Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[topspin]

I didn't mind the rice and Gabriel arguing, shows that players do care about what's going on the pitch. Arsenal have to many timid players like oddegard and Zinchenko. Sometimes cages need rattling.

What was nog good was what came after the argument where no one marking on the corner

This is what I like about Rice. He won't shy away to speak up and raise his points when the team isn't playing well like a true leader should.

Odegaard and Zinchenko showcase their fake leadership skills with their theatrics towards their gullible fans in attendance.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arsenal went through a run of 1 win in ten games losing 7 of those including losing to wolves, Leicester and Burnley at home. So let's not go there with this other managers got sacked because of bad runs. Arteta should have got boot as well, only reason he didn't was due to no fans in ground during covid etc.. add to that the club had no ambition or accountability.

You can say Arteta got past that pathetic run, but in reality so could have other managers.

However In all 3 case ole, Emery, arteta they should have been sacked

That Arteta run came at the start of his tenure and not later on, it's a quite a big difference when comparing with Ole or Emery

If Arteta goes on a similar run now do you think he survives it? I certainly don't think he does

 

[Mamoon]

Rich coming from someone who claims that Havertz "is already living up to his price tag" and from someone who tolerates 6 years without a PL or UCL after spending close to a billion. Let us not forget, your standards can be reflected by all the efforts you've made to hype up Zinchenko and Havertz.

But this won't be the first time we've seen such outlandish stuff blow back in your face. Even after having schooled you on Imam and Babar's captaincy credentials, you never learn your lesson.

Inpatient and toxic fans like yourself never gave Havertz a chance and wrote him off before he kicked a ball for Arsenal.

After doing better than you thought he would, you have switched the goalposts to “he has not lived up to the price tag”

Please go back a few pages and read my post on this again. This is a cop-out because who sets the parameters? In fact, let me help you by quoting my post again:
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“Will not justify price tag” or “won’t live up to the price tag” are vague statements. It is a cop-out used by those who wrote him off and were very aggressive and hostile with their criticism before he had kicked a ball for Arsenal.

Havertz in the last month has clearly performed better than they expected him to so the narrative has changed from “he is terrible and he will never do anything” to “he blows hot n cold” and “he won’t justify his price tag”.

Who defines the parameters of price tag justification? Who decides the rules for when a player has justified a price tag or not.

As I said, it is an open-minded vague statement that can be applied as per your convenience and agenda.

If he scores X goals and Y assists, you can claim that he hasn’t justified his price tag because to do so, he should have scored X+5 goals and provided Y+5 assists.“

Don’t bring Babar, Imam and the cricket nonsense to this thread. Don’t pollute it please.

 

[Mamoon]

No, here’s another cold hard fact for you. West Ham under Moyes are also progressing. Arteta’s progression isn’t some miracle, a number of teams are benefiting from the regression of Man U and Chelsea.

West Ham is a club that has no ambition and capacity to fight for the title. The best they can hope for is a top 6 finish.

It is not difficult to progress when your aim is low. Arteta’s progression isn’t a miracle. No progression is a miracle.

It is an outcome of effective transfers and squad building. Arsenal under Arteta has progressed unlike United and Chelsea because of poor decision-making and poor coaching.

The fact that Arsenal didn’t regress unlike those two is a credit to Arteta. If they had Arteta they wouldn’t have regressed either.

 

[Mamoon]

Sorry but none of the players mentioned are good enough, apart from the odd game none of these have shown any decent impact when asked to step in and do a job

Also this nonsense nketitah is the best back up number 9 is a load of rubbish.

Liverpool have Diaz, nunez, gapko and jota and depending on which 2 you play with salah, the other 2 are miles better the nketitah.

If nketitah was at Liverpool he wouldn't even get into the squad.

Alvarez at City is a better back up as well.

Nketitah is richarlison level mediocre. The fact nketitah has gone a full year without a PL away goal shows what a mediocre player he is.

Yes you can improve on Jesus and Martinelli in the squad, but same problem arises when squads rotated, no like for like depth in key areas

That's why you see Arteta flogging key players like dead horses, because the other players he's signed in squad he doesn't trust. That's on manager for constructing a poor squad

Look at Arsensl in their prime we had Henry. Bergkamp, kanu, wiltord

Midfield parlour, ljungberg, pires, edu, Gilbert, Vieira

There were no weak links no matter who played. To win titles you need a core of 16-17 players you can depend on.

Arsensl right now don't have that

Jota and Gakpo are not number 9s. They are wide forwards who can also play at 9.

Same goes for Alvarez who has been deployed as a 9, as a 10 and even as a winger.

Nketiah is a pure number 9 and there isn’t a better backup number 9 in this league.

He is under-appreciated by Arsenal fans. If he was playing for Crystal Palace or Bournemouth or Brentford, Arsenal fans would be interested in signing him to boost the attack.

It is funny to see Arsenal fans twerk for Solanke and want to sign him when he is not even better than Nketiah.

You make Nketiah a permanent starter and he gets you similar no of goals, but obviously it is not enough for Arsenal and the level they are competing at.

Nketiah/Solanke are very good backup material. The real problem is Jesus who is not good enough as a goal poacher.

 

[Mamoon]

Sorry but none of the players mentioned are good enough, apart from the odd game none of these have shown any decent impact when asked to step in and do a job

Also this nonsense nketitah is the best back up number 9 is a load of rubbish.

Liverpool have Diaz, nunez, gapko and jota and depending on which 2 you play with salah, the other 2 are miles better the nketitah.

If nketitah was at Liverpool he wouldn't even get into the squad.

Alvarez at City is a better back up as well.

Nketitah is richarlison level mediocre. The fact nketitah has gone a full year without a PL away goal shows what a mediocre player he is.

Yes you can improve on Jesus and Martinelli in the squad, but same problem arises when squads rotated, no like for like depth in key areas

That's why you see Arteta flogging key players like dead horses, because the other players he's signed in squad he doesn't trust. That's on manager for constructing a poor squad

Look at Arsensl in their prime we had Henry. Bergkamp, kanu, wiltord

Midfield parlour, ljungberg, pires, edu, Gilbert, Vieira

There were no weak links no matter who played. To win titles you need a core of 16-17 players you can depend on.

Arsensl right now don't have that

Jota and Gakpo are not number 9s. They are wide forwards who can also play at 9.

Same goes for Alvarez who has been deployed as a 9, as a 10 and even as a winger.

Nketiah is a pure number 9 and there isn’t a better backup number 9 in this league.

He is under-appreciated by Arsenal fans. If he was playing for Crystal Palace or Bournemouth or Brentford, Arsenal fans would be interested in signing him to boost the attack.

It is funny to see Arsenal fans twerk for Solanke and want to sign him when he is not even better than Nketiah.

Arteta fluked a trophy and it wasn’t even his team. We know it was a fluke because after spending 700M Arteta has squat to show for it, bottled the league last season, and dropped 6 points between xmas and NYD this season vs West Ham and Fulham. So much so you went from it was in the bag, to Arsenal will win the league this season, to Arsenal will win the league within 2 years, to Arsenal must give Arteta 10 years.

As I said, one cannot reason with duplicity.

Utter nonsense.

Ole couldn’t even fluke a trophy. Besides, even if ignore the trophy, here is a cold, hard fact for you:

Since Ole became permanent manager in March 2019, he spent more money on transfers than any manager in the world and in spite of that spending spree, he failed to build a team that could challenge for the title.

Arteta’s spending has resulted in Arsenal going from top a 8 team to a top 2 team.

Ole had squat to show for all the spending. Ole isn’t worthy of lacing Arteta’s boots as manager and this is why he is still unemployed two years later.

You sack Arteta today and plenty of big clubs would be interested in him because the football world recognizes and appreciates the work that he has done at Arsenal.

Only people who don’t know anything about football think he has been a failure.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta retains the support of B-Fans because Arsenal have been bang on average for many years, so even a blip in Arsenal’s performance is considered the next coming of Pep! I still maintain Arsenal are ‘progressing’ because of other teams regressing - nothing to do with the next Pep incarnation, Arteta, West Ham and Fulham games exposed Arteta. This is precisely why Arteta fans were doing bhangra after beating relegation contenders, Luton.

You can maintain you ignorance if you want to, that is your choice.

But the fact is that the only reason Arsenal progressed unlike Chelsea and United is because of Arteta.

Similarly, the only reason Arsenal are fighting for the title today and have progressed from a team struggling to stay in the top 8 to fighting for the title is because of Arteta.

Arteta has Arsenal fans dreaming of the title again. He has put Arsenal on the map again after years of regression and compromised standards and he has made Arsenal feel like not winning the title would be a disappointment.

That is the Arteta effect and the haters are seething because they have been proved wrong.

They thought someone with no experience and someone who was just a Pep assistant would fail badly. When he took over, people like you would have never expected him to convert Arsenal into title contenders.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta haters have it so easy.

Arsenal doesn’t win the league under Arteta:

“Arteta is a failure. He has spent big money and couldn’t deliver. He is just an assistant coach”

Arsenal wins the league under Arteta:

“No big deal. He has taken advantage of the regression of Chelsea and United. He has fluked it and it is no big deal after spending so much money”

What a bunch of clowns.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta haters have it so easy.

Arsenal doesn’t win the league under Arteta:

“Arteta is a failure. He has spent big money and couldn’t deliver. He is just an assistant coach”

Arsenal wins the league under Arteta:

“No big deal. He has taken advantage of the regression of Chelsea and United. He has fluked it and it is no big deal after spending so much money”

What a bunch of clowns.

go seek some help, the club is called Arsenal FC not Arteta riding FC

 

[Amjid Javed]

Jota and Gakpo are not number 9s. They are wide forwards who can also play at 9.

Same goes for Alvarez who has been deployed as a 9, as a 10 and even as a winger.

Nketiah is a pure number 9 and there isn’t a better backup number 9 in this league.

He is under-appreciated by Arsenal fans. If he was playing for Crystal Palace or Bournemouth or Brentford, Arsenal fans would be interested in signing him to boost the attack.

It is funny to see Arsenal fans twerk for Solanke and want to sign him when he is not even better than Nketiah.

Utter nonsense.

Ole couldn’t even fluke a trophy. Besides, even if ignore the trophy, here is a cold, hard fact for you:

Since Ole became permanent manager in March 2019, he spent more money on transfers than any manager in the world and in spite of that spending spree, he failed to build a team that could challenge for the title.

Arteta’s spending has resulted in Arsenal going from top a 8 team to a top 2 team.

Ole had squat to show for all the spending. Ole isn’t worthy of lacing Arteta’s boots as manager and this is why he is still unemployed two years later.

You sack Arteta today and plenty of big clubs would be interested in him because the football world recognizes and appreciates the work that he has done at Arsenal.

Only people who don’t know anything about football think he has been a failure.

Arsenal fans twerking for solanke what utter garbage

Most Arsenal fans what toney or ohsimen. Maybe their is the odd fan who wants Watkins.

No one wants solanke so stop making things up. If Arsenal did sign him it would be yet another example of this club not being serious about winning titles.

I see you didn't even have a response to fact nketitah hasn't scored an away PL goal for over 12 months. But according to you he's a natural number 9

The guy is bottom of the league standard striker. Nketitah would be ideal at a Burnley or sheff utd

 

[Mamoon]

Arsenal fans twerking for solanke what utter garbage

Most Arsenal fans what toney or ohsimen. Maybe their is the odd fan who wants Watkins.

No one wants solanke so stop making things up. If Arsenal did sign him it would be yet another example of this club not being serious about winning titles.

I see you didn't even have a response to fact nketitah hasn't scored an away PL goal for over 12 months. But according to you he's a natural number 9

The guy is bottom of the league standard striker. Nketitah would be ideal at a Burnley or sheff utd

Nketiah is Arsenal second top scorer in the league this season without being a starter and getting very limited mins. He has more goals than Sterling and Jota.

Put some respect to his name. You can’t have a better backup number 9 in today’s market.

Osimhen/Toney + Eddie is a title winning strike force.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nketiah is Arsenal second top scorer in the league this season without being a starter and getting very limited mins. He has more goals than Sterling and Jota.

Put some respect to his name. You can’t have a better backup number 9 in today’s market.

Osimhen/Toney + Eddie is a title winning strike force.

Jota has been injured for large parts of season, sterling is a winger not a number 9. Again you avoid the goal drought nketitah has had. Arsenal need to bin off mediocre players like nketitah, Nelson, Vieira. Jorginho , kiwor if they want to actually win trophies

 

[Mamoon]

Jota has been injured for large parts of season, sterling is a winger not a number 9. Again you avoid the goal drought nketitah has had. Arsenal need to bin off mediocre players like nketitah, Nelson, Vieira. Jorginho , kiwor if they want to actually win trophies

I can’t criticize him for his goal drought when he gets poverty mins most of the time.

Eddie is more potent finisher than Jesus but Jesus all-round play is vastly superior.

Eddie should not be sold unless he forces a transfer.

 

[Technics 1210]

West Ham is a club that has no ambition and capacity to fight for the title. The best they can hope for is a top 6 finish.

It is not difficult to progress when your aim is low. Arteta’s progression isn’t a miracle. No progression is a miracle.

It is an outcome of effective transfers and squad building. Arsenal under Arteta has progressed unlike United and Chelsea because of poor decision-making and poor coaching.

The fact that Arsenal didn’t regress unlike those two is a credit to Arteta. If they had Arteta they wouldn’t have regressed either.

So West Ham has no ambition or capacity to fight for the title? Pure jokes. EVERY team that plays in the PL wants to win every game, this is a fact, now you can argue whether a team has a realistic chance of winning the title, but stop this nonsense about teams lacking ambition. Blackburn and Leicester City are PL winners for the simple reason they were ambitious, and succeeded.

You sing and dance over a draw at Anfield given Arsenal's poor record, do bhangra over Arsenal beating Man City for the first time since 2015, and you call this Arsenal progressing, but palm off West Ham's double victory over Arsenal since 06/07 as lacking ambition and progression? Lacking ambition, skill, progression, and management, is 77 passes in West Ham's penalty area and still failing to score.

Aston Villa is another team that is progressing well, but I guess Villa are lacking ambition too?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Mikel Arteta: Arsenal boss says club did not complain to PGMOL about fouls against Bukayo Saka

Mikel Arteta says Arsenal have not complained to PGMOL about the rough treatment on Bukayo Saka - but referees are "aware" of opposition tactics.

Reports claimed the club had spoken to the governing body of match officials about fouls against the winger.

Gunners manager Arteta said they have "daily communication", but "nothing specific" on that topic.

"I think the referees know the tactics of the opponents and that some players invite more tackles," he said.

Arteta, whose side are fourth in the Premier League and host Liverpool in the FA Cup third round on Sunday, added: "I think that's been going on for two years. We have wingers that provoke a lot of fouls and attention. That's something normal."

Saka, 22, has won 43 fouls for Arsenal this season, with only Crystal Palace forward Jordan Ayew (65) and Newcastle midfielder Bruno Guimaraes (53) having more.

A total of seven yellow cards have been shown to opposition players after being deemed guilty of committing a foul on England forward Saka.

Five of those were for a reckless offence, with the other two - given to Aston Villa defender Lucas Digne and Fulham midfielder Tom Cairney - falling into the category of tactical fouls.

Chelsea's Raheem Sterling has been fouled 31 times with 14 yellow cards handed out to opponents.



BBC

 

[Amjid Javed]

Sunday is must win for Arsenal against Liverpool. Arsenal ain't winning PL or CL this season under this manager. I can Guarantee that certain arteta fan boys will make excuses if we lose to Liverpool saying the FA Cup was a distractions etc..

It's beyond pathetic certain cheerleaders on here want to put this fraud manager on a pedestal when he's won 7% of the trophies available since he's become manager. Supposedly their club has ambition, but these cheerleaders will make excuse after excuse after cup exit

Oh we have bigger fish to fry

Oh it's in the bag

Oh trust the process

Harsh reality Is liverpools two visits to emirate could easily end Arsenal's season in 2 competitions. I hate Liverpools annoying fans more than anyone.

But a lot of Arsenal fans need to start hold club accountable if failure occurs again

 

[Amjid Javed]

So West Ham has no ambition or capacity to fight for the title? Pure jokes. EVERY team that plays in the PL wants to win every game, this is a fact, now you can argue whether a team has a realistic chance of winning the title, but stop this nonsense about teams lacking ambition. Blackburn and Leicester City are PL winners for the simple reason they were ambitious, and succeeded.

You sing and dance over a draw at Anfield given Arsenal's poor record, do bhangra over Arsenal beating Man City for the first time since 2015, and you call this Arsenal progressing, but palm off West Ham's double victory over Arsenal since 06/07 as lacking ambition and progression? Lacking ambition, skill, progression, and management, is 77 passes in West Ham's penalty area and still failing to score.

Aston Villa is another team that is progressing well, but I guess Villa are lacking ambition too?

He keeps on harping about Arsenal being ambitious compared to others what a load of rubbish

Let's look back to two seasons ago - Arsenal bottled top 4. Did the club see it as failure? No the clubs target was "get back into europe" which you can do finishing 7th

Last season Arsenal top in January. Edu does an interview on sky sports and says target is top 4

That's all you need to know about Arsenak and its lack of ambition. You only need to look at the poor January signings to see Arsenal had no interest In winning title.

This January you will see the exact same lack of ambition.

Arsenal are here to win titles.

 

[Mamoon]

So West Ham has no ambition or capacity to fight for the title? Pure jokes. EVERY team that plays in the PL wants to win every game, this is a fact, now you can argue whether a team has a realistic chance of winning the title, but stop this nonsense about teams lacking ambition. Blackburn and Leicester City are PL winners for the simple reason they were ambitious, and succeeded.

Nonsense as usual.

Leicester and Blackburn won the league because they found themselves at the right place at the right time. They didn’t enter the seasons aiming to winning the league.

Every time you step onto the field, you want to win but different clubs have different targets and ambitions based on their scale.

West Ham never have and never will (unless there is a billionaire takeover like City and Chelsea) enter a season with the ambition of winning the league because they are not one of those clubs that fight for the title. Same goes for Aston Villa.

For clubs like West Ham and Aston Villa, top 6 finish is an achievement. A top 4 finish is incredible, and winning the league is out of question.

Ambition is relative. You can’t compare the ambition of the big clubs with the ambition of the tier-2 clubs.

You sing and dance over a draw at Anfield given Arsenal's poor record, do bhangra over Arsenal beating Man City for the first time since 2015, and you call this Arsenal progressing, but palm off West Ham's double victory over Arsenal since 06/07 as lacking ambition and progression? Lacking ambition, skill, progression, and management, is 77 passes in West Ham's penalty area and still failing to score.

Aston Villa is another team that is progressing well, but I guess Villa are lacking ambition too?

West Ham, Villa and Arsenal are not at the same level. Their targets and ambitions are different. The way they view success and failure is also different.

Arsenal’s failures tower over their success. Arsenal is a club of a different magnitude. Stop comparing them.

 

[Mamoon]

He keeps on harping about Arsenal being ambitious compared to others what a load of rubbish

Let's look back to two seasons ago - Arsenal bottled top 4. Did the club see it as failure? No the clubs target was "get back into europe" which you can do finishing 7th

Last season Arsenal top in January. Edu does an interview on sky sports and says target is top 4

That's all you need to know about Arsenak and its lack of ambition. You only need to look at the poor January signings to see Arsenal had no interest In winning title.

This January you will see the exact same lack of ambition.

Arsenal are here to win titles.

Arsenal’s ambition is to win the league. You don’t spend £105m on one player if you are aiming for a top four.

Edu, Arteta and Josh have made it clear numerous times that they intend to win the league.

 

[Technics 1210]

Nonsense as usual.

Leicester and Blackburn won the league because they found themselves at the right place at the right time. They didn’t enter the seasons aiming to winning the league.

Every time you step onto the field, you want to win but different clubs have different targets and ambitions based on their scale.

West Ham never have and never will (unless there is a billionaire takeover like City and Chelsea) enter a season with the ambition of winning the league because they are not one of those clubs that fight for the title. Same goes for Aston Villa.

For clubs like West Ham and Aston Villa, top 6 finish is an achievement. A top 4 finish is incredible, and winning the league is out of question.

Ambition is relative. You can’t compare the ambition of the big clubs with the ambition of the tier-2 clubs.


West Ham, Villa and Arsenal are not at the same level. Their targets and ambitions are different. The way they view success and failure is also different.

Arsenal’s failures tower over their success. Arsenal is a club of a different magnitude. Stop comparing them.

More duplicity.

When Arsenal break an 8 year trend vs City its progression, when West Ham school Arsenal on their turf after 15 odd years, West Ham have no ambition or progression.

And yes, Arsenal finishing top 4 is not just a fluke achievement, but ambitious.

Arteta was considering his future at Arsenal last season after bottling the league, this is being ambitious and relative for you. On the other hand, progression is also relative, Arsenal progressing cos others are regressing.

Yeah, its all relative.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal’s ambition is to win the league. You don’t spend £105m on one player if you are aiming for a top four.

Edu, Arteta and Josh have made it clear numerous times that they intend to win the league.

Edu and josh spin usual PR nonsense at start of season for season ticket renewals.

Edu's interview last Jan on skysports saying top 4 is target when we were top just shows this guy has no ambition

All last season all the players kept saying that top 4 and europa league was the target. This club has no ambition. If it did it would make failure accountable.

 

[Mamoon]

More duplicity.

When Arsenal break an 8 year trend vs City its progression, when West Ham school Arsenal on their turf after 15 odd years, West Ham have no ambition or progression.

And yes, Arsenal finishing top 4 is not just a fluke achievement, but ambitious.

Arteta was considering his future at Arsenal last season after bottling the league, this is being ambitious and relative for you. On the other hand, progression is also relative, Arsenal progressing cos others are regressing.

Yeah, its all relative.

Arsenal and West Ham are not in the same lane. Finishing 6th will be a success for West Ham but a disaster for Arsenal.

West Ham have never entered a PL season with the ambition to win the league.

So yes the two clubs don’t share the same ambition and their parameters for success and failure are different.

Also, I can’t believe that I have to explain all this to you. I mean I get it, it is you, but still.

Arteta pondered his future after last season because was extremely disappointed by the fact that he failed to get Arsenal over the line and felt that he let the team down.

This is why Arteta is the right man for the Arsenal job and this is why he has revived the standards and the expectations that were compromised at the club for over a decade.

Arsenal needed a manager who has the ambition to win the league and will be upset at finishing second. Who wants to win at all costs and will not stop unless he does.

These are the qualities that Arteta has brought to the table. He is the reason why Arsenal fans are dreaming of winning the PL and why finishing second feels like a disappointment.

A club that lost all ambition and desire to win and celebrated 4th place like a trophy is not disappointed at finishing 2nd.

This is the Arteta effect.

 

[Mamoon]

Edu and josh spin usual PR nonsense at start of season for season ticket renewals.

Edu's interview last Jan on skysports saying top 4 is target when we were top just shows this guy has no ambition

All last season all the players kept saying that top 4 and europa league was the target. This club has no ambition. If it did it would make failure accountable.

Arsenal finished 2nd last season, didn’t sell any key player in the summer and went ahead and spent £200m including £100m on one player.

This is ambition and intent. If they didn’t have ambition and didn’t have intention to win the league, they wouldn’t have spent big money in the summer after achieving their target of top four.

Arsenal would still be top four this season without spending a penny in the summer window but the objective is to win the league.

Lack of ambition is Arsene Wenger not signing a single outfield player in 2015 summer and the club not holding him accountable for failing to build a title challenging squad after 2013 even though Arsenal finally had the financial resources and Wenger was given enough transfer kitty to fight for the title.

Arsenal under Kroenke, Edu and Arteta clearly don’t lack ambition. Kroenke taking full control of the ownership of the club in August 2018 signaled a new era for the club where they will be no compromise on standards.

Since then, the club has showed great ambition:

- Emery was booted out after 15 months because the owners saw that he didn’t have the capacity to turn Arsenal into title contenders. A club lacking ambition would have given him more time.

- Arteta was appointed and given the funds to rebuild Arsenal. It wasn’t going to be one or two season job. Arteta faced tough moments but the trajectory of the club was in the right direction which gave the owners the confidence that he was the right man for the job and their confidence was vindicated.

Arsenal went from 8th to 5th to 2nd in consecutive seasons. This is progression. Next step will be winning the league and there is no doubt it will happen under Arteta.

- The owners have sanctioned a £100m transfer and will continue to sign marquee players every summer. What lack of ambition?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal finished 2nd last season, didn’t sell any key player in the summer and went ahead and spent £200m including £100m on one player.

This is ambition and intent. If they didn’t have ambition and didn’t have intention to win the league, they wouldn’t have spent big money in the summer after achieving their target of top four.

Arsenal would still be top four this season without spending a penny in the summer window but the objective is to win the league.

Lack of ambition is Arsene Wenger not signing a single outfield player in 2015 summer and the club not holding him accountable for failing to build a title challenging squad after 2013 even though Arsenal finally had the financial resources and Wenger was given enough transfer kitty to fight for the title.

Arsenal under Kroenke, Edu and Arteta clearly don’t lack ambition. Kroenke taking full control of the ownership of the club in August 2018 signaled a new era for the club where they will be no compromise on standards.

Since then, the club has showed great ambition:

- Emery was booted out after 15 months because the owners saw that he didn’t have the capacity to turn Arsenal into title contenders. A club lacking ambition would have given him more time.

- Arteta was appointed and given the funds to rebuild Arsenal. It wasn’t going to be one or two season job. Arteta faced tough moments but the trajectory of the club was in the right direction which gave the owners the confidence that he was the right man for the job and their confidence was vindicated.

Arsenal went from 8th to 5th to 2nd in consecutive seasons. This is progression. Next step will be winning the league and there is no doubt it will happen under Arteta.

- The owners have sanctioned a £100m transfer and will continue to sign marquee players every summer. What lack of ambition?

I've given you facts of 2 examples where officals from the club gave the club's targets. So that says it all.

Edu a guy who was part of the invicibles coming out and saying top 4 is target when Arsenal were top, yet you chose not to even address thar point.

Also you go on about the kronkes authorising 100M on a player, Arsenal with money generated from finishing 2nd, the europa league last season and guaranteed group stage CL money this season were in a position where they could have spent 250M on new players. The kronkes haven't even put ant of their own money in.

Now we are hearing Arsenal need to sell to buy in January because of supposed FFP, the owners could easily put the their own money in as owners are allowed to put in a certain amount over a 3 year period in relation to FFP but are choosing not to.

So let's cut all this Arsensl have ambition, we will see once again lack of ambition in this TW like we did last year.

The signinfz of kiwor, Jorginho weren't ever going to help Arsensl win a title.

They are exactly like FSG at Liverpool

 

[topspin]

Inpatient and toxic fans like yourself never gave Havertz a chance and wrote him off before he kicked a ball for Arsenal.

Why am I going to give him a chance when he was failing in the PL for 3 reasons straight? Rational supporters will agree with me and blind followers of Arteta will disagree.

If I was the Chelsea owner, I wouldn't believe my luck if I had sold him for £70m. Only a fool, would buy him at that price and pay him more than the other players in the squad even though he's nowhere near one of Arsenal's best players.

After doing better than you thought he would, you have switched the goalposts to “he has not lived up to the price tag”

Please go back a few pages and read my post on this again. This is a cop-out because who sets the parameters? In fact, let me help you by quoting my post again:
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“Will not justify price tag” or “won’t live up to the price tag” are vague statements. It is a cop-out used by those who wrote him off and were very aggressive and hostile with their criticism before he had kicked a ball for Arsenal.

Havertz in the last month has clearly performed better than they expected him to so the narrative has changed from “he is terrible and he will never do anything” to “he blows hot n cold” and “he won’t justify his price tag”.

Who defines the parameters of price tag justification? Who decides the rules for when a player has justified a price tag or not.

As I said, it is an open-minded vague statement that can be applied as per your convenience and agenda.

If he scores X goals and Y assists, you can claim that he hasn’t justified his price tag because to do so, he should have scored X+5 goals and provided Y+5 assists.“

There is no change in narratives/goalposts. All I see is a blind Arteta fan who's desperately trying to defend the signing of Havertz. The only where the cop-out really lies.

I can easily prove why Havertz hasn't lived up to his price tag. He was brought as a direct replacement for Xhaka. The new signing has been nowhere near as good as what he was last season. As a result, Arsenal are worse off and are now fighting to stay in the top 4. There's nothing "vague" about that. Only Arteta/Havertz fanboys would disagree with me.

If you still think the signing of Havertz has been anywhere near a worthwhile investment for the team then I suggest looking in the mirror before casting judgement on others with their football knowledge.

Don’t bring Babar, Imam and the cricket nonsense to this thread. Don’t pollute it please.

I don't need to because we saw how these outlandish claims you made of these players have backfired before.

 

[topspin]

Now we are hearing Arsenal need to sell to buy in January because of supposed FFP, the owners could easily put the their own money in as owners are allowed to put in a certain amount over a 3 year period in relation to FFP but are choosing not to.

I wasn't aware of this. That's interesting. If this is the case, you're absolutely right. The Kroenkes don't care about going above and beyond to help Arsenal win the league.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I wasn't aware of this. That's interesting. If this is the case, you're absolutely right. The Kroenkes don't care about going above and beyond to help Arsenal win the league.

Premier League profit and sustainability regulations explained: What restrictions are there on clubs spending what they want?

Premier League profit and sustainability regulations and UEFA profit and sustainability Rules explained after clubs deterred from spending big in January; how things could change from start of next season

www.google.com

This article explains in, a club can make can only over spend by 5M a season on what they turn over (15M loss over 3 years FFP cycle)

But you can over spend up to 105M over the limit as long as 90M comes from the club's owners.

There are deluded "trust the process" cheerleaders who think the kronkes are putting money into the club, they aren't.

They are leaches like FSG and glaziers. Only time Kronkes ever put their own money in was after covid and failed super league, because Arteta took Arsenal out of Europe and they had no choice. That money would have been taken back by kronkes at somepoint.

Kronkes only care about CL revenue and always will. People think the 200M spent this summer was from owners pockets should lay off smoking crack.

 

[topspin]

Premier League profit and sustainability regulations explained: What restrictions are there on clubs spending what they want?

Premier League profit and sustainability regulations and UEFA profit and sustainability Rules explained after clubs deterred from spending big in January; how things could change from start of next season

www.google.com

This article explains in, a club can make can only over spend by 5M a season on what they turn over (15M loss over 3 years FFP cycle)

But you can over spend up to 105M over the limit as long as 90M comes from the club's owners.

There are deluded "trust the process" cheerleaders who think the kronkes are putting money into the club, they aren't.

They are leaches like FSG and glaziers. Only time Kronkes ever put their own money in was after covid and failed super league, because Arteta took Arsenal out of Europe and they had no choice. That money would have been taken back by kronkes at somepoint.

Kronkes only care about CL revenue and always will. People think the 200M spent this summer was from owners pockets should lay off smoking crack.

I really hope we can get rid of the Kroenkes.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Premier League profit and sustainability regulations explained: What restrictions are there on clubs spending what they want?

Premier League profit and sustainability regulations and UEFA profit and sustainability Rules explained after clubs deterred from spending big in January; how things could change from start of next season

www.google.com

This article explains in, a club can make can only over spend by 5M a season on what they turn over (15M loss over 3 years FFP cycle)

But you can over spend up to 105M over the limit as long as 90M comes from the club's owners.

There are deluded "trust the process" cheerleaders who think the kronkes are putting money into the club, they aren't.

They are leaches like FSG and glaziers. Only time Kronkes ever put their own money in was after covid and failed super league, because Arteta took Arsenal out of Europe and they had no choice. That money would have been taken back by kronkes at somepoint.

Kronkes only care about CL revenue and always will. People think the 200M spent this summer was from owners pockets should lay off smoking crack.

From what I have read Arsenal have made losses in the past 3 years so I don't they are lying about FFP, they are very close to the limit

There is a reason they are one of the clubs being watched closely

 

[Amjid Javed]

From what I have read Arsenal have made losses in the past 3 years so I don't they are lying about FFP, they are very close to the limit

There is a reason they are one of the clubs being watched closely

Yeah Arsenal are near the limit based on spending what they earn. But some of that can be offset with kronkes using their own money, which they ain't prepared to do.

Kronkes and FSG are two of the lowest contributions owners when it cones to transfer etc. Only ones worse are glaziers who have put a single penny into man utd.

Yes at Arsenal their comes a point when edu needs to do better on player sales and Arteta needs to stop wasting money on awful signings like Vieira, kiwor, jorghino, havertz etc.. and learn to do well with what he has. But Arsenal really needed to they could spend heavily in Jan based on money from the kronkes, theh haven't put any of their own money in on transfers

The fact Stan kronke is that rich n refuses to do so. Shows the kronkes have no interest in going extra mile when needed

 

[Amjid Javed]

Gabriel Jesus injured again, media reporting could be up to 3 months.

No shock both him and Zinchenko have poor fitness records.

Oh well I'm sure "best back up number 9" according to Arsenal chief cheerleader will step up now

 

[topspin]

Gabriel Jesus injured again, media reporting could be up to 3 months.

No shock both him and Zinchenko have poor fitness records.

Oh well I'm sure "best back up number 9" according to Arsenal chief cheerleader will step up now

I would much rather see Trossard play as a false 9. In the 2-3 games I’ve seen of him in this position, he’s done well.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I would much rather see Trossard play as a false 9. In the 2-3 games I’ve seen of him in this position, he’s done well.

Yeah he plays that well. But we also need to sign an elite striker. We can go into 2nd half of season like last season with nketitah as main forward.

I said at start of season Jesus cudnt be depended on fitness wise

 

[topspin]

Looks like Havertz will play as a CF.

Liverpool are without VVD due to illness. It would be unforgivable for Arsenal to lose to this this Liverpool team without him and Salah.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Looks like Havertz will play as a CF.

Liverpool are without VVD due to illness. It would be unforgivable for Arsenal to lose to this this Liverpool team without him and Salah.

I won't be shocked if havertz / nketitah are used as strikers whilst Jesus is out.

Like I said before this club has no ambition.

All those previous years where we were a few players away from wining title and no signings were made in previous January windows, it will be same again. These owners have no ambition

As far as if we lose today, if that happens manager has to go. We ain't winning PL and CL, and the fact a lot of fan base turn their noses up at league cup and FA Cup is embarrassing

 

[topspin]

As far as if we lose today, if that happens manager has to go. We ain't winning PL and CL, and the fact a lot of fan base turn their noses up at league cup and FA Cup is embarrassing

I don't think we'll win the CL but I do think we have a chance. I would say we have a better chance of winning this tournament than winning the PL. We're 4th favourites to win the CL. If we can somehow avoid City, Bayern and Real Madrid in the knockouts we could make it to the final and hope we can pull off a surprise in the final if we're up against one of these teams on the day.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good chance for Nelson after 2 mins, should have scored

 

[Amjid Javed]

3 chances already in 7 mins, can't keep wasting chances here

 

[Amjid Javed]

Omg 4 chances in same phase of play! Impotent at best

Should be 3-0 already

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arsenal all over them, no idea how they aren't winning already

Need to score whilst on top otherwise Liverpool will do what they do best and score on the counter

 

[Amjid Javed]

I don't think we'll win the CL but I do think we have a chance. I would say we have a better chance of winning this tournament than winning the PL. We're 4th favourites to win the CL. If we can somehow avoid City, Bayern and Real Madrid in the knockouts we could make it to the final and hope we can pull off a surprise in the final if we're up against one of these teams on the day.

CL I won't be shocked if struggled vs Porto, our cup performances in Europe have been woeful. Yeah depends on draw if we get through. But in Europe our sloppiness will get punished more.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal all over them, no idea how they aren't winning already

Need to score whilst on top otherwise Liverpool will do what they do best and score on the counter

Should be game over all ready. This has been issue all season not clinical enough

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Havertz has been sloppy, not getting his passes quite right

If he's going to play up front he'll need to use the ball better

 

[Amjid Javed]

Why the fk are the trying to walk the ball into the net

 

[Amjid Javed]

Havertz has been sloppy, not getting his passes quite right

If he's going to play up front he'll need to use the ball better

He's 1st touch is like a trampoline, his shooting isn't much better either

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

That attempt from Havertz was embarrassing, good football leading up to it

 

[Amjid Javed]

That attempt from Havertz was embarrassing, good football leading up to it

Krusty the clown in football boots

 

[Amjid Javed]

Havertz heads wide unmarked from 3 yards

Absolutely

 

[Amjid Javed]

Another chance wasted by havertz. Pathetic 1st touch

 

[Amjid Javed]

TAA now hits the bar for Liverpool

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Havertz is useless, get Nketiah or Trossard on

 

[MenInG]

Havertz is useless, get Nketiah or Trossard on

Timid Asad Shafiq style shooting at the ball!

 

[Amjid Javed]

HT 0-0

Donkey havertz should have had 4 goals in this half, absolutely Garbage player

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Timid Asad Shafiq style shooting at the ball!

He just seems to be playing in his own world, just so casual

 

[MenInG]

HALF-TIME
Arsenal 0-0 Liverpool

A cracking watch but how on earth are Arsenal not ahead?

 

[Amjid Javed]

HALF-TIME
Arsenal 0-0 Liverpool

A cracking watch but how on earth are Arsenal not ahead?

No shock really, trying to walk the ball into the net which is utter pathetic.

This is why Arsenal have won 1 out of last 5 games, not clinical enough

 

[Amjid Javed]

Havertz is useless, get Nketiah or Trossard on

May as well bring gunnersaurus on, he would do a better job

 

[Amjid Javed]

Liverpool now looking dangerous and creating chances

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Liverpool have upped their tempo and are creating chances now

Arsenal will regret missing all those chances in the first half

 

[Amjid Javed]

All Liverpool now as nunez goes close, warning signs for Arsenal

 

[Amjid Javed]

Liverpool have upped their tempo and are creating chances now

Arsenal will regret missing all those chances in the first half

100% I knew Liverpool would be more dangerous as game went on

 

[Amjid Javed]

Brilliant tackle by saliba

Oddegard needs to stop crying on 50:50 tackles

 

[Amjid Javed]

What a sitter by saka

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Decent cross from Havertz, Saka should be scoring that

 

[Amjid Javed]

Jota on for Liverpool, always scores against Arsenal

 

[Amjid Javed]

Another shocker from saka

Arsenal subs won't happen till 70th min as usual

 

[Amjid Javed]

Decent cross from Havertz, Saka should be scoring that

Sakas be just behind havertz in wastefulness today

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Saka has turned into Havertz in this half

Arsenal have been so wasteful

 

[Amjid Javed]

Saka has turned into Havertz in this half

Arsenal have been so wasteful

Zero composure, this just emphasis need for a clinical striker

 

[Amjid Javed]

Won't be shocked if this game is won by a miskick or deflected goal

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Martinelli is roasting TAA here

Just lacking the final pass/shot

 

[Amjid Javed]

Awful pass by nunez, Arsenal very luck their could have been 1-0 Liverpool

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Saka and Havertz need to stop shooting and look for a pass instead

 

[Amjid Javed]

Brilliant save by Ramsdale to deny diaz

 

[Amjid Javed]

Jota now hits the bar and nunez misses a sitter

 

[Amjid Javed]

Saka and Havertz need to stop shooting and look for a pass instead

Havertz should have been taken off by now

 

[Amjid Javed]

Liverpool looking more likely to win this now

 

[Amjid Javed]

Stupid free kick given away

Great delivery by TAA and kiwor scores an OG

 

[Amjid Javed]

Won't be shocked if this game is won by a miskick or deflected goal

1-0 Liverpool via OG

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Oh Arsenal, such a self inflicted result

Overall the better team with the better chances but find themselves about to lose