting in the first 6 overs"

You don't own nothing your just showing your stupidity

 

[mominsaigol]

The irony died when he started off his response by criticizing your writing. Really rich from a bloke who doesn't know the difference between ''there' vs 'their' and has trouble understanding not so big words.

Personal attacks and goal shifting are modus operandi for this poster

Bro quit the gramatical drama, on the Internet I'm not gonna bother correctly typing in their or there . It's a forumn and you can understand.

Secondly @PakEngFan You guys make personal insults 24/7?

Even now you just insulted @emranabbas . The personal insults + clown emojis + nonsense comes from you.

Don't me go back to " Don't disrespect our legends " @daytrader or the POTW nonsense again.

 

[RyanRyan10]

20 is not good enough but when sarfraz is the other option it is good enough. Not sure what tournament you were watching maybe from previous years when they didn't make the playoffs during so called greatest captain. This year they made the play offs and the tournament wasn't over. But yes make up things to make yourself feel better.

It's fine if you don't rate Sarfaraz as a player and as a leader. But do you realize how absurd your comments sound when you say that Laurie Evans is responsible for ending Sarfaraz's career, when all he could manage in 4 innings was a mere 20 runs?

 

[mominsaigol]

In your head kiddo, you've probably won a million battles. I own you no matter the topic

In your own head, you've won Zero . In reality you've also won zero.

When have you won anything? Oh wait spell the word victory for me.

 

[daytrader]

Point remains the same putter you can clutch the straws

"Saim ayub strikes better than Babar and rizwan and should be batting in the first 6 overs"

You don't own nothing your just showing your stupidity

You were trying to get oversmart and just got exposed and had to back track.
Hun tu ban gyi abbay di poli

 

[emranabbas]

Bro quit the gramatical drama, on the Internet I'm not gonna bother correctly typing in their or there . It's a forumn and you can understand.

Secondly @PakEngFan You guys make personal insults 24/7?

Even now you just insulted @emranabbas . The personal insults + clown emojis + nonsense comes from you.

Don't me go back to " Don't disrespect our legends " @daytrader or the POTW nonsense again.

Bro don't worry

they are just frustrated because they have been losing every debate and out of frustration they can now only post emoji and come to personal attacks

 

[mominsaigol]

He can't answer anything hence has to turn to personal attacks. He's obsessed with education but he needs to look at himself first.

I've answered everything 24/7. It's not my fault you can't comprehend English, it's bad enough you can't comprehend urdu, what language can you speak?

 

[RyanRyan10]

I've answered everything 24/7. It's not my fault you can't comprehend English, it's bad enough you can't comprehend urdu, what language can you speak?

Luganda

 

[Rana]

I've answered everything 24/7. It's not my fault you can't comprehend English, it's bad enough you can't comprehend urdu, what language can you speak?

Luganada

You need to use google translate into Luganda

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro don't worry

they are just frustrated because they have been losing every debate and out of frustration they can now only post emoji and come to personal attacks

Just FYI, these guys who are claiming that we insult.

Daytrader threatened me about misbah on our first encounter when I didn't even know who he was, and then made a very snarky sneaky insult on a potw which wasn't relevant to him nor was even related to him.

Pakengfan was also the only guy to attack me in the fan 11 post when everyone else remained quiet and just posted their own fan 11.

These guys have no right to talk about others getting personal.

 

[daytrader]

Bro quit the gramatical drama, on the Internet I'm not gonna bother correctly typing in their or there . It's a forumn and you can understand.

Secondly @PakEngFan You guys make personal insults 24/7?

Even now you just insulted @emranabbas . The personal insults + clown emojis + nonsense comes from you.

Don't me go back to " Don't disrespect our legends " @daytrader or the POTW nonsense again.

He started it and so did you. If you're gonna start insulting, be prepared for retaliation. It's a simple formula. Give respect, get respect otherwise get owned

 

[emranabbas]

You were trying to get oversmart and just got exposed and had to back track.
Hun tu ban gyi abbay di poli

My points still remains the same

"saim ayub can play at a better strike rate than Babar and rizwan"

Doesn't matter if its in game 1 and 2 or game 4 and 5 or even in psl

Point is

"saim ayub can play at a better strike rate than Babar and rizwan"

Discussing this further will only make you look stupid

 

[PakEngFan]

Bro quit the gramatical drama, on the Internet I'm not gonna bother correctly typing in their or there . It's a forumn and you can understand.

Secondly @PakEngFan You guys make personal insults 24/7?

Even now you just insulted @emranabbas . The personal insults + clown emojis + nonsense comes from you.

Don't me go back to " Don't disrespect our legends " @daytrader or the POTW nonsense again.

I am playing the same game as you guys. Stop crying now one ran to mods last time.