Arsenal FC | 2022/23 Season

[Mamoon]

Havertz helped Chelsea win the CL? you mean he scored the winner in the final and has dinned out on that for 3 seasons, he's done nothing in his career other then that at Chelsea. Plenty of mediocre players have scored a winning goal in a final and then done nothing rest of the spell at a club, doesn't make them proven.

I never said he was same level as Vieira what utter nonsense. I replied to your comment when you said havertz would be a better option then Vieira off the bench.

Same Vieira that you were hyping up as next bernado Silva at start of last season.

I simple Said Vieira is garbage and your using him as a yard stick of quality to say havertz is better. Both players are garbage.
Your the one making hilarious crap comparisons. It's like comparing Rob holding to Harry maguire and saying holding is better as though that's some sort of medal of honour.

Arsenal getting stronger in window? Based on your usual wild opinions with zero substance. Your making our as though havertz will elevate Arsenal to closing the gap to City

Your already rolling out the excuse the FA Cup and league Cup aren't important.

Then you sat getting to CL 1/4 finals and challenging for title is going to equate to success.

So you’re basically saying another trophyless season (which would be 4th in a row) would be acceptable.

Havertz was a starter for Chelsea when they won the UCL. He was a key player throughout their campaign. Good luck winning a UCL with Vieira as your starter.

You literally compared the two and now you are backtracking:

“He would offer nothing off the bench, saying he's better then trash like Vieira is hilarious. Comparing a **** against another ****.”

Vieira is garbage but Havertz is not. He is a very good player who has been misused by Chelsea. Arteta can unlock the potential he showed at Leverkusen. You either don’t watch football outside PL like most delusional PL fans or you don’t know anything about football if you think Havertz is garbage.

Arsenal are about to add Rice without losing any of its key, young players who are all signing new contracts and you think Arsenal are not getting stronger )

Yes - not having enough depth and allowing the key players to rotate was a major reason for Arsenal’s collapse in the end. By adding quality players like Havertz to the squad and keeping all your main players, you’re doing exactly what you need to fight with City next season.

Arteta is signing players that will bolster both the first team (Rice) and add depth (potentially Havertz) and Arsenal fans should be looking forward to next season. Those with anti-Arteta agendas will continue to cry but who cares.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Chelsea want 75M for havertz
Real say they don't want to pay more the 50M
Arsenal looking to waste 60M on havertz

That just somes up how ******** Edu and Arteta are. Arsenal's most important Transfer and club wasting huge sums of money on unproven garbage.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Havertz was a starter for Chelsea when they won the UCL. He was a key player throughout their campaign. Good luck winning a UCL with Vieira as your starter.

You literally compared the two and now you are backtracking:

“He would offer nothing off the bench, saying he's better then trash like Vieira is hilarious. Comparing a **** against another ****.”

Vieira is garbage but Havertz is not. He is a very good player who has been misused by Chelsea. Arteta can unlock the potential he showed at Leverkusen. You either don’t watch football outside PL like most delusional PL fans or you don’t know anything about football if you think Havertz is garbage.

Arsenal are about to add Rice without losing any of its key, young players who are all signing new contracts and you think Arsenal are not getting stronger )

Yes - not having enough depth and allowing the key players to rotate was a major reason for Arsenal’s collapse in the end. By adding quality players like Havertz to the squad and keeping all your main players, you’re doing exactly what you need to fight with City next season.

Arteta is signing players that will bolster both the first team (Rice) and add depth (potentially Havertz) and Arsenal fans should be looking forward to next season. Those with anti-Arteta agendas will continue to cry but who cares.

You really are clueless. You were the one who brought up havertz and Vieira 1st. So how am I back tracking? Are you really that stupid i responded to your comment.

So Vieira is trash now? But you were hyping him up at start of last season. Now uve done ur usual flip flop. I've watched plenty of PL football to know havertz is a **** player. One of my best friends is a Chelsea fan and we regularly discuss each others teams and most other fans thing havertz Is garbage as well.

Yeah havertz had a good spell in Germany, so have other players. Sancho being a prime example of being good in Germany and rubbish in PL. Apart from haaland who is a freak of nature, most other recent players coming from Germany to England have been trasher. Time werner being another example.

Germany league outside of Bayern is mediocre with the odd decent player at another Germany club here and there.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Havertz was a starter for Chelsea when they won the UCL. He was a key player throughout their campaign. Good luck winning a UCL with Vieira as your starter.

You literally compared the two and now you are backtracking:

“He would offer nothing off the bench, saying he's better then trash like Vieira is hilarious. Comparing a **** against another ****.”

Vieira is garbage but Havertz is not. He is a very good player who has been misused by Chelsea. Arteta can unlock the potential he showed at Leverkusen. You either don’t watch football outside PL like most delusional PL fans or you don’t know anything about football if you think Havertz is garbage.

Arsenal are about to add Rice without losing any of its key, young players who are all signing new contracts and you think Arsenal are not getting stronger )

Yes - not having enough depth and allowing the key players to rotate was a major reason for Arsenal’s collapse in the end. By adding quality players like Havertz to the squad and keeping all your main players, you’re doing exactly what you need to fight with City next season.

Arteta is signing players that will bolster both the first team (Rice) and add depth (potentially Havertz) and Arsenal fans should be looking forward to next season. Those with anti-Arteta agendas will continue to cry but who cares.

The usual mamoon overhyping mediocre players at start of a new season.

Who can't forget last season gem Athur melo, when you wanted him at Arsenal.

Another player who supposedly was misused and Arteta could work his magic on him.

So now the overhyped is havertz.

Thank god Arsenal didn't get Melo last season he was garbage at Liverpool, just shows how poor your so called talent ID is

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal will waste 60M on havertz, Chelsea will use thar money to sign caciedo. This is how dumb clubs like Arsenal operate and how Chelsea will use Arsenal to make them look foolish twice.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION]

I always knew you don’t know football, but I was under the wrong impression that you could read and write English.

I mentioned that Havertz would be an excellent signing for Arsenal because he will add quality depth to the squad and you would rather have him providing depth than Vieira.

You responded by saying that he is equally poor as Vieira and when I called you out for this ridiculous assertion, you cowered.

It is a joke to compare the two. Havertz is levels above him and it is ridiculous to suggest that adding him to the squad whilst not losing any main player would not strengthen the squad. Of course it will.

As far as Melo is concerned, he is a good CM. He was quality at Barcelona, but the problem is that you don’t watch any football outside the PL which is why you are clueless.

Liverpool was the wrong club at the wrong time for him and he suffered a bad injury which kept him out for months. Just because he wasn’t the right for for Liverpool doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have been the right for Arsenal under Arteta.

So many players don’t function in one team under one manager but things pan out differently somewhere else. I can give you thousands of examples.

Melo would have proved you wrong just like Jorginho did, who apparently was a terrible signing.

Bundesliga is a very good league. It is technical and physical. It is typical PL fan delusion to suggest that players from Bundesliga and other leagues will struggle in the PL but that never happens and when the reverse happens (e.g. Mane struggling while playing for the best German team) they don’t bother to comment.

If you are a good player you will adapt to any league. The only thing that matters is going to the right team where the style of football and tactics suit you.

Sancho, under the right circumstances, would do as well in the PL as he did at BVB, but United hasn’t been the right setup for him. It doesn’t mean that PL is too good for him. It is not - players with far less ability and skills have performed in the PL.

Madrid paid 100m for Bellingham who made a name for himself in Bundesliga, a league that is considered low standard by delusional PL fans. Same Bundesliga from which Madrid recruited Ozil.

Havertz went to the wrong team and circumstances at Chelsea did not benefit him. They have been playing him out of position and he would struggle in any league if you are playing him as a number 9 because he is not.

Arteta can give him the right platform and the right tools. He can unlock the potential he showed at Leverkusen.

Arteta has seen him struggle at Chelsea. He has obviously seen something which is why he wants him and I would take his judgement over yours. After all, you wanted him sacked 12 months ago because you said Arsenal will never be title challengers on his watch and here we are.

Your problem is not Havertz or Jorginho, your problem is Arteta and your agenda will never allow you to acknowledge the work that he has done.

It is so hysterical that you are actually arguing that he has not strengthened the team in the summer so far when all the key players have signed new contracts and Rice is on his way. )

 

[Amjid Javed]

[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION]

I always knew you don’t know football, but I was under the wrong impression that you could read and write English.

I mentioned that Havertz would be an excellent signing for Arsenal because he will add quality depth to the squad and you would rather have him providing depth than Vieira.

You responded by saying that he is equally poor as Vieira and when I called you out for this ridiculous assertion, you cowered.

It is a joke to compare the two. Havertz is levels above him and it is ridiculous to suggest that adding him to the squad whilst not losing any main player would not strengthen the squad. Of course it will.

As far as Melo is concerned, he is a good CM. He was quality at Barcelona, but the problem is that you don’t watch any football outside the PL which is why you are clueless.

Liverpool was the wrong club at the wrong time for him and he suffered a bad injury which kept him out for months. Just because he wasn’t the right for for Liverpool doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have been the right for Arsenal under Arteta.

So many players don’t function in one team under one manager but things pan out differently somewhere else. I can give you thousands of examples.

Melo would have proved you wrong just like Jorginho did, who apparently was a terrible signing.

Bundesliga is a very good league. It is technical and physical. It is typical PL fan delusion to suggest that players from Bundesliga and other leagues will struggle in the PL but that never happens and when the reverse happens (e.g. Mane struggling while playing for the best German team) they don’t bother to comment.

If you are a good player you will adapt to any league. The only thing that matters is going to the right team where the style of football and tactics suit you.

Sancho, under the right circumstances, would do as well in the PL as he did at BVB, but United hasn’t been the right setup for him. It doesn’t mean that PL is too good for him. It is not - players with far less ability and skills have performed in the PL.

Madrid paid 100m for Bellingham who made a name for himself in Bundesliga, a league that is considered low standard by delusional PL fans. Same Bundesliga from which Madrid recruited Ozil.

Havertz went to the wrong team and circumstances at Chelsea did not benefit him. They have been playing him out of position and he would struggle in any league if you are playing him as a number 9 because he is not.

Arteta can give him the right platform and the right tools. He can unlock the potential he showed at Leverkusen.

Arteta has seen him struggle at Chelsea. He has obviously seen something which is why he wants him and I would take his judgement over yours. After all, you wanted him sacked 12 months ago because you said Arsenal will never be title challengers on his watch and here we are.

Your problem is not Havertz or Jorginho, your problem is Arteta and your agenda will never allow you to acknowledge the work that he has done.

It is so hysterical that you are actually arguing that he has not strengthened the team in the summer so far when all the key players have signed new contracts and Rice is on his way. )

More repeated rubbish from you as usual, havertz goals and Assists is pathetic at Chelsea so how is that a benefit to Arsenal. Your whole lame excuse is he's not at the right club and like Arteta is going to wave a magic wand . Melo is garbage and fact Barca don't even want him back shows how mediocre he is. You seem to proclaim urself as some sort of world football expert everyone has seen your football knowledge and flip flop statements every few months.

Arteta ruined Auba and laca as player when he 1st took over. They had a 70+ G/A the season before he took over and Arteta turned them into useless players with his poor tactics. Everyone can examples of players doing well and bad under managers.

You harp on about Artetas judgement yeah the guy who signed runnarson. Cedric, mari, lakonga, tavares, tomyassu, Vieira etc.. he mold those so called talents didn't he?

You dance around like he some sort of messiah. Embarrassed 3 times in the europa league by substandard teams showing zero tactical ability. Yet you want others to give him credit .

It's Artetas lack of plan B, in game management and squad building which cost Arsenal the title,but you won't admit that as you will end up with more egg on your face. Title was in bag in February but your so called messiah end up taking 9 points from 8 games (15 point swing) in one of the biggest bottle jobs in PL history.

We will see your usual flip flop statements in a few months.

Also I didn't mention other leagues out side of the bundeslinga? So why bring that up, you just keep making things up again

Also if you could actually read I said their is the odd decent player here and their in German league, something which you ignored.

Your whole argument seems to be that no matter how bad a player is Arteta is some sort of magician that he's going to make them a world beater .

Giving new contract to mediocre players like Eddie and Nelson ain't developing players. The fact that balogun, patino etc.. all want to leave, why ain't Arteta keeping these players and developing them into stars?

Stop over hyping trash as usual. Now all of sudden next season if Arteta bottles something else he should be made accountable, but previously has been given a free pass. Shoes you have zero standards

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal at home to Notts forrest - 1st game of the season
GW1 Premier League fixtures -

Arsenal vs. Nottm Forest
Bournemouth vs. West Ham
Brentford vs. Tottenham
Brighton vs. Luton
Burnley vs. Man City
Chelsea vs. Liverpool
Everton vs. Fulham
Man Utd vs. Wolves
Newcastle vs. Aston Villa
Sheffield Utd vs. C Palace

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal's first 8 fixtures

Forrest (H)
Palace (A)
Fulham (H)
United (H)
Everton (A)
Spurs (H)
Bournemouth (A)
Man city (H)

 

[Amjid Javed]

How Arsenal’s fixtures look including the UEFA Champions League group stages fixtures

◉ CL game 1
◎ Chelsea (A)
◉ CL game 2
◎ Manchester City (H)
◉ CL game 3
◎ Brentford (A)
◉ CL game 4
◎ Burnley (H)
◉ CL game 5
◎ Wolves (H)
◉ CL game 6
◎ Brighton (H)

 

[Amjid Javed]

Full fixtures

12/08/2023 12:30 Nottingham Forest (h)

19/08/2023 15:00 Crystal Palace (a)

26/08/2023 15:00 Fulham (h)

02/09/2023 15:00 Manchester United (h)

16/09/2023 15:00 Everton (a)

23/09/2023 15:00 Tottenham Hotspur (h)

30/09/2023 15:00 A.F.C. Bournemouth (a)

07/10/2023 15:00 Manchester City (h)

21/10/2023 15:00 Chelsea (a)

28/10/2023 15:00 Sheffield United (h)

04/11/2023 15:00 Newcastle United (a)

11/11/2023 15:00 Burnley (h)

25/11/2023 15:00 Brentford (a)

02/12/2023 15:00 Wolverhampton (h)

05/12/2023 19:45 Luton Town (a)

09/12/2023 15:00 Aston Villa (a)

16/12/2023 15:00 Brighton (h)

23/12/2023 15:00 Liverpool (a)

26/12/2023 15:00 West Ham United (h)

30/12/2023 15:00 Fulham (a)

13/01/2024 15:00 Crystal Palace (h)

30/01/2024 19:45 Nottingham Forest (a)

03/02/2024 15:00 Liverpool (h)

10/02/2024 15:00 West Ham United (a)

17/02/2024 15:00 Burnley (a)

24/02/2024 15:00 Newcastle United (h)

02/03/2024 15:00 Sheffield United (a)

09/03/2024 15:00 Brentford (h)

16/03/2024 15:00 Chelsea (h)

30/03/2024 15:00 Manchester City (a)

02/04/2024 19:45 Luton Town (h)

06/04/2024 15:00 Brighton (a)

13/04/2024 15:00 Aston Villa (h)

20/04/2024 15:00 Wolverhampton (a)

27/04/2024 15:00 Tottenham Hotspur (a)

04/05/2024 15:00 A.F.C. Bournemouth (h)

11/05/2024 15:00 Manchester United (a)

19/05/2024 16:00 Everton (h)

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal have made an opening offer to sign West Ham captain Declan Rice. Manchester City are also actively exploring an approach of their own for the player. David_Ornstein

Wait till city hijack deal and lame excuses from mamoon will be written in a 3000 word essay

 

[Amjid Javed]

The opening bid from Arsenal is understood to be £80m+£10m in add-ons for Declan Rice.

West Ham have turned down the offer and #AFC aren't expected to give up the chase

 

[Mamoon]

Arsenal have made an opening offer to sign West Ham captain Declan Rice. Manchester City are also actively exploring an approach of their own for the player. David_Ornstein

Wait till city hijack deal and lame excuses from mamoon will be written in a 3000 word essay

City will not bid for him because they already have the best DM in the league. Rice to Arsenal is 100% done but that won’t stop you from moaning and enlightening us how “Arteta hasn’t strengthened the squad in the summer”

I didn’t read your previous incoherent word salad but from what I could gather, you were probably complaining about how Havertz is the worst player in the world.

Tuchel and Thierry Henry have compared his profile to Van Persie, although I personally don’t see the comparison and I find him more similar to Ozil.

Bayern and Madrid are also interested in him. Surely he is a lot better than people like you think and I’m confident that Arteta can unlock his potential and unleash the player we saw (I, not you. You don’t watch football outside PL like a typical PL fan) at Leverkusen.

 

[Amjid Javed]

City will not bid for him because they already have the best DM in the league. Rice to Arsenal is 100% done but that won’t stop you from moaning and enlightening us how “Arteta hasn’t strengthened the squad in the summer”

I didn’t read your previous incoherent word salad but from what I could gather, you were probably complaining about how Havertz is the worst player in the world.

Tuchel and Thierry Henry have compared his profile to Van Persie, although I personally don’t see the comparison and I find him more similar to Ozil.

Bayern and Madrid are also interested in him. Surely he is a lot better than people like you think and I’m confident that Arteta can unlock his potential and unleash the player we saw (I, not you. You don’t watch football outside PL like a typical PL fan) at Leverkusen.

Comparing havertz to ozil . Same ozil that Arteta was unable to get any decent performances out of.

We've heard all your "it's in the bag" and "it's a done deal" posts.

The title was in bag in February! * you never learn from your wild statements.

Gudogan and bernado are likely to leave city, city are looking to offer Phillips to west ham as well as part of a rice deal.

 

[MenInG]

West Ham have rejected Arsenal's first bid for England midfielder Declan Rice.

Gunners boss Mikel Arteta has made Rice one of his main transfer targets, with suggestions that a deal was close.

However, it is understood the initial offer for the 24-year-old has left the Hammers unimpressed as it contains a number of clauses.

Sources at West Ham do expect further communication from Arsenal, although they are also anticipating an offer from Manchester City.

City are refusing to comment on potential interest in Rice.

There is uncertainty over the futures of City captain Ilkay Gundogan and team-mate Bernardo Silva, which could force the club's manager, Pep Guardiola, into the transfer market.

West Ham chairman David Sullivan has said he is "99%" sure that Rice, who captained the Hammers to victory in the Europa Conference League earlier this month, will leave the club this summer.

Rice has played 245 games and scored 15 goals for West Ham, having made his debut in the 2016-17 season after coming through the academy.

He has been capped 41 times by England, playing in all five of their matches at last winter's World Cup.

Rice has one year left on his contract, although the Hammers have the option to extend that until the summer of 2025, leaving them in a strong position to negotiate a substantial transfer fee.

 

[Amjid Javed]

City will not bid for him because they already have the best DM in the league. Rice to Arsenal is 100% done but that won’t stop you from moaning and enlightening us how “Arteta hasn’t strengthened the squad in the summer”

I didn’t read your previous incoherent word salad but from what I could gather, you were probably complaining about how Havertz is the worst player in the world.

Tuchel and Thierry Henry have compared his profile to Van Persie, although I personally don’t see the comparison and I find him more similar to Ozil.

Bayern and Madrid are also interested in him. Surely he is a lot better than people like you think and I’m confident that Arteta can unlock his potential and unleash the player we saw (I, not you. You don’t watch football outside PL like a typical PL fan) at Leverkusen.

If rice comes in xhaka will be leaving. Is rice a better player? Yes.

But in reality all that happens is the team is in same situation with a good starting 11 and average rotation options for 4 competitions.

Jorginho had a few decent games but was also mediocre at times. Also Arteta didn't even use him in games like Anfield.

Elneny is mediocre and isn't going to add any depth.

On top of that Arsenal will again be in situation where they will need to keep partey fit all season.

Also their is the Afcons in January which means partey and elneny will be away for a month which means Arsenal midfield options would be jorghino and xhaka (or a new signing)

We saw Arsensl make a pigs ear of things 2 years ago when partey and elneny went to Afcons and were left with xhaka and lakonga. Xhaka end up getting suspended.

Pathetic squad management. The same thing will repeat itself January next year.

 

[Amjid Javed]

West Ham have rejected Arsenal's first bid for England midfielder Declan Rice.

Gunners boss Mikel Arteta has made Rice one of his main transfer targets, with suggestions that a deal was close.

However, it is understood the initial offer for the 24-year-old has left the Hammers unimpressed as it contains a number of clauses.

Sources at West Ham do expect further communication from Arsenal, although they are also anticipating an offer from Manchester City.

City are refusing to comment on potential interest in Rice.

There is uncertainty over the futures of City captain Ilkay Gundogan and team-mate Bernardo Silva, which could force the club's manager, Pep Guardiola, into the transfer market.

West Ham chairman David Sullivan has said he is "99%" sure that Rice, who captained the Hammers to victory in the Europa Conference League earlier this month, will leave the club this summer.

Rice has played 245 games and scored 15 goals for West Ham, having made his debut in the 2016-17 season after coming through the academy.

He has been capped 41 times by England, playing in all five of their matches at last winter's World Cup.

Rice has one year left on his contract, although the Hammers have the option to extend that until the summer of 2025, leaving them in a strong position to negotiate a substantial transfer fee.

So all the informal talks were Arsenal said they didn't want to mess west ham around and also not get into a bidding war. What happens they make a low offer. Usual Edu disaster class in coming.

 

[Mamoon]

If rice comes in xhaka will be leaving. Is rice a better player? Yes.

But in reality all that happens is the team is in same situation with a good starting 11 and average rotation options for 4 competitions.

Jorginho had a few decent games but was also mediocre at times. Also Arteta didn't even use him in games like Anfield.

Elneny is mediocre and isn't going to add any depth.

On top of that Arsenal will again be in situation where they will need to keep partey fit all season.

Also their is the Afcons in January which means partey and elneny will be away for a month which means Arsenal midfield options would be jorghino and xhaka (or a new signing)

We saw Arsensl make a pigs ear of things 2 years ago when partey and elneny went to Afcons and were left with xhaka and lakonga. Xhaka end up getting suspended.

Pathetic squad management. The same thing will repeat itself January next year.

The signing of Jorginho meant Arsenal had sufficient depth in center midfield. The main objective was to upgrade Xhaka’s position and that will happen with Rice’s signing.

Although it is very likely that one additional midfielder will be signed considering the AFCON situation.

 

[Mamoon]

Comparing havertz to ozil . Same ozil that Arteta was unable to get any decent performances out of.

We've heard all your "it's in the bag" and "it's a done deal" posts.

The title was in bag in February! * you never learn from your wild statements.

Gudogan and bernado are likely to leave city, city are looking to offer Phillips to west ham as well as part of a rice deal.

Gundogan and Bernardo are not Rice’s competition. He will not be a guaranteed starter at City as long as Rodri and Stones are there and they have no reason to leave and City have no reason to sell them.

If Rice goes to City it means he has no zero ambition and would be content winning trophies sitting on the bench like Phillips, who committed career suicide by leaving Leeds for City and his stock crashed.

Fortunately, Rice is cut from a different cloth and has different mentality. The fact that he rejected Bayern who would have guaranteed him easy trophies means that he is not one of those players who is only interested in adding trophies to his resume even if he is not playing a pivotal role.

He is very astute and he has no reason to pick City over Arsenal at this stage of his career.

As far as Ozil is concerned, he was mentally checked out and already half-retired. He had no hunger and ambition anymore and Arteta did the right thing to kick him out.

Havertz is only 24, his best years are ahead of him and you would back Arteta to unlock his potential. It could prove to be masterstroke and if it doesn’t work out you can always sell him to a German team in a couple of years.

 

[topspin]

Gundogan and Bernardo are not Rice’s competition. He will not be a guaranteed starter at City as long as Rodri and Stones are there and they have no reason to leave and City have no reason to sell them.

If Rice goes to City it means he has no zero ambition and would be content winning trophies sitting on the bench like Phillips, who committed career suicide by leaving Leeds for City and his stock crashed.

Fortunately, Rice is cut from a different cloth and has different mentality. The fact that he rejected Bayern who would have guaranteed him easy trophies means that he is not one of those players who is only interested in adding trophies to his resume even if he is not playing a pivotal role.

He is very astute and he has no reason to pick City over Arsenal at this stage of his career.

As far as Ozil is concerned, he was mentally checked out and already half-retired. He had no hunger and ambition anymore and Arteta did the right thing to kick him out.

Havertz is only 24, his best years are ahead of him and you would back Arteta to unlock his potential. It could prove to be masterstroke and if it doesn’t work out you can always sell him to a German team in a couple of years.

We've seen what Pep has done to Grealish who wasn't up to the mark last season and we've also seen what he's done with Stones who wasn't great when he first joined City.

If Pep decides to retain Kalvin Philips for another season, it'll be interesting to see how he performs in 23/24. I reckon Pep will do his magic and he'll come out as a much better player but not sure if he'll break into the first team.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal wanting to pay rice fee over 4 years, West ham want it paid in 2 years. Usual rubbish from Arsenal.

Watch City (who earned 270M for winning treble) blow Arsenal out of water and pay most of fee upfront.

Kronkes will never change

Rice to City
Caciedo to chelsea

Watch edu sign some mediocre Portuguese speaking garbage back up option instead

Arteta won't get any of his 1st choice targets with this clown edu in charge

 

[topspin]

Arsenal wanting to pay rice fee over 4 years, West ham want it paid in 2 years. Usual rubbish from Arsenal.

Watch City (who earned 270M for winning treble) blow Arsenal out of water and pay most of fee upfront.

Kronkes will never change

Rice to City
Caciedo to chelsea

Watch edu sign some mediocre Portuguese speaking garbage back up option instead

Arteta won't get any of his 1st choice targets with this clown edu in charge

Edu is the biggest liability at Arsenal.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Gundogan and Bernardo are not Rice’s competition. He will not be a guaranteed starter at City as long as Rodri and Stones are there and they have no reason to leave and City have no reason to sell them.

If Rice goes to City it means he has no zero ambition and would be content winning trophies sitting on the bench like Phillips, who committed career suicide by leaving Leeds for City and his stock crashed.

Fortunately, Rice is cut from a different cloth and has different mentality. The fact that he rejected Bayern who would have guaranteed him easy trophies means that he is not one of those players who is only interested in adding trophies to his resume even if he is not playing a pivotal role.

He is very astute and he has no reason to pick City over Arsenal at this stage of his career.

As far as Ozil is concerned, he was mentally checked out and already half-retired. He had no hunger and ambition anymore and Arteta did the right thing to kick him out.

Havertz is only 24, his best years are ahead of him and you would back Arteta to unlock his potential. It could prove to be masterstroke and if it doesn’t work out you can always sell him to a German team in a couple of years.

If rice goes to City he has no ambition * yeah going to best team in Europe and PL is not showing ambition is it?

He should join a team that specialises in bottling things at business end of season.

Rice has already won a European trophy, he would have no chance of doing that at Arsenal. Arteta already had had his pants taken down in europa league.

Also their is a bigger guarantee of winning title at City, then at Arsenal where club hasnt won it for 20 years.

Yet another comedy gem statement from you.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Edu is the biggest liability at Arsenal.

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I've said this all along but his cheerleaders mamoon, immy69 and firebat will defend this again and again.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Reports are indicating Antoine griezmanm has a 22M release clause in his current contract.

James maddison has 1 year left on his contract.

Both would be better options then kai havertz.

 

[topspin]

Reports are indicating Antoine griezmanm has a 22M release clause in his current contract.

James maddison has 1 year left on his contract.

Both would be better options then kai havertz.

I would love to have Maddison at Arsenal. He's exactly what we need to keep Odegaard working hard especially in those big away games and when it gets physical in midfield.

If we're looking at 32 year olds like Griezmann, I would only take Gundorgen in his age bracket.

I don't want Havertz at Arsenal. You may as well as fund Chelsea one of their signings.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I would love to have Maddison at Arsenal. He's exactly what we need to keep Odegaard working hard especially in those big away games and when it gets physical in midfield.

If we're looking at 32 year olds like Griezmann, I would only take Gundorgen in his age bracket.

I don't want Havertz at Arsenal. You may as well as fund Chelsea one of their signings.

Chelsea was 75M for havertz and 70M for mount. Both players are trash and not worth more then 10M each.

Add to that Chelsea are desperate to sell, they need to sell as many players as possible before end of June in order for sales to register in same FFP cycle. Any club stupid enough to buy of Chelsea should make them wait to end of June. Any stupid price will come down.

Chelsea will use Amy funds to sign caciedo. Just shows how stupid Arsenal and United are. Arsenal looking to waste 60M on a PL flop, the club never learns.

I'd defo taken gudogan on a free I mentioned that a while ago.

With leciester relegated. You could probably get Maddison for 40M which is a bargain for a player whose performed well last 2 seasons and would improve the team / squad.

 

[Mamoon]

We've seen what Pep has done to Grealish who wasn't up to the mark last season and we've also seen what he's done with Stones who wasn't great when he first joined City.

If Pep decides to retain Kalvin Philips for another season, it'll be interesting to see how he performs in 23/24. I reckon Pep will do his magic and he'll come out as a much better player but not sure if he'll break into the first team.

The difference is that Grealish was signed as a first team regular not as someone who will add depth and provide an option from the bench.

Kalvin Phillips was signed to provide cover to Rodri and Stones who are roughly the same age. He left his position as a talismanic figure at Leeds to warm the bench at City in the prime of his career.

I hope he enjoyed the treble because his contribution was not greater than Noel Gallagher’s.

If Rice wants to commit a similar career suicide at the age of 24 good luck to him.

 

[Mamoon]

Edu is the biggest liability at Arsenal.

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Yeah, let’s ignore how he managed to convince Real Madrid to sell Odegaard for 30m only. That is at least 50m below his actual valuation.

This is what an agenda looks like. Every Sporting Director makes good and bad deals. It is part of the business. Edu is not the devil some people make him look to be.

 

[Mamoon]

If rice goes to City he has no ambition * yeah going to best team in Europe and PL is not showing ambition is it?

He should join a team that specialises in bottling things at business end of season.

Rice has already won a European trophy, he would have no chance of doing that at Arsenal. Arteta already had had his pants taken down in europa league.

Also their is a bigger guarantee of winning title at City, then at Arsenal where club hasnt won it for 20 years.

Yet another comedy gem statement from you.

Yes, going to City to win titles by being a backup player who is warming the bench most of the time would indicate that Rice lacks ambition.

He is 24, about to enter the prime of his career and if he chooses between winning titles at City from the bench over being a talismanic figure at Arsenal and challenge City, it would show that he lacks ambition.

However, the fact that he rejected Bayern clearly shows that he is not one of those players who would prioritize trophies over being a key figure in the team.

 

[Firebat]

I've said this all along but his cheerleaders mamoon, immy69 and firebat will defend this �� again and again.

Once again I request you to show me where I've been an Edu cheerleader. I'm still waiting for my post where I'm Odegaard's biggest fan boy and said Xhaka should be offered a brand new deal. Also I'm waiting for your Netflix stand up special )

 

[Mamoon]

Reports are indicating Antoine griezmanm has a 22M release clause in his current contract.

James maddison has 1 year left on his contract.

Both would be better options than kai havertz.

Griezmann is a top player but he is 32. His best years are behind him.

Havertz is 24 and he could explode over the next few years under the right circumstances. Look at what happened with Salah. If he goes somewhere else and is able to recapture the ability he showed at Leverkusen, he will become another “what if” for Arsenal and we have seen plenty of them over the years.

Maddison is a good player and at the right age but he doesn’t have the ceiling of Havertz. He will never interest teams like Madrid and Bayern like Havertz.

Havertz vs Maddison is an easy decision.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yes, going to City to win titles by being a backup player who is warming the bench most of the time would indicate that Rice lacks ambition.

He is 24, about to enter the prime of his career and if he chooses between winning titles at City from the bench over being a talismanic figure at Arsenal and challenge City, it would show that he lacks ambition.

However, the fact that he rejected Bayern clearly shows that he is not one of those players who would prioritize trophies over being a key figure in the team.

The fact he rejected Bayern is because he's got a young family and didn't want to move to Germany, a huge factor which you conveniently ignored.

At Man city he would get massively improved as a player under Pep, so he would learn ever more skills and rolls so would be a huge benefit. Stop making out as though RIce wouldn't develop etc..

Pep ain't going to sign a 100M player to have him sit on the bench

 

[Amjid Javed]

Once again I request you to show me where I've been an Edu cheerleader. I'm still waiting for my post where I'm Odegaard's biggest fan boy and said Xhaka should be offered a brand new deal. Also I'm waiting for your Netflix stand up special )

Only Mamoon does comedy stand up here

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yeah, let’s ignore how he managed to convince Real Madrid to sell Odegaard for 30m only. That is at least 50m below his actual valuation.

This is what an agenda looks like. Every Sporting Director makes good and bad deals. It is part of the business. Edu is not the devil some people make him look to be.

So you pick one good example and ignore all the big transfer deals he's messed up *

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal no longer interested in Caicedo *, when RIce goes to City both Edu and Arteta can then look like the pair of clowns that they are.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Griezmann is a top player but he is 32. His best years are behind him.

Havertz is 24 and he could explode over the next few years under the right circumstances. Look at what happened with Salah. If he goes somewhere else and is able to recapture the ability he showed at Leverkusen, he will become another “what if” for Arsenal and we have seen plenty of them over the years.

Maddison is a good player and at the right age but he doesn’t have the ceiling of Havertz. He will never interest teams like Madrid and Bayern like Havertz.

Havertz vs Maddison is an easy decision.

Arteta the fraud is probably promising havertz he will win CL within 3 years, just like he did Willian.

Gallas, cech, Luiz, jorginho, the list of has been that Arsenal have embarrassingly taken from Chelsea.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Interesting that when mesut ozil spoke out against what was happening against Muslims in China. The club said they don't get involved in ant politics and proceeded to keep him out of side due to China saying they would not televise games.

Now you have cry baby Zinchenko talking politics on the piers Morgan show, let's see Arsenal's stance here. Bet they don't censor the player or say anything about political statements now

 

[Amjid Javed]

Griezmann is a top player but he is 32. His best years are behind him.

Havertz is 24 and he could explode over the next few years under the right circumstances. Look at what happened with Salah. If he goes somewhere else and is able to recapture the ability he showed at Leverkusen, he will become another “what if” for Arsenal and we have seen plenty of them over the years.

Maddison is a good player and at the right age but he doesn’t have the ceiling of Havertz. He will never interest teams like Madrid and Bayern like Havertz.

Havertz vs Maddison is an easy decision.

Arsenal need to get all their transfers spot on thus transfer window, they can't afford mediocre outcomes like tavares, lakonga, tomayassu, Vieira etc.. and your advocating for Arsenal to waste 60M on a PL flop and your response is that if he flops he can be sold to a German Club. No German clubs are going are pay 50-60M for him if he flops.

Lampard, tuchel and Potter all gave him regular starts and he's been utter garbage, go online and listen to most Chelsea fans and they are all saying he's one of the most players they have ever signed.

I'm sure you will have lots more excuses when this dog **** player flops again. 60M for a so called depth player *

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal are making an improved offer of £100m for Declan Rice after seeing their first bid rejected. The new offer is expected to guarantee West Ham in the region of £90m plus extra payments that will take the total to £100m.

SamiMokbel81_DM

 

[Firebat]

Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea could all enter the bidding war for West Ham's 24-year-old England midfielder Declan Rice after Arsenal's initial £90m bid was turned down. (Telegraph)

Arsenal are continuing to prioritise a deal for Rice and have therefore pulled out of the race to sign 21-year-old Brighton and Ecuador midfielder Moises Caicedo. (Times)

Chelsea and Germany forward Kai Havertz, 24, has agreed personal terms with Arsenal, who are yet to finalise a deal with the Blues. (Fabrizio Romano)

 

[Rana]

Havertz is a good signing. Highly talented player

 

[Mamoon]

Arsenal need to get all their transfers spot on thus transfer window, they can't afford mediocre outcomes like tavares, lakonga, tomayassu, Vieira etc.. and your advocating for Arsenal to waste 60M on a PL flop and your response is that if he flops he can be sold to a German Club. No German clubs are going are pay 50-60M for him if he flops.

Lampard, tuchel and Potter all gave him regular starts and he's been utter garbage, go online and listen to most Chelsea fans and they are all saying he's one of the most players they have ever signed.

I'm sure you will have lots more excuses when this dog **** player flops again. 60M for a so called depth player *

There is a long list of legendary players who were “rejected” by other clubs or failed for other reasons but things worked out for them elsewhere.

Salah and De Bruyne are both Chelsea “rejects”.

Thierry Henry flopped as a wide forward at Juventus. Milan discarded Patrick Vieira after just a few games because they didn’t have faith in him.

Bergkamp and Roberto Carlos flopped at Inter.

I could go on and on and on.

The more I think about it, I feel Havertz will not just add depth to the squad but he is probably going to be utilized as a #8.

Arsenal need another creative outlet in the middle because they can be overly dependent on Odegaard. This is one of the limitations they had with Xhaka last season, he has limited quality on the ball.

Havertz has the characteristics to play a dynamic role in that position. The Premier League is not ready for Odegaard and Havertz interlinking with Rice shielding them and Zinchenko doing what he does best on the ball.

The football is going to be breathtaking and fluid. Arsenal have always viewed Caicedo as an alternative/backup to Rice. You cannot have both of them play together. You need more creativity in the middle and Havertz and Odegaard will provide that with their linkup.

 

[Amjid Javed]

There is a long list of legendary players who were “rejected” by other clubs or failed for other reasons but things worked out for them elsewhere.

Salah and De Bruyne are both Chelsea “rejects”.

Thierry Henry flopped as a wide forward at Juventus. Milan discarded Patrick Vieira after just a few games because they didn’t have faith in him.

Bergkamp and Roberto Carlos flopped at Inter.

I could go on and on and on.

The more I think about it, I feel Havertz will not just add depth to the squad but he is probably going to be utilized as a #8.

Arsenal need another creative outlet in the middle because they can be overly dependent on Odegaard. This is one of the limitations they had with Xhaka last season, he has limited quality on the ball.

Havertz has the characteristics to play a dynamic role in that position. The Premier League is not ready for Odegaard and Havertz interlinking with Rice shielding them and Zinchenko doing what he does best on the ball.

The football is going to be breathtaking and fluid. Arsenal have always viewed Caicedo as an alternative/backup to Rice. You cannot have both of them play together. You need more creativity in the middle and Havertz and Odegaard will provide that with their linkup.

Havertz creativity is mediocre as well, so don't get where your delusional fantasy is coming from that havertz is some sort of huge creative outlet. Add to that havertz is poor physically as well, so playing in a 8 position he will get bullied for fun. Even oddegard struggles on that aspect when games get tough and physical and he's starts bottling challenges and dissapears in games.

Mam city are sign kovacic and gvaridol so will be even stronger. Arsenal signing ***** havertz ain't bridging the gap between 2 sides.

I'm sure your usual monthly flip flop excuses will be rolled out

 

[Amjid Javed]

There is a long list of legendary players who were “rejected” by other clubs or failed for other reasons but things worked out for them elsewhere.

Salah and De Bruyne are both Chelsea “rejects”.

Thierry Henry flopped as a wide forward at Juventus. Milan discarded Patrick Vieira after just a few games because they didn’t have faith in him.

Bergkamp and Roberto Carlos flopped at Inter.

I could go on and on and on.

The more I think about it, I feel Havertz will not just add depth to the squad but he is probably going to be utilized as a #8.

Arsenal need another creative outlet in the middle because they can be overly dependent on Odegaard. This is one of the limitations they had with Xhaka last season, he has limited quality on the ball.

Havertz has the characteristics to play a dynamic role in that position. The Premier League is not ready for Odegaard and Havertz interlinking with Rice shielding them and Zinchenko doing what he does best on the ball.

The football is going to be breathtaking and fluid. Arsenal have always viewed Caicedo as an alternative/backup to Rice. You cannot have both of them play together. You need more creativity in the middle and Havertz and Odegaard will provide that with their linkup.

your comparing proven world class talents of past with havertz. I suggest you go seek medical help and counselling.

I've heard some delude nonsense in 20 years of PP, but this is by far you most comical post ever.

 

[MenInG]

Arsenal's second bid for Declan Rice is expected to be over £100m, with Manchester City also monitoring the midfielder

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

������ your comparing proven world class talents of past with havertz. I suggest you go seek medical help and counselling.

I've heard some delude nonsense in 20 years of PP, but this is by far you most comical post ever.

Well, Mohammed Salah and KDB were both having a similar sort of struggle that Havertz had, or even worse in fact, since those two played few matches for Chelsea (I think)

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal's second bid for Declan Rice is expected to be over £100m, with Manchester City also monitoring the midfielder

Gudogan is leaving city. Bernado Silva in discussions to go to man city.

Won't be shocked if city bid for Rice now well Arsenal dither in Transfer market as usual.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well, Mohammed Salah and KDB were both having a similar sort of struggle that Havertz had, or even worse in fact, since those two played few matches for Chelsea (I think)

Salah nor KDB were ever going to get into chelsea team at the time they were at the club. Chelsea back that had a huge wealth of attackers and no need to pick either unproven player.

Havertz has played regularly for chelsea for 3 year. Both lampard and tuchel used havertz as a key starter and he's been a huge flop. Most chelsea fans are glad to be rid of him and don't even think he's worth 30M let alone 60M.

Some seriously lame and weak excuses being used to justify why Arsensl should sign another Chelsea flop.

Arsenal need players who are 1st team quality and can make a difference. Havertz is a mediocre garbage player his creation and finishing starts are atrocious.

Fans over hyping Artetas so called talent id etc.. when their is a huge list of players he failed to get a tune out off. Arsenal can't afford yet another hit and miss transfer window.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well, Mohammed Salah and KDB were both having a similar sort of struggle that Havertz had, or even worse in fact, since those two played few matches for Chelsea (I think)

Did salah or KDB play regularly at Chelsea for 2 or 3 seasons? What a stupid comparison **.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Mikel Arteta noted how his side were occasionally outmatched physically in last season’s run-in & has sought to bolster the power of his side. Arsenal are not that advanced with Romeo Lavia, but are seen as his MOST LIKELY next club. [MiguelDelaney]

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Only 19 but amazing young player, whilst we do need more experience, this is one young signing I wouldn't say no to.

 

[Amjid Javed]

William Saliba’s contract extension at Arsenal: Here We Go. The documents have been approved & paperwork will be signed once the player returns from holiday later this month. Saliba’s new deal will be until 2027, with an option of a further year. [FabrizioRomano]

 

[MenInG]

Arsenal have confirmed the departures of 10 players in their retained list - but negotiations are ongoing for Reiss Nelson over a potential new contract.

The Gunners ended the 2022/23 Premier League season in second, which was their highest finish in seven years. They were in a title race with Manchester City for the majority of the campaign, before falling short as Pep Guardiola's side claimed the title for the third successive season.

But it was a much-improved campaign for the Gunners as they qualified for the Champions League for the first time since 2017 and Arteta is aiming to bring in more quality this summer. As he does that, Arsenal will lose several players at the end of their contracts this month.

Ainsley Maitland-Niles is the most high-profile player that will be definitely depart. The 25-year-old spent the past campaign on loan at relegated Southampton after 20 years at the Gunners. He came through the famous Hale End academy before making his Arsenal debut in December 2014.

After the game, Arteta decided to heap praise on Maitland-Niles. He said: "First of all, I see a different player in terms of his urgency, his commitment, the clarity in his play, his purpose. Since we made the decision (to keep him), it was clear what I was seeing that I wanted him to stay, because he was going to be useful.

"He has a huge talent because he’s versatile enough to adapt to almost any position on the pitch. Today we made use of him to do what he had to do in the game, which was really important."

Arteta soon lost faith in Maitland-Niles, however, and exiled him from first-team affairs. "Ainsley needs to put his head down and work hard," the Arsenal boss said in March 2020 when questioned why Maitland-Niles had not featured of late. "Show me every day in training that he wants it more than anyone else, he wants to play for this club and fight for his place."

The player then publicly declared his wish to leave Arsenal on social media in August 2021, but was kept at the club despite interest from Everton. Maitland-Niles is free to look for another club now though, having made 26 appearances in all competitions for Southampton as they were relegated to the Championship. He has been linked with a return to St Mary's Stadium, but could also stay in the Premier League.

As for the other nine players that have been released, Zach Awe, Joel Ideho, George Lewis, Matt Smith and Tom Smith, Kaleel Green, Alexandar Kovacevic, Tino Quamina and Mathaeus Roberts will all leave on June 30.

Nelson's contract runs out later this month but the club have confirmed that negotiations are ongoing to strike a new deal for the winger, who impressed last season. The 23-year-old scored just four times last term but one of those was the last-minute winner against Bournemouth in March.

Mirror

 

[Kroll]

Did salah or KDB play regularly at Chelsea for 2 or 3 seasons? What a stupid comparison ��*��*.

Yup, a lot of people don't/didn't realise they were even there. They were just kids starting out their careers.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yup, a lot of people don't/didn't realise they were even there. They were just kids starting out their careers.

Exactly my point at the time Chelsea had Drogba then Costa. Willian, hazard, cesc etc.. they had no need for unproven salah and KDB.

Havertz has played 3 full seasons at Chelsea and has been atrocious. 1 good season at Leverkusen and people seem to think if Arsenal are dumb enough to sign him he's going to be amazing

Arsenal make CL and finish 2nd. This is when teams need to sign players to next level. Arsenal are looking at havertz and castagne. Shows how useless people in charge of club are.

In comparison when Liverpool fell short in CL final and chasing man city, they went and signed fabhino and Allison. Players who elevated the team.

City are likely to let walker, gudogan, Bernardo go and are bring in gavidol and kovacic and probably one more top class midfielders. City are making themselves stronger while Arsenal embarrasse themselves.

Reminds of when Arsenal were after vardy and kante and end up with xhaka, mustafa and lucas Perez.

This club never learns, after this season they will go back to "self sustaining model" so the mess this TW up they will go backwards and fast.

 

[topspin]

The summer window has only just begun and it has been nothing but a shambles from Edu as per usual.

We should've sealed Declan Rice by now. If we had done, we could've sealed Caicedo but instead he's going to Chelsea.

These two players were right at the top of Arsenal's priority list. So for me, missing out on any of these two is suffice to say that this transfer window can already be declared as a failure.

We lack the leadership and physical presence in midfield to boss some of those tough physical encounters, such as Everton at Goodison Park. So missing out on any of these midfielders is just unacceptable when we've had our best season since 2016.

The proposed acquisition of Havertz is basically us helping them fund the Caicedo transfer. I say that because this German player is useless just like Werner was. We may as well give £50m-£60m to Chelsea as a charity donation.

Absolute shambles.

Anyone backing Edu and the signing of Havertz is also part of the problem at this club.

 

[topspin]

Exactly my point at the time Chelsea had Drogba then Costa. Willian, hazard, cesc etc.. they had no need for unproven salah and KDB.

Havertz has played 3 full seasons at Chelsea and has been atrocious. 1 good season at Leverkusen and people seem to think if Arsenal are dumb enough to sign him he's going to be amazing

Arsenal make CL and finish 2nd. This is when teams need to sign players to next level. Arsenal are looking at havertz and castagne. Shows how useless people in charge of club are.

In comparison when Liverpool fell short in CL final and chasing man city, they went and signed fabhino and Allison. Players who elevated the team.

City are likely to let walker, gudogan, Bernardo go and are bring in gavidol and kovacic and probably one more top class midfielders. City are making themselves stronger while Arsenal embarrasse themselves.

Reminds of when Arsenal were after vardy and kante and end up with xhaka, mustafa and lucas Perez.

This club never learns, after this season they will go back to "self sustaining model" so the mess this TW up they will go backwards and fast.

Barring the signing of Jorgino, Chelsea for some reason always seems to scam us. This Havertz is one of the main reasons why Chelsea have been so poor in recent times.

If Arteta really does think highly of Havertz, at least be smart about it. Bid no more than £30m and get the player to force his way out if he really wants to come to the Emirates so bad. I have no idea why we're showing so much urgency to get this over the line. He'll be a bench player at Arsenal.

Brainless is the word that comes to mind.

 

[topspin]

There is a long list of legendary players who were “rejected” by other clubs or failed for other reasons but things worked out for them elsewhere.

Salah and De Bruyne are both Chelsea “rejects”.

Thierry Henry flopped as a wide forward at Juventus. Milan discarded Patrick Vieira after just a few games because they didn’t have faith in him.

Bergkamp and Roberto Carlos flopped at Inter.

I could go on and on and on.

The more I think about it, I feel Havertz will not just add depth to the squad but he is probably going to be utilized as a #8.

Arsenal need another creative outlet in the middle because they can be overly dependent on Odegaard. This is one of the limitations they had with Xhaka last season, he has limited quality on the ball.

Havertz has the characteristics to play a dynamic role in that position. The Premier League is not ready for Odegaard and Havertz interlinking with Rice shielding them and Zinchenko doing what he does best on the ball.

The football is going to be breathtaking and fluid. Arsenal have always viewed Caicedo as an alternative/backup to Rice. You cannot have both of them play together. You need more creativity in the middle and Havertz and Odegaard will provide that with their linkup.

Mamoon, are you actually a troll?

I regard you to be very knowledge when it comes to football matters but this is a shocker.

I think you're trolling because I know you're more intelligent than this.

 

[topspin]

The summer window has only just begun and it has been nothing but a shambles from Edu as per usual.

We should've sealed Declan Rice by now. If we had done, we could've sealed Caicedo but instead he's going to Chelsea.

These two players were right at the top of Arsenal's priority list. So for me, missing out on any of these two is suffice to say that this transfer window can already be declared as a failure.

We lack the leadership and physical presence in midfield to boss some of those tough physical encounters, such as Everton at Goodison Park. So missing out on any of these midfielders is just unacceptable when we've had our best season since 2016.

The proposed acquisition of Havertz is basically us helping them fund the Caicedo transfer. I say that because this German player is useless just like Werner was. We may as well give £50m-£60m to Chelsea as a charity donation.

Absolute shambles.

Anyone backing Edu and the signing of Havertz is also part of the problem at this club.

To add, I think Edu will choke on Rice.

Pun intended

 

[topspin]

Griezmann is a top player but he is 32. His best years are behind him.

Havertz is 24 and he could explode over the next few years under the right circumstances. Look at what happened with Salah. If he goes somewhere else and is able to recapture the ability he showed at Leverkusen, he will become another “what if” for Arsenal and we have seen plenty of them over the years.

Maddison is a good player and at the right age but he doesn’t have the ceiling of Havertz. He will never interest teams like Madrid and Bayern like Havertz.

Havertz vs Maddison is an easy decision.

This might be true but Maddison is a better deal at present.

Havertz is more of an out and out gamble.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The summer window has only just begun and it has been nothing but a shambles from Edu as per usual.

We should've sealed Declan Rice by now. If we had done, we could've sealed Caicedo but instead he's going to Chelsea.

These two players were right at the top of Arsenal's priority list. So for me, missing out on any of these two is suffice to say that this transfer window can already be declared as a failure.

We lack the leadership and physical presence in midfield to boss some of those tough physical encounters, such as Everton at Goodison Park. So missing out on any of these midfielders is just unacceptable when we've had our best season since 2016.

The proposed acquisition of Havertz is basically us helping them fund the Caicedo transfer. I say that because this German player is useless just like Werner was. We may as well give £50m-£60m to Chelsea as a charity donation.

Absolute shambles.

Anyone backing Edu and the signing of Havertz is also part of the problem at this club.

To add to the Edu is a fraud...

So Arsenal have been in discussions since January with Rice.

West ham want 110-120M for him
West ham want the transfer fee paid, with most of it up front, ideally 2 years.

So Arsenal who have been having informal talks, and didn't want to bid until they had an idea of what West ham wanted etc..

Arsenal didn't want a bidding war.

So what do Arsenal do, they bid 80M plus 10M add ons (10M based on winning PL, CL)

Arsenal wanted to pay 80M over 6 years, which is about 15M a year.

West ham said at start they wanted money paid quickly

This just highlights how unserious and pathetic Arsenal are in doing transfers. West Ham called the bid and rightly so.

But you will still get clowns defending Edu.

 

[Amjid Javed]

This might be true but Maddison is a better deal at present.

Havertz is more of an out and out gamble.

Exactly spot on maddision is PL proven and that's what Arsenal need this summer.

 

[topspin]

Yeah, let’s ignore how he managed to convince Real Madrid to sell Odegaard for 30m only. That is at least 50m below his actual valuation.

This is what an agenda looks like. Every Sporting Director makes good and bad deals. It is part of the business. Edu is not the devil some people make him look to be.

At the time, Odegaard was worth £30m. You could argue less because I remember during his loan spell at Arsenal, he was underwhelming to say the least.

But he's turned out to be a terrific signing and credit has to be given to Arteta for helping him raise his game.

I just wish he wasn't made captain because for me he can't boss the midfield in those more difficult physical encounters, such as Everton at Goodison Park, if anything he can go missing, so doesn't strike me as the most suitable leader out of the players in the first team.

Also, I think ESR, if he can stay fit, is capable of displacing him if he develops and reaches his potential.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So Arsenal now bidding 101M (91M + add ons)

Doing the suarez type bid 40M plus £1

I hope west ham tell Arsenal where to go here. Pathetic bidding

 

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Exactly spot on maddision is PL proven and that's what Arsenal need this summer.

Chelsea are literally ripping us off and taking us for some mugs.

I'm no transfer negotiator but even I know that if I see Leicester selling Maddison for £40m, there's no way Havertz should be bought for more than £30m. That's common sense.

The fact that Arsenal aren't even looking for a cut price for him speaks volumes about Edu's credentials and incompetence.

Yes Maddison has one year left but as you say he's PL proven.

 

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To add to the Edu is a fraud...

So Arsenal have been in discussions since January with Rice.

West ham want 110-120M for him
West ham want the transfer fee paid, with most of it up front, ideally 2 years.

So Arsenal who have been having informal talks, and didn't want to bid until they had an idea of what West ham wanted etc..

Arsenal didn't want a bidding war.

So what do Arsenal do, they bid 80M plus 10M add ons (10M based on winning PL, CL)

Arsenal wanted to pay 80M over 6 years, which is about 15M a year.

West ham said at start they wanted money paid quickly

This just highlights how unserious and pathetic Arsenal are in doing transfers. West Ham called the bid and rightly so.

But you will still get clowns defending Edu.

Exactly that and that will affect our future dealings with these clubs if we keep messing them around like that.

 

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Barring the signing of Jorgino, Chelsea for some reason always seems to scam us. This Havertz is one of the main reasons why Chelsea have been so poor in recent times.

If Arteta really does think highly of Havertz, at least be smart about it. Bid no more than £30m and get the player to force his way out if he really wants to come to the Emirates so bad. I have no idea why we're showing so much urgency to get this over the line. He'll be a bench player at Arsenal.

Brainless is the word that comes to mind.

Exactly no Chelsea player we have taken have been in their prime or even performing at a decent level. Yet Chelsea have taken plenty of players in their prime.

City have now bid 80M plus a player for Rice.

Arsenal bid 91M plus 10M

I can see city increasing their bid and Rice will be a City player.

 

[topspin]

So Arsenal now bidding 101M (91M + add ons)

Doing the suarez type bid 40M plus £1

I hope west ham tell Arsenal where to go here. Pathetic bidding

If this gets rejected, I can see Arsenal giving up on Rice and that's what I think will pan out from all this.

Missing out on Caicedo and Rice would make my assessment of this transfer window go from failure to a complete disaster.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Chelsea are literally ripping us off and taking us for some mugs.

I'm no transfer negotiator but even I know that if I see Leicester selling Maddison for £40m, there's no way Havertz should be bought for more than £30m. That's common sense.

The fact that Arsenal aren't even looking for a cut price for him speaks volumes about Edu's credentials and incompetence.

Yes Maddison has one year left but as you say he's PL proven.

Arsenal are looking to bid 55M for havertz which is just plain stupid, yet another transfer window which will be a shambles.

These owners won't sack Edu, and Artetas talent ID is mediocre to say the least.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If this gets rejected, I can see Arsenal giving up on Rice and that's what I think will pan out from all this.

Missing out on Caicedo and Rice would make my assessment of this transfer window go from failure to a complete disaster.

Plan B would be zubimendi who don't want to leave, so basically Arsensl will be in deep ****. Also if they go back in for caciedo, brighton will demand 100M that we were bidding for Rice.

 

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Exactly no Chelsea player we have taken have been in their prime or even performing at a decent level. Yet Chelsea have taken plenty of players in their prime.

City have now bid 80M plus a player for Rice.

Arsenal bid 91M plus 10M

I can see city increasing their bid and Rice will be a City player.

We know where this is going. It's Mudryk all over again, and it all started because we took our time to put our first bid which was nothing short of an insulting offer to West Ham.

 

[Mamoon]

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Arsenal fans need to understand something - Rice AND Caicedo were never options for Arsenal. There was absolutely no chance of Arsenal signing both players.

They are both brilliant ball-winners and having them both in the team would add a lot of defensive solidity but it would also hamper Arsenal’s creativity and incisiveness going forward.

The plan for this summer has always been to upgrade Xhaka with a more creative and technical LCM and upgrade Partey with a stronger, fitter and more athletic CDM (Rice/Caicedo).

Arsenal’s first priority has been Rice not because he is a much better player than Caicedo but because he has a better profile.

He is English and a natural leader. He will probably be a future England captain as well and Arsenal haven’t had a talismanic English leader since Tony Adams.

Arsenal have been in talks with both Rice and Caicedo but they have cooled off their interest after having breakthrough talks with West Ham over Rice. They would have gone all in for Caicedo if they had any doubts over Rice’s future.

I know it is frustrating to see the move getting dragged on and I can understand the nervousness, but all the involved parties - Arsenal, West Ham, Rice and his representatives - know that it will go through.

We have to understand that West Ham can afford to milk Arsenal as much as they can because Rice will not force or pressurize them. He is not that type of a character. He is not going to formally hand a transfer request out of respect for the club.

Rice wants Arsenal, Arsenal wants Rice and West Ham knows they can make Arsenal pay more than they want to or intend to.

As far as as Havertz is concerned, Arsenal initially identified Mount as their primary target for the LCM/#8 position as a direct replacement for Xhaka. However, they have turned their attention to Havertz because Mount’s preference is Old Trafford.

I wanted Havertz at Arsenal when he was at Leverkusen. I was gutted when Chelsea signed him even though Arsenal were monitoring him as well. He would have been the perfect creative outlet at a time when Ozil was frozen out of the team and Odegaard was still plying his trade in Spain.

Havertz is a very elegant, very technical player. He would fit Arsenal like a glove and he would link up really with the likes of Odegaard, Saka, Jesus, Martinelli, Zinchenko etc.

He won the UCL in his first season at Chelsea but the last two years have been difficult not just for him but for almost everyone at the club because it has been a mess.

Havertz is still highly rated because he is still doing very well for Germany and teams like Bayern and Madrid have expressed their interest in signing him.

He is only 24 with a lot of untapped potential which Arteta can unlock. If it doesn’t work out it doesn’t work out, every team makes bad transfers and this won’t be the last bad transfer Arsenal would make, but if it does work out, it will be remembered as a masterstroke by the club.

Like I said, if he goes elsewhere and they tap into the potential that he showed at Leverkusen, he will become yet another “what if” for Arsenal.

This is a unique opportunity for Arsenal to exploit on Chelsea’s situation and get hold of a player who was destined to become one of the top players in the world before he lost his way by signing for the wrong club at the wrong time.

 

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City will not bid for him because they already have the best DM in the league. Rice to Arsenal is 100% done but that won’t stop you from moaning and enlightening us how “Arteta hasn’t strengthened the squad in the summer”

Prepare for more egg on your face for yet another stupid "it's in the bag post"

City have bid 80M + a player

But you said City weren't going to bid.

Yet another example of how clueless you are.

Rice is going to City.

 

[Mamoon]

So Arsenal now bidding 101M (91M + add ons)

Doing the suarez type bid 40M plus £1

I hope west ham tell Arsenal where to go here. Pathetic bidding

We know where this is going. It's Mudryk all over again, and it all started because we took our time to put our first bid which was nothing short of an insulting offer to West Ham.

Rice will be an Arsenal player 100%. He doesn’t want to go City and West Ham will accept Arsenal’s offer.

 

[Mamoon]

So Arsenal now bidding 101M (91M + add ons)

Doing the suarez type bid 40M plus £1

I hope west ham tell Arsenal where to go here. Pathetic bidding

Prepare for more egg on your face for yet another stupid "it's in the bag post"

City have bid 80M + a player

But you said City weren't going to bid.

Yet another example of how clueless you are.

Rice is going to City.

He will not. Rice will sign for Arsenal. You can believe your fantasies but your hopes and prayers that Rice goes to City will not be fulfilled.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Rice will be an Arsenal player 100%. He doesn’t want to go City and West Ham will accept Arsenal’s offer.

West ham rejected Arsenal's 1st low ball insulting offer, no surprise when edu and Arsenal act like a small club.

 

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Arsenal fans need to understand something - Rice AND Caicedo were never options for Arsenal. There was absolutely no chance of Arsenal signing both players.

They are both brilliant ball-winners and having them both in the team would add a lot of defensive solidity but it would also hamper Arsenal’s creativity and incisiveness going forward.

The plan for this summer has always been to upgrade Xhaka with a more creative and technical LCM and upgrade Partey with a stronger, fitter and more athletic CDM (Rice/Caicedo).

Arsenal’s first priority has been Rice not because he is a much better player than Caicedo but because he has a better profile.

He is English and a natural leader. He will probably be a future England captain as well and Arsenal haven’t had a talismanic English leader since Tony Adams.

Arsenal have been in talks with both Rice and Caicedo but they have cooled off their interest after having breakthrough talks with West Ham over Rice. They would have gone all in for Caicedo if they had any doubts over Rice’s future.

I know it is frustrating to see the move getting dragged on and I can understand the nervousness, but all the involved parties - Arsenal, West Ham, Rice and his representatives - know that it will go through.

We have to understand that West Ham can afford to milk Arsenal as much as they can because Rice will not force or pressurize them. He is not that type of a character. He is not going to formally hand a transfer request out of respect for the club.

Rice wants Arsenal, Arsenal wants Rice and West Ham knows they can make Arsenal pay more than they want to or intend to.

As far as as Havertz is concerned, Arsenal initially identified Mount as their primary target for the LCM/#8 position as a direct replacement for Xhaka. However, they have turned their attention to Havertz because Mount’s preference is Old Trafford.

I wanted Havertz at Arsenal when he was at Leverkusen. I was gutted when Chelsea signed him even though Arsenal were monitoring him as well. He would have been the perfect creative outlet at a time when Ozil was frozen out of the team and Odegaard was still plying his trade in Spain.

Havertz is a very elegant, very technical player. He would fit Arsenal like a glove and he would link up really with the likes of Odegaard, Saka, Jesus, Martinelli, Zinchenko etc.

He won the UCL in his first season at Chelsea but the last two years have been difficult not just for him but for almost everyone at the club because it has been a mess.

Havertz is still highly rated because he is still doing very well for Germany and teams like Bayern and Madrid have expressed their interest in signing him.

He is only 24 with a lot of untapped potential which Arteta can unlock. If it doesn’t work out it doesn’t work out, every team makes bad transfers and this won’t be the last bad transfer Arsenal would make, but if it does work out, it will be remembered as a masterstroke by the club.

Like I said, if he goes elsewhere and they tap into the potential that he showed at Leverkusen, he will become yet another “what if” for Arsenal.

This is a unique opportunity for Arsenal to exploit on Chelsea’s situation and get hold of a player who was destined to become one of the top players in the world before he lost his way by signing for the wrong club at the wrong time.

It's about having depth so we can rotate players. Arsenal need to play their best team in the PL and UCL so signing Rice and Caicedo is exactly what we needed and this is evident by Arterta's recent admission, when he came out and said that there is a lack of physical presence and suitable leadership figures in midfield.

Time will tell if the proposed transfer for Rice to move to Arsenal goes ahead. I don't think it's looking good because we're wasting everyone's time including the player and his current club.

I disagree with your assessment on Havertz and believe me this has nothing to do with me being another PL fan who doesn't watch other leagues. I'm well versed with what goes on in Europe and honestly he's been so poor for Chelsea. What I will say he's been better for Germany but overall I certainly wouldn't want to pay more than £30m for him because his stock hasn't risen, if anything it's fallen quite significantly because his performances for Chelsea have not been good enough.

But lets say for argument sake, you're right about your assessment of Havertz's ceiling, my issue is why are we paying more for him than what Leicester are demanding for Maddison, who is well clear of Havertz. It literally makes no sense when they are at the same stage of their careers and both playing in the same league.

 

[Mamoon]

It's about having depth so we can rotate players. Arsenal need to play their best team in the PL and UCL so signing Rice and Caicedo is exactly what we needed and this is evident by Arterta's recent admission, when he came out and said that there is a lack of physical presence and suitable leadership figures in midfield.

Time will tell if the proposed transfer for Rice to move to Arsenal goes ahead. I don't think it's looking good because we're wasting everyone's time including the player and his current club.

I disagree with your assessment on Havertz and believe me this has nothing to do with me being another PL fan who doesn't watch other leagues. I'm well versed with what goes on in Europe and honestly he's been so poor for Chelsea. What I will say he's been better for Germany but overall I certainly wouldn't want to pay more than £30m for him because his stock hasn't risen, if anything it's fallen quite significantly because his performances for Chelsea have not been good enough.

But lets say for argument sake, you're right about your assessment of Havertz's ceiling, my issue is why are we paying more for him than what Leicester are demanding for Maddison, who is well clear of Havertz. It literally makes no sense when they are at the same stage of their careers and both playing in the same league.

Adding Rice while keeping Partey means Arsenal are improving depth considerably. If Partey leaves, they will sign a young CM/DM. In addition, there is an outside chance of convincing Gundogan to join (although his priority is Barcelona) so depth will not be an issue next season.

Maddison is a good player but he doesn’t have elite potential which Havertz does. At no point in his career did she show the quality that Havertz did at Leverkusen.

He is also not someone who will interest the likes of Bayern and Madrid. I would happily take him as a squad player if ESR or Nelson were leaving but if it is a choice between him and Maddison, it is an easy one. Havertz any day because you can have a proper world class player on your hands.

 

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Adding Rice while keeping Partey means Arsenal are improving depth considerably. If Partey leaves, they will sign a young CM/DM. In addition, there is an outside chance of convincing Gundogan to join (although his priority is Barcelona) so depth will not be an issue next season.

Maddison is a good player but he doesn’t have elite potential which Havertz does. At no point in his career did she show the quality that Havertz did at Leverkusen.

He is also not someone who will interest the likes of Bayern and Madrid. I would happily take him as a squad player if ESR or Nelson were leaving but if it is a choice between him and Maddison, it is an easy one. Havertz any day because you can have a proper world class player on your hands.

Havertz and world class - what an oxymoron comment if their ever was on.

Delusion at its finest