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IMMY69 said:
Forget winning the title, just finishing top 4 is going to be a real struggle..

This was possibly the weakest Liverpool side to visit the emirates in over a decade (no VVD, Salah, Fermino, Mane, Firminho) and we couldn't score a single goal.... plenty of chances, should have been 3 to 5 goals up at half time but the same striker/goal scoring issues cropped up again.

We urgently require an instinctive goal scorer if we're going to make top 4 let alone compete for the title.
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Arsenal ain't signing a striker, Artetas interview gave that away. The 100M wasted on havertz and raya could have been put to better use.

Also the kronkes ain't putting their own money into club either. I said all along kronkes just care about CL money, not titles.

I'm interested to see your "end of season" assessment when the club is trophyless and has gone backwards this season.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Arsenal ain't signing a striker, Artetas interview gave that away. The 100M wasted on havertz and raya could have been put to better use.

Also the kronkes ain't putting their own money into club either. I said all along kronkes just care about CL money, not titles.

I'm interested to see your "end of season" assessment when the club is trophyless and has gone backwards this season.
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Arteta on new striker as part of January window plans: “At the moment it doesn't look realistic”.

“My job is to improve the players we have”, told BeIN Sports.
 
Toney hints at future

Ivan Toney has spoken about ahead of his upcoming return to football and admits he has a lot to repay at Brentford.

Toney will soon return from his betting ban, but rumours continue over his future.

The striker told Sky Sports about the support the club have given him.

He said: “Thomas Frank has been nothing but the biggest help I could have asked for. The whole club has. From putting extra sessions on for me, from taking their time out to put a session on, to go outside when it's raining, when they're not even supposed to be in, all these kinds of things.“I have a lot to be paying them and I can't wait to try and do that.

"Everybody's been supportive. The club that was right behind me from the first bit, and the fans were behind me as well, which was a massive part."Even when I'm not at games, they're singing my name and I'll get loads of messages on social media.

"As a whole, everybody knows Brentford's a family club, they've been nothing but amazing to me throughout the whole situation. I can't thank them enough, especially the fans. "They were behind me from the first minute as well. I have a lot to repay.

When asked if there was any pressure on him, he said: “No, there's no pressure. It's just excitement to get back on the pitch.

"Everybody knows at Brentford that I'll do my best to try and get the club out of the sticky patch we're in. But no, I don't feel there's any pressure.

"Even if there was, I probably wouldn't feel it because I think that's what drives me forward. Brentford, we've been here before, we know what it takes to get out of it."

Source : talkSPORT
 
MenInG said:
Arteta on new striker as part of January window plans: “At the moment it doesn't look realistic”.

“My job is to improve the players we have”, told BeIN Sports.
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The manager ain't improving any of the players.

Seems the owners have had enough of giving Arteta funds, when he wastes them on useless players.

Both Areta and edu deserve the sack
 
Barring injury/suspension probably the last time we will see Ramsdale now. Decent character capable of making worldly saves but equally capable of creating something out of nothing for the opposition.

At fault for the 1st goal and the 2nd goal he got beat at his near post? I haven't watched it back but struck cleanly by Diaz from what I remember. Similar to Salah's hit at Anfield that it was mentioned on here that should have been saved.

Anyway Onana from Everton links today. Not sure anybody who watched that game yesterday would say that Onana is what we need. Good player but Striker Striker Striker.

Normally when a team has such high XG the goalkeeper has a blinder. I dont recall Allison making any great saves. We couldn't hit the target. Its so Bizarre. Arteta cant be blamed for that but takes the blame for the options we have to score goals up front.
 
MK7Z said:
Barring injury/suspension probably the last time we will see Ramsdale now. Decent character capable of making worldly saves but equally capable of creating something out of nothing for the opposition.

At fault for the 1st goal and the 2nd goal he got beat at his near post? I haven't watched it back but struck cleanly by Diaz from what I remember. Similar to Salah's hit at Anfield that it was mentioned on here that should have been saved.

Anyway Onana from Everton links today. Not sure anybody who watched that game yesterday would say that Onana is what we need. Good player but Striker Striker Striker.

Normally when a team has such high XG the goalkeeper has a blinder. I dont recall Allison making any great saves. We couldn't hit the target. Its so Bizarre. Arteta cant be blamed for that but takes the blame for the options we have to score goals up front.
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The 1st goal was a shambles from start to finish, the stupid free kick 1st off all given away by oddegard. I've watch the free kick again and again and kiwor heading the ball backwards was just plain dumb, to make it worse Ramsdale trying to get to a ball he was never getting to.

Kiwor a signing made last January whilst in a title race and mamoon and all the other trust the process 🤡 doing bhangra that Arsenal were supposedly showing ambition with such signings.

The goal no one is saving that it's postage stamp top corner.

The pathetic player retention and player recruitment to supposedly add "depth" has not impoved at all.

As we have seen in every season under Arteta. When plan A don't work, Arteta don't trust his subs

This fraud of a manager has now Bern told he has to improve what he's got which he's clearly not able to.

For all those "trust the process" cheerleaders

Keep trusting your process because I can tell you now clubs like villa, spurs are catching up and the likes of United, Chelsea, Newcastle won't keep being as bad as they are forever.

Onana at Everton is average at best and doesn't improve what we already have

The sooner the kronkes fire Fraudeta the better. But CL money was always the aim.

A leopard never changes its spots
 
I struggle with this one. I would say he is a novice manager or a Rookie.

Its his first job, He has made mistakes and he has done some good stuff. He hasn't lied on his CV cos he didnt have one.
 
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MK7Z said:
I struggle with this one. I would say he is a novice manager or a Rookie.

Its his first job, He has made mistakes and he has done some good stuff. He hasn't lied on his CV cos he didnt have one.
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I think this is a fair point

Steve Bruce was unreliable Pardew was unreliable etc etc

Arteta like you say is a novice, it's his first job, now he may well have a ceiling that he's hit.
 
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You have had some shockers bless ya. Remember Steve McClaren, hardly won a game from what I remember.
 
MK7Z said:
You have had some shockers bless ya. Remember Steve McClaren, hardly won a game from what I remember.
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Yeah, he was a disaster, pretty much got us relegated (Damage was done by the time Rafa came in)

McClaren was awful but I don't dislike him as he was just out of his depth, whereas Pardew and in particular Bruce were just horrible people too, full of excuses and would defend Mike Ashley all the time
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
Yeah, he was a disaster, pretty much got us relegated (Damage was done by the time Rafa came in)

McClaren was awful but I don't dislike him as he was just out of his depth, whereas Pardew and in particular Bruce were just horrible people too, full of excuses and would defend Mike Ashley all the time
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I know a lot of Sheffield Wednesday fans and they absolutely despise Steve Bruce. Its not only cos of the Sheff United link.

I mean to manage Newcastle, Sunderland as well Sheff UTD and Wednesday does not say much about his character.
 
MK7Z said:
I know a lot of Sheffield Wednesday fans and they absolutely despise Steve Bruce. Its not only cos of the Sheff United link.

I mean to manage Newcastle, Sunderland as well Sheff UTD and Wednesday does not say much about his character.
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They detest him and rightly so

He was given the Sheff Wed job in January but they allowed him to take time off as he had recently lost both his parents, so he went to the West Indies to watch the cricket as he needed to get away (totally understandable for him to want to get away and incredibly generous of Sheff Wed to give him that time)

Fast forward 6 months and he resigns after admitting to having talks with Newcastle

What a way to repay a club that was incredibly generous with him at the time he was appointed

He's a scumbag and a terrible manager to boot
 
1 win in 7 games, this is our worst patch in a long time. This same attack that scored 88 goals last year looks pathetic right now, as if they won't score another goal the whole season, and now out of both cups again. Arteta has to turn this around and fast.
 
Firebat said:
1 win in 7 games, this is our worst patch in a long time. This same attack that scored 88 goals last year looks pathetic right now, as if they won't score another goal the whole season, and now out of both cups again. Arteta has to turn this around and fast.
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Worst patch in a long time?

The team won 2 out of 8 games at back end of title race last season.

1 win in 5 games in top 4 race the season before (march-april). Also went entire January not winning a game in all competitions.

Season before that 1 win in 10 games

People need to stop buying their head in sand like this this current run of dismissal is a shock.

"Trust the process"
 
Amjid Javed said:
🤣🤣 comparing havertz to giroud.

Only comparison needed is both were donkeys in front of goal for Arsenal.

5 big chances missed and you conviently ignore that as it doesn't suit your twerking for mediocrity agenda.
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Giroud is a “donkey” that played every minute as a target man when France won the World Cup.

He was replaced by Benzema, a far better individual forward, for the Euros and France struggled because Mbappe and Griezmann couldn’t function with him. They had no chemistry.

It was a blessing in disguise for France that Benzema got injured in the last World Cup and France went back to Giroud and the system that won them the World Cup and they ended up runner ups.

With Benzema playing upfront in the last World Cup, France wouldn’t be in the final. Not every great player is great for every system and every team.

Giroud has also won a Serie A with Milan as a starting number 9.

The bottom-line is that Giroud is not a bad striker at all. Yes he is not prolific but in the right system, he is extremely effective and gets the best out of others.

Him not having much success at Arsenal was less his fault and more because of the fact that he didn’t have the right players around him. He was the wrong player for Arsenal at the time and Wenger should have sold him earlier.

Giroud would have worked better in the current Arsenal team than he did from 2012-2018 because the likes of Saka, Martinelli and Odegaard would benefit from playing with him.
 
Arsenal midfielder Emile Smith Rowe says he has put his injury "behind" him as he looks to push for more minutes on the pitch.

The 23-year-old has spent much of the past 12 months sidelined by injuries, the most recent of which was a knee problem that kept him out until mid-December.

He has struggled to cement himself a regular spot in the starting line-up, making just six appearances in the Premier League so far this season and 12 across all competitions.

"I'm feeling good now. I've been back in training for a while and it's all good at the moment," the England international told Arsenal's website., external

"At first, we thought the injury would be a bit longer, but I started feeling really good after just a few weeks, so then I kicked on and I'm feeling good now as well.

"I've had no problems, so now I'm not thinking about the injury at all. It's behind me and I want to kick on by getting on the pitch. The team has been doing so well lately. Of course, I want to be part of that and to get involved as soon as possible.

"I think we've definitely pushed on and we look really strong this year. We've brought a few new players in and they've added a lot of strength to the team."

Source: BBC
 
Mamoon said:
Giroud is a “donkey” that played every minute as a target man when France won the World Cup.

He was replaced by Benzema, a far better individual forward, for the Euros and France struggled because Mbappe and Griezmann couldn’t function with him. They had no chemistry.

It was a blessing in disguise for France that Benzema got injured in the last World Cup and France went back to Giroud and the system that won them the World Cup and they ended up runner ups.

With Benzema playing upfront in the last World Cup, France wouldn’t be in the final. Not every great player is great for every system and every team.

Giroud has also won a Serie A with Milan as a starting number 9.

The bottom-line is that Giroud is not a bad striker at all. Yes he is not prolific but in the right system, he is extremely effective and gets the best out of others.

Him not having much success at Arsenal was less his fault and more because of the fact that he didn’t have the right players around him. He was the wrong player for Arsenal at the time and Wenger should have sold him earlier.

Giroud would have worked better in the current Arsenal team than he did from 2012-2018 because the likes of Saka, Martinelli and Odegaard would benefit from playing with him.
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Giroud at Arsenal was average at best, the guy had a prime mesut ozil who was assisting for fun on his way to breaking assists record in a PL season and giroud then went 23 games without a goal. So this nonsense about not having players around him 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
 
FearlessRoar said:
Arsenal midfielder Emile Smith Rowe says he has put his injury "behind" him as he looks to push for more minutes on the pitch.

The 23-year-old has spent much of the past 12 months sidelined by injuries, the most recent of which was a knee problem that kept him out until mid-December.

He has struggled to cement himself a regular spot in the starting line-up, making just six appearances in the Premier League so far this season and 12 across all competitions.

"I'm feeling good now. I've been back in training for a while and it's all good at the moment," the England international told Arsenal's website., external

"At first, we thought the injury would be a bit longer, but I started feeling really good after just a few weeks, so then I kicked on and I'm feeling good now as well.

"I've had no problems, so now I'm not thinking about the injury at all. It's behind me and I want to kick on by getting on the pitch. The team has been doing so well lately. Of course, I want to be part of that and to get involved as soon as possible.

"I think we've definitely pushed on and we look really strong this year. We've brought a few new players in and they've added a lot of strength to the team."

Source: BBC
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ESR should leave, he's not getting game time under the mediocre clueless manager
 
Giroud was a perfect plan B and that's it. He used to miss a lot of chances and was surrounded by good players during his Arsenal time.

I don't rate Deschamps as a manager. France has a ridicolous talent pool and he is the beneficiary of that. If you follow the French national team Giroud is not a popular selection. If you want to talk about world cups. You have conveniently missed out the fact that he was substituted BEFORE half time in a world cup final. So much for the system eh?
 
Amjid Javed said:
Giroud at Arsenal was average at best, the guy had a prime mesut ozil who was assisting for fun on his way to breaking assists record in a PL season and giroud then went 23 games without a goal. So this nonsense about not having players around him 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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And a prime Sanchez as well.

Ozil would have had way more assists at Arsenal if he had a half decent striker to feed instead of Giroud.
 
MK7Z said:
Giroud was a perfect plan B and that's it. He used to miss a lot of chances and was surrounded by good players during his Arsenal time.

I don't rate Deschamps as a manager. France has a ridicolous talent pool and he is the beneficiary of that. If you follow the French national team Giroud is not a popular selection. If you want to talk about world cups. You have conveniently missed out the fact that he was substituted BEFORE half time in a world cup final. So much for the system eh?
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Don’t forget all of his 16 x shots in the 2018 World Cup were off target as well.

The most underserving World Cup winner if there was one.
 
topspin said:
Don’t forget all of his 16 x shots in the 2018 World Cup were off target as well.

The most underserving World Cup winner if there was one.
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Nah, Stephane Guivarc'h is the most undeserving winner

Absolutely useless, was carried by the rest of his team
 
MK7Z said:
Am I right in saying the only world cup winner to have played for NUFC?
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Never really thought about it but probably yeah

We signed him just before the World Cup, there was lot of excitement, watched him at the World Cup where he was awful and we realised we bought a dud
 

ARSENAL WANT BOLOGNA STRIKER JOSHUA ZIRKZEE​

The Gunners are keeping a close eye on the 6ft 4in hitman, but the Serie A club would want a fee in the region of £50 million for his services.

Arsenal may not be able to splash the cash this month as they look to avoid breaking Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules, and a summer deal may be more realistic.

The North Londoners have also been linked with an interest in Getafe striker Borja Mayoral as they are desperate to strengthen their attack ahead of the second half of the campaign.

Both Gabriel Jesus and Eddie Nketiah have failed to impress as manager Mikel Arteta would have desired, while Kai Havertz and Leandro Trossard have not proven themselves when leading the line.

Arsenal have won just one of their last five Premier League games and were dumped out of the FA Cup by Liverpool on Sunday due to their lack of quality finishers.

Zirkzee fits the bill given the qualities and aerial presence he brings to the table, but Bologna are unwilling to sell him this month, and the release clause in his contract is only valid for his former club Bayern Munich.

The 22-year-old has bagged eight goals and two assists in 21 games across all competitions this term and is also on the radar of Manchester United.

The Dutchman notched 16 goals and nine assists while on loan with Anderlecht in 2021-22 before moving to Bologna the following season, and a move to Arsenal this month could appeal to him.

Zirkee is not just a traditional number 9 and target man, the Bayern academy graduate is also comfortable with the ball at his feet, can dribble and pass well and is also solid defensively, capable of helping to defend with his tackling ability, and the Gunners could do with such a complete player leading their attack.

Source : Gooner talk
 
The Bald Eagle said:

ARSENAL WANT BOLOGNA STRIKER JOSHUA ZIRKZEE​

The Gunners are keeping a close eye on the 6ft 4in hitman, but the Serie A club would want a fee in the region of £50 million for his services.

Arsenal may not be able to splash the cash this month as they look to avoid breaking Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules, and a summer deal may be more realistic.

The North Londoners have also been linked with an interest in Getafe striker Borja Mayoral as they are desperate to strengthen their attack ahead of the second half of the campaign.

Both Gabriel Jesus and Eddie Nketiah have failed to impress as manager Mikel Arteta would have desired, while Kai Havertz and Leandro Trossard have not proven themselves when leading the line.

Arsenal have won just one of their last five Premier League games and were dumped out of the FA Cup by Liverpool on Sunday due to their lack of quality finishers.

Zirkzee fits the bill given the qualities and aerial presence he brings to the table, but Bologna are unwilling to sell him this month, and the release clause in his contract is only valid for his former club Bayern Munich.

The 22-year-old has bagged eight goals and two assists in 21 games across all competitions this term and is also on the radar of Manchester United.

The Dutchman notched 16 goals and nine assists while on loan with Anderlecht in 2021-22 before moving to Bologna the following season, and a move to Arsenal this month could appeal to him.

Zirkee is not just a traditional number 9 and target man, the Bayern academy graduate is also comfortable with the ball at his feet, can dribble and pass well and is also solid defensively, capable of helping to defend with his tackling ability, and the Gunners could do with such a complete player leading their attack.

Source : Gooner talk
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You need him now, not in August
 
The Bald Eagle said:

ARSENAL WANT BOLOGNA STRIKER JOSHUA ZIRKZEE​

The Gunners are keeping a close eye on the 6ft 4in hitman, but the Serie A club would want a fee in the region of £50 million for his services.

Arsenal may not be able to splash the cash this month as they look to avoid breaking Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules, and a summer deal may be more realistic.

The North Londoners have also been linked with an interest in Getafe striker Borja Mayoral as they are desperate to strengthen their attack ahead of the second half of the campaign.

Both Gabriel Jesus and Eddie Nketiah have failed to impress as manager Mikel Arteta would have desired, while Kai Havertz and Leandro Trossard have not proven themselves when leading the line.

Arsenal have won just one of their last five Premier League games and were dumped out of the FA Cup by Liverpool on Sunday due to their lack of quality finishers.

Zirkzee fits the bill given the qualities and aerial presence he brings to the table, but Bologna are unwilling to sell him this month, and the release clause in his contract is only valid for his former club Bayern Munich.

The 22-year-old has bagged eight goals and two assists in 21 games across all competitions this term and is also on the radar of Manchester United.

The Dutchman notched 16 goals and nine assists while on loan with Anderlecht in 2021-22 before moving to Bologna the following season, and a move to Arsenal this month could appeal to him.

Zirkee is not just a traditional number 9 and target man, the Bayern academy graduate is also comfortable with the ball at his feet, can dribble and pass well and is also solid defensively, capable of helping to defend with his tackling ability, and the Gunners could do with such a complete player leading their attack.

Source : Gooner talk
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No thanks, we need an upgrade on Jesus and Eddie.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Giroud at Arsenal was average at best, the guy had a prime mesut ozil who was assisting for fun on his way to breaking assists record in a PL season and giroud then went 23 games without a goal. So this nonsense about not having players around him 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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You are looking at it the wrong way as usual. It is fine though - I know that I always have to dumb it down for you and @topspin.

Ozil was a creator, he wasn’t someone who would make late runs into the box, get behind the defenses and score goals.

Him and Giroud were not the right fit for each other. Ozil thrived with strikers who had deadly finishing, Giroud thrives with who gets behind the defenses and have a nose for goal.

Giroud worked well with players like Sanchez and Ramsey. He held the ball and allowed them to occupy spaces and get into scoring positions.

Ramsey scored 16 goals in 2013/14 season and Giroud got 10 assists that season and created 1.09 chances per game which is a very high number for a striker.

Ramsey’s goal scoring form had a lot to do with the way Giroud played.

This is why Giroud works really well with the other French attackers unlike Benzema who likes to get into the end of things himself instead of creating space for others.

Giroud did have good players around him at Arsenal but apart from Sanchez and Ramsey, he didn’t have the right players around him.

This is why Wenger should have sold him earlier because with Ozil as your main playmaker, Giroud wasn’t the right profile up front.

He should have either built a team that could get the best out of Giroud (get more players like Sanchez and Ramsey) or replace Giroud with a striker who had the pace to get behind the defenses and score more goals to take advantage of Ozil’s creativity.

Wenger failed to get the best out of both Giroud and Ozil by playing them together for so long and for little positive outcome. There is no way they should have played together for 5 years.

1-2 seasons maximum were enough to conclude that they were not going to thrive together.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Giroud at Arsenal was average at best
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Giroud at Arsenal was average because he was not the right fit for the system that Wenger was playing, but Giroud for France and Milan have showed that you can win World Cups and league titles with Giroud as your starting striker provided that you have the right system. That is the point that I am trying to make.
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Don’t forget all of his 16 x shots in the 2018 World Cup were off target as well.

The most underserving World Cup winner if there was one.
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Giroud made a sub appearance in the opening game vs Australia, assisted Pogba’s goal and France switched to 4-2-3-1 from 4-3-3.

This switch made France more effective and they ended up winning the World Cup with Giroud starting every game.

Giroud didn’t score any goals but he was part of a tactical setup that brought the best out of players like Mbappe, Griezmann and Pogba.
 
MK7Z said:
Giroud was a perfect plan B and that's it. He used to miss a lot of chances and was surrounded by good players during his Arsenal time.
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He was surrounded by good players but few right players (excluding Sanchez and Ramsey).

Ozil was a very bad fit for him and he was a very bad fit for Ozil. A playmaker like Ozil cannot function with Giroud. It shouldn’t have taken Wenger 5 years to see this. Giroud should have been sold by 2015-2016 max.
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I don't rate Deschamps as a manager. France has a ridicolous talent pool and he is the beneficiary of that. If you follow the French national team Giroud is not a popular selection.
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You don’t rate Deschamps but he was won a World Cup and finished runner up four years later.

He is clearly an astute manager and has a good understanding of how to set up the team and bring the best out of his players.

France have a rich squad but that doesn’t guarantee glory. So many teams with immense talent have failed to win because they didn’t have managers who could set them up for success. Deschamps has done that for France and you have to respect that.

He was pressurized into playing Benzema instead of Giroud in the Euros even though he was reluctant to do so and we saw the outcome.

As great a player as Benzema is, he wasn’t the right fit for the French and the whole attack struggled and looked disorganized.

This is why he is content with Giroud because Giroud in this French team works really well and has been an architect for France’s success.
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If you want to talk about world cups. You have conveniently missed out the fact that he was substituted BEFORE half time in a world cup final. So much for the system eh?
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What convenience are you talking about? Conveniently ignoring that Giroud started every game of the 2018 World Cup (except the first one) that France won? Or conveniently ignoring the fact that Giroud won a Serie A with Milan?

France and Milan have showed that you can win World Cups and league titles with Giroud as your striker as long as you play the right system.

This shows that if Arsenal didn’t win any major titles with him, it wasn’t his fault. It was Wenger’s fault who didn’t play the right system.

You either play Giroud in the right system or you don’t play him.

Also, if you talk about the 2022 World Cup final, just because a system has worked doesn’t mean it will work every time or work against every team.

Firstly, Giroud missed the last two training sessions before the final because of a viral infection that had impacted Varane, Upamecano and a few others too.

Secondly, him getting subbed off might or might not have anything to do with that because it could also be a purely tactical decision.

Not just Giroud, but Dembele was also subbed off alongside him in the 41st mins. Argentina had completely nullified France and he had to change things to get back into the game and Giroud didn’t fit into the system that he wanted to incorporate to get back into the game.

That doesn’t mean that Giroud up top doesn’t work for France and is not an effective system. If it wasn’t, France wouldn’t have a World Cup and made the finals four years later.

It simply means that in that particular game, it wasn’t working well. I’m surprised that I have to explain this.
 
I don't rate Giroud and I respect that you do. Same with Deschamps

Nicklas Bendtner has also won a Seria A, what's your point?
 
MK7Z said:
I don't rate Giroud and I respect that you do. Same with Deschamps

Nicklas Bendtner has also won a Seria A, what's your point?
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Do you actually not understand the difference in contribution of Bendtner to Juventus and Giroud to Milan in their title-winning campaigns?

The difference was day and night. Bendtner made 5-6 token appearances and scored 0 goals; Giroud was their first-choice striker and their top scorer in the league alongside Leao.

I don’t rate Giroud or Deschamps very highly but they are nearly not as bad as people think. In the right circumstances they have proved to be very, very effective.

Deschamps deserves a lot of credit for resurrecting French football after several barren years post 2006.

Similarly, both France and Milan have showed that in the right setup, Giroud can be a very effective striker with whom you can win World Cups and league titles.

The fact that Arsenal won nothing or generally were a poorly performing team during the Giroud era is more down to Wenger rather than Giroud not being good enough.

Players like Giroud will never be good enough if you are not playing to his strengths. The fact that Wenger kept him for 6 years and never got the best out of him is on Wenger not on Giroud.

He should have sold him earlier if he couldn’t figure out how to get the best out of him.

Giroud was excellent at Montpelier when they won the league in 2011/12. He was moderately successful at Chelsea even though he played under multiple managers and the team wasn’t set up to get the best out of him.

He has been excellent for France for years now and he has been excellent at Milan as well.

The problem was clearly Arsenal not Giroud. He was the wrong striker for the wrong manager at the wrong time.

Him moving to Arsenal in 2012 was a mistake both on his and Wenger’s part.

I have absolutely no problem with anyone stating that Giroud was bad at Arsenal.

He certainly was, but it should come with the asterisk that he was bad at Arsenal because of Wenger and his tactics and not because he is a bad player, because several other managers in his career have managed him far more effectively than Wenger did.
 
That's all good and well but missing clear cut chances can't be blamed on a manager. A striker needs to put the ball in the back of the net. I don't know maybe its personal but honestly some of the chances he missed have nothing to do with a system. You are right, Wenger's mistake was buying him in the 1st place.

Giroud is not a player you build a team around, he's not that guy. I stick to my view he is the perfect Plan B.

Why cant this same analogy be used on Havertz? Who do you blame for his poor start to his Arsenal career and messing the whole "system" up? Is it Arteta's fault he has changed the system around his £60 Million signing and highest paid player at the club? Resulting in us regressing on the progress that we made.

Or is it Havertz for just being pants.

Havertz or Arteta who is to blame?
 
MK7Z said:
That's all good and well but missing clear cut chances can't be blamed on a manager. A striker needs to put the ball in the back of the net. I don't know maybe its personal but honestly some of the chances he missed have nothing to do with a system. You are right, Wenger's mistake was buying him in the 1st place.

Giroud is not a player you build a team around, he's not that guy. I stick to my view he is the perfect Plan B.

Why cant this same analogy be used on Havertz? Who do you blame for his poor start to his Arsenal career and messing the whole "system" up? Is it Arteta's fault he has changed the system around his £60 Million signing and highest paid player at the club? Resulting in us regressing on the progress that we made.

Or is it Havertz for just being pants.

Havertz or Arteta who is to blame?
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Mamoon things Arteta and havertz should have statues outside the Emirates.
 
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Arsenal fans in meltdown-one of the things you love to see!

Next 4 prem games are pivotal, win them and it's all to play for. Every single one of the games has jeopardy though.
A lot of over reaction and we love it!!
 
MK7Z said:
That's all good and well but missing clear cut chances can't be blamed on a manager. A striker needs to put the ball in the back of the net. I don't know maybe its personal but honestly some of the chances he missed have nothing to do with a system. You are right, Wenger's mistake was buying him in the 1st place.

Giroud is not a player you build a team around, he's not that guy. I stick to my view he is the perfect Plan B.

Why cant this same analogy be used on Havertz? Who do you blame for his poor start to his Arsenal career and messing the whole "system" up? Is it Arteta's fault he has changed the system around his £60 Million signing and highest paid player at the club? Resulting in us regressing on the progress that we made.

Or is it Havertz for just being pants.

Havertz or Arteta who is to blame?
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Giroud misses chances for France and Milan as well, but his link up play is incredible and both teams have taken full advantage of his skill-set. Arsenal failed to do so except in patches where the likes of Ramsey, Alexis and at times Wilshere would get on the end of thing by driving into the box.

Pairing him with Ozil was the biggest problem and Wenger should not have taken 5 years to realize that.

As far as Havertz is concerned, after an understandably difficult start, he has done reasonably well. November-December was really good and January has been a difficult period for the whole team.

I would wait for the end season to evaluate his performance because there is still plenty of time for it to get better (or worse).

Ultimately, if Havertz doesn’t work, the blame would fall on Arteta because everyone knows his playing style and his weaknesses, and if Arteta went out of his way to sign him then he should be able to work out a system that enables Havertz to play his best football.
 
Abdullah said:
Arsenal fans in meltdown-one of the things you love to see!

Next 4 prem games are pivotal, win them and it's all to play for. Every single one of the games has jeopardy though.
A lot of over reaction and we love it!!
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Arsenal fans are impatient, reactionary, toxic and cannot look beyond their nose. There is always a meltdown round the corner.

Worst fan base in the PL by some distance.
 
Abdullah said:
Arsenal fans in meltdown-one of the things you love to see!

Next 4 prem games are pivotal, win them and it's all to play for. Every single one of the games has jeopardy though.
A lot of over reaction and we love it!!
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Let me guess... Man United fan?
 
Arsenal and Liverpool are interested in signing 22-year-old Wolves and Algeria left-back Rayan Ait-Nouri.​
 
Abdullah said:
Yes!!
I know we have a long way back.
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The feeling is mutual.

I prefer the rivalry with united over City, Liverpool as most at school were either United or Arsenal.

I guessed you were united as the only thing in football that can realistically make a united fan happy at this moment in time is when Arsenal lose.


:qdkcheeky
 
Arsenal are leading the race to sign 20-year-old Netherlands forward Xavi Simons, who is on loan at RB Leipzig from Paris St-Germain.​
 
I think its all click bait at the moment with transfers, I tend to ignore most of it.
Unless Ornstein breaks the news.

Had a mate forward me on Benzema to Arsenal news. Far fetched tbh but I'd take him on the Loan but again I think its just false rumours.
 
Supposedly Arsenal have no money for transfers, I told everyone kronkes wudnt put their own money into club

Oh well done Arteta for wasting 65M on havertz and 30M on raya

Also well done for not developing any of the talented youngsters at the club

I'm sure the excuse will be rolled out come end of the season
 
MK7Z said:
The feeling is mutual.

I prefer the rivalry with united over City, Liverpool as most at school were either United or Arsenal.

I guessed you were united as the only thing in football that can realistically make a united fan happy at this moment in time is when Arsenal lose.


:qdkcheeky
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And Liverpool losing is great too.
I rather City win the league than Liverpool or Arsenal.,😭
Those two are our real rivalry when I was growing up.
I just put City success in the bin due to the 115 charges, and I no 0 man city fans so the banter is between Liverpool Arsenal and Utd
Also I want Man utd to be the team that breaks the city stronghold.
It's really tough times indeed 😭
 
Report: West Ham have approached Arsenal to discuss loan deal for Emile Smith-Rowe.
 
MenInG said:
Report: West Ham have approached Arsenal to discuss loan deal for Emile Smith-Rowe.
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Arteta on West Ham approach for Emile Smith-Rowe: “I’m really happy with Emile, we are very happy”.

“He’s in the right trajectory. He’s settled really well and training very well”.
 
MenInG said:
Report: West Ham have approached Arsenal to discuss loan deal for Emile Smith-Rowe.
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Yep he should leave and get regular game time, rather than play under a clueless manager who doesn't trust his bench players and hadn't developed any of the young players at the club
 
The little break is over. :)

Arsenal v Palace - 12.30pm kick off.

Huge game for Arteta.

Palace are generally average away from home , however they managed to draw away to City last month, having scored in all of their last 5 away matches.

Early kick off also.

My prediction.

Arsenal 2-1 Palace.

Arsenal lose this or fail to win, its a tough top 4 fight for the rest of the season.
 
Arsenal have rejected West Ham initial approach for Emile Smith-Rowe to join on loan.

No intention to let ESR leave on loan as still considered key for Arteta squad; player also happy to stay at
 
KingKhanWC said:
The little break is over. :)

Arsenal v Palace - 12.30pm kick off.

Huge game for Arteta.

Palace are generally average away from home , however they managed to draw away to City last month, having scored in all of their last 5 away matches.

Early kick off also.

My prediction.

Arsenal 2-1 Palace.

Arsenal lose this or fail to win, its a tough top 4 fight for the rest of the season.
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Arsenal were in Dubai!
 
Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta, speaking to TNT Sports on return after winter break: "We recharged, re-energised and have been very clear with each other what to expect, and then attack the second half of the season."

On facing Palace: "We have to earn the right to win. This is a team that is well organised. We are ready."

On Jesus and Zinchenko's return: "They are both available and training the last few days. They feel good."

On scoring goals in the league: "The margins are so small in the Premier League, it is the hardest thing in football but I believe a lot in my players."
 
3 points needed today in top 4 race with spurs and Villa. Arsenal title challenge is already dead
 
Good goal by Arsenal, as we've seen they'll need a second goal to be in a secure position

Also, going to share an image if it let's me upload it
 
Gabriel Magalhães is only the fourth Arsenal player to score two headers in a Premier League game
 
MenInG said:
Gabriel Magalhães is only the fourth Arsenal player to score two headers in a Premier League game
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Gary Gillespie, Liverpool vs Birmingham, 1985-86. There hasn't been a hat-trick scored by a defender in the Premier League

something for Gabriel to aim for
 
3 points, 5 goals

Headless chicken scored twice and havertz was rubbish once again
 
5-0 and we are still resorting to calling players names like headless chickens.

Anyway

Good win. Lots of goals and clean sheet. Tougher tests ahead but you gotta do what you gotta do.

Gabriel's 1st goal, I can't see what he did wrong.

Anybody see Saka interview on TNT after the game?

He said he always wants to be 1st in the table or something along those lines can't remember word for word.
Nobody mentioning that on this thread but some were buzzing off Martinez saying they going for the league after their Arsenal win saying great mentality.

Do we only speak on our own players when it's time to critisize?
 
Amjid Javed said:
3 points, 5 goals

Headless chicken scored twice and havertz was rubbish once again
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As I have been saying all season, this is exactly how Martinelli should be utilized - a sub who arrives in the last 25-30 mins to have a crack at tired defenders and stretches them with his pace and directness.

@topspin - what happened to the “Martinelli is much better as a starter” theory?

3 out of 4 goals that he has scored this season has been as a substitute. Only one player has out scored him from the bench.

This is the best utilization of Martinelli as long as he is an Arsenal player because he is clearly not technically and mentally good enough to be a nailed down starter, but he is one of the quickest players in the league and he offers a huge advantage by coming off the bench later in the game.

Arsenal needs to be in the market for a left winger. Trossard is technically excellent and a very clever player but he is not that quick and athletic and will be 30 in 12 months. You can’t rely on him as a starter either.

Basically, they need a Trossard-Martinelli hybrid to be the first-choice LW/LF next season.
 
Mamoon said:
As I have been saying all season, this is exactly how Martinelli should be utilized - a sub who arrives in the last 25-30 mins to have a crack at tired defenders and stretches them with his pace and directness.

@topspin - what happened to the “Martinelli is much better as a starter” theory?

3 out of 4 goals that he has scored this season has been as a substitute. Only one player has out scored him from the bench.

This is the best utilization of Martinelli as long as he is an Arsenal player because he is clearly not technically and mentally good enough to be a nailed down starter, but he is one of the quickest players in the league and he offers a huge advantage by coming off the bench later in the game.

Arsenal needs to be in the market for a left winger. Trossard is technically excellent and a very clever player but he is not that quick and athletic and will be 30 in 12 months. You can’t rely on him as a starter either.

Basically, they need a Trossard-Martinelli hybrid to be the first-choice LW/LF next season.
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We all know you had your essay lined up to go all out chest thumping after Trossard’s goal just after the game, but you had to scrap it since you were left red faced because it took Martinelli half the time to score not just once but twice.

Not sure why you got so much resentment towards the Brazilian winger. Did he take a dump on your doorstep?

The only essay you need to focus on is your apology. Please make it a good one because I enjoy reading your comedy posts on this thread.
 
MK7Z said:
5-0 and we are still resorting to calling players names like headless chickens.
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Might be worth following the thread from the first page.

He was being sarcastic. The “headless chicken” label was used by a particular individual who’s got some sort of deranged agenda against Martinelli.
 
topspin said:
Might be worth following the thread from the first page.

He was being sarcastic. The “headless chicken” label was used by a particular individual who’s got some sort of deranged agenda against Martinelli.
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I believe you. I am not going to go through this thread where the same stuff is repeated week in week out. I will pass :)
 
Arsenal need a centre-forward and I would love to see them sign Isak.

He should be Arsenal's number 1 priority in the summer transfer window. I would much rather sign him than buy Osimhen or Toney.

Newcastle signed him for £63m. He's worth £100m-£120m.
 
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