Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[Geordie Ahmed]

I get Jesus is injured but why on earth is he starting Havertz

He's not remotely clinical and it's a crucial game where you need to take your chances

The signing of Havertz and then the continual selection is what will have hurt Arsenal's season

 

[topspin]

I get Jesus is injured but why on earth is he starting Havertz

He's not remotely clinical and it's a crucial game where you need to take your chances

The signing of Havertz and then the continual selection is what will have hurt Arsenal's season

Havertz's signing will be the end of Arteta.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Havertz and Jorginho starting

I honestly don’t get the selection of Jorgino. Says a lot about Arteta’s treatment of ESR, who's not starting today after a promising outing against Forest.

Havertz played as a number 9 against Liverpool in the FA Cup and we saw how that turned out. A very odd choice by the manager.

Arteta should go manage Chelsea so he can fully fulfil his fetish for Chelsea trash.

Havertz playing up front is Arteta trying to justify the 65m he's wasted on this player.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I get Jesus is injured but why on earth is he starting Havertz

He's not remotely clinical and it's a crucial game where you need to take your chances

The signing of Havertz and then the continual selection is what will have hurt Arsenal's season

Arteta wasted 65M so he has to justify the price tag and 250k+ wages he's giving the shambolic signing

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Poor start from Van Dijk

Good start from Arsenal but we know Liverpool won't be bothered by this, this is where they excel

For Arsenal, they need to score a second whilst they are on top

 

[Amjid Javed]

Poor start from Van Dijk

Good start from Arsenal but we know Liverpool won't be bothered by this, this is where they excel

For Arsenal, they need to score a second whilst they are on top

2nd goal is a must as klopp will adjust his tactics at somepoint, Liverpool have been sluggish

 

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[Kroll]

Just popped into laugh at Arsenal. Liverpool have done diddly squat all game and still equalise to go in level at HT.

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed @topspin

This is why Arteta bought Jorginho. If not him, Elneny would be playing such games, but won’t get it.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Vital 3 points, West ham away next.

Man city can now go top if they win there 2 games in hand

 

[Mamoon]

A massive win. A massively humiliating day for Arteta haters.

Title race back on track. Today was yet another example of why Jorginho was an important signing. If he wasn’t signed, Elneny would be playing these games but some won’t get it.

What a performance by Rice. The best 100m any club has spent in a long time. The best defensive midfielder in the world right now.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed @topspin

This is why Arteta bought Jorginho. If not him, Elneny would be playing such games, but won’t get it.

Headless chicken scored again

Havertz was awful

But you conviently won't mention either

 

[Mamoon]

@topspin Martinelli had a good game by his normal standards, but he would never create and finish a goal from that situation. This is why Trossard needs to play ahead of him more often. His technique is top notch.

If only he was a bit quicker, Arsenal wouldn’t need a new LW.

 

[topspin]

@Amjid Javed @topspin

This is why Arteta bought Jorginho. If not him, Elneny would be playing such games, but won’t get it.

Lol you should sit quiet. He was Arsenal's best player but you won't acknowledge this will you?

 

[Amjid Javed]

@topspin Martinelli had a good game by his normal standards, but he would never create and finish a goal from that situation. This is why Trossard needs to play ahead of him more often. His technique is top notch.

If only he was a bit quicker, Arsenal wouldn’t need a new LW.

Trossard should played ahead of havertz who was awful but you will stay quite about that as doesn't suit your agenda.

Zinchenko was trash. Martinelli does well against Liverpool all time

 

[Mamoon]

Headless chicken scored again

Havertz was awful

But you conviently won't mention either

In the other thread, you were crying that Liverpool gave Arsenal two gifts. Now you are crediting Martinelli for the goal?

If you can’t roll the ball into an empty net, you shouldn’t be a professional footballer.

As I said above, Martinelli played well for his normal standards, but we all know he cannot produce such performances consistently and this is why he will never be world class and this is why Arsenal need a new LW.

Even today, he missed a golden chance when the terrible signing Jorginho slipped a brilliant ball but Martinelli as usual lacked composure.

Havertz had a decent game, troubled the defense and held the ball well. He was a major reason why Martinelli and Saka enjoyed a lot of space. Should have buried the chance though, but it did fall to his weaker foot.

 

[Mamoon]

Trossard should played ahead of havertz who was but you will stay quite about that as doesn't suit your agenda.

Zinchenko was trash. Martinelli does well against Liverpool all time

Martinelli was Arsenal’s worst player in the 2-2 draw at Anfield last month.

 

[Mamoon]

@KingKhanWC

Remember when you said Szoboszlai is better than Rice?

None of Liverpool’s midfielders, those who are injured and those who played today, are worthy of lacing his boots.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Martinelli was Arsenal’s worst player in the 2-2 draw at Anfield last month.

which 2-2 draw was this last month?

 

[Mamoon]

Havertz had a decent game.

stop talking nonsense as usual.

Havertz was trash, at least acknowledge when your talking nonsense.

Stop watching games on the radio

Watched every minute. I hope you watched how Jorginho embarrassed you.

 

[Mamoon]

which 2-2 draw was this last month?

Sorry it was 1-1, but that is not the point. The point is that Martinelli was Arsenal’s worst player that day so your statement that he “always” plays well against Liverpool was nonsense.

 

[topspin]

Havertz had a decent game.

stop talking nonsense as usual.

Havertz was trash, at least acknowledge when your talking nonsense.

Stop watching games on the radio

On Sky, Gary Neville was very critical of Havertz on at least two occasions. He clearly didn't like what he saw and doesn't rate him.

 

[Mamoon]

@KingKhanWC Why has Klopp not been good enough to beat Arteta in the last two seasons?

2 defeats, 2 draws.

Klopp vs Arteta in the last two seasons

 

[Amjid Javed]

Sorry it was 1-1, but that is not the point. The point is that Martinelli was Arsenal’s worst player that day so your statement that he “always” plays well against Liverpool was nonsense.

Martinelli scored in both league games last season, also now in this game today.

Gabriel Martinelli has scored five goals against Liverpool, his joint-most vs a single side for Arsenal (level with Crystal Palace). In addition, no player has been directly involved in more league goals against them since the start of last term (3 goals, 2 assists).

 

[Mamoon]

Arsenal beat Liverpool.

Arteta tactically owned Klopp.

Jorginho produced a top class performance.

I hope @Amjid Javed can sleep tonight.

 

[Mamoon]

Martinelli scored in both league games last season, also now in this game today.

Gabriel Martinelli has scored five goals against Liverpool, his joint-most vs a single side for Arsenal (level with Crystal Palace). In addition, no player has been directly involved in more league goals against them since the start of last term (3 goals, 2 assists).

Which doesn’t change the fact that he was terrible at Anfield this season so your statement that he “always” plays well vs Liverpool is wrong.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Havertz was bang average, Zinchenko poor

Martinelli was very good but
Jorginho was the best player on the pitch

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal beat Liverpool.

Arteta tactically owned Klopp.

Jorginho produced a top class performance.

I hope @Amjid Javed can sleep tonight.

We won the game off 2 mistakes.

Yeah Artetas tactics made Allison and van dyk make 2 mistakes

 

[MK7Z]

Come on here to enjoy the win on this thread and scrolled past loads of the usual culprits having a go at each other

Anyway fantastic defensive performance. Stifled them. Midfield was brilliant

Barring their goal I thought the tactics were spot on and Mike deserves credit. I hope people have it in them to praise him.

 

[Mamoon]

We won the game off 2 mistakes.

Yeah Artetas tactics made Allison and van dyk make 2 mistakes

Arsenal made 1 mistake and Liverpool made 2. Take those 3 mistakes out of the equation and Arsenal still completely outclassed Liverpool.

Liverpool, the team that couldn’t stop scoring before today, couldn’t get a shot on goal in the first half.

This is what you call tactical dominance. But of course, your hatred for Arteta will never let you admit that he completely schooled Klopp today.

Keep the tears coming and keep fixating on the “mistakes”. It makes the win even more enjoyable.

 

[Mamoon]

Let’s be honest, Arteta has tactically done Klopp 5 times in a row.

2 wins, 2 draws and 1 defeat doesn’t do justice to the actual performances on the pitch. It should have been 3 or 4 wins for Arsenal at the very least.

Last season, Arsenal smoked them at the Emirates and were the better side at Anfield.

This season, Arsenal smoked them twice at the Emirates but couldn’t finish the chances in the FA Cup game.

At Anfield, Arsenal were again the better side.

This simply shows the brilliance of Arteta. There are very very few managers that can dominate Klopp 5 times in a row.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arteta definitely deserves credit for that performance

Incredibly harsh to claim there were 2 mistakes and therefore discredit him

I often try to to judge a game outside of the goals (though I obviously accept goals are the most important thing) and in that regard Arsenal were the better side

 

[Amjid Javed]

West ham (A) - they have beaten Arsenal twice this season, Arsenal need to correct last season mistakes where title race collapsed

Man citys next 5 games vs sides in bottom half of the league so will likely get 15 points from those games

 

[topspin]

@topspin Martinelli had a good game by his normal standards, but he would never create and finish a goal from that situation. This is why Trossard needs to play ahead of him more often. His technique is top notch.

If only he was a bit quicker, Arsenal wouldn’t need a new LW.

Martinelli deserved an assist. That run down the left flank against Konate was brilliant and the cross to follow this was perfect. It seemed Saka was certain to score. Not sure how he missed that header.

For me he was Arsenal's Man of the Match. Certainly one of our two best players.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

West ham (A) - they have beaten Arsenal twice this season, Arsenal need to correct last season mistakes where title race collapsed

Man citys next 5 games vs sides in bottom half of the league so will likely get 15 points from those games

I think Brentford tomorrow night is the trickiest of their upcoming league fixtures

And then the big game at Anfield, huge game

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta definitely deserves credit for that performance

Incredibly harsh to claim there were 2 mistakes and therefore discredit him

I often try to to judge a game outside of the goals (though I obviously accept goals are the most important thing) and in that regard Arsenal were the better side

There were 2 mistakes go look at your posts in match thread.

Game finishes 1-1 without those mistakes.

Yes Arsenal were better team in 1st half. But game was NOT won / decided on anything tactical

 

[MK7Z]

There were 2 mistakes go look at your posts in match thread.

Game finishes 1-1 without those mistakes.

Yes Arsenal were better team in 1st half. But game was NOT won / decided on anything tactical

The game finishes 0-0 if nobody scores. What's your point?

 

[topspin]

Let’s be honest, Arteta has tactically done Klopp 5 times in a row.

2 wins, 2 draws and 1 defeat doesn’t do justice to the actual performances on the pitch. It should have been 3 or 4 wins for Arsenal at the very least.

Last season, Arsenal smoked them at the Emirates and were the better side at Anfield.

This season, Arsenal smoked them twice at the Emirates but couldn’t finish the chances in the FA Cup game.

At Anfield, Arsenal were again the better side.

This simply shows the brilliance of Arteta. There are very very few managers that can dominate Klopp 5 times in a row.

Arteta has done well against Klopp but this is OTT. Arsenal should have lost the game at Anfield in December.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think Brentford tomorrow night is the trickiest of their upcoming league fixtures

And then the big game at Anfield, huge game

Man city next 5 games are Brentford, Everton, Chelsea, Bournemouth and Brentford.

Yes Brentford took 6 points of City, but with KDB and haaland they will kick into gear.

City play United, brighton, Liverpool and Arsenal in March. So both Arsenal and Liverpool need to keep up with City once they fire up.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The game finishes 0-0 if nobody scores. What's your point?

My point is the mistakes arent based on any sort of tactics.

Simple point

 

[MK7Z]

There were 2 mistakes go look at your posts in match thread.

Game finishes 1-1 without those mistakes.

Yes Arsenal were better team in 1st half. But game was NOT won / decided on anything tactical

Wait sorry I don't get this. Are you conveniently forgetting that their goal was a major mistake by us?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta has done well against Klopp but this is OTT. Arsenal should have lost the game at Anfield in December.

Very OTT from mamoon as usual. Artetas tactical incompetence and in game management is why Arsensl bottled a 2-0 lead at Anfield last season.

 

[MK7Z]

My point is the mistakes arent based on any sort of tactics.

Simple point

So for example.(not on this game)
Pressing a particular defender and forcing a mistake and dropping off another defender is not tactical?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Wait sorry I don't get this. Are you conveniently forgetting that their goal was a major mistake by us?

omg are you slow.

Did I say liverpools goal was base's on any sort of tactics?

Again your missing a point. I replied to a comment on tactically outdoing someone when 3 goals in games were based on mistakes.

Today's game reminded me of Arsenal united from 2001/02 when 2 barthez clangers won the game.

 

[topspin]

Very OTT from mamoon as usual. Artetas tactical incompetence and in game management is why Arsensl bottled a 2-0 lead at Anfield last season.

His slander of Martinelli and unwarranted praise for Havertz makes a mockery of Arsenal fans on here.

Mamoon should go on Arsenal Fan TV. He'll get on with TY and all those other deluded fans.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

There were 2 mistakes go look at your posts in match thread.

Game finishes 1-1 without those mistakes.

Yes Arsenal were better team in 1st half. But game was NOT won / decided on anything tactical

I don't need to see my posts, I'm well aware that there were mistakes, the point being Arsenal were the better side and deserved the win

Also, without a mistake you keep a clean sheet and win the game

 

[Amjid Javed]

So for example.(not on this game)
Pressing a particular defender and forcing a mistake and dropping off another defender is not tactical?

2 of the goals (liverpools and Arsenal's 2nd) were based on a defender letting a ball bounce instead of kicking it into row Z

You telling me Arteta tactically planned for that before the game

 

[Amjid Javed]

His slander of Martinelli and unwarranted praise for Havertz makes a mockery of Arsenal fans on here.

Mamoon should go on Arsenal Fan TV. He'll get on with TY and all those other deluded fans.

He falls in the TY and Julian catoregory

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal also have to play Newcastle thos month, who will come and park the bus and play their anti-football and time wasting like they always do at the emirates

 

[MK7Z]

omg are you slow.

Did I say liverpools goal was base's on any sort of tactics?

Again your missing a point. I replied to a comment on tactically outdoing someone when 3 goals in games were based on mistakes.

Today's game reminded me of Arsenal united from 2001/02 when 2 barthez clangers won the game.

I'm not going to bother replying to the 1st line cos usually the mods edit or delete my posts when I reply to you. Even though I'm never insulting or offensive. Having said that I hope you read this post before it gets edited.

Mistakes are driven by tactics. That my opinion.
Have your heard folks say " he forced the mistake".

The whole game arteta got his tactics correct. If you could see through the blind hate you may find it within yourself to acknowledge that.

 

[MK7Z]

He falls in the TY and Julian catoregory

And some fall in the Lee Gunner territory

 

[MK7Z]

This win will be worth nothing if we don't win the next one

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'm not going to bother replying to the 1st line cos usually the mods edit or delete my posts when I reply to you. Even though I'm never insulting or offensive. Having said that I hope you read this post before it gets edited.

Mistakes are driven by tactics. That my opinion.
Have your heard folks say " he forced the mistake".

The whole game arteta got his tactics correct. If you could see through the blind hate you may find it within yourself to acknowledge that.

Oh ok Artetas tactics forced Van dyyk and Allison to make mistakes, im sure every club is going to do same now

So Arteta is a tactical great that he can can get world class defender and keepers to make school boy errors.

We heard the same nonsense when Arsenal beat City when game was won by a deflected goal

 

[Amjid Javed]

And some fall in the Lee Gunner territory

What you mean a fan born in the 80s who has seen two of the clubs greatest managers in GG and wenger and doesn't twirk over "progress" with zero trophies or achievements.

You will find most fans born in 80s have higher expectations of club than current mediocre standards.

 

[MK7Z]

I don't need to see my posts, I'm well aware that there were mistakes, the point being Arsenal were the better side and deserved the win

Also, without a mistake you keep a clean sheet and win the game

Anything to avoid praising the team and manager in anyway.

Thought we played well. Stifled them. They bangers didn't get much so that's credit to the set up.

Jorgino showed his experience today. Martinelli was direct to the extent trent got hauled off.

Odegard was good to and rice was rice.

 

[MK7Z]

Oh ok Artetas tactics forced Van dyyk and Allison to make mistakes, im sure every club is going to do same now

So Arteta is a tactical great that he can can get world class defender and keepers to make school boy errors.

We heard the same nonsense when Arsenal beat City when game was won by a deflected goal

My brother nobody said that. Good tactics can force mistakes. If you don't agree with that. It isn't that deep.
The game on the whole was a good set up by us that's all.

 

[MK7Z]

What you mean a fan born in the 80s who has seen two of the clubs greatest managers in GG and wenger and doesn't twirk over "progress" with zero trophies or achievements.

You will find most fans born in 80s have higher expectations of club than current mediocre standards.

Someone born in the 80s shouldn't be using childish words like twirk.

 

[Amjid Javed]

My brother nobody said that. Good tactics can force mistakes. If you don't agree with that. It isn't that deep.
The game on the whole was a good set up by us that's all.

Yes brother certain tactics can force mistakes. Like teams tactically exploiting players like a Zinchenko or maguire who can't defend, or putting pressure on a goal keeper who is poor at his feet.

The 2nd Arsenal goal was scored on 2 World class players defending like school boys

The 3rd goal was then a defender sticking is foot out and keeper letting ball through his legs

Please feel free to let me know which exact tactical handbook that is in.

Like I said today's win was no different to Arsenal 3-1 United 01/02.

Have a look at the 2nd and 3rd goals and you will hopefully understand when a game is decide on genuine mistakes

 

[Amjid Javed]

Anything to avoid praising the team and manager in anyway.

Thought we played well. Stifled them. They bangers didn't get much so that's credit to the set up.

Jorgino showed his experience today. Martinelli was direct to the extent trent got hauled off.

Odegard was good to and rice was rice.

Avoid praising the team

I praised Rice during the game and said Martinelli was excellent.

Also that it was a vital 3 points.

Facts are game was decided by 2 Liverpool mistakes.

 

[MK7Z]

Yes brother certain tactics can force mistakes. Like teams tactically exploiting players like a Zinchenko or maguire who can't defend, or putting pressure on a goal keeper who is poor at his feet.

The 2nd Arsenal goal was scored on 2 World class players defending like school boys

The 3rd goal was then a defender sticking is foot out and keeper letting ball through his legs

Please feel free to let me know which exact tactical handbook that is in.

Like I said today's win was no different to Arsenal 3-1 United 01/02.

Have a look at the 2nd and 3rd goals and you will hopefully understand when a game is decide on genuine mistakes

I get you bro. Thanks for that game reminder lol. Could watch it a million times.

I remember you saying that all goals are normally from mistakes. Might as well get rid of all tactics then.

Anyways never mind bro. We all want arsenal to do well. Rather than score points on the Internet.

I know you've said in the past you hate Liverpool. I hope you are giving it to them lol. Don't hold back!!!

 

[Amjid Javed]

I get you bro. Thanks for that game reminder lol. Could watch it a million times.

I remember you saying that all goals are normally from mistakes. Might as well get rid of all tactics then.

Anyways never mind bro. We all want arsenal to do well. Rather than score points on the Internet.

I know you've said in the past you hate Liverpool. I hope you are giving it to them lol. Don't hold back!!!

Yeah the vast majority of my mates are Liverpool fans, most of them are in one whatsapp group chat as well so they are getting abused and bantered now .

Like you say if we don't beat west ham then it's all wasted.

If City win both those games we are third and still a mountain to climb to get past 2 sides use to going full distance under pressure.

 

[Mamoon]

There were 2 mistakes go look at your posts in match thread.

Game finishes 1-1 without those mistakes.

Yes Arsenal were better team in 1st half. But game was NOT won / decided on anything tactical

1-1?

You took away two of Arsenal’s goals because they were Liverpool mistakes, but somehow, you decided NOT to take away Liverpool’s goal even though it was because of an Arsenal mistake?

The match finishes 1-0 Arsenal without those mistakes.

Arsenal dominated Liverpool today even if you take out all the mistakes. Arteta tactically outclassed Klopp.

Liverpool have been scoring goals for fun, but they couldn’t get a sniff today and had xG of 0.41 compared to Arsenal’s 3.52.

In the entire match, Liverpool had only 1 shot on target. This is how much Arsenal had stifled them.

I know it is very painful for you to admit that the “clueless fraud” Arteta outclassed Klopp today, but your tears and excuses don’t change the reality. In fact, they make the reality sweeter.

 

[Mamoon]

I get you bro. Thanks for that game reminder lol. Could watch it a million times.

I remember you saying that all goals are normally from mistakes. Might as well get rid of all tactics then.

Anyways never mind bro. We all want arsenal to do well. Rather than score points on the Internet.

I know you've said in the past you hate Liverpool. I hope you are giving it to them lol. Don't hold back!!!

He doesn’t. He wants Arsenal to fail because he cannot digest Arteta’s succeeding. He would hate nothing more than to see Arsenal win the league under Arteta and when he does, you can be certain that he will be clutching at straws to downplay his achievement.

 

[Mamoon]

Martinelli deserved an assist. That run down the left flank against Konate was brilliant and the cross to follow this was perfect. It seemed Saka was certain to score. Not sure how he missed that header.

For me he was Arsenal's Man of the Match. Certainly one of our two best players.

The man of the match had to be Jorginho or Rice. They were the reason why the most in form and free flowing team in the league couldn’t get a sniff of the goal.

They dominated the midfield and starved the Liverpool front three of any service.

Martinelli had a good game for his standards but had Arsenal not won, his miss as well as Saka’s would have been looked upon as a key factor.

Saka has never been strong with his head but he should have definitely tested the keeper.

Martinelli should have done much better considering it was on his stronger foot, but composure has never been and never will be his strength.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Arsenal played well. However, I think the Chelsea game took it's toll on Liverpool. They looked lethargic and leggy. Playing with energy is a big part of Klopps Liverpool.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

He doesn’t. He wants Arsenal to fail because he cannot digest Arteta’s succeeding. He would hate nothing more than to see Arsenal win the league under Arteta and when he does, you can be certain that he will be clutching at straws to downplay his achievement.

Unless Arteta wins the champions league or title he's failed.

Only successful teams are plauded, not almost rans!

 

[Amjid Javed]

He doesn’t. He wants Arsenal to fail because he cannot digest Arteta’s succeeding. He would hate nothing more than to see Arsenal win the league under Arteta and when he does, you can be certain that he will be clutching at straws to downplay his achievement.

Arteta proving himself is winning PL or CL, that ain't happening this season. Both Man city and Liverpool have proven managers and players who have won titles and CL. Arteta has proved he bottle's it at pressure end of season.

like i said earlier let's see if you apologize at end of season if club ends trophyless again, I guarantee you won't.

I said at start of season with the last 9 games Arsenal have including away games to man city, brighton, spurs and united included in that they ain't winning anything.

Trophyless season this mediocre manager should be sacked. No other big club would put up with a manager not only not winning the league or a trophy in that time, but also fact Arsenal haven't even reached a cup final since they won the FA Cup.

So keep up the over hype on "progress" with zero trophies.

Your standards are in the gutter, mine ain't. So all this Arteta has proved haters wrong is hilarious .

Managers at big clubs are judged on what they win.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Unless Arteta wins the champions league or title he's failed.

Only successful teams are plauded, not almost rans!

100% spot on

Supposedly he's best young manager in the world, yet its likely to be 4 trophyless seasons in a row and not a single cup final in that time to. So the so called criteria I'd hilarious

 

[Kroll]

Well turned into an even bigger clown show by Pool, they just didn't turn up today and it was an awful side Klopp fielded - totally naïve. Allowed Lego Man one up here, but Woolwich still ain't winning the league.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

100% spot on

Supposedly he's best young manager in the world, yet its likely to be 4 trophyless seasons in a row and not a single cup final in that time to. So the so called criteria I'd hilarious

Lol no chance.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arsenal also have to play Newcastle thos month, who will come and park the bus and play their anti-football and time wasting like they always do at the emirates

Bit of a strange dig to make considering you were wasting time against Liverpool and very early on too, so much so White even got booked for it

I do find it funny how fans of clubs take shots at us for time wasting but conveniently ignore it when their own team does it

 

[topspin]

Bit of a strange dig to make considering you were wasting time against Liverpool and very early on too, so much so White even got booked for it

I do find it funny how fans of clubs take shots at us for time wasting but conveniently ignore it when their own team does it

It’s more to do with your anti-football. You got enough quality in your team to beat anyone in the PL on your day but you choose to play like a bunch of es. A case in point is the recent game against City. If it wasn’t for KDB, you would have won that game.

If Newcastle play anti-football again at a big ground away from SJP, you best hope there’s no pitch invasion from the home crowd because there will be nowhere to hide, not even for Alan Shearer.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well turned into an even bigger clown show by Pool, they just didn't turn up today and it was an awful side Klopp fielded - totally naïve. Allowed Lego Man one up here, but Woolwich still ain't winning the league.

a united fan whose team is languishing in 6th is trying to banter teams above them

 

[Mamoon]

Unless Arteta wins the champions league or title he's failed.

Only successful teams are plauded, not almost rans!

That is the end goal for sure, but you cannot go from where Arsenal were when he took over to winning the league and/or the UCL without going through the journey that they are undertaking, but people with tunnel vision and who can’t see beyond their nose have a hard time understanding that time.

If Arteta doesn’t win the league within the next 2-3 years, I will accept that he has failed to get over the line. However, it is far too early to make that judgement considered it was only in August 2022 that was finally able to put the jigsaw together and assemble a team that was capable of fighting for the league.

 

[Mamoon]

100% spot on

Supposedly he's best young manager in the world, yet its likely to be 4 trophyless seasons in a row and not a single cup final in that time to. So the so called criteria I'd hilarious

Winning domestic cups means nothing if you are not competing for the title. United won the league cup last season and it did absolutely nothing for them because they weren’t fighting for the title and they had no direction.

Fighting for the league and not winning a cup is better than not fighting for the league and winning a domestic cup. The only trophies that matter are the league and the UCL. The domestic cups are just icing on the cake if you have won the big two or have competed well.

Arsenal won a gazillion FA Cups in 2010-2020 period but they did absolutely nothing for the club because in this period, Arsenal failed to compete for the league and only finished second once over a decade.

 

[Amjid Javed]

That is the end goal for sure, but you cannot go from where Arsenal were when he took over to winning the league and/or the UCL without going through the journey that they are undertaking, but people with tunnel vision and who can’t see beyond their nose have a hard time understanding that time.

If Arteta doesn’t win the league within the next 2-3 years, I will accept that he has failed to get over the line. However, it is far too early to make that judgement considered it was only in August 2022 that was finally able to put the jigsaw together and assemble a team that was capable of fighting for the league.

excuses started already

According to you finishing outside top 2 was failure and that you would apologize. But surprise surprise now its based on next 2-3 years. Sort of excuse immy69 and few others come up with.

I knew you would act like a coward.

Arteta is best young manager is world the fact your moving goal posts again shows you have no faith in them.

Loser mentality

 

[Amjid Javed]

Winning domestic cups means nothing if you are not competing for the title. United won the league cup last season and it did absolutely nothing for them because they weren’t fighting for the title and they had no direction.

Fighting for the league and not winning a cup is better than not fighting for the league and winning a domestic cup. The only trophies that matter are the league and the UCL. The domestic cups are just icing on the cake if you have won the big two or have competed well.

Arsenal won a gazillion FA Cups in 2010-2020 period but they did absolutely nothing for the club because in this period, Arsenal failed to compete for the league and only finished second once over a decade.

Arsenal ain't winning the PL under this bottle job manager. Winning the CL a manager who got humilated by olmpiakos, villareal and sporting Lisbon in europa league is going to win CL are they save some of the gems for 1st April.

I'm done with replying to your Copy paste, zero standard posts.

You've already back tracked on apologising making excuses already

 

[Mamoon]

Lol no chance.

100% spot on

Supposedly he's best young manager in the world, yet its likely to be 4 trophyless seasons in a row and not a single cup final in that time to. So the so called criteria I'd hilarious

Arteta is the best young manager in the world because when he took over Arsenal, they were in complete shambles and struggling to stay in the top half of the table.

He took Arsenal from that point to where they are today, i.e. fighting for the title and pushing City and Liverpool all the way.

He did that by spending less money than City (who already had a champion team in 2019), United and Chelsea who were both in a better position than Arsenal in 2019.

He took Arsenal from 8th to 5th to 2nd in consecutive seasons. Remember, he is the only reason why Arsenal fans are dreaming of winning the title again.

Arsenal is a club that let its standards compromise for a very long time. The club that celebrated finishing fourth for years will now be disappointed if they finish second this season. Arteta has raised the standards and the bar.

He had to rebuild the culture of the club from top to bottom. He had to fight a toxic media and fan base.

He did all of that without having any past experience of management and the likes of Xavi, Gerrard and Lampard would tell you how difficult a job it is that too when you have no experience.

Arteta took on one of the most difficult jobs in football and many experienced, veteran managers would have struggled with.

The job that he has done at Arsenal has been nothing short of incredible and he has clearly exhibited that he is no ordinary manager.

Yes, ultimately, to cement his legacy he will have to get Arsenal over the line in the league but I firmly believe that if he could take Arsenal from where they were to where they are today, he can also take Arsenal to winning the title from where they are today.

Arsenal fans need to give him more respect. The ones who know football do, but there is a section of fans that don’t. Without Arteta, Arsenal could have had 2-3 different managers in the last 4 years and they wouldn’t be anywhere close to fighting for the title.

Only an absolute fool would question the work Arteta has done at Arsenal so far and not give him the recognition and respect that he deserves. He is a brilliant manager.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It’s more to do with your anti-football. You got enough quality in your team to beat anyone in the PL on your day but you choose to play like a bunch of es. A case in point is the recent game against City. If it wasn’t for KDB, you would have won that game.

If Newcastle play anti-football again at a big ground away from SJP, you best hope there’s no pitch invasion from the home crowd because there will be nowhere to hide, not even for Alan Shearer.

Brother the aim of football is to get a result that is beneficial to your team, sometimes that is to win, sometimes that is to draw and sometimes it is to simply avoid a heavy defeat

It is arrogance to think people should play football in a certain way and objectively speaking there is no right or wrong way to play football

Now, subjectively I prefer football to be played in a certain way, prime Barca being my favourite but I loved the football Wenger brought to this country, it was a joy to watch and very different to the direct football we saw before

However, not all teams are equal and if you think all teams will come out and play fast and not look to slow the game down to suit themselves then you live in a utopian world

I've seen every single team waste time, some will just do it more than others depending on each teams circumstances. For me criticism of that shouldn't get levelled at the team but rather the referee

 

[Kroll]

a united fan whose team is languishing in 6th is trying to banter teams above them

Liverpool dude, its someone else that supports United. Definitely wouldn't be swaggering around here like you say if supported that mob.