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Kiwior is more than good enough to be a backup. He has very good raw ingredients and he will develop well under Arteta.

A player like him could easily end up at BVB and become one of the most sought after young players in Europe.

He was excellent against Germany few days back. He is very highly rated in Poland and is very similar to BVB’s Schlotterbeck who is considered to be one of the most promising young defenders in Germany.

Kiwor did very well vs Germany a few days ago?

Who played upfront for German in that game? Interested to know 🤭😉

Has kiwor let the Germany striker out of his pocket yet?
 
Kiwior is more than good enough to be a backup. He has very good raw ingredients and he will develop well under Arteta.

A player like him could easily end up at BVB and become one of the most sought after young players in Europe.

He was excellent against Germany few days back. He is very highly rated in Poland and is very similar to BVB’s Schlotterbeck who is considered to be one of the most promising young defenders in Germany.

Unless kiwor bulks up or grows a pair he will get bullied like he did vs sporting Lisbon and Brighton. Technically he look alright, but if your going down rubbing your leg in middle of the game when opposition is on attack just shows a bottlers mentality.
 
It is very clear what is going on and what happened over the last couple of weeks.

Arsenal put a price on Rice which was below what West Ham is asking for. Arsenal did not panic because they knew the hold the cards in this transfer since Rice has already agreed personal terms and wants to join Arsenal.

West Ham, hoping to raise the price, twerked to City to start a bidding war.

City doesn’t need Rice. They have never looked at his as their primary target this summer. However, when a player of his quality is offered to you and you have the financial resources, you will obviously be interested in exploring the possibility of signing him.

City held talks with West Ham and Rice’s representatives. This is when the news broke out in the media that City will make a bid for him and Arsenal are also preparing a third bid.

Arsenal did not panic and rush with the third bid because they are aware that Rice’s preferences remains Arsenal in spite of talks with City.

Can Man City offer exactly what West Ham is asking for and offer Rice twice the wages Arsenal have, and influence his decision? Sure they can, but will they? No, and this is what fans fail to understand.

Every club puts a price on a player. There is a maximum limit to which they will go. It is already decided before they make a bid. If the other club is not willing to do business within that amount, they will simply walk away.

People harp about the Mudryk transfer and Arsenal not paying Shakhtar what they were asking for need to understand that for Arsenal, Mudryk was not the worth the money Shakhtar was demanding.

On the contrary, Chelsea valued him at that price and Arsenal walked away.

This is exactly what happened with the Cucurella transfer. Man City were not willing to pay the £60m that Brighton were demanding and they walked away from the deal and Chelsea signed him.

Man City did not walk away because they couldn’t afford to pay the amount or they couldn’t get into a bidding war with Chelsea. They walked away because they didn’t value the player at that price.

Fans don’t understand this. They don’t realize that it’s not just the selling club that puts a price on the player; it is also the buying club, and they would not go beyond their valuation of the player regardless of how badly they want him.

Fell asleep after 1st sentence 😴, are all your essays 5,000 words? 🤣
 
Brighton are after Mohammed Kudus and Arsenal getting havertz in, wish Arsenal had Brightons scouts and recruitment team. They have way better talent ID selection
 
Please refresh your memory. Google is your friend.

Liverpool were 10 points clear of City after match week 20. City were third at the time.

If you blow up a 10 point lead with 18 games to go, it is a bottlejob. There is no argument.

It doesn’t matter if Liverpool won all their last 10 games. The fact is that they had a 10 point lead over City with 18 games to go and they messed it up.

A classic bottlejob.

In fact, let me save some time.

https://talksport.com/football/505423/premier-league-title-race-liverpool-manchester-city/amp/

You should apply for the PDM minister of information. :)))

How many game were left and how many points clear were Arsenal before they played LFC at Anfield? If you think LFC bottled it , Arsenal must have blown the bottle top off to space. But you think Arsenal didnt, in fact you still believed your team would take the title when even a schoolboy knew they were blowing it.

Meanwhile :wenger

Arsenal line up Declan Rice transfer alternative after West Ham reject three bids

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-declan-rice-youssouf-fofana-30324309
 
You should apply for the PDM minister of information. :)))

How many game were left and how many points clear were Arsenal before they played LFC at Anfield? If you think LFC bottled it , Arsenal must have blown the bottle top off to space. But you think Arsenal didnt, in fact you still believed your team would take the title when even a schoolboy knew they were blowing it.

You can find comfort in your belief that Arsenal bottled the league last season. However, that won’t change history and that won’t change the reality of Liverpool blowing a 10 point lead in 2018-19 with their greatest ever side in the PL era and their greatest ever manager.


Fake news.

Daily Mirror is the only outlet that has reported that Arsenal’s third bid was rejected because the third bid has not been submitted yet. The so-called journalist who wrote the Daily Mirror piece has no clue.

In spite of all the noise last week about City making an offer and Arsenal submitted their third bid, everything has gone quiet over the last 5 days for a reason - City is reluctant to bid because Rice prefers Arsenal, and Arsenal is working with West Ham behind closed doors on an agreement.

West Ham was directly leaking stuff to the media to pure pressure on Arsenal and create a bidding war. Rice was offered to City but West Ham’s tactics failed when Rice’s position remained unchanged, i.e. he wants to play for Arsenal.

Since then, there has been pin drop silence with clowns like Romano recycling the same story and others like Daily Mirror making up stuff.

The most reliable source for Arsenal related transfer news is David Ornstein because unlike Romano, he is not on any agents payroll and has actual contacts within Arsenal.

He hasn’t said a word on this story in the last 4 days because it is being handled behind closed doors with nothing leaked to the media.

The next major update in this story would be West Ham officially accepting Arsenal’s offer. Hopefully it happens within the next couple of weeks. It is a matter of when not if.
 
Kiwor did very well vs Germany a few days ago?

Who played upfront for German in that game? Interested to know 🤭😉

Has kiwor let the Germany striker out of his pocket yet?

Germany played a 3-4-2-1 formation with Havertz as the lone striker upfront. This is how Chelsea try to utilize him as well and it didn’t work. He is not a striker.

Arteta will bring the best out of him and teach Chelsea and Germany how to unlock his real potential.
 
Fell asleep after 1st sentence 😴, are all your essays 5,000 words? 🤣

I know you don’t know how to write properly, but you need to develop your capacity to read long posts. If you don’t have the attention span, please stick to Twitter.

I would recommend reading my posts because you might learn a thing or two about writing.
 
You can find comfort in your belief that Arsenal bottled the league last season. However, that won’t change history and that won’t change the reality of Liverpool blowing a 10 point lead in 2018-19 with their greatest ever side in the PL era and their greatest ever manager.



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Understand your logic, LFC bottled it with almost HALF of the season left but Arsenal DIDNT with single digit matches remaining. Keep exposing your poor understanding of the beautiful game.
 
Germany played a 3-4-2-1 formation with Havertz as the lone striker upfront. This is how Chelsea try to utilize him as well and it didn’t work. He is not a striker.

Arteta will bring the best out of him and teach Chelsea and Germany how to unlock his real potential.

🤣🤣 I knew the excuses would come. So "world class" havertz as you called him Fell in kiwors pocket.

Defending yet another lame excuse from a flop.
 
Understand your logic, LFC bottled it with almost HALF of the season left but Arsenal DIDNT with single digit matches remaining. Keep exposing your poor understanding of the beautiful game.

QOTW nomination here.
 
I know you don’t know how to write properly, but you need to develop your capacity to read long posts. If you don’t have the attention span, please stick to Twitter.

I would recommend reading my posts because you might learn a thing or two about writing.

I don't need to learn of the copy and paste master, it's just re-word rubbish with same pointless logic which is always wrong
 
Liverpool never bottled it. Only Arsenal. It's a shame because Arteta nearly pulled off something extraordinary. Was shocked by the sheer quality of football on display for 90% of the season. I wanted him sacked season before. I can't believe people can notice witness the improvement from simply watching.

Arsenal bottled it because they are a young team, and have not won the premier league for 20 years. Man City are used to winning. Same how Man City bottled champions league in the past, and Chelsea won the CL against Man City, despite fielding a far inferior team. Winning the first time is the hardest, after that it becomes easier.

Arsenal are banking on youth talent, hoping they'll continue to improve. Yes you can try to bring in experienced winners like Jesus and Zinchenko, but they aren't the heart of Man City, more fringe players. Guys like Gundogan, Silva, De Bruyne, I can't see Man City giving them to Arsenal. You can take winners from other leagues, like what Man United have done, but no guarantee they'll win in the premier league. And given the stranglehold Man City, they hold most of the winners, with Liverpool having a few. And neither team is going to offload to Arsenal in their prime.

There's been a clear directive to buy up the youth talent with experience at big clubs. Which is why I'm not surprised at Havertz, despite my doubts about him. He was still one of the most sought after talents before Chelsea with a Champions League medal. Arteta is taking a risk on him. Odegaard a lot didn't rate, but now is doing great, Real Madrid probably regret letting him go. Jesus, Zinchenko again fairly young, but already won premier leagues from Man City.

If Arsenal can get Rice and with Havertz, I think that's probably enough with a few cheap signings. Just go again, hoping the young players will continue to improve. A Striker would be nice, but struggle to think of many proven options that wouldn't be an obscene amount of money. They way Arteta plays, it's difficult to incorporate an out and out striker. Even Pep had issues fitting in Haaland initially. Teams just don't play around strikers anymore. Part of the reason why Chelsea have been struggling so much too. The only one available with premier league experience, pretty adaptable, who would probably be a sure bet is Kane, and he wouldn't go to Arsenal.
 
Liverpool never bottled it. Only Arsenal.

Surrendering a 10 point lead with 18 games to go while having a manager like Klopp and players like Salah, Mane, VVD, Alisson, Trent, Fabinho, Firmino etc. was a classic bottle job. There is no other way of describing it.

The reason why it doesn’t get enough attention is because they won the UCL that season and walked the league the season after. However, there is no absolutely no excuse for not winning the league in 2018-19 as well.

City went on a mad run in the last 15 games but Liverpool let it slip from their fingers. That team was too good to let a 10 point lead slip.
 
Understand your logic, LFC bottled it with almost HALF of the season left but Arsenal DIDNT with single digit matches remaining. Keep exposing your poor understanding of the beautiful game.

You can use any adjective to describe Arsenal’s collapse last season. It doesn’t matter. It is what it is.

However, focusing on Arsenal won’t change the reality of what happened in the 2018-19 season. Liverpool with a manager like Klopp and players like Salah, Mane, VVD, Alisson, Trent, Fabinho, Firmino etc. blew a 10 point lead over City with 18 games to to.

One of the lowest moments in Liverpool’s history, but to their credit, they made up for it by winning the UCL that season and the league the year after.

Nonetheless, it is a blot on Klopp’s legacy. There is no excuse for what happened in the league in 2018-19. There is no way he should have surrendered the league to Pep that season.

Klopp will most probably walk away from Liverpool with 1 PL title but he would have won at least 2-3 with the quality of players that he had at his disposal.
 
🤣🤣 I knew the excuses would come. So "world class" havertz as you called him Fell in kiwors pocket.

Defending yet another lame excuse from a flop.

Havertz is not a striker. You can use him as a second striker and as a CAM to bring the best out of him and this is how Arteta is going to utilize him.

Arteta has watched enough of Havertz to know why it didn’t work for him at Chelsea and what he needs to do to make him work at Arsenal.

He wouldn’t have bought him if he didn’t have a clear idea of how he wants to use him. A lot of Arsenal fans cannot see it now, but these are the same ignoramuses who wanted him sacked last season and turned up their noses when he signed Ramsdale and Ben White.

Arteta and Edu have nailed every major signing since the Willian debacle. Every major player that they have brought have improved the team and this is why Arsenal is now a title-challenging side.

Slowly and gradually, brick by brick, they have rebuild the club with excellent recruitment and player profile. Havertz fits that profile and he is going to elevate Arsenal further.
 
You can use any adjective to describe Arsenal’s collapse last season. It doesn’t matter. It is what it is.

However, focusing on Arsenal won’t change the reality of what happened in the 2018-19 season. Liverpool with a manager like Klopp and players like Salah, Mane, VVD, Alisson, Trent, Fabinho, Firmino etc. blew a 10 point lead over City with 18 games to to.

One of the lowest moments in Liverpool’s history, but to their credit, they made up for it by winning the UCL that season and the league the year after.

Nonetheless, it is a blot on Klopp’s legacy. There is no excuse for what happened in the league in 2018-19. There is no way he should have surrendered the league to Pep that season.

Klopp will most probably walk away from Liverpool with 1 PL title but he would have won at least 2-3 with the quality of players that he had at his disposal.

Simple maths. 18 x 3 54 points to play. You also dont understand basics of football and PL. Fixtures vary and with half the season remaining some teams have played tougher opposition and some yet to play.

Now explain to me as an armchair Arsenal fan sat thousands of miles away, what logic are you using claiming Arsenal didnt bottle it? Reminder , you were so confident with a few games to go.

Some help. Arsenal were on top for over 90% of the season, its an ALL TIME record in the PL but still not a bottle job like your prediction which was also not a bottle job?
 
Simple maths. 18 x 3 54 points to play. You also dont understand basics of football and PL. Fixtures vary and with half the season remaining some teams have played tougher opposition and some yet to play.

:)))

The maths might be simple but the logic is not.

That Liverpool team was one of the best in Europe (hence they won the UCL that season) and as good as City domestically.

Regardless of what the fixtures looked like for the remaining 18 games, there is no excuse for blowing a 10 point lead because Liverpool were far better than everyone in the league except City.

Liverpool finished 25 points above Chelsea (who finished third). That reflects the huge gap between Liverpool and the other 18 teams (excluding City).

Therefore, the tough/easy fixtures excuse doesn’t apply. Even if the fixtures were relatively tougher in the second half of the season, it doesn’t explain and justify surrendering a 10 point lead. Nothing does.

There is no explanation or excuse for why Liverpool didn’t win the league in 18/19 after having a 10 point lead over City with 18 matches to go. That Liverpool team was too good to slip up like this and Klopp wasn’t an inexperienced manager.

You can perform as many mental gymnastics as you want, it will not change the reality. The reality of Liverpool blowing the title in 18/19 in spectacular fashion.
 
:)))

The maths might be simple but the logic is not.

That Liverpool team was one of the best in Europe (hence they won the UCL that season) and as good as City domestically.

Regardless of what the fixtures looked like for the remaining 18 games, there is no excuse for blowing a 10 point lead because Liverpool were far better than everyone in the league except City.

Liverpool finished 25 points above Chelsea (who finished third). That reflects the huge gap between Liverpool and the other 18 teams (excluding City).

Therefore, the tough/easy fixtures excuse doesn’t apply.

There is no explanation or excuse for why Liverpool didn’t win the league in 18/19 after having a 10 point lead over City with 18 matches to go. That Liverpool team was too good to slip up like this and Klopp wasn’t an inexperienced manager.

You can perform as many mental gymnastics as you want, it will not change the reality. The reality of Liverpool blowing the title in 18/19 in spectacular fashion.

So your argument is Liverpool were so great, they shouldnt lose the league to City with half the season remaining but Arsenal are avg so it ok and no bottle job. Gold :)))
 
So your argument is Liverpool were so great, they shouldnt lose the league to City with half the season remaining but Arsenal are avg so it ok and no bottle job. Gold :)))

I’m not talking about Arsenal. I have already explained what happened last season numerous times in this very thread.

Your argument to justify Liverpool’s 2018-19 bottle job is to focus on Arsenal’s collapse in 2022-23. :)))
 
So your argument is Liverpool were so great, they shouldnt lose the league to City with half the season remaining but Arsenal are avg so it ok and no bottle job. Gold :)))

Leave it dude, some people have no shame that they are still commenting after having egg splattered all over their face after making bonkers claims. At least Liverpool have won a PL during City's era of dominance.

Arsenal aren't going to win one. They'll be back to their normal mediocre best next season.
 
Leave it dude, some people have no shame that they are still commenting after having egg splattered all over their face after making bonkers claims. At least Liverpool have won a PL during City's era of dominance.

Arsenal aren't going to win one. They'll be back to their normal mediocre best next season.

Not just an egg, a chicken farms worth of eggs.

Also we all make predictions here and getting things right or wrong. Difference is that one poster who likes to do Bhangra over mediocrity then dissappear for a few weeks when he gets things wrong.
 
Havertz is not a striker. You can use him as a second striker and as a CAM to bring the best out of him and this is how Arteta is going to utilize him.

Arteta has watched enough of Havertz to know why it didn’t work for him at Chelsea and what he needs to do to make him work at Arsenal.

He wouldn’t have bought him if he didn’t have a clear idea of how he wants to use him. A lot of Arsenal fans cannot see it now, but these are the same ignoramuses who wanted him sacked last season and turned up their noses when he signed Ramsdale and Ben White.

Arteta and Edu have nailed every major signing since the Willian debacle. Every major player that they have brought have improved the team and this is why Arsenal is now a title-challenging side.

Slowly and gradually, brick by brick, they have rebuild the club with excellent recruitment and player profile. Havertz fits that profile and he is going to elevate Arsenal further.

Oh yes willian what a signing, Arteta promised him that Arsenal would win the CL in 3 seasons when he joined. Since then willian has left and Arteta has been humilated again in the europa league, never mind the CL.
 
Fake news. Jacob Leeks has no idea what he is talking about. He is the only journalist in the world who is reported that Arsenal have had three bid rejects which is simply not true.

Arsenal have not submitted a third bid. Man City are yet to submit a bid in the first place.

It has all gone quiet over the past 5 days because Arsenal and West Ham are negotiating behind closed doors.

West Ham is working with Arsenal on the terms of the third offer which will be accepted because West Ham is working with Arsenal on the deal.

City have taken a step back because Rice has clearly told West Ham his preference is to join Arsenal.

This deal should be completed within two weeks if not less. West Ham cannot drag this forever because they also have deals in place that depends on Rice’s departure.

Rice will be an Arsenal player. It is 100% decided but only the final details remain. People are unnecessary critical of Edu - these transfers are very complicated. Rice is a high profile player and West Ham is not an easy club to negotiate with.

West Ham and their fans clearly don’t want to their favorite son to another London club but they cannot force to sell Rice to a club that he doesn’t want to join.

This is a big transfer and big transfers tend to take time. Remember, United took two summer windows to sign Sancho even though BVB is a relatively easy club to negotiate with and United didn’t face any competition from other clubs.

Well Man City have now just made a bid which indicates Rice no longer has his heart fully set on Arsenal and I don't blame him because the way Edu has cocked this one up nicely.

West Ham are not working with Arsenal on the deal because according to the BBC it's gone all quiet from our end.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cg3np6l2dwno

The longer this drags on, the more likely Rice will move elsewhere so don't put your hopes up. I've made peace with it.

I'm pretty sure Rice will end up going to City. It really is the title race all over again. We had plenty of chances but choked right at the end when it was well within our grasp.
 
All the Arteta fans boys including head cheer leader Mamoon will be saying that they have been following Youssouf Fofana career since he was born and that Arteta will turn him into prime kante / Patrick Vieira hybrid.

I've been hearing it since the day we signed Pepe. I was told, he was one of the "hottest properties in Europe". Sometimes I do wonder if Mamoon is just here to troll all of us.

When I first joined PP, I thought he was a Man U supporter.
 
Kai Havertz to finalise £65m Arsenal move in coming days | Declan Rice, Jurrien Timber talks ongoing

It is understood the Gunners will pay Chelsea £65m for the 23-year-old Germany international with Sky in Germany reporting that he has signed a five-year deal at Emirates Stadium.

Chelsea are understood to be satisfied with the deal as Havertz had made it clear he wanted to leave Stamford Bridge.

It spells the end of a three-year stint at Chelsea for Havertz, who secured his place in the club's history by scoring the goal that won them a second Champions League crown in 2021.

Chelsea signed Havertz from Bayer Leverkusen in 2020 for £75m but were looking to recoup a substantial portion of what they paid after an indifferent campaign at Stamford Bridge.

Arsenal continue positive talks with West Ham United over the signing of Rice and are working behind the scenes on their next move.

Arsenal have had two bids rejected - the latest worth a club record £90m - for the West Ham captain.

The Hammers are thought to want at least £100m for the England midfielder and are expecting an improved offer from the Gunners.

Manchester City are also interested in Rice but have yet to make an official bid.

One source has told Sky Sports News that the 24-year-old's preferred destination remains Arsenal and personal terms not expected to be a problem.

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing between Arsenal and Ajax over the signing of defender Timber.

There is a willingness from all parties to get a deal done as it's thought the player wants to move to north London.

Talks between the two clubs centre on the valuation of the deal and the structures of payments, and as it stands, there remains a gap in valuation for the Dutch defender.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...days-declan-rice-jurrien-timber-talks-ongoing
 
Arsenal value Balogun at £50m | Interest remains in Xhaka and Partey

Talks have also taken place between Arsenal and the representatives of striker Folarin Balogun over his future at Emirates Stadium.

Balogun wants regular first-team football after his successful loan spell at Reims last season where he scored 21 goals in Ligue 1.

It's thought the 21-year-old wants to make a permanent move away from Arsenal.

One source has told Sky Sports News Arsenal's valuation is £50m for a player who still has two years left on his contract.

Finally, Arsenal will consider departures in midfield once there is certainty on incomings.

Bayer Leverkusen remain optimistic they can get a deal done for Granit Xhaka, while Arsenal are aware of the interest from Juventus and clubs in Saudi Arabia in Thomas Partey.

SKY
 
For real?

Yeah he was on holiday at start of TW, the guys got all the time during season to go and he usually then decides to go away when it's most important time for transfers.

Also with number of transfers we do from Chelsea im sure he's something dodgy in background.
 
Kai Havertz to finalise £65m Arsenal move in coming days | Declan Rice, Jurrien Timber talks ongoing

It is understood the Gunners will pay Chelsea £65m for the 23-year-old Germany international with Sky in Germany reporting that he has signed a five-year deal at Emirates Stadium.

Chelsea are understood to be satisfied with the deal as Havertz had made it clear he wanted to leave Stamford Bridge.

It spells the end of a three-year stint at Chelsea for Havertz, who secured his place in the club's history by scoring the goal that won them a second Champions League crown in 2021.

Chelsea signed Havertz from Bayer Leverkusen in 2020 for £75m but were looking to recoup a substantial portion of what they paid after an indifferent campaign at Stamford Bridge.

Arsenal continue positive talks with West Ham United over the signing of Rice and are working behind the scenes on their next move.

Arsenal have had two bids rejected - the latest worth a club record £90m - for the West Ham captain.

The Hammers are thought to want at least £100m for the England midfielder and are expecting an improved offer from the Gunners.

Manchester City are also interested in Rice but have yet to make an official bid.

One source has told Sky Sports News that the 24-year-old's preferred destination remains Arsenal and personal terms not expected to be a problem.

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing between Arsenal and Ajax over the signing of defender Timber.

There is a willingness from all parties to get a deal done as it's thought the player wants to move to north London.

Talks between the two clubs centre on the valuation of the deal and the structures of payments, and as it stands, there remains a gap in valuation for the Dutch defender.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...days-declan-rice-jurrien-timber-talks-ongoing

Man united were smart enough to put mount talks on hold and not be held to ransom by Chelsea. Yet Arsensl happy to take a Chelsea flop.

Now elsewhere Barca are strapped for cash and de Jong is for sale.

De Jong or kudus from Ajax would have been better options then shitvertz
 
Well Man City have now just made a bid which indicates Rice no longer has his heart fully set on Arsenal and I don't blame him because the way Edu has cocked this one up nicely.

West Ham are not working with Arsenal on the deal because according to the BBC it's gone all quiet from our end.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cg3np6l2dwno

The longer this drags on, the more likely Rice will move elsewhere so don't put your hopes up. I've made peace with it.

I'm pretty sure Rice will end up going to City. It really is the title race all over again. We had plenty of chances but choked right at the end when it was well within our grasp.

But according to my know it all mamoon. City were never going to bid, they don't need Rice etc..

He only wants to join Arteta
 
[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

In spite of all your prayers, much to your disappointment, West Ham have immediately rejected City’s offer.

City’s offer was embarrassing. In fact, it was insulting. They pretty much offered the same package that Arsenal did in its second bid which was also promptly rejected by West Ham.

If the roles were reversed and City had two bids rejected and Arsenal would have made their first bid like City, you would be abusing Edu and calling him a clown for not learning from City’s rejected bids.

City’s limp bid shows they have no confidence in wrapping up this deal because they know that they are not Rice’s preferred destination. City has zero leverage over Arsenal in this deal because unlike other English players, Rice isn’t twerking for them.

City’s knows their weak bid was going to be turned down. They are not fools. It is a safety net in case Arsenal walk away from this deal which will then allow City to sign him for a discounted price.

Rice would obviously pick City if the alternative option is staying at West Ham, but Arsenal will not walk away from this deal because Rice has been the number one priority target since January.

Rice would have been a City player by now and they would have wrapped up the deal without a fuss if Rice was eager to go there. The contrast between the Gvardiol and Rice’s deal a story.

But Rice is a not a tool like most of the other English players. There are other factors (mostly personal) that matter more to him than joining the most powerful English club and winning easy trophies.

Rice will 100% be an Arsenal player as long as Arsenal want him and there is no reason for Arsenal to walk away from the player that they have desperately wanted for months.

I’m sorry that your celebrations over City’s offer were cut short. I hope City can come back with an “improved” offer so that you can get the champagne out again before Edu rains your parade by completing the deal.
 
Man united were smart enough to put mount talks on hold and not be held to ransom by Chelsea. Yet Arsensl happy to take a Chelsea flop.

Now elsewhere Barca are strapped for cash and de Jong is for sale.

De Jong or kudus from Ajax would have been better options then shitvertz

When Man United or some other club refuses to meet the asking price, they are being smart and not allowing the club to hold them ransom.

When Arsenal do the same, Edu is being cheap and not paying the money that is being asked for.

:)))

This is what I was educating you on yesterday. Before a club bids for a player, they have already decided, internally, the max amount they will be willing to offer. In other words, both the buyer and the seller put a price on the player.

If the selling club doesn’t agree, the buyer club will walk away.

Arsenal did this with Mudryk, City did this with Cucurella. It is not about whether you have the capacity to pay the money but it is about how much you think the player is worth.

United is seemingly walking away from the deal because they don’t think Mount is worth the quoted price. This deal can still happen if Mount puts a lot of pressure on Chelsea but it remains to be seen how this one pans out.
 
[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

In spite of all your prayers, much to your disappointment, West Ham have immediately rejected City’s offer.

City’s offer was embarrassing. In fact, it was insulting. They pretty much offered the same package that Arsenal did in its second bid which was also promptly rejected by West Ham.

If the roles were reversed and City had two bids rejected and Arsenal would have made their first bid like City, you would be abusing Edu and calling him a clown for not learning from City’s rejected bids.

City’s limp bid shows they have no confidence in wrapping up this deal because they know that they are not Rice’s preferred destination. City has zero leverage over Arsenal in this deal because unlike other English players, Rice isn’t twerking for them.

City’s knows their weak bid was going to be turned down. They are not fools. It is a safety net in case Arsenal walk away from this deal which will then allow City to sign him for a discounted price.

Rice would obviously pick City if the alternative option is staying at West Ham, but Arsenal will not walk away from this deal because Rice has been the number one priority target since January.

Rice would have been a City player by now and they would have wrapped up the deal without a fuss if Rice was eager to go there. The contrast between the Gvardiol and Rice’s deal a story.

But Rice is a not a tool like most of the other English players. There are other factors (mostly personal) that matter more to him than joining the most powerful English club and winning easy trophies.

Rice will 100% be an Arsenal player as long as Arsenal want him and there is no reason for Arsenal to walk away from the player that they have desperately wanted for months.

I’m sorry that your celebrations over City’s offer were cut short. I hope City can come back with an “improved” offer so that you can get the champagne out again before Edu rains your parade by completing the deal.

Arsenal and City bids are structured differently at least learn the difference.

Man citys offer was to be paid in 2 installments

Arsenal wanted it spread over 4 or 5 years

Also Arsenal's add ons were based on winning PL and CL, which are unrealistic, Arteta has had been schooled in EL. So west ham wouldn't be getting any add on money.

Man city's add ons were more realistic.

West ham want most of the money upfront which Arsenal weren't prepared to do on 1st two bida.
 
When Man United or some other club refuses to meet the asking price, they are being smart and not allowing the club to hold them ransom.

When Arsenal do the same, Edu is being cheap and not paying the money that is being asked for.

:)))

This is what I was educating you on yesterday. Before a club bids for a player, they have already decided, internally, the max amount they will be willing to offer. In other words, both the buyer and the seller put a price on the player.

If the selling club doesn’t agree, the buyer club will walk away.

Arsenal did this with Mudryk, City did this with Cucurella. It is not about whether you have the capacity to pay the money but it is about how much you think the player is worth.

United is seemingly walking away from the deal because they don’t think Mount is worth the quoted price. This deal can still happen if Mount puts a lot of pressure on Chelsea but it remains to be seen how this one pans out.

Arsenal have paid 65M for a proven PL dud. All the rambling you have done above is irrelevant..

A player who was signed by Chelsea for around 70M has flopped and Arsensl have paid slightly under that price for him.

Arsenal as a business buying and selling are a bunch of amateurs
 
Arsenal have paid 65M for a proven PL dud. All the rambling you have done above is irrelevant..

A player who was signed by Chelsea for around 70M has flopped and Arsensl have paid slightly under that price for him.

Arsenal as a business buying and selling are a bunch of amateurs

Arsenal paid £65m for Havertz because they consider him worthy of that price, meanwhile, Chelsea’s evaluation was similar. Therefore, the deal went ahead.

If Chelsea would have asked for £90m, Arsenal would have walked away regardless of how much Arteta admires him.

You don’t know the first thing about how transfers happen and how these negotiations take place. I guess bashing Edu is easier than educating yourself.
 
Arsenal and City bids are structured differently at least learn the difference.

Man citys offer was to be paid in 2 installments

Arsenal wanted it spread over 4 or 5 years

Also Arsenal's add ons were based on winning PL and CL, which are unrealistic, Arteta has had been schooled in EL. So west ham wouldn't be getting any add on money.

Man city's add ons were more realistic.

West ham want most of the money upfront which Arsenal weren't prepared to do on 1st two bida.

And West Ham threw City’s “two installments” and “realistic add-ons” in the trash. If they wanted two installments or cared about how “realistic” the add-ons are, they would have accepted City’s offer.

The number of installments is not the issue neither is how realistic the add-ons are. The issue is the total upfront fee.

Vast majority of £100m+ transfers are paid over more than two installments. 3-4 is the norm. Most clubs are very creative and flexible with add-ons. It is never an issue, and no deal has ever failed to materialize because the add-ons weren’t realistic.

You need to keep up with the news - West Ham want to set the British record fee which is currently £106m, the amount paid by Chelsea to sign Enzo in Jan.

West Ham believes that a 24 year old English midfielder, who is the comfortably the best in the country in his position and is also captain of the club who has just led his team to a European trophy should be worth as much - if not more - than Enzo.

I don’t disagree with West Ham’s evaluation. If Enzo went for £106m, Rice is definitely worth £90-95m + £10-15m add-ons and this will be pretty much the price Arsenal will pay to complete this deal.

West Ham thought by twerking to City, they would get a £100m bid and would pressurize Rice into agreeing terms with them. That didn’t happen because City lowballed them and now Arsenal hold the cards, not West Ham.
 
And West Ham threw City’s “two installments” and “realistic add-ons” in the trash. If they wanted two installments or cared about how “realistic” the add-ons are, they would have accepted City’s offer.

The number of installments is not the issue neither is how realistic the add-ons are. The issue is the total upfront fee.

Vast majority of £100m+ transfers are paid over more than two installments. 3-4 is the norm. Most clubs are very creative and flexible with add-ons. It is never an issue, and no deal has ever failed to materialize because the add-ons weren’t realistic.

You need to keep up with the news - West Ham want to set the British record fee which is currently £106m, the amount paid by Chelsea to sign Enzo in Jan.

West Ham believes that a 24 year old English midfielder, who is the comfortably the best in the country in his position and is also captain of the club who has just led his team to a European trophy should be worth as much - if not more - than Enzo.

I don’t disagree with West Ham’s evaluation. If Enzo went for £106m, Rice is definitely worth £90-95m + £10-15m add-ons and this will be pretty much the price Arsenal will pay to complete this deal.

West Ham thought by twerking to City, they would get a £100m bid and would pressurize Rice into agreeing terms with them. That didn’t happen because City lowballed them and now Arsenal hold the cards, not West Ham.

West ham have said they want it in 2 installments and realistic add ons, that's why they call Arsenal's bids pathetic.

Yet your saying the adds on don't matter, you really dumb to say the least.

Also if payment is made in 2 installments they will gey most of fee upfront, again shows how dumb you are.
 
West ham have said they want it in 2 installments and realistic add ons, that's why they call Arsenal's bids pathetic.

Yet your saying the adds on don't matter, you really dumb to say the least.

Also if payment is made in 2 installments they will gey most of fee upfront, again shows how dumb you are.

West Ham were offered two installments and “realistic” add-ons by City and they called the offer embarrassing and rejected immediately.

Please try to keep up with the news.
 
West Ham were offered two installments and “realistic” add-ons by City and they called the offer embarrassing and rejected immediately.

Please try to keep up with the news.

They didn't call the offer embarrassing so stop making things up. They simply rejected it as they want 100M in total.
 
Understand your logic, LFC bottled it with almost HALF of the season left but Arsenal DIDNT with single digit matches remaining. Keep exposing your poor understanding of the beautiful game.

Bruv, according to his logic, Arsenal bottle the league EVERY season, since Arsenal start at the top of the league beginning of each season, and with 38 games in hand, Arsenal still fail to win the league. :)))
 
Declan Rice has rattled Man City and Man City boot-lickers in the press. They have a hard time understanding why an English player is not bending over backwards to join them. :)))

City’s tame bid has made them look pedestrian. After weeks of playing the waiting game, all they could do was match Arsenal’s second bid with slightly better terms. The same bid that was rejected by West Ham two weeks ago.

The slightly better terms, i.e. more refined payment structure and add-ons were quickly disregarded by Man City.

This Rice saga is a huge psychological blow for City. An English player not bending over backwards to join them is something they are not used to at all, and this is happening immediately after they did the treble.

The media is hating it because they are desperate for Rice to join City because of the anti-Arsenal agenda, but an English player saying no to City is great for the English game.
 
Bruv, according to his logic, Arsenal bottle the league EVERY season, since Arsenal start at the top of the league beginning of each season, and with 38 games in hand, Arsenal still fail to win the league. :)))

🤣 mamoon logic

Mamoonisms - quotes which make nonsense or logic

I think AFC bournemouth are top at start of this season haha
 
🤣 mamoon logic

Mamoonisms - quotes which make nonsense or logic

I think AFC bournemouth are top at start of this season haha

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Bournemouth
Brentford

All with 38 games in hand, so I wonder who will bottle the UCL qualifications this season!

:)))
 
Arsenal
Aston Villa
Bournemouth
Brentford

All with 38 games in hand, so I wonder who will bottle the UCL qualifications this season!

:)))

I actually think Villa if they back Emery may finish 5th or 6th.

No harm in Brentford finishing higher then they did last season as well
 
Bruv, according to his logic, Arsenal bottle the league EVERY season, since Arsenal start at the top of the league beginning of each season, and with 38 games in hand, Arsenal still fail to win the league. :)))

My logic is that when you concede the PL title to City after being 10 points ahead with 18 games to go, with a manager like Klopp and players like Salah, Mane, VVD, Alisson, Trent, Firmino etc., it is an obvious bottle-job. Liverpool handed the PL title to City on a golden platter.

Your logic is to recycle a 2006 joke that was beaten to death back then and is not even funny anymore, simply because you don't have the cojones to admit that Liverpool blew the title in 2018-19 without pivoting your focus on what happened to Arsenal in 2022-23.
 
£100 million + £5 million ad-ons offered to West Ham.

Edu not coming slow. This aggressive bid is a massive statement of intent. Eggs on faces on all those Arsenal fans who thought Edu lacks ambition and doesn’t know what he’s doing.
[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] thoughts and prayers are with you in this difficult moment.

Arsenal have blown City out of the water and Rice has clearly given City the finger. This is massive for the club and a huge psychological boost for Arsenal as they prepare to fight City for the league title next season.
 
So Rice will go to Man City. Edu will panic and go back in for caciedo. Brighton knowing how desperate Arsenal are will now probably demand 100M+ -

Well done Arsenal on another epic failure on getting primary targets.

Genius insight as usual.
 
Arsenal instead of Declan Rice have bought Kai Havertz. :)))

I cant see Arsenal buying Rice now at over £100 when they've spent big bucks on Kai.

It seems the Arsenal sporting directors are fooling their fans and seem to be doing what the owners want.

Brilliant insight as usual.

You couldn’t see what is unfolding in front of your eyes now.

Arsenal spent big bucks on Havertz and have offered £100m for Rice.

Worry about your fifth placed team, please.
 
Man City wins the treble, gets its feet kissed by the English press and Declan Rice tells them to go away I am not interested.

Oh my. :)))
 
Declan Rice is hardly Lionel Messi or CR7 that City will be greeting in their tea cups if they miss out on him. He's not going to make them better than they already are.
 
My logic is that when you concede the PL title to City after being 10 points ahead with 18 games to go, with a manager like Klopp and players like Salah, Mane, VVD, Alisson, Trent, Firmino etc., it is an obvious bottle-job. Liverpool handed the PL title to City on a golden platter.

Your logic is to recycle a 2006 joke that was beaten to death back then and is not even funny anymore, simply because you don't have the cojones to admit that Liverpool blew the title in 2018-19 without pivoting your focus on what happened to Arsenal in 2022-23.

Cojones? You are the only one claiming Liverpool 'bottled' the title in 2018-19, but refuse to accept Arsenal bottled the league this season.

Forget the 10 point lead and 18 games in hand Liverpool had, were Liverpool on top of the league for over 250 days in 18/19, like Arsenal were this season?

And you have just said it yourself, Liverpool blew the title.

This is the problem with your logic, it is inconsistent.
 
Days at the top of the Premier League table without winning it:

Arsenal 2022-23: 248 days.
Newcastle United 1995-96: 212 days.
Arsenal 2002-03: 189 days.
Manchester United 1997-98: 187 days.
Arsenal 2007-08: 156 days.
Liverpool 2018-19: 141 days

This is why Arsenal are known as bottlers.
 
What Arteta has done to convince Rice that he is better off at Arsenal over City is nothing short of phenomenal.

A £100m offer is another clear statement of the board's trust in his abilities and vision for the club.

Arteta and Edu are the best thing to happen to Arsenal for a long time. Even Wenger did not have anywhere near this kind of pull over the Kroenke's.
 
Please refresh your memory. Google is your friend.

Liverpool were 10 points clear of City after match week 20. City were third at the time.

If you blow up a 10 point lead with 18 games to go, it is a bottlejob. There is no argument.

It doesn’t matter if Liverpool won all their last 10 games. The fact is that they had a 10 point lead over City with 18 games to go and they messed it up.

A classic bottlejob.

In fact, let me save some time.

https://talksport.com/football/505423/premier-league-title-race-liverpool-manchester-city/amp/

This is blown out of proportion. 19 games out is a long long way out and city did have the game in hand. City then won the head to head in early January 2-1 and that gap was basically then tiny given the number of games left.

That wasn't a bottling
 
Please refresh your memory. Google is your friend.

Liverpool were 10 points clear of City after match week 20. City were third at the time.

If you blow up a 10 point lead with 18 games to go, it is a bottlejob. There is no argument.

It doesn’t matter if Liverpool won all their last 10 games. The fact is that they had a 10 point lead over City with 18 games to go and they messed it up.

A classic bottlejob.

In fact, let me save some time.

https://talksport.com/football/505423/premier-league-title-race-liverpool-manchester-city/amp/

This is blown out of proportion. 19 games out is a long long way out and city did have the game in hand. City then won the head to head in early January 2-1 and that gap was basically then tiny given the number of games left.

That wasn't a bottling
 
[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

In spite of all your prayers, much to your disappointment, West Ham have immediately rejected City’s offer.

City’s offer was embarrassing. In fact, it was insulting. They pretty much offered the same package that Arsenal did in its second bid which was also promptly rejected by West Ham.

If the roles were reversed and City had two bids rejected and Arsenal would have made their first bid like City, you would be abusing Edu and calling him a clown for not learning from City’s rejected bids.

City’s limp bid shows they have no confidence in wrapping up this deal because they know that they are not Rice’s preferred destination. City has zero leverage over Arsenal in this deal because unlike other English players, Rice isn’t twerking for them.

City’s knows their weak bid was going to be turned down. They are not fools. It is a safety net in case Arsenal walk away from this deal which will then allow City to sign him for a discounted price.

Rice would obviously pick City if the alternative option is staying at West Ham, but Arsenal will not walk away from this deal because Rice has been the number one priority target since January.

Rice would have been a City player by now and they would have wrapped up the deal without a fuss if Rice was eager to go there. The contrast between the Gvardiol and Rice’s deal a story.

But Rice is a not a tool like most of the other English players. There are other factors (mostly personal) that matter more to him than joining the most powerful English club and winning easy trophies.

Rice will 100% be an Arsenal player as long as Arsenal want him and there is no reason for Arsenal to walk away from the player that they have desperately wanted for months.

I’m sorry that your celebrations over City’s offer were cut short. I hope City can come back with an “improved” offer so that you can get the champagne out again before Edu rains your parade by completing the deal.

Sorry but why would I be disappointed? I badly want Rice to join us because as you say he's the talisman English player that we haven't had since the days of Tony Adams.

Even if we pull off the signing of Rice, Edu deserves zero credit for a number of reasons:

1. He went on holiday during the transfer window which is the most important period as a "Sporting Director" of the biggest club in London
2. Perhaps for the first time in the history of the game, a club has made a successive bid for a player that is actually lower than their previous bid. But no lets clap our hands for Edu's genius negotiation skills.
3. Why did it take him so long to submit a third bid? There's no valid reason for him to let City make their first bid after all these days waiting to go back to West Ham to secure the signing
4. Why was Havertz prioritised over Rice? - despite the fact that his stock has fallen significantly since his Bundesliga days
5. Which also leads me to ask, why did we pay an excessive amount for the German who's clearly been struggling for quite some time? You mention, Man U are being smart about the way they've back out of signing Mount. Why didn't we do the same? The deal for Havertz would've eventually gone through at a cut price.

If Arsenal do end up signing Rice, all credit goes to Arteta, he's the one who convinced him with his project and long-term vision for the player. Edu did everything to scupper the deal and would be very fortunate to have this signing considering his miserable record at the club.

It's a like a below-par batsman who averages in the mid 20s but somehow scores his first hundred against the top dogs.

To give Edu any credit would simply be disrespectful to Arteta. Nobody joins Arsenal for Edu unless they have a strange fetish for a Brazilian sausage.
 
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Please refresh your memory. Google is your friend.

Liverpool were 10 points clear of City after match week 20. City were third at the time.

If you blow up a 10 point lead with 18 games to go, it is a bottlejob. There is no argument.

It doesn’t matter if Liverpool won all their last 10 games. The fact is that they had a 10 point lead over City with 18 games to go and they messed it up.

A classic bottlejob.

In fact, let me save some time.

https://talksport.com/football/505423/premier-league-title-race-liverpool-manchester-city/amp/

This is blown out of proportion. 19 games out is a long long way out and city did have the game in hand. City then won the head to head in early January 2-1 and that gap was basically then tiny given the number of games left.

That wasn't a bottling. Title race starts officially in February. Everything else before is jostling for position.

It's not like they bottled a 10 points lead in the last 10 weeks. Far from it.
 
Yeah he was on holiday at start of TW, the guys got all the time during season to go and he usually then decides to go away when it's most important time for transfers.

Also with number of transfers we do from Chelsea im sure he's something dodgy in background.

I can smell it.

It only takes one dirty fish to make a whole pond dirty.
 
Man united were smart enough to put mount talks on hold and not be held to ransom by Chelsea. Yet Arsensl happy to take a Chelsea flop.

Now elsewhere Barca are strapped for cash and de Jong is for sale.

De Jong or kudus from Ajax would have been better options then shitvertz

I've been thinking the same. I would've loved to have seen him join us. This guy is a serious talent and unlike some of our meek players, he has some swag about him as well.

Kai Havertz looks like someone who's just woken up and decided to skip breakfast because his dog took a big dump in his cornflakes.
 
£100 million + £5 million ad-ons offered to West Ham.

Edu not coming slow. This aggressive bid is a massive statement of intent. Eggs on faces on all those Arsenal fans who thought Edu lacks ambition and doesn’t know what he’s doing.

[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] thoughts and prayers are with you in this difficult moment.

Arsenal have blown City out of the water and Rice has clearly given City the finger. This is massive for the club and a huge psychological boost for Arsenal as they prepare to fight City for the league title next season.

Difficult time? 🤣🤣 the coward that ran off twice during the season after both man city defeats and made the excuse he was busy.

Let's deal with facts.

West ham wanted over 100M for Rice

Arsenal have finally put in a proper bid at the 3rd attempt for Rice which had met West hsms request

And what are you doing your wetting yourself

This reminds of me when Arsenal went after Ben White. Brighton demanded over 50M, edu made loads of below par offers and then eventually paid what Brighton wanted after dragging it out over months

So for all the discussions since January, ground work, informal proposals, 2 failed bids etc.. when Arsenal tried to penny pinch, haggle they have ended just giving West ham what they wanted all along.

Get the light bulbs and pop poms out mamoon is dancing because Arsenal have after wasting 6 months of discussions realised West ham weren't going to budge on their price demands on this transfer. West ham will get the 100M they asked for!!

🤣🤣

Your while Edu fetish has come from because you think that when he signed oddegard for 30M it was some how short changing Real Madrid and he was some sort of transfer Guru.

Arsenal on pretty much most of their major transfers under Edu have tried haggling and dragging things out, but in end just paying the money asked.

So edu has possibly done his job for once.

Whole of PP will be praying and sending well wishes when you run off like a coward again next season.
 
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Sorry but why would I be disappointed? I badly want Rice to join us because as you say he's the talisman English player that we haven't had since the days of Tony Adams.

Even if we pull off the signing of Rice, Edu deserves zero credit for a number of reasons:

1. He went on holiday during the transfer window which is the most important period as a "Sporting Director" of the biggest club in London
2. Perhaps for the first time in the history of the game, a club has made a successive bid for a player that is actually lower than their previous bid. But no lets clap our hands for Edu's genius negotiation skills.
3. Why did it take him so long to submit a third bid? There's no valid reason for him to let City make their first bid after all these days waiting to go back to West Ham to secure the signing
4. Why was Havertz prioritised over Rice? - despite the fact that his stock has fallen significantly since his Bundesliga days
5. Which also leads me to ask, why did we pay an excessive amount for the German who's clearly been struggling for quite some time? You mention, Man U are being smart about the way they've back out of signing Mount. Why didn't we do the same? The deal for Havertz would've eventually gone through at a cut price.

If Arsenal do end up signing Rice, all credit goes to Arteta, he's the one who convinced him with his project and long-term vision for the player. Edu did everything to scupper the deal and would be very fortunate to have this signing considering his miserable record at the club.

It's a like a below-par batsman who averages in the mid 20s but somehow scores his first hundred against the top dogs.

To give Edu any credit would simply be disrespectful to Arteta. Nobody joins Arsenal for Edu unless they have a strange fetish for a Brazilian sausage.

POTW right here, spot on Analysis

Pretty much Arsenal / Edu thought they could get a 20M discount off West ham and that West ham would wilt and accept 80M

West ham owners are Karen Brady and David sullivan, two people who have run successful businesses outside of football, the last thing they were going to do was under sell their maim asset

So Arsenal have had to pay a world record fee and mamoons wetting his underpants as though Arsenal have done over West ham
 
Arsenal have submitted a massive £105million offer for West Ham captain Declan Rice.


Mail Sport revealed on Tuesday that the Gunners' third offer would arrive within 48 hours and Arsenal's improved bid for the Hammers captain comprises £100m guaranteed cash plus a further £5m in add-ons.


The offer exceeds West Ham's £100m valuation for the England star and, if successful, would make Rice the biggest transfer between two British clubs, eclipsing Manchester City's £100m capture of Jack Grealish from Aston Villa in the summer of 2021.


News of Arsenal's mega bid comes after Manchester City's first offer for the Hammers captain, which comprised £80m in guaranteed cash and a further £10m in add-ons, was formally turned down by the Hammers on Tuesday.

With West Ham's valuation now met by Arsenal, the structure of the deal will become the key factor with regards to whether the offer is accepted. West Ham prefer the guaranteed part of the fee to be paid by the start of 2025. Arsenal have been keen to pay the fee over the course of five years. (Daily mail)

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There are still things to discuss/clarify between Arsenal and West Ham over payment terms/deal structure after bid submitted for Declan Rice…

…but Arsenal are very confident now despite West Ham waiting for City.

#AFC feel small changes to £105m bid can make it happen. (Fabrizio romano)

- - - -

Structure of deal still an issue, but Arsenal have gone past 100M mark on offer, so all the "haggling", "low balling" on price trying to get a "discount" didn't work. You want a top player most of time you end up paying asking price, if not more.
 
Kroll, Technics, kingkhan, Abdullah, Topspin

https://youtu.be/cg3V_SiBze4

Watch this video, the guy crying is pretty much mamoon. Gives it all talk about its "in the bag" and then ended with egg on his face after club bottled the league
 
What Arteta has done to convince Rice that he is better off at Arsenal over City is nothing short of phenomenal.

A £100m offer is another clear statement of the board's trust in his abilities and vision for the club.

Arteta and Edu are the best thing to happen to Arsenal for a long time. Even Wenger did not have anywhere near this kind of pull over the Kroenke's.

Wenger got kronkes top 4 season after season so they were happy (that's the lack of standards the club had at the time) so kronkes never felt need to put money into club.

Kronkes only put some of their own money in a few seasons ago as club was making a loss, plus covid.

The current spending this season?

The club earned around 200M - last season fron PL, EL etc. They also increased season tickets again, an increase in 7% across last 2 seasons, increase in price of shirts £10-1

So it's the club's money being earned being spent not the kronkes using their own money
 
Kai Havertz has signed all documents as new Arsenal player on Monday. Arsenal and Chelsea signed all the contracts already on Sunday. Club statement, soon.
 
Arsenal have made a third bid for West Ham's Declan Rice worth £105m, which, if accepted, would make him the most expensive British player ever.
 
Sorry but why would I be disappointed? I badly want Rice to join us because as you say he's the talisman English player that we haven't had since the days of Tony Adams.

Even if we pull off the signing of Rice, Edu deserves zero credit for a number of reasons:

1. He went on holiday during the transfer window which is the most important period as a "Sporting Director" of the biggest club in London
2. Perhaps for the first time in the history of the game, a club has made a successive bid for a player that is actually lower than their previous bid. But no lets clap our hands for Edu's genius negotiation skills.
3. Why did it take him so long to submit a third bid? There's no valid reason for him to let City make their first bid after all these days waiting to go back to West Ham to secure the signing
4. Why was Havertz prioritised over Rice? - despite the fact that his stock has fallen significantly since his Bundesliga days
5. Which also leads me to ask, why did we pay an excessive amount for the German who's clearly been struggling for quite some time? You mention, Man U are being smart about the way they've back out of signing Mount. Why didn't we do the same? The deal for Havertz would've eventually gone through at a cut price.

If Arsenal do end up signing Rice, all credit goes to Arteta, he's the one who convinced him with his project and long-term vision for the player. Edu did everything to scupper the deal and would be very fortunate to have this signing considering his miserable record at the club.

It's a like a below-par batsman who averages in the mid 20s but somehow scores his first hundred against the top dogs.

To give Edu any credit would simply be disrespectful to Arteta. Nobody joins Arsenal for Edu unless they have a strange fetish for a Brazilian sausage.

Yes, let me summarize this:

Any great signing that Arsenal makes is because of Arteta.

Any potential great signing that Arsenal miss out on is because of Edu.
 
What Arteta has done to convince Rice that he is better off at Arsenal over City is nothing short of phenomenal.

A £100m offer is another clear statement of the board's trust in his abilities and vision for the club.

Arteta and Edu are the best thing to happen to Arsenal for a long time. Even Wenger did not have anywhere near this kind of pull over the Kroenke's.

Great to see a sane voice in this thread.

Arteta and Edu is the most important partnership since Wenger and Dein. They have transformed Arsenal and restored their status as a powerhouse in English football.

A player like Rice preferring Arsenal over City in 2023 and being offered £100m would have been unthinkable for Arsenal few years back.

The Kroenkes are also backing Arteta and Edu to the hilt now because they know they will being major trophies to the club.

Exciting, exciting times to be an Arsenal fan but some people will not stop crying because of their agendas.
 
Declan Rice is hardly Lionel Messi or CR7 that City will be greeting in their tea cups if they miss out on him. He's not going to make them better than they already are.

It is about optics and what it represents.

Man City is used to getting its ego massaged by the English press and they are not used to English players saying no to them.

Declan Rice, captain of West Ham rejects City for Arsenal almost immediately after City do the treble is a major blow to their egos.

Messi or CR7 saying no to City is nothing compared to an English player saying no to City for Arsenal in 2023.

This is a huge W for Arsenal and a huge L for City.
 
Difficult time? 🤣🤣 the coward that ran off twice during the season after both man city defeats and made the excuse he was busy.

Let's deal with facts.

West ham wanted over 100M for Rice

Arsenal have finally put in a proper bid at the 3rd attempt for Rice which had met West hsms request

And what are you doing your wetting yourself

This reminds of me when Arsenal went after Ben White. Brighton demanded over 50M, edu made loads of below par offers and then eventually paid what Brighton wanted after dragging it out over months

So for all the discussions since January, ground work, informal proposals, 2 failed bids etc.. when Arsenal tried to penny pinch, haggle they have ended just giving West ham what they wanted all along.

Get the light bulbs and pop poms out mamoon is dancing because Arsenal have after wasting 6 months of discussions realised West ham weren't going to budge on their price demands on this transfer. West ham will get the 100M they asked for!!

🤣🤣

Your while Edu fetish has come from because you think that when he signed oddegard for 30M it was some how short changing Real Madrid and he was some sort of transfer Guru.

Arsenal on pretty much most of their major transfers under Edu have tried haggling and dragging things out, but in end just paying the money asked.

So edu has possibly done his job for once.

Whole of PP will be praying and sending well wishes when you run off like a coward again next season.

As I said, you don’t understand how transfer negotiations work. They work differently than they do on FIFA video game which you are used to.

No one immediately pays what the other club is asking for. This is why you negotiate. There are so many factors that come into play that are not reported in the media.

As far as Rice is concerned, West Ham had verbally communicated to Arsenal back in Jan that they would be willing to do business for ~£80m in the summer. However, they immediately hiked the price after they won the Conference League.

Arsenal always knew Rice wanted to join them and was not interested in City unlike other English players who bend over backwards for them. Hence, they were in a position to negotiate.

There is also the time factor. West Ham knows they have to sell Rice this summer and they have pending deals that are blocked until the Rice transfer is pushed through. Therefore, they cannot afford to drag this forever.

David Sullivan is a very difficult personal to do business with. Simon Jordan on talkSPORT said that based on his past experience, you can sit with David and clearly ask him what he needs to do a deal and he will still end up changing his position after verbally agreeing all the terms and conditions with you.

He along with Levy are two of the most difficult people to do business with in the transfer market especially for other English clubs.

Had Arsenal made this bird first up, he would have rejected it immediately and asked for £120m because he would have all the time in the world to drag this further.

As I have explained to you multiple times, both the buyer and the seller put a price on the player. The buyer will never offer the max price first up because then it has no negotiating power. It becomes a “take it or leave it” situation.

Arsenal lowballing West Ham twice is a big reason why West Ham is likely to accept this offer now.
 
Oops!!

Story of my life.

So you feeling comfortable about so much money being spent on one guy? Do Arsenal REALLY need him?

It's not my money so it doesn't really how much the club spends.

Arsenal finished 2nd last season so this TW is all about adding elite players who not only are 1st team standard, they take the club to next level but also have a winners mentality.

Look at Man city. They buy one or two elite players every season to freshen things up, improve the side and help maintain high quality.

Arsenal need to the same, every fan wanted Rice and Caicedo and these are type of players club need to go after and they cost big money.

Yes the Transfer market is over inflated and 100M players now are what 50M players were 10 years ago. That's way market is

Yes I think Rice is worth his transfer fee and yes they need him. Signing "ones for future" is now done.

Only reason Arsenal fans are crying over 100M is

- being scared of banter if 100M player flops
- excuse of we can't compete with city's spending, won't be able to be used
- if Arsenal spend 250M in TW and club fails again like last season, Arteta fan boys will have no excuses to hide behind

Come end of the window Arsensl could have spent 700M under current manager after 4.5 season (end of this season coming) and if its trophyless again all the hype and bhangra etc.. Will have been a shameless sharade

Top 4, poor cup runs won't be tolerated as there will be no excuses left.

But certain posters mamoom, immy69 etc.. Will end up finding a new excuse
 
It is about optics and what it represents.

Man City is used to getting its ego massaged by the English press and they are not used to English players saying no to them.

Declan Rice, captain of West Ham rejects City for Arsenal almost immediately after City do the treble is a major blow to their egos.

Messi or CR7 saying no to City is nothing compared to an English player saying no to City for Arsenal in 2023.

This is a huge W for Arsenal and a huge L for City.

Why is Pep going to cry over one player? They went after Kane previously and didn't get him, did it effect City? No

Are man city going to struggle if they don't get Rice? No, they could easily go and just get someone like De Jong from Barca etc...
 
Edu is employed by club to get transfers done as one of his tasks.

He's failed spectacularly to get big transfers done in past, now if in 1st time he gets one done certain posters are doing bhangra.

It's like a normal person doing their job to an incompetent level for years and then doing a good job for once.

That supposedly deserves a round of applause because someone has actually for 1st time done what they were suppose to.

Mamoon special if I ever saw it
 
It is about optics and what it represents.

Man City is used to getting its ego massaged by the English press and they are not used to English players saying no to them.

Declan Rice, captain of West Ham rejects City for Arsenal almost immediately after City do the treble is a major blow to their egos.

Messi or CR7 saying no to City is nothing compared to an English player saying no to City for Arsenal in 2023.

This is a huge W for Arsenal and a huge L for City.

When's the open top bus parade for Arsenal's supposed transfer win?
 
Was wondering the same....


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How can Arsenal afford possible Rice, Havertz and Timber transfers under FFP?

Arsenal have their ducks lined up in a row and, should everything go to plan, this will be another bold summer in the transfer market.

Arsenal have already had two bids for West Ham United midfielder Declan Rice turned down, with the second deal worth in the region of £90million, and have now returned with a third offer worth £105m. They have also agreed a deal to sign Kai Havertz from Chelsea for a fee around £65million and are in negotiations with Ajax for defender Jurrien Timber, with the proposal worth about £30million.

No other Premier League club has so far shown as much intent in this burgeoning window but, for Arsenal, it continues an ambitious pattern.

Take the summer of 2021, when £145million was spent on players including Ben White, Martin Odegaard and Aaron Ramsdale. Or last season, when the club parted with £165million to turn Mikel Arteta’s fifth-placed 2021-22 squad into title contenders with the addition of, among others, Gabriel Jesus and Oleksandr Zinchenko.

Arsenal’s era of prudence is no more under American owner Stan Kroenke. Each summer now trumps the last. The days of the club making Gunnersaurus, the club’s towering dinosaur mascot, redundant back in 2020 are a fast-fading memory. More than £300million has since been spent emerging out the other side of the Covid-19 pandemic, all without significant sales that would balance the books.

This summer, it seems, will be no different, so long as the best-laid plans of Rice and (other) men do not go awry, but there comes a time when the question will be asked: for how much longer can Arsenal keep on spending?

The shackles of financial fair play (FFP) are being felt elsewhere in the Premier League, after all.

Chelsea know they have to rein in the lavish spending of last season and are under pressure to trim a bloated squad. Manchester United and Newcastle United are two more clubs that privately accept FFP is a consideration they cannot ignore. Everton, meanwhile, can scarcely move for their limitations, which have also resulted in a formal Premier League charge.

Yet Arsenal, who have posted pre-tax losses of £226million in the past three years, keep on writing the cheques.

The Premier League and UEFA, European football’s governing body, will be watching — they always are — but Arsenal maintain a relaxed outlook. Arteta, for one, insisted last summer that Arsenal were “compliant” with FFP. “I think the club has been very disciplined all the time and with a very clear vision of how we want to do things,” he said.

Little has changed and the successes that have followed on from Arteta’s assessment have only emboldened Arsenal. There will be Champions League football next season for the first time since 2016-17 and, almost inevitably, record-breaking revenues are therefore on the way.

Their summer recruitment of 2021 and 2022 might have carried risk during seasons of reduced income streams, but this time around it comes on a far stronger footing. Arsenal know what is coming.

“I don’t see too much reason why they should be worried about FFP,” says Kieran Maguire, finance lecturer at Liverpool University and co-host of The Price Of Football podcast. “They’ve spent a lot of money in the last couple of seasons and look as though they will again, but they’ve seen a significant rise in revenue streams. In 2022-23, they finished higher in the table, so they’ll get more merit payments from the Premier League. They did modestly in Europe (losing in the last 16 of the Europa League) but at least there were (those extra) home games, where they’re probably making a couple of million each time.

“They’ll have bonuses kicking in from (front of shirt and stadium-name sponsor) Emirates and so on for being in the Champions League next season and just qualifying for the Champions League is worth a minimum of £30million. That’s before you’ve even kicked a ball.

“I don’t see too many concerns.”

Arsenal ultimately have to comply with two sets of FFP rules: the Premier League’s and those overseen by UEFA. Both are designed to encourage sustainability and sound financial practices. Failing to comply will bring consequences. No sniggering at the back of the room, please.

The domestic regulations are unlikely to be a concern for Arsenal any time soon. Clubs are permitted to lose as much as £105million over a three-year monitoring period, but within those assessments are a host of caveats.

Losses attributed to the pandemic can be knocked off, as can a host of other allowable deductions, such as stadium developments, youth and community development and women’s football. The current assessment period also gives added leeway to the financial damage done by Covid-19 in 2019-20 and 2020-21, with those seasons bolted together and an average taken from the two.

That leaves Arsenal effectively posting a pre-tax loss of £168million for the period ending 2021-22 but the deductions permissible are enough to satisfy the Premier League’s number crunchers. Swiss Ramble, the respected online analyst, estimates the club could write off as much as £162million of that.

These figures, of course, do not include last season’s hefty spend. Or the outlay for the one that is soon to begin.

But Arsenal’s financial strength has also been transformed by events of the last 12 months.

Those 2021-22 accounts covered a campaign without European qualification (2020-21) and one that ended with a fifth-placed finish in the Premier League that was worth, all told, £145.7million in club revenues of £369million.

Arsenal’s resurgence last season, eventually finishing as runners-up to Manchester City, is likely to have brought central distribution from the Premier League in the region of £180million, owing to increased merit payments and additional income from overseas broadcast rights. That run to the Europa League last 16, too, is likely to have added as much as £30million in prize money and matchday revenue.

All that guarantees a marked uplift in turnover and next season, with a return to the Champions League secured, will see the bottom-line figure climb again for 2023-24. An extended run back in Europe’s elite club competition would be worth more than £70million in prize money alone to any Premier League club.

A club who were in danger of falling behind the rest of England’s elite, with revenues £75million less than neighbours Tottenham Hotspur in 2021-22 and £114million less than fellow Londoners Chelsea, has come bounding back in the last two years.

Arsenal are back at the levels of 2016-17, when annual revenues peaked at £419million. Accounts for the 2022-23 season, due to be published this winter, will depict a club catching up with its rivals. The returns for 2023-24 might even see them overtaking one or two.

“The accounts we can see for Arsenal don’t show what’s happened in the last 12 months,” says Dan Plumley, a sports finance expert and lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University.

“There’s been an increased TV deal with the Premier League, a very successful season and they’re back in the Champions League. That’s a minimum of £50million for the English clubs and you’d expect them to get out of the groups. You could be looking at £70million-£80million there, perhaps more if they go far in the competition.

“They’ll be budgeting against that now. You look at this summer transfer window and chasing players like Declan Rice, it comes with the knowledge that revenues are going to climb sharply next season. We’re looking back at the numbers that are available to us, but what’s happened in the last year will have a bigger bearing on what we see this summer.”

There is, of course, amortisation to also consider — a word Chelsea have almost single-handedly pushed into football’s lexicon.

The money spent between now and the September 1 deadline by Arsenal — or any other club, for that matter — will not all be included in the accounts for this season and can instead be spread out over the arriving players’ contracts. Gabriel Jesus, for example, might have cost Arsenal £45million when joining from Manchester City last summer, but his five-year contract ensures the cost will be spread between 2022 and 2027 at £9million a season.

That means Arsenal’s extravagant spending is projected forward, affording them the chance to do it all again this summer.

Sales are likely to help, too. This proposed £200million spree will be offset by outgoings, with questions over the futures of Granit Xhaka, Thomas Partey, Kieran Tierney and Folarin Balogun. Unlike the last three seasons, it is conceivable Arsenal could raise something in the region of £100million via outgoing players.

Another ace held by Arsenal has been their cost control of recent years. The wages paid out in 2021-22 accounted for just 58 per cent of turnover and only in 2020-21, the season played almost totally behind closed doors, has the ratio gone higher than 70 per cent. The £212million paid on wages in 2021-22 was dwarfed by Manchester United’s £384m, Manchester City’s £354m and Chelsea’s £340m.

“If we take a look at their wages, they were lower in 2022 than they were in 2018,” adds Maguire. “What we’ve seen over the course of the last five or six seasons is Arsenal getting their costs under pretty good control, even though they’ve not been a Champions League club. Again, that puts them in a strong position.”

Arsenal’s wage structure has since been expanded with the arrivals of Zinchenko and Jesus last summer, as well as the recent new and improved deals for Bukayo Saka and Ramsdale. Adding Rice, Havertz and Timber would bring further financial commitments.

These will matter more under UEFA’s revised FFP rules, now known as financial sustainability regulations, which came into force in June last year. Clubs will not be able to commit more than 90 per cent of turnover on wages, transfers and agents’ fees in 2023-24, with that falling to 80 per cent in 2024-25 and ending at 70 per cent in 2025-26. The losses allowed over a three-year period have also climbed from €30million to €60million (£51.3m/$65.4m) under UEFA’s revised rules.

Unlike Chelsea, Leicester City, Manchester City and West Ham United, Arsenal were not one of the 19 clubs placed on UEFA’s monitoring list last September, and the expectation is they are not among those sailing too close to the wind.

“Because of the TV revenues, the big English clubs are already well set to conform with UEFA’s rules,” says Plumley. “You factor in agents’ fees and transfer fees but they’re still well set to transition.

“Arsenal have actually got more scope than most. They’re back in the Champions League, crowds are back in and they’re in a position where they’re confident in their ability to invest.”

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[MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] - in regards to FFP

Just remembered Arsenal got 150M for finishing 2nd and probably another 20M from EL, add to that you have guaranteed 13M from CL this season (group stages), then you get additional money for wins or draws.

Season tickets went up 3% last season, 4% this season - so Arsenal could easily spend 250M in this window

Problem will be if club keeps being poor in transfer sales, ox and overmars are Arsenal's best ever sells

You hear stories Partey may leave for 17M, players having contracts cancelled etc.. in squad to. This is where issues will happen unless Arsenal improve on player sales
 
It is about optics and what it represents.

Man City is used to getting its ego massaged by the English press and they are not used to English players saying no to them.

Declan Rice, captain of West Ham rejects City for Arsenal almost immediately after City do the treble is a major blow to their egos.

Messi or CR7 saying no to City is nothing compared to an English player saying no to City for Arsenal in 2023.

This is a huge W for Arsenal and a huge L for City.

Stop lying. Rice has not rejected City, but West Ham rejected City's bid.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...it-bid-declan-rice-arsenal-west-ham-transfer/

Arsenal have now made a 3rd bid, and what was it you said above? Ahh yes - If the selling club doesn’t agree, the buyer club will walk away.

Arsenal walking away is it?
 
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