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Are Jews to blame for the rise in anti-semitism?

I've been noticing that France and Germany are becoming more anti-religion in general lately.
 
France and Germany have a serious issue with racism and xenophobia in general. I don't think it's particularly just Jews being discriminated here or them "controlling the media" giving a rise to these statistics.

Correlation does not mean causation.
 
Of course! They control the mainstream media in the West, and the media is a method of brainwashing!

There are estimated over 1.5 billion Muslims. If say even 2% do bad things, people lay the blame at Muslims.

Yet there are nearly 50% of the world Jews living in Israel. A nation which illegaly occupies land and a nation which kills people reguarly including children in the open.

Jews in Israel and other parts of the world also justify this , yet Muslims are told to apologise or speak louder.

So surely Jews are to blame if Muslims are, much more so by such logic?
 
The Jews are a gift to this world with their contribution to science, but the Palestine conflict is a big failure on their part and has promoted Anti-Semitism.

There is always some truth in any generalization and prejudice, and the Jews cannot accuse people of Anti-Semitism by continuing to butcher Palestinians.
 
The Jews are a gift to this world with their contribution to science, but the Palestine conflict is a big failure on their part and has promoted Anti-Semitism.

There is always some truth in any generalization and prejudice, and the Jews cannot accuse people of Anti-Semitism by continuing to butcher Palestinians.

Gift to the world? I suggest you read up on Moses' last sermon. Book of Deuteronomy. He himself said, and I quote, "Curse be the ground you walk on for you shall never see peace".

Jews insulted the God that saved them by worshiping a Golden Calf (Read up on Surah Al-Baqara) - hint.

Their gift to the world is usury - look this up too.
 
Germany is a tinder box, i have no idea how they are managing to control it. the amount of immigrants posing as refugees that have been allowed into that country is staggering.

the new far right has fed off this and will only go from strength to strength, and the far right has never liked jews, so they will pbly be even more antisemitism in Germany, and Europe going forward.

so in a round about way its the fault the belligerents in the proxy war in syria, and for the far left germans (some of whom may be jews) who've left their country open to being exploited in this manner.
 
There are estimated over 1.5 billion Muslims. If say even 2% do bad things, people lay the blame at Muslims.

Yet there are nearly 50% of the world Jews living in Israel. A nation which illegaly occupies land and a nation which kills people reguarly including children in the open.

Jews in Israel and other parts of the world also justify this , yet Muslims are told to apologise or speak louder.

So surely Jews are to blame if Muslims are, much more so by such logic?

It just proves that it's not about numbers but positions of power.

Jews are in positions of power in the USA because of sympathy. Remember, it was FDR (US President) who refuse Jews from seeking refuge in the USA. We all know what happened to FDR.

It is no surprise that APIAC is the most powerful lobby in the USA.
 
The Jews are a gift to this world with their contribution to science, but the Palestine conflict is a big failure on their part and has promoted Anti-Semitism.

There is always some truth in any generalization and prejudice, and the Jews cannot accuse people of Anti-Semitism by continuing to butcher Palestinians.

I think this is a very fair take on the situation. Jews have made a lot of breakthroughs and have been very important in the development of various communities and their research is invaluable, however it's all pointless to some people if they're murdering children in Palestine like it's nothing.
 
Gift to the world? I suggest you read up on Moses' last sermon. Book of Deuteronomy. He himself said, and I quote, "Curse be the ground you walk on for you shall never see peace".

Jews insulted the God that saved them by worshiping a Golden Calf (Read up on Surah Al-Baqara) - hint.

Their gift to the world is usury - look this up too.

It's about contribution to every aspect of science. Not religion.

Without Jews, the human society would have been fallen behind.
 
Nobody outside of Islamic world think Jews are bad. Considering how much they contributed for modern science for their tiny population, they are in fact a gift to mankind.
 
It just proves that it's not about numbers but positions of power.

Jews are in positions of power in the USA because of sympathy. Remember, it was FDR (US President) who refuse Jews from seeking refuge in the USA. We all know what happened to FDR.

It is no surprise that APIAC is the most powerful lobby in the USA.

What is strange is it was the white Europeans who abused Jews and killed many but now they use this sympathy to help them to abuse and kill Arabs? The holocaust insdustry has now become so strong, any criticism of Israel is seen as anti-Jew.
 
It's about contribution to every aspect of science. Not religion.

Without Jews, the human society would have been fallen behind.

Agree, without Jews there would be no fractional reserve banking, central bank, interest on loans, and of course, wars.
 
Nobody outside of Islamic world think Jews are bad. Considering how much they contributed for modern science for their tiny population, they are in fact a gift to mankind.

Try to READ the the OP.

But heres a little help for your ignorance.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-worldwide-boils-over-at-pittsburgh-synagogue


It's a world issue.

Also as an Indian, perhaps you know something.

Hitler’s Hindus: The Rise and Rise of India’s Nazi-loving Nationalists

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532
 
What is strange is it was the white Europeans who abused Jews and killed many but now they use this sympathy to help them to abuse and kill Arabs? The holocaust insdustry has now become so strong, any criticism of Israel is seen as anti-Jew.

Such is the power and brainwashing that criticism of Israeli policies is considered Anti-semetic.

The fact is, it's not just Muslims whom question the motives of the Jews.
 
Try to READ the the OP.

But heres a little help for your ignorance.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-worldwide-boils-over-at-pittsburgh-synagogue


It's a world issue.

Also as an Indian, perhaps you know something.



https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532

You are wasting your time. The fact he believes no one outside of the Muslim world hates Jews just goes to prove how powerful the brainwashing is.

Maybe he doesn't realize that Jews are the most persecuted people in humanity, and this before Islam was bestowed in the Middle East.
 
Gift to the world? I suggest you read up on Moses' last sermon. Book of Deuteronomy. He himself said, and I quote, "Curse be the ground you walk on for you shall never see peace".

Jews insulted the God that saved them by worshiping a Golden Calf (Read up on Surah Al-Baqara) - hint.

Their gift to the world is usury - look this up too.

Golden calves, Moses and his miracles are not gifts to this world and neither have they made any contribution to science and advancement. Keep religion out of this.

Perhaps this mindset - and this train of thought - is the reason why Muslims have made no positive contribution to science since the 14th century.
 
The Jews are a gift to this world with their contribution to science, but the Palestine conflict is a big failure on their part and has promoted Anti-Semitism.

There is always some truth in any generalization and prejudice, and the Jews cannot accuse people of Anti-Semitism by continuing to butcher Palestinians.

Amazingly, with just 0.2% of the world's population, Jews constitute around 20% of total nobel laureates! Mostly in the sciences. Their contribution to science is gigantic and is actually a fertile field of research as to what makes them so good at it.
On the other hand the zionist policies in Israel are absoutely abhorrent. Many years ago I supervised a Palestinian trainee in my hospital who had been shot with a plastic bullet during an earlier intifada. The tales she told us were terrible.
 
Golden calves, Moses and his miracles are not gifts to this world and neither have they made any contribution to science and advancement. Keep religion out of this.

Perhaps this mindset - and this train of thought - is the reason why Muslims have made no positive contribution to science since the 14th century.

Totally irrelevant to my point.

You are a myth if you believe religion should be kept out of this, for one, they wouldn't be called Jews if it were not for religion, and for two, they are the chosen ones - but you would know all about this, right?

Religion is central to the topic of Jews - this is a fact. Without religion there would be no usury, no claim to Israel - the very essence why there is and will be, anti-semitisim.

Forget about the Jewish contribution to science, take a look at their contribution to humanity and its destruction because they believe they are the chosen ones. You can start with Balfour Declaration and the creation of Zionism.

This is not art; this is the Talmud.
 
Amazingly, with just 0.2% of the world's population, Jews constitute around 20% of total nobel laureates! Mostly in the sciences. Their contribution to science is gigantic and is actually a fertile field of research as to what makes them so good at it.
On the other hand the zionist policies in Israel are absoutely abhorrent. Many years ago I supervised a Palestinian trainee in my hospital who had been shot with a plastic bullet during an earlier intifada. The tales she told us were terrible.

Absolutely. Israel needs to understand that force and power is not the solution to Palestine, and it is actually hurting Israel as well because it costs them a lot of money. One can only imagine the impact they can make on the world without the Palestine issue holding them back.

Not to mention, they son several Nobel laureates when they were heavily discriminated, persecuted and didn’t even have a country of their own. They are incredibly smart and dedicated people and we should all be thankful for their existence. Without Jews, we would be at least 200-300 years behind now.
 
Yes folks, we should only pay heed to the contributions of scientists who are Nobel laureates spanning 150 years or so. Every scientist outside of this time frame is not relevant according to some.
 
Totally irrelevant to my point.

You are a myth if you believe religion should be kept out of this, for one, they wouldn't be called Jews if it were not for religion, and for two, they are the chosen ones - but you would know all about this, right?

Religion is central to the topic of Jews - this is a fact. Without religion there would be no usury, no claim to Israel - the very essence why there is and will be, anti-semitisim.

Forget about the Jewish contribution to science, take a look at their contribution to humanity and its destruction because they believe they are the chosen ones. You can start with Balfour Declaration and the creation of Zionism.

This is not art; this is the Talmud.

Zionism and the Palestine issue does not change the fact that Jews have contributed more to the advancement of this world than any other group. Simply put, the world will be a poor, poor place without them.
 
Absolutely. Israel needs to understand that force and power is not the solution to Palestine, and it is actually hurting Israel as well because it costs them a lot of money. One can only imagine the impact they can make on the world without the Palestine issue holding them back.

Not to mention, they son several Nobel laureates when they were heavily discriminated, persecuted and didn’t even have a country of their own. They are incredibly smart and dedicated people and we should all be thankful for their existence. Without Jews, we would be at least 200-300 years behind now.

Get a grip. Israel receives $38BILLION a year from USA in aid, yes AID. Look it up.

It does not cost them any money.

Israel's $38 billion defense aid package

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-38-billion-defense-aid-package-idUSKCN1GB2NQ

Do your homework.
 
Zionism and the Palestine issue does not change the fact that Jews have contributed more to the advancement of this world than any other group. Simply put, the world will be a poor, poor place without them.

The world is poor with them! Do you understand who controls the central banks and how interest on loans benefits those in power? Almost everyone in the West is in debt because of them!

However the point was that religion does play a role. So you can keep your Nobel 150 year time frame and ignore every scientists outside this scope!
 
The world is poor with them! Do you understand who controls the central banks and how interest on loans benefits those in power? Almost everyone in the West is in debt because of them!

However the point was that religion does play a role. So you can keep your Nobel 150 year time frame and ignore every scientists outside this scope!

If one particular group of people are a burden on this world, it’s us, the Muslims of the subcontinent. We are arguably the most useless group of people on this Earth.

Even during the Golden Age of Islam, we contributed nothing and now take pride in the contribution of Muslims of the Middle-East.

Yes the Jews control banking and they know how to make money, but that is because they are very smart and have been able to put themselves in a position where they are able to exercise control.

Let’s not hate them because we, the Muslims of subcontinent, do not have 1% of their capability.
 
If one particular group of people are a burden on this world, it’s us, the Muslims of the subcontinent. Even during the Golden Age of Islam, we contributed nothing and now take pride in the contribution of Muslims of the Middle-East.

Yes the Jews control banking and they know how to make money, but that is because they are very smart and have been able to put themselves in a position where they are able to exercise control.

Let’s not hate them because we, the Muslims of subcontinent, do not have 1% of their capability.

How can you say Golden Age of Islam, yet in the next breath claim Muslims did not contribute anything?

You are a wind up merchant! Next you will be claiming Islam did not contribute anything to art, no wait. I hear the hymn sheets in preparation!

Enjoy your evening!
 
How can you say Golden Age of Islam, yet in the next breath claim Muslims did not contribute anything?

You are a wind up merchant! Next you will be claiming Islam did not contribute anything to art, no wait. I hear the hymn sheets in preparation!

Enjoy your evening!

Learn to read. The Muslims of the Subcontinent did not contribute anything during the Islamic Golden age, because we are a very useless and incompetent group who are only good at coming up with conspiracies.
 
Learn to read. The Muslims of the Subcontinent did not contribute anything during the Islamic Golden age, because we are a very useless and incompetent group who are only good at coming up with conspiracies.

It is no conspiracy that Jews are involved in lending money because their faith does not forbid usury.

It helps of one reads, but then again you believe the status of Jews has nothing to do with Religion.

Anyway, good night!
 
Jews are not smarter than any other human beings.

Maybe having money and thus investing science and education has something to do with nobel prizes?

They need to solve the Palestine conflict. In a peaceful manner. Right now they are using their power to abusing Palestines and stealing more and more land from them. They are disliked by many. They have great power in USA and thus no one does anything about their abuse. However a point will come when the victim has nothing to lose and another big disaster might hit them. They need to be careful.
 
You are wasting your time. The fact he believes no one outside of the Muslim world hates Jews just goes to prove how powerful the brainwashing is.

Maybe he doesn't realize that Jews are the most persecuted people in humanity, and this before Islam was bestowed in the Middle East.

Ive read some strange statements but that one took the biscuit and cake!

Here's a view from a Jew regarding India. Hopefully the poster will learn something today.

India’s distaste for anti-Semitism began to erode in the early 20th century, however, especially among Hindu nationalists. Hindu nationalists —who believe that India ought to be a Hindu nation in population and character — warmly embraced fascist ideas. The RSS, a paramilitary Hindu nationalist group founded in 1925, modeled itself on contemporary European fascist movements. The Hindu Mahasabha, a Hindu nationalist organization founded in 1915, openly supported Nazism, including “Germany's crusade against the enemies of Aryan culture,” as a spokesman for the group put it in 1939.

A key appeal of Nazism for early Hindu nationalists was anti-Semitism, which Hindu nationalists saw as a useful model for how to demonize India’s Muslim minority. Muslims constituted 24 percent of the Indian population in 1941, and they comprise 14 percent of Indians today (the drop is explained by the Partition of Pakistan and its large Muslim population from India in 1947).

Traitorous like the Jews

Speaking in 1939 in Calcutta, V. D. Savarkar, the ideological godfather of Hindu nationalism, identified Indian Muslims as a potential traitorous people not to be trusted, “like the Jews in Germany.” In the same year, M. S. Golwalkar, an RSS leader, wrote that Germany’s “purging the country of the semitic Race - the Jews” was “a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.”

For decades, Hindu nationalists constituted a set of fringe organizations whose extreme ideas were rejected by the wider Indian public. In 1948, an RSS man, Nathuram Godse, assassinated Mahatma Gandhi, which sparked a brief ban on the group’s operations.

The RSS experienced a remarkable recovery in subsequent decades, however, transforming itself from an extremist association known for producing Gandhi’s killer into the leaders of independent India.

Today, Narendra Modi, who has had a lifelong association with the RSS, leads India as its prime minister.

Independent India has developed a strong appetite for aspects of fascism, including Nazi ideology. Hitler’s autobiography, Mein Kampf, has gone through countless editions in India and has been a bestseller in the country for decades. The work is especially popular among businessmen who see it as a self-help guide for how determination and strength can produce success. Indeed, I was once told by a gentleman in Bikaner: “Madam, you are a great leader like Hitler.” This was meant as a compliment.

The Indian fascination with Hitler is often explained away as having nothing to do with anti-Semitism. Some argue that Indians hardly learn about the Holocaust in school and that they are historically and emotionally distant from the darker sides of Nazism. Others point out that the Indian state enjoys robust relations with Israel.

In India, however, growing bigotry and close relations with Israel are hardly mutually exclusive. A prejudiced attitude against Muslims has served as a binding glue between Israel and India over the past decade or two. Hate crimes against numerous groups — including Muslims, Christians, Dalits, and anybody who eats beef — are on the rise in Modi’s India. Such trends are unsurprising given the Hindu nationalist propaganda espoused by Modi and his political party, the BJP.

Anti-Semitic attitudes are not a central storyline in this larger flowering of prejudice, but they are a readymade playbook of virulent hate that can be unleashed against foreign scholars. Academics, such as myself, often contradict Hindu nationalist claims about a pristine Hindu past, in which Muslims are seen as barbarous invaders, by arguing that many Muslims were embedded into the fabric of premodern Indian society. By virtue of our dedication to accuracy, scholars also shed unfavorable light on the origins of groups such as the RSS. Hindu nationalists lack the historical evidence to counter academic claims on scholarly grounds, and so they turn to one of their most finely-tuned weapons: identity-based attacks.

I have personally received dozens of anti-Semitic messages over the last few years from Hindu nationalists and those sympathetic to their cause. These ugly attacks use vicious anti-Semitic slurs, frequently invoke the Holocaust, and draw on crude anti-Semitic tropes such as that I am somehow pursuing my academic research for the money. Such language feeds on a wider global rise in anti-Semitism, including violent attacks on Jewish individuals and communities.

https://www.indiaabroad.com/opinion...cle_2c6b47be-e15a-11e8-b1f2-4b62626ebf78.html
 
Try to READ the the OP.

But heres a little help for your ignorance.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-worldwide-boils-over-at-pittsburgh-synagogue


It's a world issue.

Also as an Indian, perhaps you know something.



https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532

There will always be fringe elements in every country who are against Jews. I have met people from around the world and no one outside of Muslims hold any negative opinions on Jews.
 
Jews are not smarter than any other human beings.

Maybe having money and thus investing science and education has something to do with nobel prizes?

They need to solve the Palestine conflict. In a peaceful manner. Right now they are using their power to abusing Palestines and stealing more and more land from them. They are disliked by many. They have great power in USA and thus no one does anything about their abuse. However a point will come when the victim has nothing to lose and another big disaster might hit them. They need to be careful.

Israel is a Democratic country with over 2 million Arab Muslims living in that majority Jewish country. I see that the only way this issue can be resolved is if Palestinians and Jews combine to form a one nation.
 
There will always be fringe elements in every country who are against Jews. I have met people from around the world and no one outside of Muslims hold any negative opinions on Jews.

lol. You've met many people? Have you met even 1% of the worlds population?

I've just shown you news articles which show a rise in anti-Jew feelings in Europe. The same is the case for USA and other nations such as Austalia. Are you saying these writers are lying?
 
lol. You've met many people? Have you met even 1% of the worlds population?

I've just shown you news articles which show a rise in anti-Jew feelings in Europe. The same is the case for USA and other nations such as Austalia. Are you saying these writers are lying?

There was a white man recently who shot down 9 people in a synagogue.

So don't take such statement seriously.
 
Nobody outside of Islamic world think Jews are bad. Considering how much they contributed for modern science for their tiny population, they are in fact a gift to mankind.

This is a very narrow Hindutva view. In fact Jews have lots of haters outside the Islamic world, many even believe that members of the British opposition Labour party harbour prejudice against Jews. In fact, we could distil this even further by saying a lot of opposition is to the gift of the nation of Israel itself rather than Jews as a people.
 
It is no conspiracy that Jews are involved in lending money because their faith does not forbid usury.

It helps of one reads, but then again you believe the status of Jews has nothing to do with Religion.

Anyway, good night!

The Jews are controlling finance not because of Judaism but because they are hardworking, smart and manipulative.

When you are smart and hardworking, perhaps you deserve to manipulative as well, so I won’t use that to criticize them, since I have nothing but respect and admiration for their achievements.
 
This is a very narrow Hindutva view. In fact Jews have lots of haters outside the Islamic world, many even believe that members of the British opposition Labour party harbour prejudice against Jews. In fact, we could distil this even further by saying a lot of opposition is to the gift of the nation of Israel itself rather than Jews as a people.

There are Hindu haters, Sikh haters, Christian haters .... etc all over the world. They are still a minority. But if you go to a Muslim country and ask about Jews, you will get overwhelming majority negative view of Jews.
 
There was a white man recently who shot down 9 people in a synagogue.

So don't take such statement seriously.

Yes that was tragic. I remember watching the news and a local Muslim imam was very close to the Rabbi of the Synagogue and the Rabbi said how much he appreciated the Muslim community helping them.
 
The Jews are controlling finance not because of Judaism but because they are hardworking, smart and manipulative.

When you are smart and hardworking, perhaps you deserve to manipulative as well, so I won’t use that to criticize them, since I have nothing but respect and admiration for their achievements.

Agreed. Jews are smart and hardworking. Where ever they go, they not only survive, but they thrive. Haters cannot digest that fact.
 
There are Hindu haters, Sikh haters, Christian haters .... etc all over the world. They are still a minority. But if you go to a Muslim country and ask about Jews, you will get overwhelming majority negative view of Jews.

Do you have a passport? Just wondering.

Most of the negative views in the Muslim world are related to the Palestine issue.

However go visit a Christian country, they despise the Jews more than Muslims do. Do you now why? It's not political, but because the Jewish killed Jesus.
 
lol. You've met many people? Have you met even 1% of the worlds population?

I've just shown you news articles which show a rise in anti-Jew feelings in Europe. The same is the case for USA and other nations such as Austalia. Are you saying these writers are lying?

My sample is extremely super small. But when you go out and talk to them during happy hours and parties, you get the general vibe from them that they do not hate Jews.

Another thing I observed is, Jews and Christians in US intermarry. Jews are well integrated community. My boss is a Jewish Lady and I never knew she was Jewish until she mentioned it on one occasion. Her name sounds very English and she celebrates Christmas and Easter.
 
My sample is extremely super small. But when you go out and talk to them during happy hours and parties, you get the general vibe from them that they do not hate Jews.

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HAHAHAHA. That's because if they speak their mind they will be accused of anti-semitisim!

Remember, if you want to know who controls you, then look no further than who you cannot criticize!
 
HAHAHAHA. That's because if they speak their mind they will be accused of anti-semitisim!

Remember, if you want to know who controls you, then look no further than who you cannot criticize!

Many of them are very close friends of mine. They speak their mind as we are very close.

I have seen a few them spew venom against Muslims which I cannot mention. I was shocked that they could even say that. But nothing against Jews.
 
Yes folks, we should only pay heed to the contributions of scientists who are Nobel laureates spanning 150 years or so. Every scientist outside of this time frame is not relevant according to some.

A childish attempt at diversion - nowhere has anybody stated that earlier scientists don't matter. It's just that the Nobel sets an universally recognised standard and we know who exactly they were as well as their contributions. They are thus easy to count. And there were jewish scientists in the 19th century who of course could not get a Nobel. BTW, Nobels have been awarded for 118 years, not 150. Please try to keep track.
Within that time frame why is it that a group with over 20% of the world population have produced just 12 nobel laureates? And of these, just 3 in science (7 Peace prizes).
 
My sample is extremely super small. But when you go out and talk to them during happy hours and parties, you get the general vibe from them that they do not hate Jews.

Another thing I observed is, Jews and Christians in US intermarry. Jews are well integrated community. My boss is a Jewish Lady and I never knew she was Jewish until she mentioned it on one occasion. Her name sounds very English and she celebrates Christmas and Easter.

It means nothing what you have personally observed. The rise of anti Jew feelings is very real and across westerned world.

Why do you think these people who are mostly non-Mulsims have anti - Jew feelings?
 
A childish attempt at diversion - nowhere has anybody stated that earlier scientists don't matter. It's just that the Nobel sets an universally recognised standard and we know who exactly they were as well as their contributions. They are thus easy to count. And there were jewish scientists in the 19th century who of course could not get a Nobel. BTW, Nobels have been awarded for 118 years, not 150. Please try to keep track.
Within that time frame why is it that a group with over 20% of the world population have produced just 12 nobel laureates? And of these, just 3 in science (7 Peace prizes).

Say I take your argument as correct. Now please explain why Jews are hated by many around the world and the rist of anti-Jewish feelings in Europe, USA and Australia?
 
There are Hindu haters, Sikh haters, Christian haters .... etc all over the world. They are still a minority. But if you go to a Muslim country and ask about Jews, you will get overwhelming majority negative view of Jews.

I think you should be careful of sweeping generalisations, would be like saying if you go to a majority Hindu country you will get an overwhelming negative view about Muslims.
 
Many of them are very close friends of mine. They speak their mind as we are very close.

I have seen a few them spew venom against Muslims which I cannot mention. I was shocked that they could even say that. But nothing against Jews.

This is simply because it is fashion to criticize Muslims these days, just like it was fashion to criticize Jews in the 1930s.
 
A childish attempt at diversion - nowhere has anybody stated that earlier scientists don't matter. It's just that the Nobel sets an universally recognised standard and we know who exactly they were as well as their contributions. They are thus easy to count. And there were jewish scientists in the 19th century who of course could not get a Nobel. BTW, Nobels have been awarded for 118 years, not 150. Please try to keep track.
Within that time frame why is it that a group with over 20% of the world population have produced just 12 nobel laureates? And of these, just 3 in science (7 Peace prizes).

My bad, you cling to 118 years of scientific work and exclude scientists outside this scope.

Einstein, Newton, Hawkings, Tesla, never won Nobel prizes for their influential work. I guess this means they made zero contribution according to your 118 year time frame.

How sad it must be to confine scientific contributions to 118 years, and an award, in your warped and narrow minded world.
 
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My bad, you cling to 118 years of scientific work and exclude scientists outside this scope.

Einstein, Newton, Hawkings, Tesla, never won Nobel prizes for their influential work. I guess this means they made zero contribution according to your 118 year time frame.

How sad it must be to confine scientific contributions to 118 years, and an award, in your warped and narrow minded world.

Same problem. You fail to read what others write and make assumptions. NOBODY is excluding earlier scientific work. Just stating that Nobels make an objective field of assessment since 1901. And during this time the Jewish contribution to science is remarkable and unmatched by any other social/religious group of their size.

Just how poorly informed are you that you don't seem to know that Einstein was both JEWISH and a NOBEL prize winner?

And Newton of course was long before Mr Nobel created the awards; as was my own favorite scientist, the man who was responsible for the greatest idea any human has ever had - Evolution by means of natural selection.
As for Hawkins or Tesla - of course there have been people who have been overlooked. One of the most egregious was a man called Satyen Bose - a man who formulated the Bose-Einstein equations describing the behaviour of fundamental particles. He had a group of subatomic particles - Bosons - named after him but did not get a Nobel. Life is tough.
Still does not explain why a religion with more than 20% of the world population has 12 nobels while one with 0.2% has nearly 200 laureates.
 
Same problem. You fail to read what others write and make assumptions. NOBODY is excluding earlier scientific work. Just stating that Nobels make an objective field of assessment since 1901. And during this time the Jewish contribution to science is remarkable and unmatched by any other social/religious group of their size.

Just how poorly informed are you that you don't seem to know that Einstein was both JEWISH and a NOBEL prize winner?

And Newton of course was long before Mr Nobel created the awards; as was my own favorite scientist, the man who was responsible for the greatest idea any human has ever had - Evolution by means of natural selection.
As for Hawkins or Tesla - of course there have been people who have been overlooked. One of the most egregious was a man called Satyen Bose - a man who formulated the Bose-Einstein equations describing the behaviour of fundamental particles. He had a group of subatomic particles - Bosons - named after him but did not get a Nobel. Life is tough.
Still does not explain why a religion with more than 20% of the world population has 12 nobels while one with 0.2% has nearly 200 laureates.
I back what you said. But the same can be said for Hindus as well. Not many hindus have won noble prizes. There is a very small percentage even though Hinduism is the third largest religion.
 
I back what you said. But the same can be said for Hindus as well. Not many hindus have won noble prizes. There is a very small percentage even though Hinduism is the third largest religion.

Nobel*
 
Zionists who created Israel, inevitably bought anti-semitism to the forefront. It made it an us vs them thing, and this benifits them greatly.
 
Same problem. You fail to read what others write and make assumptions. NOBODY is excluding earlier scientific work. Just stating that Nobels make an objective field of assessment since 1901. And during this time the Jewish contribution to science is remarkable and unmatched by any other social/religious group of their size.

Just how poorly informed are you that you don't seem to know that Einstein was both JEWISH and a NOBEL prize winner?

And Newton of course was long before Mr Nobel created the awards; as was my own favorite scientist, the man who was responsible for the greatest idea any human has ever had - Evolution by means of natural selection.
As for Hawkins or Tesla - of course there have been people who have been overlooked. One of the most egregious was a man called Satyen Bose - a man who formulated the Bose-Einstein equations describing the behaviour of fundamental particles. He had a group of subatomic particles - Bosons - named after him but did not get a Nobel. Life is tough.
Still does not explain why a religion with more than 20% of the world population has 12 nobels while one with 0.2% has nearly 200 laureates.

You still haven't answered the question of the OP. If Jews are so succesful why is there a rise in antisemitism in Europe and America?
 
Defamation. A great documentary about anti-semitism and why it continues to exist today. Highly recommend everyone who is interested in the topic.
 
Learn to read. The Muslims of the Subcontinent did not contribute anything during the Islamic Golden age, because we are a very useless and incompetent group who are only good at coming up with conspiracies.

People of subcontinent in general are very useless in terms of contribution and has been the case throughout history for the most part
 
Such is the power and brainwashing that criticism of Israeli policies is considered Anti-semetic.

The fact is, it's not just Muslims whom question the motives of the Jews.

A discussion around whether the actions of the State of Israel have led to a rise in Antisemitism around the world is well worth having.

I also think it’s important that the differences between Antisemitism and Antizionism are clearly defined. Antisemitic people unfortunately sometimes use Antizionism as a cover; and equally on the other side, a more genuine and carefully articulated Antizionist message is sometimes shut down by cries of “Antisemite! Antisemitism!” This is wrong.

But you are disturbingly unique in this thread so far, in that you have used it as an excuse to roll out pretty much every classic Antisemitic trope in the book:

- Jews control the banks.
- Jews are loan sharks and pickpockets.
- Jews generally are motivated by the continuously greater accumulation of wealth and monies.
- Jews control what is and is not acceptable language.
- Jews pull the strings on the international stage to cause wars.
- Jews use sympathy and victimhood as a tool to advance their collective interests.
- Jews have brainwashed the human race through a long-term and methodical manipulation of the public discourse.
- Basically, Jews control the world.
- Yes really, a comparatively tiny community of 14 million men, women & children that nearly got destroyed by genocide a couple of generations ago successfully control a world of 7.2 billion other people.

- FDR applied the brakes to the Zionist project, and suddenly FDR ended up disabled and then dead.
- Jews and the Jewish diaspora are the same thing as the State of Israel.
- Jewish deicide: the Jews killed Jesus. (Yes, you believe that a Jewish man who was sentenced to death in the Roman province of Judea was exclusively killed by Jews.)

You are seemingly going for the complete collection of Antisemitic canards here. All you need to include now is some Holocaust Denial, then a robust defence of the discredited text The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, followed by repeating the longstanding claims that Jews poisoned wells and drank the blood of children in their underground rituals, and your full set will be complete.

A number of your comments in this (entirely public) thread have bordered on religiously motivated hate speech, which on a U.K.-based website leaves you on very thin ice indeed.

In this thread you have repeatedly sent other people away to go and “educate themselves”. And yet you apparently did not know that Einstein was Jewish.

I would encourage you to take a step back and educate yourself on two things initially:

1. The many rebuttals, counter-testimonies and counter-evidences that are out there which will strongly challenge every drop of Antisemitic sewage that has been streaming from your keyboard up to now;
2. The massive upset and offence that could be caused to many decent Jewish people by your promotion of these age-old tired Antisemitic tropes.
 
A discussion around whether the actions of the State of Israel have led to a rise in Antisemitism around the world is well worth having.

I also think it’s important that the differences between Antisemitism and Antizionism are clearly defined. Antisemitic people unfortunately sometimes use Antizionism as a cover; and equally on the other side, a more genuine and carefully articulated Antizionist message is sometimes shut down by cries of “Antisemite! Antisemitism!” This is wrong.

But you are disturbingly unique in this thread so far, in that you have used it as an excuse to roll out pretty much every classic Antisemitic trope in the book:

- Jews control the banks.
- Jews are loan sharks and pickpockets.
- Jews generally are motivated by the continuously greater accumulation of wealth and monies.
- Jews control what is and is not acceptable language.
- Jews pull the strings on the international stage to cause wars.
- Jews use sympathy and victimhood as a tool to advance their collective interests.
- Jews have brainwashed the human race through a long-term and methodical manipulation of the public discourse.
- Basically, Jews control the world.
- Yes really, a comparatively tiny community of 14 million men, women & children that nearly got destroyed by genocide a couple of generations ago successfully control a world of 7.2 billion other people.

- FDR applied the brakes to the Zionist project, and suddenly FDR ended up disabled and then dead.
- Jews and the Jewish diaspora are the same thing as the State of Israel.
- Jewish deicide: the Jews killed Jesus. (Yes, you believe that a Jewish man who was sentenced to death in the Roman province of Judea was exclusively killed by Jews.)

You are seemingly going for the complete collection of Antisemitic canards here. All you need to include now is some Holocaust Denial, then a robust defence of the discredited text The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, followed by repeating the longstanding claims that Jews poisoned wells and drank the blood of children in their underground rituals, and your full set will be complete.

A number of your comments in this (entirely public) thread have bordered on religiously motivated hate speech, which on a U.K.-based website leaves you on very thin ice indeed.

In this thread you have repeatedly sent other people away to go and “educate themselves”. And yet you apparently did not know that Einstein was Jewish.

I would encourage you to take a step back and educate yourself on two things initially:

1. The many rebuttals, counter-testimonies and counter-evidences that are out there which will strongly challenge every drop of Antisemitic sewage that has been streaming from your keyboard up to now;
2. The massive upset and offence that could be caused to many decent Jewish people by your promotion of these age-old tired Antisemitic tropes.

According to some the Jews are the cause of all the world’s problems. These people are no different to the anti Muslim bigots who say the same about the Muslim community.
 
Golden calves, Moses and his miracles are not gifts to this world and neither have they made any contribution to science and advancement. Keep religion out of this.

Lol coming from a muslim, this is bordering blasphemy.
 
Zionism should be criticised as being an apartheid, expansionist ideology.

Anti- Zionism is not anti-semitism.

Interestingly, Right wing Zionists (Jews or otherwise) want Anti-semitism and anti-zionism to be recognised as the same thing.
 
Lol coming from a muslim, this is bordering blasphemy.

Religion is a matter of faith. It does benefit the society on the whole, but one can argue that religion has done more harm than good.

Anyway, it certainly hasn’t contributed anything to science and the advancement of this world.
 
Learn to read. The Muslims of the Subcontinent did not contribute anything during the Islamic Golden age, because we are a very useless and incompetent group who are only good at coming up with conspiracies.

Islam was a minority religion during that time in the subcontinent.
 
A discussion around whether the actions of the State of Israel have led to a rise in Antisemitism around the world is well worth having.

I also think it’s important that the differences between Antisemitism and Antizionism are clearly defined. Antisemitic people unfortunately sometimes use Antizionism as a cover; and equally on the other side, a more genuine and carefully articulated Antizionist message is sometimes shut down by cries of “Antisemite! Antisemitism!” This is wrong.

But you are disturbingly unique in this thread so far, in that you have used it as an excuse to roll out pretty much every classic Antisemitic trope in the book:

- Jews control the banks.
- Jews are loan sharks and pickpockets.
- Jews generally are motivated by the continuously greater accumulation of wealth and monies.
- Jews control what is and is not acceptable language.
- Jews pull the strings on the international stage to cause wars.
- Jews use sympathy and victimhood as a tool to advance their collective interests.
- Jews have brainwashed the human race through a long-term and methodical manipulation of the public discourse.
- Basically, Jews control the world.
- Yes really, a comparatively tiny community of 14 million men, women & children that nearly got destroyed by genocide a couple of generations ago successfully control a world of 7.2 billion other people.

- FDR applied the brakes to the Zionist project, and suddenly FDR ended up disabled and then dead.
- Jews and the Jewish diaspora are the same thing as the State of Israel.
- Jewish deicide: the Jews killed Jesus. (Yes, you believe that a Jewish man who was sentenced to death in the Roman province of Judea was exclusively killed by Jews.)

You are seemingly going for the complete collection of Antisemitic canards here. All you need to include now is some Holocaust Denial, then a robust defence of the discredited text The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, followed by repeating the longstanding claims that Jews poisoned wells and drank the blood of children in their underground rituals, and your full set will be complete.

A number of your comments in this (entirely public) thread have bordered on religiously motivated hate speech, which on a U.K.-based website leaves you on very thin ice indeed.

In this thread you have repeatedly sent other people away to go and “educate themselves”. And yet you apparently did not know that Einstein was Jewish.

I would encourage you to take a step back and educate yourself on two things initially:

1. The many rebuttals, counter-testimonies and counter-evidences that are out there which will strongly challenge every drop of Antisemitic sewage that has been streaming from your keyboard up to now;
2. The massive upset and offence that could be caused to many decent Jewish people by your promotion of these age-old tired Antisemitic tropes.

Why should my comments considered thin ice? Doesn't this accusation highlight the very essence of the problem? In the UK I am free to critisize who I want, but when it comes to the Jews, I'm bordering hate speech and am antisemitic?

I suggest you read the Balflour declaration, Benjamin Friedman's speech, and a best seller called - The creature from Jeykyll island (an insight on how central banking was created).

Your argument of how 14 million can control the world is weak. Positions of power matter, not the number.

Nothing I have said is unsubstantiated. Happy to provide evidence.

Yes people should educate themselves instead of accepting the status quo.
 
Ex CIA operative blames Israel policies for America's failed foreign policies. Then we wonder why antisemitism is on the rise.

[Utube]XHl1JnQoIWQ[/utube]

So to answer the OP, yes they are to blame, not all of them. Orthodox jew reject Zionism.
 
There was anti semitism much before israel existed, but creation of israel has added justification to it.
 
Why should my comments considered thin ice? Doesn't this accusation highlight the very essence of the problem? In the UK I am free to critisize who I want, but when it comes to the Jews, I'm bordering hate speech and am antisemitic?

I suggest you read the Balflour declaration, Benjamin Friedman's speech, and a best seller called - The creature from Jeykyll island (an insight on how central banking was created).

Your argument of how 14 million can control the world is weak. Positions of power matter, not the number.

Nothing I have said is unsubstantiated. Happy to provide evidence.

Yes people should educate themselves instead of accepting the status quo.

But you are bordering on hate speech because you are using ** religious nonsense, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and Israeli policies as the reasons for Jews being evil people.

Religious nonsense has nothing to do with people, Hindus believe cow has 33 crore gods in it, Christian's think the world was created in 6 days, Quran I am pretty goes all Bollywood with atleast a few bible stories just changing names. These beliefs have little to do with people who are alive today, if you wish to call someone evil on basis of what any religious text says you are the problem not them.

Conspiracy theories are called conspiracy theories for a reason, a book or a speech don't change that. FDR died due to a hemorrhage, no actual real evidence refutes that. Jews might have been Europe's moneylenders but to say that they somehow control the world is **, and again books by people that suffer the same delusion as you do do not make your delusions real. Because by that logic Hogwarts, mountdoom and death star are all real things, because books and movies clearly say so. So again you are spreading false narratives against a group of people.

Policies of Israel are not policies of Jews, there are 8mn Jews who don't live in isreal, to call them evil people who are destroying the world because of Israel's policies just shows your hate for Jews.

Sure Israel uses the garb of anti semitism anytime someone criticizes them but it is different when you criticize Israel and criticize Jews. You aren't criticizing Israel here you are castigating Jews, you have called jews and not Israel evil.
 
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Religion is a matter of faith. It does benefit the society on the whole, but one can argue that religion has done more harm than good.

Anyway, it certainly hasn’t contributed anything to science and the advancement of this world.

With all respect: The problem with guys like you, who have got some education and start thinking they are the smartest guys on earth is that you people forget that the brain you have got is from Allah SWT. If He wants he can take away the little braincells in a flash and you’ll sit there as a cucumber.

And the same Allah SWT who is free from all mistakes has chosen a certain religion for us, so what you also need to understand is that religion itself is pure, it is the people who has misused it. Religion has not done any harm, the humans have done it. Only ignorant people will blame the religion Islam itself.

And when you accept Islam as your religion, you follow Allah’s commands and also be very careful of what you say about Allah’s messangers (for instances Moses (pbuh)). Just a piece of advice.
 
There are estimated over 1.5 billion Muslims. If say even 2% do bad things, people lay the blame at Muslims.

Yet there are nearly 50% of the world Jews living in Israel. A nation which illegaly occupies land and a nation which kills people reguarly including children in the open.

Jews in Israel and other parts of the world also justify this , yet Muslims are told to apologise or speak louder.

So surely Jews are to blame if Muslims are, much more so by such logic?

Very good points!

Where is mening?
 
Religion is a matter of faith. It does benefit the society on the whole, but one can argue that religion has done more harm than good.

Anyway, it certainly hasn’t contributed anything to science and the advancement of this world.

I was talking about the part where you said Moses and his miracles are not a gift to humanity. That comment is at the very least uncalled for and at the most it is an insult (some might say it is borderline blasphemy) to your own religion depending upon how seriously one takes religion.

Secondly, religion might have done more harm than good but how is it more dangerous than unregulated technological advancements coupled with ideologies like capitalism which have brought the world to the cusp of global disasters and have become a threat to the very existence of all forms of life? Every ideology, every action can be linked to problems that humans are facing, depends on the way you spin it.
 
With all respect: The problem with guys like you, who have got some education and start thinking they are the smartest guys on earth is that you people forget that the brain you have got is from Allah SWT. If He wants he can take away the little braincells in a flash and you’ll sit there as a cucumber.

And the same Allah SWT who is free from all mistakes has chosen a certain religion for us, so what you also need to understand is that religion itself is pure, it is the people who has misused it. Religion has not done any harm, the humans have done it. Only ignorant people will blame the religion Islam itself.

And when you accept Islam as your religion, you follow Allah’s commands and also be very careful of what you say about Allah’s messangers (for instances Moses (pbuh)). Just a piece of advice.

I was talking about the part where you said Moses and his miracles are not a gift to humanity. That comment is at the very least uncalled for and at the most it is an insult (some might say it is borderline blasphemy) to your own religion depending upon how seriously one takes religion.

Secondly, religion might have done more harm than good but how is it more dangerous than unregulated technological advancements coupled with ideologies like capitalism which have brought the world to the cusp of global disasters and have become a threat to the very existence of all forms of life? Every ideology, every action can be linked to problems that humans are facing, depends on the way you spin it.

My intention was not to disrespect any prophet or religion. My point is/was that the achievements of the Jews and their contribution to science cannot be cancelled out because they worshipped a golden calf when Moses left them to meet God. That is as ludicrous an argument as anyone can make to downplay Jews.
 
I don't know why anyone would want to downplay Jewish achievements anyway, they have done well wherever they have gone, and in fact have many similar values to Pakistanis, Indians and Arabs for that matter. The main point of contention for the last century has been the stealing of land and wiping Palestine off the map so Jews from every part of the world could take their place.

Still that doesn't excuse anti-Semitism, and you can bet that if the Muslims were evicted from Europe, then the attention would fall on Hindus or Jews. The far right movements which object to mosques would just as soon start demanding the dismantling of temples and synagogues.
 
You still haven't answered the question of the OP. If Jews are so succesful why is there a rise in antisemitism in Europe and America?

If you crave a simple answer to an enormously challenging question, then it is this -

The (formerly so called) local working classes of caucasian origin in these countries no longer have the jobs, earning or economic security that they became accustomed to since WW2. In the last 20 - 25 years the knowledge economy has passed them by & left them marooned. They are looking for someone to blame - other than themselves.
This has given a wonderful opportunity to all sorts of demagogues, major & minor who can spin a largely right-wing narrative of "outsiders" coming in to take away their jobs, traditions & lifestyle. These outsiders could be anybody who is handy - Mexicans/Latinos in US, Sub-saharan Africans in France, Turks in germany, any one of numerous groups in UK (including, hilariously, Polish handymen, Romanian fruit pickers etc). And of course - dare I say it on this site - Muslims.
But the ORIGINAL outsider, ever since the early middle-ages , have been the Jews. So they are not immune, indeed far from it - in this general wave of hatred for the "other" that is being fomented by dishonest politicians, so called leaders & frankly criminal right-wing demagogues everywhere.
So there's my theory. Largely I also believe that this wave has led to Brexit, Trump, Modi. Who knows what's to come yet?
 
I back what you said. But the same can be said for Hindus as well. Not many hindus have won noble prizes. There is a very small percentage even though Hinduism is the third largest religion.

Agree. Large portions of the world did not develop a scientific outlook until late in the 20th century and failed to develop the institutions that do work of the standard required for a Nobel. So the overwhelming majority of science nobels went to the western world. Some of the others (Japan, China, S Korea) have now caught up and we will see more and ore going to those places.
Is there a correlation between deep religious beliefs in a people or nation & non-development of good scientific institutions or is it just money?

The Jewish people appear to have balanced their belief systems with the requirements of a scientific outlook & succeeded wildly in all scientific fields.
BTW, I am not Jewish, Moslem, Christian or Hindu.
 
Agree. Large portions of the world did not develop a scientific outlook until late in the 20th century and failed to develop the institutions that do work of the standard required for a Nobel. So the overwhelming majority of science nobels went to the western world. Some of the others (Japan, China, S Korea) have now caught up and we will see more and ore going to those places.
Is there a correlation between deep religious beliefs in a people or nation & non-development of good scientific institutions or is it just money?

The Jewish people appear to have balanced their belief systems with the requirements of a scientific outlook & succeeded wildly in all scientific fields.
BTW, I am not Jewish, Moslem, Christian or Hindu.

Most hindus don't mind criticising their religion. Some don't even call Hinduism "A religion". So they are less likely to be biased when doing research but still there are not many hindu Nobel prize winners. This shows that money is a big factor. Maybe the hindu scientists can't afford the same equipment as the people from the west which means that less nobel prize worthy discoveries are made.
 
They are to an extent.

Palestine, extremist Rabbis, racial/religious superiority. Jewish extremism is localised to (mainly) one area, whereas Muslim extremism is more wide spread so maybe that contributes to anti-Muslim sentiment more?

Though, I will say that there is a huge problem of anti-Semitism in Muslim communities (and in fundamental Christian communities too). It is obvious by some of the posters on this thread and on the forum.
 
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