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A humiliating defeat at home for India

Rohit is 35. Time is not on his side. If they want HTB they can use Mayank Agarwal. Great player against spin even on a turning track. He averages 70 at home. Another one Prithvi shaw averages 118 at home. Frequently going AWOL I bet Jaiswal would eat any attack on the planet alive in current form at home. He can also be given a run. SO many youngsters are coming through. Rohit has to take a call on whether he is interested in Tests. From what i heard even the 5th test in England was skipped by India due to influence of Rohit citing COVID fears. Ironically he missed the rescheduled match by contracting COVID. Openers are the most critical components in SENA tours. Rohit missed 4 back to back SENA matches. He is the MI IPL captain. T20 India captain. ODI India captain. Now India Test captain. Even in the format where his captaincy is supposedly good he has been scratchy. His team in IPL reached bottom. India couldn't even make it to final of Asia cup. Lost world T20. His stock has fallen steeply. India has to move on from the oldies in Tests. Longer they take deeper India will sink. Ashwin 36, Jadeja 34, Kohli 33. There will be a mass exodus.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Appointing HP as a T20 Captain is good move.
But as a ODI captain would be a bad move. The guy isn’t even playing the format and not fit enough to play all games.
Surely, you’d want a captain who is there for the majority of games? He didn’t even bowl in the NZ series
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I would be happy with 3 different captains for the team.

T20I - Rohit S/Pandya
ODIs - Rohit S/Pandya
Tests - Pant/Gill

Pant and Gill are the future, and taking a chance on them could be a Graeme Smith like move. Can't think of any other player who is a) regular in the test squad, b) is young, c) plays most matches

Bumrah even though not old, doesn't have a lot of captaincy experience. Ashwin and Jadeja are not the future and would only be stop gap replacement. And if you do need a temporary captain, they could have just stuck with Kohli, who even though not astute tactically, was a good leader of men.
 
Mamoon said:
That is because they played in UAE in the 2010s not Pakistan. They will fare much better in Pakistan because their bowlers will do better than they did in UAE.

India will not lose to England in UAE either.
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Legendary post! And a huge 🤣 on Mobashir 🤣🤣.
 
szrana007 said:
Nothing humiliating about this bro, but I seriously believe that England are well on their way to repeat their 2012/13 heroics in India.
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Yes, England repeated the 2012/13 heroics but they repeated it in Pakistan this time and that too with a whitewash :91: :inti
 
T20Is - Hardik Pandya
ODIs - Jasprit Bumrah
Tests - Rishabh Pant

I don't see a better option than Jasprit Bumrah for ODIs as captain. If not Bumrah then Rohit should be persisted only.
 
Ab Fan said:
T20Is - Hardik Pandya
ODIs - Jasprit Bumrah
Tests - Rishabh Pant

I don't see a better option than Jasprit Bumrah for ODIs as captain. If not Bumrah then Rohit should be persisted only.
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What’re you responding to?
 
Got it. But Bumrah is a risk given how injury prone he is. You want continuity there. Perhaps SKY? I’m assuming that he’s going to be a regular going forward.
 
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He's the new flavor these days - plus he's done well in IPL (which apparently holds sway given how everyone was itching for Rohit Sharma to be the white ball captain). A fit Pandya is a shoo-in for white ball teams.
Shreyas seems to be doing well nice and he too has some captaincy credentials. Even with his short ball problem which we've been told he has been working on quite diligently, he can still cut it.
 
[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION]

Lost at home to Australia in Tests & T20Is
Lost at home to England in Tests & T20Is
Drew at home in Tests vs New Zealand & lost ODIs

How humiliating is this for Pakistan?
 
This is very humiliating for Pakistan. But what has this to do with India? Both countries should have own threads so the poor fans can laugh at eachother when one fails.
 
Mamoon said:
[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION]

Lost at home to Australia in Tests & T20Is
Lost at home to England in Tests & T20Is
Drew at home in Tests vs New Zealand & lost ODIs

How humiliating is this for Pakistan?
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Actually, NZ should have won the test series as well. In both the test matches bad light, bad luck and some helping hand from umpire Aleem Dar saved Pakistan. Else it would have been 2-0 for the Kiwis.
 
IAJ said:
This is very humiliating for Pakistan. But what has this to do with India? Both countries should have own threads so the poor fans can laugh at eachother when one fails.
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NZ is touring us next week for ODI series. We will show you how to beat them at home :inti

:kp
 
OP is pure comedy but sometimes i think has some sort of point. he rates india so high that they shouldn't ever lose a single test at home.

IND at home in tests in last 5 years

M - 16
W - 14
L - 1
D - 1

so losing chennai test was a hard one for india. it would've been okay if he only pointed that out, but no, he had to go on to add humiliation stuff by mentioning the specifics leach, ENG and all to provide us all some pure comedy :)))
 
Aman said:
Don't really care, just hoping Finn, Phillips, Mitchell and Bracewell score runs.
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I am sure you rather win than lose, so there is definitely an element of care.

The NZ batters should be able to score a ton of runs as the ODI wickets will be flat.
 
Rahul and Axar are unavailable for this series.

This means SKY will bat at 5 and Sundar at 7 assuming they field a team without a keeper. :gilly
 
Romali_rotti said:
I am sure you rather win than lose, so there is definitely an element of care.

The NZ batters should be able to score a ton of runs as the ODI wickets will be flat.
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Conway did play well for CSK in a few matches. He was able to adjust his game. For Kane williamson India is like home conditions given the amount of IPL he has played here.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I am sure you rather win than lose, so there is definitely an element of care.

The NZ batters should be able to score a ton of runs as the ODI wickets will be flat.
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Not that fussed about the result, I just want our young players to play well.
 
Rajdeep said:
NZ is touring us next week for ODI series. We will show you how to beat them at home :inti

:kp
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Aman said:
I hope this ages like milk.
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Rajdeep said:
Are you watching Aman? Worried the carnage awaits your team next week? :))

:kp
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Aman said:
Don't really care, just hoping Finn, Phillips, Mitchell and Bracewell score runs.
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Are you still watching Aman? Nothing aged like Milk and as always Rajdeep proved to be correct.

Your team got thoroughly outclassed by a better side

:shhh
 
shamaan said:
This was New Zealand second string team.
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Nz players not playing against India

1. Willamson
2. South
3. Bolt

Indian first choice players not playing against NZ

1. KL Rahul
2. Rishab Pant
3. Jasprit Bumrah
4. Ravindra Jadeja
5. Axar Patel
6. Deepak Chahar
7. Bhuvaneshar kumar
 
IamIndian said:
Nz players not playing against India

1. Willamson
2. South
3. Bolt

Indian first choice players not playing against NZ

1. KL Rahul
2. Rishab Pant
3. Jasprit Bumrah
4. Ravindra Jadeja
5. Axar Patel
6. Deepak Chahar
7. Bhuvaneshar kumar
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8. Sreyas Iyer
 
IamIndian said:
Nz players not playing against India

1. Willamson
2. South
3. Bolt

Indian first choice players not playing against NZ

1. KL Rahul
2. Rishab Pant
3. Jasprit Bumrah
4. Ravindra Jadeja
5. Axar Patel
6. Deepak Chahar
7. Bhuvaneshar kumar
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Shreyas Iyer

Prasidh Krishna ( was above Umran and Siraj before injury )
 
IamIndian said:
Nz players not playing against India

1. Willamson
2. South
3. Bolt

Indian first choice players not playing against NZ

1. KL Rahul
2. Rishab Pant
3. Jasprit Bumrah
4. Ravindra Jadeja
5. Axar Patel
6. Deepak Chahar
7. Bhuvaneshar kumar
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You only missed Bumrah and Axar all the rest wont make the xi.

Bumrah=bolt.
Williamson= all the rest.
 
Mobashir said:
It's not humiliating anymore. They are used to it.
Well done India!
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Good to see you find your voice again.
Do you think Babar will recover from getting exposed like this?
 
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Mamoon said:
Good to see you find your voice again.

Do you think Babar will recover from getting exposed like this?
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Thanks, I was quite busy, I try to come here but can't find much time.
Today was such a good day of test cricket that I tought I should come.

Thread isn't about Babar, but because you asked: Babar is proving to be just a very good player, like most asian players. Don't have that clutch thing in him. Surely not Smith, Stokes level player.
 
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Mobashir said:
Thanks, I was quite busy, I try to come here but can't find much time.
Today was such a good day of test cricket that I tought I should come.

Thread isn't about Babar, but because you asked: Babar is proving to be just a very good player, like most asian players. Don't have that clutch thing in him. Surely not Smith, Stokes level player.
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Yes you were “busy”.

I’m sure that had Kohli failed in the World Cup and Babar performed, you would have been the least busy person in the whole world.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes you were “busy”.

I’m sure that had Kohli failed in the World Cup and Babar performed, you would have been the least busy person in the whole world.
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Actually I tought Kohli was pathetic in the world cup. Babar batted poorly but Kohli was pathetic with his selfishness that passed every selfish player in the history.
Rohit was a lot better than him, even Iyer played better. He was the slowest of all batsmen in the top runs scorers. No one was playing like him in this world cup. Other players were playing to win matches he was playing to score personal runs only.
 
Mobashir said:
Actually I tought Kohli was pathetic in the world cup. Babar batted poorly but Kohli was pathetic with his selfishness that passed every selfish player in the history.
Rohit was a lot better than him, even Iyer played better. He was the slowest of all batsmen in the top runs scorers. No one was playing like him in this world cup. Other players were playing to win matches he was playing to score personal runs only.
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Agreed he had the lowest Sr among the top 10 bats in the world cup I believe and off course choked when set. He would have got a hundred if it wasn't a world cup final.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes you were “busy”.

I’m sure that had Kohli failed in the World Cup and Babar performed, you would have been the least busy person in the whole world.
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Like you do on days when Pak does well?

India were outshone by a better opponent - simple as that - and in front of doting home fans.

After the whole fiasco of the visa for Bashir, England were supposed to roll over and play dead - which they did not and humiliated India and its fans.

Appreciate that.
 
As Andrew Strauss used to say , kick in the teeth it is for India and so called Pakistan pundits who were harping the greatness of India like Moyo predicted 5-0 to India
 
Mobashir said:
Actually I tought Kohli was pathetic in the world cup. Babar batted poorly but Kohli was pathetic with his selfishness that passed every selfish player in the history.
Rohit was a lot better than him, even Iyer played better. He was the slowest of all batsmen in the top runs scorers. No one was playing like him in this world cup. Other players were playing to win matches he was playing to score personal runs only.
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Babar average 40 at a strike rate of 80. He was absolutely terrible lol, got exposed as a nobody. Kohli haf a wc babar couldn't even dream of
 
India has lost total 4 test matches in last 11 years. It is more of an anomaly than humiliation. This occurrence is so rare that even as an Indian fan I was secretly rooting for England today to break this monotony and make the series interesting. The real humiliation is not winning a single test match at home for a whole year.
 
PakEngFan said:
Agreed he had the lowest Sr among the top 10 bats in the world cup I believe and off course choked when set. He would have got a hundred if it wasn't a world cup final.
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You can only compare between #3 batsmen in the World Cup. How can you even compare across batsmen at different batting numbers.

Kohli was 2nd only to Rachin Ravindra as a #3 at the World Cup.

Let's not even talk about Babar who was one of the worst.
 
India are good enough to bounce back as they have shown numerous times in the past. This will give them a needed kick up the backside. They need to find answers to Ben Ducket and Ollie Pope's reverse sweeps.
 
One loss out of like 20 tests at home, and it's humiliation. , lol.

Bitterness has no limit.
 
Buffet said:
One loss out of like 20 tests at home, and it's humiliation. , lol.

Bitterness has no limit.
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Loosing one test out of 20 isn't a humiliation. Who said it was ?
You have to be out of your mind to think that.

But Loosing a test match in these conditions after a first innings lead of 190 runs against an attack of Leach (injured), Heartley, Rehan and Root is an humiliation.
You can act like a patriotic Indian and come back answering what ever you want, it will not change the fact That's an humiliation.
 
It won't be a humiliating loss if india wins 3-1 or 4-1. If England wins or draws the series, then yes it's a humiliation
 
Kianig89 said:
As Andrew Strauss used to say , kick in the teeth it is for India and so called Pakistan pundits who were harping the greatness of India like Moyo predicted 5-0 to India
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The only team who got kicked in the teeth was England. They probably need a whole new denture.

This has been an epic thrashing.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
It won't be a humiliating loss if india wins 3-1 or 4-1. If England wins or draws the series, then yes it's a humiliation
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India winning 4-1 after the first Test was the prediction of anyone who knew anything about cricket and wasn’t high on the euphoria of Bazball.
 
Missing players left, right and centre and still have cruised to a series win. Why do people shoot themselves on the foot with illogical statements
 
That India dropping one test at home results in such OTT statements show how dominant the team is. In the 90s and 2000s winning one test in Australia was like winning a World Cup, same with WI in their era of world domination. People may think they are mocking Indian team with such posts but actually they are praising the team without even realizing.
 
Mobashir said:
Loosing one test out of 20 isn't a humiliation. Who said it was ?
You have to be out of your mind to think that.

But Loosing a test match in these conditions after a first innings lead of 190 runs against an attack of Leach (injured), Heartley, Rehan and Root is an humiliation.
You can act like a patriotic Indian and come back answering what ever you want, it will not change the fact That's an humiliation.
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4-1 in India's favor, that too without Kohli, and missing our main players here and there.
 
Hitman said:
4-1 in India's favor, that too without Kohli, and missing our main players here and there. Will you be gracious enough to honour us with your presence now?
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A logical win.
I don't rate this english team at all and India is very good at home.
Never, I expected Heartley, bashir and CO to win a series in india.
That's why Loosing the first test in that fashion was an humiliation.
 
MenInG said:
Like you do on days when Pak does well?

India were outshone by a better opponent - simple as that - and in front of doting home fans.

After the whole fiasco of the visa for Bashir, England were supposed to roll over and play dead - which they did not and humiliated India and its fans.

Appreciate that.
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@MenInG a few words please...
 
Mobashir said:
A logical win.
I don't rate this english team at all and India is very good at home.
Never, I expected Heartley, bashir and CO to win a series in india.
That's why Loosing the first test in that fashion was an humiliation.
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And that's coming from a team that has been whitewashed and humiliated in every single series in Australia since 1999. A 100% losing record with not even a drawn Test since then.
 
Hitman said:
And that's coming from a team that has been whitewashed and humiliated in every single series in Australia since 1999. A 100% losing record with not even a drawn Test since then.
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Pakistan record in Australia is a big big humiliation.
And what ? I can't state other facts ? What kind of chilidsh comments do you write.
You jade nothing useful to say about my post so brought another thing.
 
Mobashir said:
Pakistan record in Australia is a big big humiliation.
And what ? I can't state other facts ? What kind of chilidsh comments do you write.
You jade nothing useful to say about my post so brought another thing.
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Childish people are those who start threads celebrating and commenting about a team's humiliation after their loss in the 1st Test in a 5 Test series, and ending up humiliating themselves after the series ends.
 
Mobashir said:
A logical win.
I don't rate this english team at all and India is very good at home.
Never, I expected Heartley, bashir and CO to win a series in india.
That's why Loosing the first test in that fashion was an humiliation.
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So basically you don't rate any team , including India, but will call it a humiliation if India loses to anyone. The win may be logical but your posts are completely devoid of any logic
 
Mobashir said:
A logical win.
I don't rate this english team at all and India is very good at home.
Never, I expected Heartley, bashir and CO to win a series in india.
That's why Loosing the first test in that fashion was an humiliation.
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Only bowlers play test matches?

India was playing this series with 5 debutants. English batting was much stronger this series. So this Bashir and Hartley excuse won't fly.
 
Rajdeep said:
Only bowlers play test matches?

India was playing this series with 5 debutants. English batting was much stronger this series. So this Bashir and Hartley excuse won't fly.
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Bowlers win you test matches.
I think both batting line up were about evenly matched but facing Bumrah + Indian Spinners is not the same as facing Heartley, Bashir, Rehan and co
 
Nikhil_cric said:
So basically you don't rate any team , including India, but will call it a humiliation if India loses to anyone. The win may be logical but your posts are completely devoid of any logic
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That's not that far from the reality, I don't rate many teams going around.
If you compare them to the teams of 00's, they are all Worst.
 
Mobashir said:
Pakistan record in Australia is a big big humiliation.
And what ? I can't state other facts ? What kind
of chilidsh comments do you write.
You jade nothing useful to say about my post so brought another thing.
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Pakistan's record at home is also a big big humiliation.

Also, Indian batting is well ahead of England's batting. Only one batter averages 40+ in this England side.
 
Ab Fan said:
Pakistan's record at home is also a big big humiliation.

Also, Indian batting is well ahead of England's batting. Only one batter averages 37+ in this England side.
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Only Jaiswal has a good average in the Indian batting line up. And he is probably the only quality batsman, Maybe Sarfraz can also come good.
 
As for Kohli's world cup, in that world cup alone he played 5 innings which were better than the whole career of Babar Azam.
 
Mobashir said:
That's not that far from the reality, I don't rate many teams going around.
If you compare them to the teams of 00's, they are all Worst.
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So Cricket itself ended in the 00’s ? Maybe it seems like that to you because Pakistani cricket ended in the 00s for sure
 
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