Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed

The goal is to win the league and make a strong impact in the UCL. Winning domestic cups means very little if you are not fighting for the title. Arteta also won the FA in his first season but it did nothing for the club because it was still a long way away from fighting for the title.

Arsenal is now is a title contender and it has been since 2022, and the only reason it has become a title contender again is because of Arteta. If Arteta could revive Arsenal from the rock-bottom situation in 2019 to title contenders today, he will also take the club from title contenders to champions.

Arsenal is very, very close and the fans need to exercise a little patience because Arteta is the right man for the job and has earned the faith of the club and the supporters.

If Arsenal don't win the league this season it will be disappointing, but we have to remember that it is Arteta who has put the club back in a position where not winning the title feels like a disappointment.

The goal every season is to win every trophy available, that's what man city and other clubs with elite mentality to.

This excuse that oh Arteta has won the FA Cup, and he doesn't need to win it again is biggest load of nonsense going.

Impact in CL is winning it, no one care about making 1/4 or 1/2 and being knocked out

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed

Kiwior was signed as CB not as LB/LWB. He serves his purpose as Gabriel's backup. If he is not happy to be on the bench, he can leave and Arsenal will sign another left-footed CB.

Jorginho has served his purpose as a backup CDM. I hope you do realize that if Jorginho was not signed, all those minutes would have gone to Elneny. He was a necessary signing under the circumstances and you cannot find a better professional and someone with more pedigree and experience for this role.

Absolutely rubbish and just goes back to my point this club has no ambition to win the league.

Last January we were top of the league and needed to sign players to help us win the league.

All we heard from you was that kiwor was the polish Maldini and that jorghino experience in winning CL and titles at Chelsea would help Arsenal win the title.

Now your saying these players are "back ups"

Well guess what these mediocre "back ups" as you call it haven't improved the squad or the depth, or did they help Arsensl get over the line

So quit your nonsense on that Arsenal recruitment is amazing and they are showing ambition to win titles. Everyone knew last January TW was poor and lack ambition, yet you were doing bhangra over it and now your just making excuses.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

If winning the title is the be-all and end-all, you will have to sack 19 managers every season. Changing managers is the last thing that Arsenal should be looking to do and I can assure that it is not even something that will be remotely discussed by the board.

What the club needs right now is to keep backing Arteta in the market so that he can complete the rebuild since he has already shown that he has what it takes to improve the standing of the club. Arsenal is very, very close and just needs a finishing touch now (no pun intended) and you have to back Arteta to oversee it.

By finishing second last season, this season is/Was meant to be to kick on and win the league. Hes spent over 200million since finishing second, but I would agree it's priority to bring in a center forward in the January market.

If not and Arsenal finish second or third then Arteta has to be moved on to get the Gooners to get to the next level which is the TITLE.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

The goal every season is to win every trophy available, that's what man city and other clubs with elite mentality to.

This excuse that oh Arteta has won the FA Cup, and he doesn't need to win it again is biggest load of nonsense going.

Impact in CL is winning it, no one care about making 1/4 or 1/2 and being knocked out

You can start the season wanting to win every trophy available but that's not realistic

I would argue only City really expect to win every season because of the standards that they have set, partly because of the ownership but that's been massively in place since Pep has raised their standards to such a level

Even Liverpool have had off seasons, at no point has that been deemed a failure to the point you get rid of the manager

Obviously I'm not here to change your opinion on Arteta, I just think sometimes we have to be realistic with the standards and expectations

Looking from the outside I think Arsenal have improved quite significantly under Arteta, I understand there could be an argument whether he has hit his ceiling but think he should be given more time to really establish whether that is the case

 

[shaz619]

Arteta should get a statue, but attach it to the Wenger one; to its rear end for his commendable efforts

 

[Amjid Javed]

You can start the season wanting to win every trophy available but that's not realistic

I would argue only City really expect to win every season because of the standards that they have set, partly because of the ownership but that's been massively in place since Pep has raised their standards to such a level

Even Liverpool have had off seasons, at no point has that been deemed a failure to the point you get rid of the manager

Obviously I'm not here to change your opinion on Arteta, I just think sometimes we have to be realistic with the standards and expectations

Looking from the outside I think Arsenal have improved quite significantly under Arteta, I understand there could be an argument whether he has hit his ceiling but think he should be given more time to really establish whether that is the case

Feel free to take Arteta at Newcastle once Eddie howe gets sacked at somepoint.

He will be perfect at a club at Newcastle who have no ambition and you can keep celebrating improvement and progress.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Feel free to take Arteta at Newcastle once Eddie howe gets sacked at somepoint.

He will be perfect at a club at Newcastle who have no ambition and you can keep celebrating improvement and progress.

Nah, I'm happy with Eddie Howe and I am realistic about our progression

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nah, I'm happy with Eddie Howe and I am realistic about our progression

Of course you are, because Newcastle have no ambition.

Arsenal are heading for a 4th trophyless season in a row, and haven't even lookf like winning the cups since we last won FA cup.

That's not progression

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Of course you are, because Newcastle have no ambition.

Arsenal are heading for a 4th trophyless season in a row, and haven't even lookf like winning the cups since we last won FA cup.

That's not progression

Not sure why you feel the need to project your own issues with your own clubs onto others

I'm content with how progression works, we've been terrible for ages and we now have some hope but I'm not deluded to think we'll get there in an instant, progression takes time and it isn't always linear

You on the other hand talk about these high standards but in reality you've went 20 years without winning the league and it's only thanks to Arteta you've gotten close to it

I don't even get what enjoyment you get out of football, you just seem angry about it all the time, that can't be healthy. The moment Arsenal lose you just have a go at Arsenal fans that have more patience and are happy with the progression, yet you claim it's because they have a loser mentality and you have some special elite mentality. But where has that elite mentality gotten you? Apart from angry and seemingly with very little enjoyment

As for progression, when Arteta took over Arsenal were a real laughing stock (think of Man U right now), people would watch AFTV for the regular meltdowns but last season they came very close to winning the title, that too against a City side coached by arguably the greatest coach the world has ever seen. Recent form has been poor but Arsenal are still in a title race. That's progression.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not sure why you feel the need to project your own issues with your own clubs onto others

I'm content with how progression works, we've been terrible for ages and we now have some hope but I'm not deluded to think we'll get there in an instant, progression takes time and it isn't always linear

You on the other hand talk about these high standards but in reality you've went 20 years without winning the league and it's only thanks to Arteta you've gotten close to it

I don't even get what enjoyment you get out of football, you just seem angry about it all the time, that can't be healthy. The moment Arsenal lose you just have a go at Arsenal fans that have more patience and are happy with the progression, yet you claim it's because they have a loser mentality and you have some special elite mentality. But where has that elite mentality gotten you? Apart from angry and seemingly with very little enjoyment

As for progression, when Arteta took over Arsenal were a real laughing stock (think of Man U right now), people would watch AFTV for the regular meltdowns but last season they came very close to winning the title, that too against a City side coached by arguably the greatest coach the world has ever seen. Recent form has been poor but Arsenal are still in a title race. That's progression.

Arsenal were a laughing stock when Arteta took over? We had finished 5th in league season before and got to a europa league final. We weren't exactly languishing as relegation fodder like Newcastle or Aston Villa.

You seem to forget Arteta took the club backwards. Also out of Europe.

So now 1 title tilt and its "progess", even brendan Rogers and poch got their teams into a title challenge.

Every season since winning FA cup, Arsenal other cups results have been poor and not even remotely competitive, bordering on embarrassing. European Performances being a shambles aswell

So 4 years on, Arsenal can't even balance being competitive on all fronts. Forget trying to win 4 trophies available, the performances have been a shambles.

So yeah like I said at Newcastle you might be happy with cup exits and "progession" I ain't.

Arsenal are a big club judged on trophies they win.

700M spent across 4 years, you should have a good enough squad to be competitive in all competitions, Arsenal aren't. 1 title challenge in 4 seasons, and nothing else to show, but fans should be getting gassed up and content.

No other club is going through this 5 phases nonsense aswell, only reason club did this was so they could lower expectations so that cheerleaders with zero standards like mamoon, immy69, MenInG, firebat etc.. can portray fake happiness.

Seen enough experience at Arsenal and football in general to know this club ain't winning titles under this fraud of a manager.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You can start the season wanting to win every trophy available but that's not realistic

I would argue only City really expect to win every season because of the standards that they have set, partly because of the ownership but that's been massively in place since Pep has raised their standards to such a level

Even Liverpool have had off seasons, at no point has that been deemed a failure to the point you get rid of the manager.

When both Chelsea and man united were dominating the PL before City / Liverpool, they looked to try and win every trophy. That why they won multiple trophies on numerous occasions.

Man city have taken over that mantel. There was a point where Liverpool use to neglect the league cup and FA Cup, pure because klopp wanted to win the CL, which they did. Since then Liverpool almost won a quadrouple, they also are still in 4 competitions this season.

That's what you can big clubs showing ambition. Yet at Arsenal cups are being dropped because their is "bigger fish to try"

Two seasons ago all cups dropped, as focus was top 4 which was bottled.

Last season, all cups dropped to focus on the league, which was bottled.

Arsenal aint a luxury position to so called pick and choose what competitions they can take seriously or not.

If you look at Arsenal's previous title wins it usually precided with either winning an FA Cup as well or going deep into another competition. Now it's embarrassing defeats early on.

So all this its not realistic nonsense is biggest loads bullcrap, which I'd expect mamoon to come up with let alone you

If a managers been in charge 4 years and been given luxury of large amounts of money to spend, I expect to challenge on all fronts

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arsenal were a laughing stock when Arteta took over? We had finished 5th in league season before and got to a europa league final. We weren't exactly languishing as relegation fodder like Newcastle or Aston Villa.

You seem to forget Arteta took the club backwards. Also out of Europe.

So now 1 title tilt and its "progess", even brendan Rogers and poch got their teams into a title challenge.

Every season since winning FA cup, Arsenal other cups results have been poor and not even remotely competitive, bordering on embarrassing. European Performances being a shambles aswell

So 4 years on, Arsenal can't even balance being competitive on all fronts. Forget trying to win 4 trophies available, the performances have been a shambles.

So yeah like I said at Newcastle you might be happy with cup exits and "progession" I ain't.

Arsenal are a big club judged on trophies they win.

700M spent across 4 years, you should have a good enough squad to be competitive in all competitions, Arsenal aren't. 1 title challenge in 4 seasons, and nothing else to show, but fans should be getting gassed up and content.

No other club is going through this 5 phases nonsense aswell, only reason club did this was so they could lower expectations so that cheerleaders with zero standards like mamoon, immy69, MenInG, firebat etc.. can portray fake happiness.

Seen enough experience at Arsenal and football in general to know this club ain't winning titles under this fraud of a manager.

On the one hand you dismiss finishing 2nd like Arteta did last season and then on the other hand you want to claim being 5th wasn't a laughing stock?

Also, you are being quite selective by talking about where Arsenal had finished rather than where Arsenal were when Emery was sacked. Arsenal were 8 points off top 4 and were 7 games without a win, what were your super, duper, elite standards saying about that?

It's 20 years since you won the league, you can claim to have high standards and want to win the league every season but in reality that is just delusional.

You can carry on having these high standards but the end result is you'll just constantly be angry and disappointed because Arsenal are not going to be that club that wins the league every season.

 

[MK7Z]

Not sure why you feel the need to project your own issues with your own clubs onto others

I'm content with how progression works, we've been terrible for ages and we now have some hope but I'm not deluded to think we'll get there in an instant, progression takes time and it isn't always linear

You on the other hand talk about these high standards but in reality you've went 20 years without winning the league and it's only thanks to Arteta you've gotten close to it

I don't even get what enjoyment you get out of football, you just seem angry about it all the time, that can't be healthy. The moment Arsenal lose you just have a go at Arsenal fans that have more patience and are happy with the progression, yet you claim it's because they have a loser mentality and you have some special elite mentality. But where has that elite mentality gotten you? Apart from angry and seemingly with very little enjoyment

As for progression, when Arteta took over Arsenal were a real laughing stock (think of Man U right now), people would watch AFTV for the regular meltdowns but last season they came very close to winning the title, that too against a City side coached by arguably the greatest coach the world has ever seen. Recent form has been poor but Arsenal are still in a title race. That's progression.

Very nicely put.

I have thought about posting something similar but didnt want to be labelled as a Arteta fan boy or be accused of twerking.

Is there a way to nominate for the Post of the Week thing they do here on PP

A few people have shared videos of a guy called Lee Gunner with me. He has similar "standards" and also calls Odegard names and talks about his hair flicks. Moans every week that we should have signed Maddison and then sits on Streams with Man United fans and cusses the hell out of the team he is meant to support....sound familiar?

I wonder the same about him, why does he watch football if he just likes to rant all the time. The reply is normally that he has seen GG and Anfield 89 etc etc as though that gives him the god given right to whine all the time.

Enjoy the game is what I say. I tell my self no need to get emotional about something I have no control over.

 

[Saj]

The biggest problem Arsenal face is the lack of quality in the backup players.

The likes of Man City and Liverpool can bring in players into the starting XI who are very good, but Arsenal seem to have a lot of average/out of form players who when called upon rarely perform.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Premier League is stronger than ever in its history, in regards to teams beating each other. Chelsea are 11th!

Any of the top 11 can beat each other on a given day unless its against City away or Liverpool away, both of these clubs have made their home grounds very strong. Of course upsets can still happen but its very rare.

The points above are relating to Arsenal having a high net spend , they should be dominating teams at home with a manger who has been there for 4+ years now. But the team doesnt look getting close to the high levels of City or LFC have been at their best.

Arsenal deserve better, they have a huge fanbase, huge ticket sales and should be attracting the best players from the world. Yet they have only bought in to world class players imo, Saliba and Rice. If Arteta was Liverpool manager, we would be in dangerous trouble with the spend to his disposable.

Half the season to go still but it could go two ways, Arsenal could find some magic long term form and be there at the end to win the league but more realistically, once the CL game return, injuries mount, top 4 could be struggle esp with so many other clubs around 4th and below.

 

[Technics 1210]

What I find in this thread is the true essence of PP, and that is PASSION!

AJ coming in from the reality front, with the highest bar possible, and why not? Mamoon has the highest bar set in Cricket, so why not in football?

Some of you complaining on the 1UP-ship after each game need a reality check, what you are witnessing is passion, and if you cannot handle it, then ignore it, because we're not interested in paraphrases from the BBC, we want to hear it from the fans/supporters (excluding glory chasers), or better yet, if you have a problem with the passion in this thread, then head over to the official forums for each PL team and you will quickly realise that this thread does not even hold a candle to the passion displayed elsewhere.

And yes, Managers do get the sack when expectations are not met. It is no big secret. Look at the number of managers at Man U since SAF for example, why so many have been sacked - Moyes, Giggs, Gaal, Mourinho, Ole, Carrick, Rangnick - and now the future of Hag is in the balance. ALL WITHIN 10 YEARS! This is what? On average 1 new manager at Man U every 1.5 years since SAF retired? Yet some are content with 4 trophyless years with Arteta? As AJ said, low standards.

If you are considered to be in the top 6 of the greatest Footy league in the world, then expect to be held accountable by the highest standards, cos if you ain't winning any silverware during your tenure, then you're out, and Arteta is no exception!

 

[Amjid Javed]

The biggest problem Arsenal face is the lack of quality in the backup players.

The likes of Man City and Liverpool can bring in players into the starting XI who are very good, but Arsenal seem to have a lot of average/out of form players who when called upon rarely perform.

700M spent in 4 years, more than enough time to buy squad depth.

Instead we have seen signings like tavares, lakonga, Vieira, jorghino, havertz, kiwor, trossard etc.. New contracts for nketitah and Nelson.

Facts are Edu, Arteta recruitment in building a squad has been a shambles. Yes the 1st 11 looks great. But you don't win titles with just a good 1st 11.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Premier League is stronger than ever in its history, in regards to teams beating each other. Chelsea are 11th!

Any of the top 11 can beat each other on a given day unless its against City away or Liverpool away, both of these clubs have made their home grounds very strong. Of course upsets can still happen but its very rare.

The points above are relating to Arsenal having a high net spend , they should be dominating teams at home with a manger who has been there for 4+ years now. But the team doesnt look getting close to the high levels of City or LFC have been at their best.

Arsenal deserve better, they have a huge fanbase, huge ticket sales and should be attracting the best players from the world. Yet they have only bought in to world class players imo, Saliba and Rice. If Arteta was Liverpool manager, we would be in dangerous trouble with the spend to his disposable.

Half the season to go still but it could go two ways, Arsenal could find some magic long term form and be there at the end to win the league but more realistically, once the CL game return, injuries mount, top 4 could be struggle esp with so many other clubs around 4th and below.

Yes the PL has got stronger and the like of Villa, spurs, Newcastle, Brighton have improved. Which means that the likes of an Arsenal, Liverpool etc. Couldn't afford to stagnate. But that's Arsenal are doing because their is no plan B, also 200M spent in summer and looking worse than last season.

Problem for teams now is if they fall behind it will be tougher to get back into top contenders fold.

 

[Amjid Javed]

On the one hand you dismiss finishing 2nd like Arteta did last season and then on the other hand you want to claim being 5th wasn't a laughing stock?

Also, you are being quite selective by talking about where Arsenal had finished rather than where Arsenal were when Emery was sacked. Arsenal were 8 points off top 4 and were 7 games without a win, what were your super, duper, elite standards saying about that?

It's 20 years since you won the league, you can claim to have high standards and want to win the league every season but in reality that is just delusional.

You can carry on having these high standards but the end result is you'll just constantly be angry and disappointed because Arsenal are not going to be that club that wins the league every season.

Where did I dismiss Artetas 2nd place finish? I simply compared it to Rogers and poch doing the same thing. This is why I rank Arteta in that mediocre company

It's funny how I have brought up the failure to be competitive in all other competitions and you conviently choose to ignore it and address it. So after 4 seasons in charge at a big club you think continual failures in cups and Europe is acceptable?

Also if you could learn to read I said that Emery was right to sacked previously on this forum. Emery had no wins in 7 well guess what Einstein

Arteta went on an even worse run of 1 win in 10 games, losing 7 including losing to Leicester, Burnley and wolves at home. So even worse than Emery.

So whatever irrelevant point you were trying to make holds zero substance. Emery was pretty similar to moyes, going in after a clubs greatest managers so was always going to be tough. In the end he was rightly sacked.

Arteta has broken more bad records at Arsenal then he has good ones, so let's not even go there I was happily take you back to school on that one.

All big clubs have gone through huge title droughts. United went 20+ years without a title, now have gone 10 years, Liverpool have won 1 title in 30 years so again what irrelevant nonsense are drumming up.

Arsenal were competitive up until 07/08 season. Then the club became interested in just making top 4. So that's a drop in standards. The current owners don't care about titles, they care about CL money If they did you wouldn't have edu in a sky sports interview in January last season when asked I'd Arsenal were going to win title and his response was target is top 4.

This season you have Emery and martinez at Villa asked in interview saying they are in a title race, that's elite mentality.

You can flap ur gums all you want about angry etc.. facts are Arsenal don't have ambition for titles, if they did their would be accountability at the club etc.. the fact most of fan base make excuses for failure is another reason club won't win titles.

No club is going to win title evert season, but Arsenal have resources to win trophies, but an incompetent manager. Owners with no ambition and loser fans like mamoon and few others, its no wonder they will fall short.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Where did I dismiss Artetas 2nd place finish? I simply compared it to Rogers and poch doing the same thing. This is why I rank Arteta in that mediocre company

It's funny how I have brought up the failure to be competitive in all other competitions and you conviently choose to ignore it and address it. So after 4 seasons in charge at a big club you think continual failures in cups and Europe is acceptable?

Also if you could learn to read I said that Emery was right to sacked previously on this forum. Emery had no wins in 7 well guess what Einstein

Arteta went on an even worse run of 1 win in 10 games, losing 7 including losing to Leicester, Burnley and wolves at home. So even worse than Emery.

So whatever irrelevant point you were trying to make holds zero substance. Emery was pretty similar to moyes, going in after a clubs greatest managers so was always going to be tough. In the end he was rightly sacked.

Arteta has broken more bad records at Arsenal then he has good ones, so let's not even go there I was happily take you back to school on that one.

All big clubs have gone through huge title droughts. United went 20+ years without a title, now have gone 10 years, Liverpool have won 1 title in 30 years so again what irrelevant nonsense are drumming up.

Arsenal were competitive up until 07/08 season. Then the club became interested in just making top 4. So that's a drop in standards. The current owners don't care about titles, they care about CL money If they did you wouldn't have edu in a sky sports interview in January last season when asked I'd Arsenal were going to win title and his response was target is top 4.

This season you have Emery and martinez at Villa asked in interview saying they are in a title race, that's elite mentality.

You can flap ur gums all you want about angry etc.. facts are Arsenal don't have ambition for titles, if they did their would be accountability at the club etc.. the fact most of fan base make excuses for failure is another reason club won't win titles.

No club is going to win title evert season, but Arsenal have resources to win trophies, but an incompetent manager. Owners with no ambition and loser fans like mamoon and few others, its no wonder they will fall short.

You need to chill out man, this rage can't be healthy but if that's what works for you as an Arsenal fan then crack on

I don't care enough to over analyse each detail, I don't even like Arteta even if I do think he's done a good job

What I will say is you made a sly comment about Newcastle having no ambition earlier but reading your rants, sounds like your club lacks ambition according to you so sounds like you have the ideal manager

 

[Amjid Javed]

You need to chill out man, this rage can't be healthy but if that's what works for you as an Arsenal fan then crack on

I don't care enough to over analyse each detail, I don't even like Arteta even if I do think he's done a good job

What I will say is you made a sly comment about Newcastle having no ambition earlier but reading your rants, sounds like your club lacks ambition according to you so sounds like you have the ideal manager

Yeah Newcastle lack ambition, yeah Arsenal do as well, this is exactly why I criticise what is going on at Arsenal because with resources they have they should be doing better.

But it will be "oh we made CL again"

"We made progress"

If the club owners, fans etc... put pressure on to actually win stuff ud see better results.

For all the so called money man city throw around, its actually their ambition and drive on and off the pitch that keeps them doing well.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Yeah Newcastle lack ambition, yeah Arsenal do as well, this is exactly why I criticise what is going on at Arsenal because with resources they have they should be doing better.

But it will be "oh we made CL again"

"We made progress"

If the club owners, fans etc... put pressure on to actually win stuff ud see better results.

For all the so called money man city throw around, its actually their ambition and drive on and off the pitch that keeps them doing well.

I don't know the ins and outs of your club, I only follow my club intensely and it's more general for others but I think the Arsenal owners have shown reasonable ambition

I think you mentioned £700m spend, that's a decent amount and if I'm not mistaken Arsenal are very much at the FFP limit so without sales probably can't go out and spend £200-300m as easily

Obviously you don't think Arteta has done enough with that money but we've seen Chelsea and Man U spend significantly more and they are nowhere near so it's not easy to challenge for the title let alone win it

 

[Amjid Javed]

I don't know the ins and outs of your club, I only follow my club intensely and it's more general for others but I think the Arsenal owners have shown reasonable ambition

I think you mentioned £700m spend, that's a decent amount and if I'm not mistaken Arsenal are very much at the FFP limit so without sales probably can't go out and spend £200-300m as easily

Obviously you don't think Arteta has done enough with that money but we've seen Chelsea and Man U spend significantly more and they are nowhere near so it's not easy to challenge for the title let alone win it

Everyone use Chelsea and United spending comparison as an easy way out. Villa haven't spent anywhere near as much as Arsenal and are now doing well. Liverpool haven't spent as much ad Arsenal either and they are doing well.

First the 700M spent, most of that will have come from money club generate, not money the ktonkes have put in.

Secondly we were in a title race last season and where was the ambition in January to help win the title, the signings of jorghino and kiwor weren't ambitions. Even edu cake out in interview and said the target was top 4. If Arsenal wanted to win title last season they would have gone out and bought better player, players who know mikel clearly doesn't trust which just shows poor recruitment, poor squad management. We saw Sam's thing under wenger, every time team was short by 2/3 players of winning something, the club wud refuse to ho that extra mile to sign the top quality players needed to get over the line.

Arsenal made 150M plus for finishing 2nd, plus guaranteed CL group stage money this season so around 200M in total, that's excluding all other money club generates. Yet the club only spent 200M. When it could have spent a lot more, but owners ain't putting their own money in. No different to FSG.

When I talk about 700M, the last two seasons were about building out the squad to challenge in all competitions etc.. and title. We needed depth.

Instead we have seen Vieira, havertz, kiwor, jorginho etc.. signed and new contracts for nketitah, Nelson etc.. is it any wonder Arsenal fall short due to depth issue not beem sorted and team struggles when rotated. That's on Arteta and edu.

This goes to my point with resources the club has had its been pretty poorly used.

What made me laugh after Fulham game was Arteta saying team wasn't clinical enough in both boxes.

Yeah a manager who signed Jesus, gave nketitah a new contract, signed kiwor etc.. complaining team being impotent in key areas, the irony.

I wudnt trust Arteta If he was given another 200M - that he would spend it wisely, or get best our of players he signed.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Soon or later both Howe and Arteta will be replaced by better managers to move move on their respective clubs to the next level. Both are tactically inept when the going gets tough.

 

[MK7Z]

Yeah Newcastle lack ambition, yeah Arsenal do as well, this is exactly why I criticise what is going on at Arsenal because with resources they have they should be doing better.

But it will be "oh we made CL again"

"We made progress"

If the club owners, fans etc... put pressure on to actually win stuff ud see better results.

For all the so called money man city throw around, its actually their ambition and drive on and off the pitch that keeps them doing well.

And a 115 charges they have yet to fight against.

Some of Mikels decisions have been poor. Eddie and Riess contracts. No real upgrade on Xhaka to name a few. But in life you must live and Learn and Arteta has to learn fast.

Obviously the one that sticks out is Havertz. Could have easily put that towards a proper goal scorer. I said it in August. Arteta could die on the Havertz signing.

The main issue Arsenal have is needing a finisher. The world can see it. I read a stat the other day that 15 or 16 teams of the PL. Their top scorer has more goals than our top scorer....

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Gunners trio eyed

Keep up to date with all the latest transfer news, gossip, and rumours from Arsenal in talkSPORT's live blog.

The Gunners are challenging for the Premier League title once again this season but they are still eyeing improvements to their squad.

Mikel Arteta will be out to address his strikers' goalscoring issues while injuries have plagued the defence.

It looks set to be an active January at the Emirates with plenty of outgoing and incomings in North London.

Arsenal could look to sell Cedric Soares, Mohamed Elneny and Nuno Tavares this January, according to football.london.

The most likely of those to leave is Cedric, with the Portuguese defender reported to be attracting interest from Turkey.

Besiktas and Trabzonspor have both got their eye on the right back who has barely featured for the Gunners this season.Both Cedric and Elneny are free to talk to clubs about a pre-contract agreement with their deals running out in the summer.

Tavares may be recalled from his loan at Nottingham Forest should a team come in with a permanent offer for him.

Source : talkSPORT

 

[topspin]

@topspin

The Fulham game showed us why Arteta doesn’t prefer Iwior over Zinchenko.

Iwior was the reason why Fulham scored the first goal and if it was Zinchenko in his place, he would get crucified as usual.

But Iwior offered absolutely nothing on the ball and was not an outlet for Arsenal in terms of building from the back.

This is where Zinchenko proves his worth to the team and this is basically why Arteta intends to replace him with Timber who offers the same quality on the ball and but is a stronger defender.

Iwior should never play LB again. He should only be used as backup to Gabriel and if he is unwilling to sit on the bench then he should be offloaded.

You will say anything to defend Zinchenko and Havertz not because you rate them as players but because you blindly follow Arteta, who signed him. I bet if he was the one who signed Martinelli you would change your tune.

Zinchenko has played LB and we all know his defending is even worse. Kiwior may not be the best at defending against wingers but Zinchenko takes it to another level of monstrosity.

As for the goal, I've seen Zinchenko's positioning being just as bad countless times.

 

[Mamoon]

By finishing second last season, this season is/Was meant to be to kick on and win the league. Hes spent over 200million since finishing second, but I would agree it's priority to bring in a center forward in the January market.

If not and Arsenal finish second or third then Arteta has to be moved on to get the Gooners to get to the next level which is the TITLE.

So any manager who finished second in consecutive seasons should be sacked? This is exactly the type of circus that has hampered Chelsea and United. You need to exercise patience and have a long-term plan.

Arsenal needed a new direction after Wenger took the club as far as he could and was beginning to ruin his legacy. The board made a mistake by appointing Emery who was the wrong man for the job but quickly corrected their mistake by appointing Arteta who is the right man for the job.

Arteta took Arsenal from fighting to stay in the top half to fighting for the title. He is literally the reason why Arsenal fans have started dreaming of winning the PL and would consider not winning the PL a failure. This is the same club that was celebrated finishing fourth for over a decade.

Arteta's impact has been staggering and it is far too early to pass the verdict that he cannot take Arsenal to the next level when he has already taken Arsenal to several different levels. Sacking him would be absolute madness and it is a thought that is not even remotely entertained by the club.

 

[Mamoon]

You will say anything to defend Zinchenko and Havertz not because you rate them as players but because you blindly follow Arteta, who signed him. I bet if he was the one who signed Martinelli you would change your tune.

Zinchenko has played LB and we all know his defending is even worse. Kiwior may not be the best at defending against wingers but Zinchenko takes it to another level of monstrosity.

As for the goal, I've seen Zinchenko's positioning being just as bad countless times.

If I blindly followed Arteta, I wouldn't be frustrated by the fact that he has failed to see that Martinelli is not good enough to be a starting LW for Arsenal. I would support him because he clearly thinks Martinelli is good enough and he is clearly wrong.

I am not defending Zinchenko's defending (pun intended), I'm merely mentioning that the whole narrative that Iwior should play as LB took just one game to get exposed because Iwior struggles defensively and he offers nothing on the ball. He is not starter material and is only worthy of being Gabriel's backup.

 

[topspin]

I would give Arteta two full seasons after this one and if he doesn’t win a league title only then will I consider the possibility of discussing his future with the club.

Why not give him a lifetime contract?

You've become so brainwashed by Arteta, it's actually unreal.

I mean what's next? Is it time to buy Arteta branded turd?

 

[topspin]

If I blindly followed Arteta, I wouldn't be frustrated by the fact that he has failed to see that Martinelli is not good enough to be a starting LW for Arsenal. I would support him because he clearly thinks Martinelli is good enough and he is clearly wrong.

I am not defending Zinchenko's defending (pun intended), I'm merely mentioning that the whole narrative that Iwior should play as LB took just one game to get exposed because Iwior struggles defensively and he offers nothing on the ball. He is not starter material and is only worthy of being Gabriel's backup.

You didn't have the same energy on here when Zinchenko got schooled by Salah so easily during the Liverpool game. That level of defending was far far worse.

Kiwior didn't play well against Fulham and was rightly subbed off at half-time, however he needs to be given more games before we decide whether he should be Arsenal's 3rd choice LB, after Timber and Tomiyasu.

One thing I'm certain about is Zinchenko needs to be sold in the summer if Arteta is reluctant to try him in best position which is central midfield.

 

[Mamoon]

Absolutely rubbish and just goes back to my point this club has no ambition to win the league.

Last January we were top of the league and needed to sign players to help us win the league.

All we heard from you was that kiwor was the polish Maldini and that jorghino experience in winning CL and titles at Chelsea would help Arsenal win the title.

Now your saying these players are "back ups"

Well guess what these mediocre "back ups" as you call it haven't improved the squad or the depth, or did they help Arsensl get over the line

So quit your nonsense on that Arsenal recruitment is amazing and they are showing ambition to win titles. Everyone knew last January TW was poor and lack ambition, yet you were doing bhangra over it and now your just making excuses.

Please quote the post where someone called Kiwior the Polish Maldini. If you cannot reference the posts, you then need to say sorry for lying and putting words in people's mouths.

Kiwior was signed as a backup not as someone who will provide competition. You need to understand the difference. Kiwior has served his purpose as a backup and so has Jorginho. Arsenal's collapse had nothing to do with him. In fact, he helped Arsenal win quite a few points in Feb/March when Partey was unavailable.

You once again fail to understand why Jorginho was signed. He was basically signed to ensure that if Partey is unavailable, Elneny doesn't play. Who are the available options or were the available options at the time if not Jorginho? He was the best fit - experienced, proven performer and also at an age where he would accept sparse playing time.

Arsenal's recruitment has been excellent. This is why Arsenal went from a team struggling to stay in the top 10 to a team fighting to win the title. You cannot have such a trajectory and show such progress without quality recruiting. Excellent recruiting doesn't mean you won't make mistakes and have bad transfers. Literally every club in the world makes bad transfers, it is part of the game.

 

[Mamoon]

You didn't have the same energy on here when Zinchenko got schooled by Salah so easily during the Liverpool game. That level of defending was far far worse.

Kiwior didn't play well against Fulham and was rightly subbed off at half-time, however he needs to be given more games before we decide whether he should be Arsenal's 3rd choice LB, after Timber and Tomiyasu.

One thing I'm certain about is Zinchenko needs to be sold in the summer if Arteta is reluctant to try him in best position which is central midfield.

I don't have the same energy because Kiwior cannot compensate for his poor defending because he offers nothing on the ball. Zinchenko can make up for it by showing his quality offensively.

 

[Mamoon]

Why not give him a lifetime contract?

You've become so brainwashed by Arteta, it's actually unreal.

I mean what's next? Is it time to buy Arteta branded turd?

What alternatives do you have?

 

[topspin]

I don't have the same energy because Kiwior cannot compensate for his poor defending because he offers nothing on the ball. Zinchenko can make up for it by showing his quality offensively.

You know what's funny, everyone is now wondering why Tierney was allowed to leave.

Arsenal paying price for summer transfer mistake with Tierney replacement

Arsenal may be paying the price for letting Kieran Tierney leave on loan in the summer transfer window, leading to questions over the January strategy

www.football.london

Chris Sutton cannot understand why Arsenal allowed Tierney to leave - Just Arsenal News

Arsenal is facing a left-back crisis this month as Jakub Kiwior struggles in that role, and Takehiro Tomiyasu will leave for a few weeks to play for Japan at the Asian Cup.

www.justarsenal.com

You carry on cheerleading Zinchenko but I promise you you won't find a single Arsenal fan here who rates him anywhere near as much as you do.

 

[Mamoon]

The goal every season is to win every trophy available, that's what man city and other clubs with elite mentality to.

That is the ultimate goal but you have to work your way to a position where you can make that your goal. Arsenal is a club that had compromised standards for over a decade. It is a club that had forgotten what it feels like to enter a season aiming to win the league and compete properly in the UCL.

It is a club that celebrated 4th place like a trophy for over a decade. Arteta is the only reason why Arsenal has raised its standards again and the mentality has changed from fighting for a top four position to fighting to win the league. This is elite mentality and progression and you have to support the manager to get you over the line.

How can you doubt someone who has taken Arsenal from the banter era and struggling to finish in the top 10 to fighting for the title? If he took Arsenal from that position to this position, he can and will take Arsenal from this position to winning the league.

This excuse that oh Arteta has won the FA Cup, and he doesn't need to win it again is biggest load of nonsense going.

Literally no one has used this excuse ever. I coudn't care less about the FA Cup that he won in 2020 that did absolutely nothing for the club because the club was in shambles. You can win an FA Cup or League with a struggling team that has no direction and is far from competing for the title.

What I care about is the fact that under Arteta, Arsenal went from fighting to stay in the top 10 to fighting for the top 4 and now fighting to win the league and all of this has happened in a short period of time. He took over in December 2019 and by August 2022, Arsenal were ready to challenge for the title and he did it by spending less money than City (who already had a champion team when he took over as Arsenal manager), United and Chelsea.

Arteta is the only reason the club is where it is today but ungrateful, delusional and impatient fans cannot see the reality and talk about "standards" and "elite mentality" when the club had no standards and rotten mentality for 10+ years before Arteta took over.

Be thankful to Arteta for what he has done for Arsenal and for making these toxic fans dream of winning the title again.

Impact in CL is winning it, no one care about making 1/4 or 1/2 and being knocked out

There is only won winner. It doesn't mean everyone else failed. You can have a good tournament without going all the way. Do all big clubs sack managers every season for not winning the UCL? No they don't.

 

[Mamoon]

You know what's funny, everyone is now wondering why Tierney was allowed to leave.

Arsenal paying price for summer transfer mistake with Tierney replacement

Arsenal may be paying the price for letting Kieran Tierney leave on loan in the summer transfer window, leading to questions over the January strategy

www.football.london

Chris Sutton cannot understand why Arsenal allowed Tierney to leave - Just Arsenal News

Arsenal is facing a left-back crisis this month as Jakub Kiwior struggles in that role, and Takehiro Tomiyasu will leave for a few weeks to play for Japan at the Asian Cup.

www.justarsenal.com

You carry on cheerleading Zinchenko but I promise you you won't find a single Arsenal fan here who rates him anywhere near as much as you do.

People are stupid if they are still wondering. Tierney doesn't fit into Arteta's plans because he is a conventional, orthodox LB and Arteta doesn't want that. He wants to play inverted LBs and this is why he bought Timber. Him and Zinchenko were going to be Arsenal's two inverted LBs. Kiwior was going to be Gabriel's back and Tomiyasu was going to provide cover to Ben White and Saliba. Meanwhile, Timber and White could also slot in as CBs.

Timber's injury caused a lot of problems and ruined Arteta's plans for this season. You can't account for such things. It was unfortunate.

If I rated Zinchenko very highly, I wouldn't want Timber to replace him when he is back. However, I can explain the rationale behind playing him and what he has brought to the team overall. He is an easy target because people want to protect their favorites.

 

[topspin]

What alternatives do you have?

As for alternatives, Diego Simeone, Xabi Alonso and Francesco Farioli

 

[Mamoon]

As for alternatives, Diego Simeone, Xabi Alonso and Francesco Farioli

Diego Simeone will not leave his comfort zone of Atletico because it is the only club that will accept the type of football that he promotes.

Xabi Alonso has made a great start to his coaching career but he is completely unproven so if you are going to sack Arteta because he doesn’t have the experience of winning titles, why on earth would you replace him with someone even more inexperienced?

Besides, Alonso will replace Ancelotti at Madrid. Everyone know this. He has eyes on that job too.

Farioli? A completely unproven manager who has only been managing for two years that too in Turkey and France and has won nothing. What makes you think he is more capable of helping Arsenal win the PL than Arteta?

If these are the “alternatives” that you can come up with it makes it very obvious why the board has full faith in Arteta and why he is the best man for the job.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Please quote the post where someone called Kiwior the Polish Maldini. If you cannot reference the posts, you then need to say sorry for lying and putting words in people's mouths.

Kiwior was signed as a backup not as someone who will provide competition. You need to understand the difference. Kiwior has served his purpose as a backup and so has Jorginho. Arsenal's collapse had nothing to do with him. In fact, he helped Arsenal win quite a few points in Feb/March when Partey was unavailable.

You once again fail to understand why Jorginho was signed. He was basically signed to ensure that if Partey is unavailable, Elneny doesn't play. Who are the available options or were the available options at the time if not Jorginho? He was the best fit - experienced, proven performer and also at an age where he would accept sparse playing time.

Arsenal's recruitment has been excellent. This is why Arsenal went from a team struggling to stay in the top 10 to a team fighting to win the title. You cannot have such a trajectory and show such progress without quality recruiting. Excellent recruiting doesn't mean you won't make mistakes and have bad transfers. Literally every club in the world makes bad transfers, it is part of the game.

utter garbage again, so a team in a title challenge bought "back ups" when like for like quality players or better players were needed to maintain a challenge.

The fact kiwor wasn't good enough, meant Ron holding was persisted with which Is incompetence of the highest level.

The poor squad depth current is down to poor recruitment, that's why after a few injuries or squad has to he rotated the team drops points or struggles.

This nonsense of a good 1st 11 and average back ups don't win titles.

Yet more moronic excuses from you as per usual. Grow a pair of balls and actually criticise for once rather then being on your knees worshiping edu and Arteta like the messiah

 

[Mamoon]

utter garbage again, so a team in a title challenge bought "back ups" when like for like quality players or better players were needed to maintain a challenge.

The fact kiwor wasn't good enough, meant Ron holding was persisted with which Is incompetence of the highest level.

The poor squad depth current is down to poor recruitment, that's why after a few injuries or squad has to he rotated the team drops points or struggles.

This nonsense of a good 1st 11 and average back ups don't win titles.

Yet more moronic excuses from you as per usual. Grow a pair of balls and actually criticise for once rather then being on your knees worshiping edu and Arteta like the messiah

Please quote the post where I or someone else called Kiwior the Polish Maldini. Quote the post or apologize for lying.

 

[Amjid Javed]

People are stupid if they are still wondering. Tierney doesn't fit into Arteta's plans because he is a conventional, orthodox LB and Arteta doesn't want that. He wants to play inverted LBs and this is why he bought Timber. Him and Zinchenko were going to be Arsenal's two inverted LBs. Kiwior was going to be Gabriel's back and Tomiyasu was going to provide cover to Ben White and Saliba. Meanwhile, Timber and White could also slot in as CBs.

Timber's injury caused a lot of problems and ruined Arteta's plans for this season. You can't account for such things. It was unfortunate.

If I rated Zinchenko very highly, I wouldn't want Timber to replace him when he is back. However, I can explain the rationale behind playing him and what he has brought to the team overall. He is an easy target because people want to protect their favorites.

A manager who only wants to plan one way and gets found out. All great managers are tactically flexible and make use of resources they have, they change up things if they have to

Arteta is clueless has he doesn't have basic intelligence to change things, be pragmatic. Also he doesn't have the ability to win ugly or be any means necessary, if he did Arsensl wouldn't gave bottled top 4 and a PL title in last 2 seasons.

Keep twerking for mediocrity and keep the excuses rolling

 

[Mamoon]

utter garbage again, so a team in a title challenge bought "back ups" when like for like quality players or better players were needed to maintain a challenge.

The fact kiwor wasn't good enough, meant Ron holding was persisted with which Is incompetence of the highest level.

The poor squad depth current is down to poor recruitment, that's why after a few injuries or squad has to he rotated the team drops points or struggles.

This nonsense of a good 1st 11 and average back ups don't win titles.

Yet more moronic excuses from you as per usual. Grow a pair of balls and actually criticise for once rather then being on your knees worshiping edu and Arteta like the messiah

Kiwior is left footed, he can’t play RCB. When Saliba got injured, Holding had to replace him especially because Tomiyasu was injured too.

Kiwior is Gabriel’s backup not Saliba’s.

You can’t go from 8th to 5th to 2nd with bad recruitment. It never happens. Also, speaking of ambition, the club has the ambition to win the PL which is why they sanctioned a £105m transfer.

You don’t spend that kind of money on one player if you are only aiming for a top four finish.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Please quote the post where I or someone else called Kiwior the Polish Maldini. Quote the post or apologize for lying.

demanding apologies, only apology will be when your wiping your tears at end of season when Arsenal are trophyless again.

"But but we should give Arteta another 10 years because he gets me excited because my standards are in the gutter"

 

[Mamoon]

A manager who only wants to plan one way and gets found out. All great managers are tactically flexible and make use of resources they have, they change up things if they have to

Arteta is clueless has he doesn't have basic intelligence to change things, be pragmatic. Also he doesn't have the ability to win ugly or be any means necessary, if he did Arsensl wouldn't gave bottled top 4 and a PL title in last 2 seasons.

Keep twerking for mediocrity and keep the excuses rolling

Arsenal have won a lot of ugly matches this season and in fact, Arsenal have been playing dull football all season because Arteta has compromised attacking flair for more defensive solidity this season which shows his versatility.

The team is in a bad patch right now and needs some tactical tweaking and let’s see how the team responds in the upcoming games.

 

[Mamoon]

demanding apologies, only apology will be when your wiping your tears at end of season when Arsenal are trophyless again.

"But but we should give Arteta another 10 years because he gets me excited because my standards are in the gutter"

So you admit that you were lying. Thank you.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Kiwior is left footed, he can’t play RCB. When Saliba got injured, Holding had to replace him especially because Tomiyasu was injured too.

Kiwior is Gabriel’s backup not Saliba’s.

You can’t go from 8th to 5th to 2nd with bad recruitment. It never happens. Also, speaking of ambition, the club has the ambition to win the PL which is why they sanctioned a £105m transfer.

You don’t spend that kind of money on one player if you are only aiming for a top four finish.

@topspin @Technics 1210 @KingKhanWC

what utter nonsense.

So a Left footed CB can't at RCB . So by that logic a right footed CB can't play LCB.

Comedy Post of 2024

Actually

greatest comedy post in history of PP

Adams / bould
Adams / keown
Campbell / toure
rio / vidic
Terry / carvahalo
van dyk / matip

All these top CB parings and all players who were right footed.

One of these right footed players had to play at LCB. So your pathetic theory is nonsense that 2 players whose strongest foot are the same cant play together

All you've done here is just prove your just as stupid as Arteta.

Kiwor played with Gabriel against Chelsea and Newcastle at RCB, why? Because Arteta finally realized put out your best available players, rather than being stubborn.

You really are clueless as they come.

Oh tomiyassu got injured, you mean a guy who is made out of glass and gas misses 30+ games in his 1st two seasons, if you are going to depend on players who can't stay fit that's just plain dumb.

You were doing bhangra over Arsenal's recruitment but now your saying kiwor and Jorginho aren't good enough

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal have won a lot of ugly matches this season and in fact, Arsenal have been playing dull football all season because Arteta has compromised attacking flair for more defensive solidity this season which shows his versatility.

The team is in a bad patch right now and needs some tactical tweaking and let’s see how the team responds in the upcoming games.

I said ugly matches at pressure end of the season. Learn to read.

Losing 3 games in a row to palace, brighton, Southampton. Losing to spurs and Newcastle

Bottling games vs Liverpool, West ham, Southampton and City

That's the last 2 seasons at pressure end. Keep thr excuses coming

 

[Mamoon]

@topspin @Technics 1210 @KingKhanWC

what utter nonsense.

So a Left footed CB can't at RCB . So by that logic a right footed CB can't play LCB.

Comedy Post of 2024

Actually

greatest comedy post in history of PP

Adams / bould
Adams / keown
Campbell / toure
rio / vidic
Terry / carvahalo
van dyk / matip

All these top CB parings and all players who were right footed.

One of these right footed players had to play at LCB. So your pathetic theory is nonsense that 2 players whose strongest foot are the same cant play together

All you've done here is just prove your just as stupid as Arteta.

Kiwor played with Gabriel against Chelsea and Newcastle at RCB, why? Because Arteta finally realized put out your best available players, rather than being stubborn.

You really are clueless as they come.

Oh tomiyassu got injured, you mean a guy who is made out of glass and gas misses 30+ games in his 1st two seasons, if you are going to depend on players who can't stay fit that's just plain dumb.

You were doing bhangra over Arsenal's recruitment but now your saying kiwor and Jorginho aren't good enough

Such a long, incoherent, poorly written post to say basically nothing, and you want to tag your three friends who also don’t know anything about football and two of them can’t even write coherently.

It is normal for right footed CBs to play LCB but it is not normal for left footed CBs to play RCB.

This is why you will find very very few examples in history of left footed CBs playing as RCB.

Most managers don’t prefer to do it and Arteta is no different.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Such a long, incoherent, poorly written post to say basically nothing, and you want to tag your three friends who also don’t know anything about football and two of them can’t even write coherently.

It is normal for right footed CBs to play LCB but it is not normal for left footed CBs to play RCB.

This is why you will find very very few examples in history of left footed CBs playing as RCB.

Most managers don’t prefer to do it and Arteta is no different.

So Arteta signed a CB not good enough whilst trying to win a title, then stubbornly chose to keep playing holding until damage was done. Gross negligence of highest order.

Only clueless person here is you with your pathetic excuses.

You are the Shan masood of posting, everything written in perfect English but zero substance.

I said to back in January last year Arsenal's signings were ones of a team with ambitions to win a title. Yet your tweaked in your underwear over hyping it.

Now the excuse is Arsenal needed players to fill gaps.

How is that ambition when ur trying to win a title yet you buy mediocre players who have done nothing to help.

You really are more and more clueless as time goes on.

 

[Mamoon]

I said ugly matches at pressure end of the season. Learn to read.

Losing 3 games in a row to palace, brighton, Southampton. Losing to spurs and Newcastle

Bottling games vs Liverpool, West ham, Southampton and City

That's the last 2 seasons at pressure end. Keep thr excuses coming

I can read and write better you can in a million years.

I have already explained what happened last season. Numerous times.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I can read and write better you can in a million years.

I have already explained what happened last season. Numerous times.

You didn't explain anything you dissapeared and stayed on cricket forum. Because you were humilated after your silly in the bag comments

 

[Mamoon]

So Arteta signed a CB not good enough whilst trying to win a title, then stubbornly chose to keep playing holding until damage was done. Gross negligence of highest order.

Only clueless person here is you with your pathetic excuses.

Your the Shan masood of posting, everything written in perfect English but zero substance.

I said to back in January last year Arsenal's signings were ones of a team with ambitions to win a title. Yet your tweaked in your underwear over hyping it.

Now the excuse is Arsenal needed players to fill gaps.

How is that ambition when ur trying to win a title yet you buy mediocre players who have done nothing to help.

You really are more and more clueless as time goes on.

Squad depth was a problem last season and it was addressed this season. This is why Rice was signed without parting ways with Partey. Havertz was signed without selling Vieira, Smith-Rowe and Nelson.

Nketiah was also retained. The major issue right now is that two of the three first-choice attackers are not good enough.

Jesus is a very good forward but he is not a clinical finish and never will be. Martinelli is technically very limited and not intelligent enough to be a top player.

Saka should be the only member of the front three that should still be a starter next season.

 

[Mamoon]

You didn't explain anything you dissapeared and stayed on cricket forum. Because you were humilated after your silly in the bag comments

Sure if that makes you feel good

 

[Amjid Javed]

Squad depth was a problem last season and it was addressed this season. This is why Rice was signed without parting ways with Partey. Havertz was signed without selling Vieira, Smith-Rowe and Nelson.

Nketiah was also retained. The major issue right now is that two of the three first-choice attackers are not good enough.

Jesus is a very good forward but he is not a clinical finish and never will be. Martinelli is technically very limited and not intelligent enough to be a top player.

Saka should be the only member of the front three that should still be a starter next season.

so Nelson, nketitah, Vieira, kiwor etc.. are providing squad depth are they? The fact that when team is being rotate it's dropping points says otherwise.

Arsenal bottled it last season by dropping points in clusters of games. Same thing happening again.

Rice has improved the 1st 11, that's not fixed the issue of depth as other signings have not been good enough

 

[Amjid Javed]

Sure if that makes you feel good

it's the truth., you talk Bout guts

 

[aboveandbeyond]

So any manager who finished second in consecutive seasons should be sacked? This is exactly the type of circus that has hampered Chelsea and United. You need to exercise patience and have a long-term plan.

Arsenal needed a new direction after Wenger took the club as far as he could and was beginning to ruin his legacy. The board made a mistake by appointing Emery who was the wrong man for the job but quickly corrected their mistake by appointing Arteta who is the right man for the job.

Arteta took Arsenal from fighting to stay in the top half to fighting for the title. He is literally the reason why Arsenal fans have started dreaming of winning the PL and would consider not winning the PL a failure. This is the same club that was celebrated finishing fourth for over a decade.

Arteta's impact has been staggering and it is far too early to pass the verdict that he cannot take Arsenal to the next level when he has already taken Arsenal to several different levels. Sacking him would be absolute madness and it is a thought that is not even remotely entertained by the club.

Sooner or later success will be demanded after 700 million he's spent or possibly 800million if they add a quality center forward in January.

Success means winning major trophies, specially after spending vasts.

 

[Technics 1210]

Last year it was in the bag, this year is a bad run, next year will extend to a 10 year window. You cannot reason with duplicity.

The fact of the matter is, Arsenal were top of the league on Christmas day, then having lost to West Ham (h), and Fulham (a), now sit 4th on NYD. This is progression folks (according to some fans), and my word if this type of progression costs 700M, one shudders to think what 800M will yield.

Arsenal's so called progression is based on the regression of other teams. This is a cold hard fact.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Last year it was in the bag, this year is a bad run, next year will extend to a 10 year window. You cannot reason with duplicity.

The fact of the matter is, Arsenal were top of the league on Christmas day, then having lost to West Ham (h), and Fulham (a), now sit 4th on NYD. This is progression folks (according to some fans), and my word if this type of progression costs 700M, one shudders to think what 800M will yield.

Arsenal's so called progression is based on the regression of other teams. This is a cold hard fact.

There is no accountability from fans with no standards, they would rather keep falling short and call it "progress" because we use to "finish 8th"

None of these b fans want to call the club out. Our demand proper Ambition. What other top 6 club other than spurs, would be happy with a 4th trophyless season in a row

 

[Amjid Javed]

Sooner or later success will be demanded after 700 million he's spent or possibly 800million if they add a quality center forward in January.

Success means winning major trophies, specially after spending vasts.

100% spot on

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Marquinhos returning

Nuno Tavares isn't the only Arsenal loanee set for a return to the club this month, with Daily Mirror reporter Ryan Taylor claiming Marquinhos' loan will also be cut short.

The winger joined the Gunners in the summer of 2022 and spent the second half of last season on loan at Norwich City.

The 20-year-old made the step up to a top European league this season with Nantes.

However, he's only made seven league appearances for the French side, grabbing an assist, which explains why the Gunners are set to recall him and send him somewhere else.

Source : talkSPORT

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Arsenal target Ajax youth prospect

Arsenal are preparing to launch a move for Ajax youngster Jorrel Hato, according to the Daily Telegraph.

They claim the 17-year-old is exactly the type of profile that Mikel Arteta wants in his defence because he's versatile. He has been capped by the Netherlands at senior level and can play at left-back or centre-back.

The defender has just 18 months left on his contract with the Dutch giants and is considered to be one of Europe's brightest prospects.

Any move for Hato would follow the Gunners' purchase of Jurrien Timber from Ajax, so the two clubs have a good relationship.

Source : talkSPORT

 

[Technics 1210]

There is no accountability from fans with no standards, they would rather keep falling short and call it "progress" because we use to "finish 8th"

None of these b fans want to call the club out. Our demand proper Ambition. What other top 6 club other than spurs, would be happy with a 4th trophyless season in a row

Guess Who?

- Finished 3rd in his first full season.
- Finished 2nd in his second season.
- The longest away win streak in the Premier League history.
- Under him, Man United scored a record breaking 124 goals in one season.
- First ever manager to beat Pep Guardiola three times in one season.
- Played two cup finals in two years

Yup, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, and Man U still ended up sacking him despite him achieving more than what Arteta has in a shorter period of time.

High standards are high standards, along with accountability. Man U would never settle for anything other than being at the top and being the best!

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Guess Who?

- Finished 3rd in his first full season.
- Finished 2nd in his second season.
- The longest away win streak in the Premier League history.
- Under him, Man United scored a record breaking 124 goals in one season.
- First ever manager to beat Pep Guardiola three times in one season.
- Played two cup finals in two years

Yup, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, and Man U still ended up sacking him despite him achieving more than what Arteta has in a shorter period of time.

High standards are high standards, along with accountability. Man U would never settle for anything other than being at the top and being the best!

Tbf he wasn't sacked for those achievements, he was sacked because Man U were 7th and were on a run of 1 win from 7 games, with 5 losses, which included a 5-0 loss at home to Liverpool

If Arteta has Arsenal seventh and on a similar run I think he would be sacked too

Also, not too sure Man U are a great example of high standards, ask their fans and they'd say the Glazers only aim to get top 4, if they get that they are happy, fail and that's when managers get sacked. So if the claims from AJ are true that Arsenal owners have the same target then the standards between the two clubs are not any different

 

[Mamoon]

Sooner or later success will be demanded after 700 million he's spent or possibly 800million if they add a quality center forward in January.

Success means winning major trophies, specially after spending vasts.

Agreed, but you can't go from point A to point B immediately. Arsenal had to spend that money to go from where they were 4 years ago to where they are today. There is absolutely no reason to to question the credentials of a manager who took Arsenal from the depths of mediocrity to title challengers.

8th, 5th, 2nd in successive seasons is clearly the work of a brilliant manager with a clear idea of how to build a team. He has spent a lot of money but he has spent less money than three clubs (City, Chelsea and United) in the same period and he is better off than two of those three clubs today.

City already had a champion team in 2019 and even they had to spend more money than Arteta, and in spite of that, Arsenal have closed the gap over City. Again, this is clearly the work of a brilliant manager.

I have no doubt whatsoever that if Arteta could take Arsenal from where they were to where they are today, he can and will also take Arsenal from this point to the next level, i.e. win the Premier League.

 

[Mamoon]

so Nelson, nketitah, Vieira, kiwor etc.. are providing squad depth are they? The fact that when team is being rotate it's dropping points says otherwise.

Arsenal bottled it last season by dropping points in clusters of games. Same thing happening again.

Rice has improved the 1st 11, that's not fixed the issue of depth as other signings have not been good enough

Nelson, Nketiah, Vieira and Kiwior is good depth. The problem is that two of the three key players (Martinelli and Jesus) are not up to the mark.

You will struggle to find a better backup number 9 than Nketiah in today's market, but his value is decreased because the player is backing up, Jesus, has zero potency in front of goal.

The turning point for Arsenal's last season was Saliba's injury. Sure, Holding was a major step down but you will always struggle when you lose a player like Saliba. You can't have a defender of his ability as backup.

Pep and Man City are always praised for their squad depth but City have clearly suffered this season without De Bruyne, because no matter how much depth you have, you cannot replace a player like him without a drop in quality.

 

[Mamoon]

Last year it was in the bag, this year is a bad run, next year will extend to a 10 year window. You cannot reason with duplicity.

The fact of the matter is, Arsenal were top of the league on Christmas day, then having lost to West Ham (h), and Fulham (a), now sit 4th on NYD. This is progression folks (according to some fans), and my word if this type of progression costs 700M, one shudders to think what 800M will yield.

Arsenal's so called progression is based on the regression of other teams. This is a cold hard fact.

Let me give you a cold, hard fact.

The teams that have regressed (Chelsea, United) have regressed because they haven't had a manager of Arteta's quality in this period (except Tuchel at Chelsea). These teams have spent more money than Arteta in this period but Arsenal are better off today because Arteta, unlike Ole, Rangnick, Ten Hag, Potter, Pochettino etc. has been able to build a squad and invest effectively. He has made less errors in the market than these managers which is why Arsenal are where they are today and they are not.

If they had a manager like Arteta, they would be where Arsenal are today. In fact, they would be even better because they have more resources than Arsenal and they were better than Arsenal when Arteta took over.

Chelsea though shot themselves in the foot. They had a top quality manager in Tuchel but as usual, they had no patience and couldn't back him in a tough period. Had they did, Chelsea would be title contenders today and the circus show that we have seen under Potter and are seeing under Pochettino today would have been averted.

Here is another cold, hard fact. Arteta is the ONLY Arsenal manager since 2005 who has been able to mount a title challenge in consecutive seasons.

Wenger, post 2005, failed with flying colors to build a squad that could compete for the title. He only did it twice in 13 years. 2007-08 and 2015-16, and he bottled it both times. Emery had a crack in 2018-19 and he was also out of his depth.

Here is another cold, hard fact. Arteta is the reason why Arsenal are title contenders today and he is the reason why Arsenal fans would be disappointed if Arsenal don't win the league. He has revised the standards and raised expectations of a club that had compromised standards for over a decade and celebrated finishing 4th like a trophy.

 

[Mamoon]

Guess Who?

- Finished 3rd in his first full season.
- Finished 2nd in his second season.
- The longest away win streak in the Premier League history.
- Under him, Man United scored a record breaking 124 goals in one season.
- First ever manager to beat Pep Guardiola three times in one season.
- Played two cup finals in two years

Yup, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, and Man U still ended up sacking him despite him achieving more than what Arteta has in a shorter period of time.

High standards are high standards, along with accountability. Man U would never settle for anything other than being at the top and being the best!

Finishing 2nd without challenging for the title means absolutely nothing.

City won the title by 12 points and United were never in contention for the title. Finishing 2nd in those circumstances couldn't be more different to Arsenal finishing 2nd last season.

He then got sacked because United were reeling at 7th next season and were completely out of the title race within the first two months. It clearly reflected that there was no progression, there was no squad building and the club was heading in the wrong direction. The trajectory was not in United's favor.

Ole achieving more than Arteta? that must be a joke.

Fact: Arteta turned Arsenal into title contenders, Ole didn't.
Fact: Arteta won a trophy in his first season, Ole left United with 0 trophies.

Ole was appointed interim manager on December 19, 2018. He was sacked on November 22, 2021.

He was United manager for 2 years, 11 months and 4 days.

Arteta was appointed Arsenal manager on December 20, 2019.

Fast forward to 2 years, 11 months and 4 days and it is November 22, 2022. Arsenal are top of the league and have established themselves as title contenders.

So in summary, in 2 years and 11 months, Ole left United reeling at 7th with 0 trophies and having failed to build a squad that could fight for the title.

In the same period, Arteta converted Arsenal into title contenders and won a trophy.

Ole achieved more than Arteta my backside.

 

[topspin]

Such a long, incoherent, poorly written post to say basically nothing, and you want to tag your three friends who also don’t know anything about football and two of them can’t even write coherently.

Rich coming from someone who claims that Havertz "is already living up to his price tag" and from someone who tolerates 6 years without a PL or UCL after spending close to a billion. Let us not forget, your standards can be reflected by all the efforts you've made to hype up Zinchenko and Havertz.

But this won't be the first time we've seen such outlandish stuff blow back in your face. Even after having schooled you on Imam and Babar's captaincy credentials, you never learn your lesson.

 

[Technics 1210]

Tbf he wasn't sacked for those achievements, he was sacked because Man U were 7th and were on a run of 1 win from 7 games, with 5 losses, which included a 5-0 loss at home to Liverpool

If Arteta has Arsenal seventh and on a similar run I think he would be sacked too

Also, not too sure Man U are a great example of high standards, ask their fans and they'd say the Glazers only aim to get top 4, if they get that they are happy, fail and that's when managers get sacked. So if the claims from AJ are true that Arsenal owners have the same target then the standards between the two clubs are not any different

I never suggested he was sacked because of those achievements, the point is he was sacked despite those achievements, which dwarf Ten Hag’s tenure.

Ultimately OG was progressing (moving up in the PL), much like Arteta fan bois claim, but the difference is progression was not enough for Man U, as you say, a string of defeats under OG was unacceptable.

 

[Technics 1210]

Let me give you a cold, hard fact.

No, here’s another cold hard fact for you. West Ham under Moyes are also progressing. Arteta’s progression isn’t some miracle, a number of teams are benefiting from the regression of Man U and Chelsea.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I never suggested he was sacked because of those achievements, the point is he was sacked despite those achievements, which dwarf Ten Hag’s tenure.

Ultimately OG was progressing (moving up in the PL), much like Arteta fan bois claim, but the difference is progression was not enough for Man U, as you say, a string of defeats under OG was unacceptable.

That's my point though, if Arteta has Arsenal in a similar position to Ole, which is 7th, way behind others and on a terrible run he'd lose the majority of the fanbase and probably even get sacked

The situation Emery was in leading to his sacking is similar to Ole so think the Arsenal owners would be just as ruthless

However Arsenal aren't in such a position so can understand why he retains the support of the supporters as well as the owners

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nelson, Nketiah, Vieira and Kiwior is good depth. The problem is that two of the three key players (Martinelli and Jesus) are not up to the mark.

You will struggle to find a better backup number 9 than Nketiah in today's market, but his value is decreased because the player is backing up, Jesus, has zero potency in front of goal.

The turning point for Arsenal's last season was Saliba's injury. Sure, Holding was a major step down but you will always struggle when you lose a player like Saliba. You can't have a defender of his ability as backup.

Pep and Man City are always praised for their squad depth but City have clearly suffered this season without De Bruyne, because no matter how much depth you have, you cannot replace a player like him without a drop in quality.

Sorry but none of the players mentioned are good enough, apart from the odd game none of these have shown any decent impact when asked to step in and do a job

Also this nonsense nketitah is the best back up number 9 is a load of rubbish.

Liverpool have Diaz, nunez, gapko and jota and depending on which 2 you play with salah, the other 2 are miles better the nketitah.

If nketitah was at Liverpool he wouldn't even get into the squad.

Alvarez at City is a better back up as well.

Nketitah is richarlison level mediocre. The fact nketitah has gone a full year without a PL away goal shows what a mediocre player he is.

Yes you can improve on Jesus and Martinelli in the squad, but same problem arises when squads rotated, no like for like depth in key areas

That's why you see Arteta flogging key players like dead horses, because the other players he's signed in squad he doesn't trust. That's on manager for constructing a poor squad

Look at Arsensl in their prime we had Henry. Bergkamp, kanu, wiltord

Midfield parlour, ljungberg, pires, edu, Gilbert, Vieira

There were no weak links no matter who played. To win titles you need a core of 16-17 players you can depend on.

Arsensl right now don't have that

 

[Technics 1210]

Finishing 2nd without challenging for the title means absolutely nothing.

City won the title by 12 points and United were never in contention for the title. Finishing 2nd in those circumstances couldn't be more different to Arsenal finishing 2nd last season.

He then got sacked because United were reeling at 7th next season and were completely out of the title race within the first two months. It clearly reflected that there was no progression, there was no squad building and the club was heading in the wrong direction. The trajectory was not in United's favor.

Ole achieving more than Arteta? that must be a joke.

Fact: Arteta turned Arsenal into title contenders, Ole didn't.
Fact: Arteta won a trophy in his first season, Ole left United with 0 trophies.

Ole was appointed interim manager on December 19, 2018. He was sacked on November 22, 2021.

He was United manager for 2 years, 11 months and 4 days.

Arteta was appointed Arsenal manager on December 20, 2019.

Fast forward to 2 years, 11 months and 4 days and it is November 22, 2022. Arsenal are top of the league and have established themselves as title contenders.

So in summary, in 2 years and 11 months, Ole left United reeling at 7th with 0 trophies and having failed to build a squad that could fight for the title.

In the same period, Arteta converted Arsenal into title contenders and won a trophy.

Ole achieved more than Arteta my backside.

Arteta fluked a trophy and it wasn’t even his team. We know it was a fluke because after spending 700M Arteta has squat to show for it, bottled the league last season, and dropped 6 points between xmas and NYD this season vs West Ham and Fulham. So much so you went from it was in the bag, to Arsenal will win the league this season, to Arsenal will win the league within 2 years, to Arsenal must give Arteta 10 years.

As I said, one cannot reason with duplicity.

 

[Amjid Javed]

No, here’s another cold hard fact for you. West Ham under Moyes are also progressing. Arteta’s progression isn’t some miracle, a number of teams are benefiting from the regression of Man U and Chelsea.

Another fun fact moyes took over a West ham a week after Arteta was given Arsenal job.

Both have won 1 trophy each in 4 years.

 

[Technics 1210]

That's my point though, if Arteta has Arsenal in a similar position to Ole, which is 7th, way behind others and on a terrible run he'd lose the majority of the fanbase and probably even get sacked

The situation Emery was in leading to his sacking is similar to Ole so think the Arsenal owners would be just as ruthless

However Arsenal aren't in such a position so can understand why he retains the support of the supporters as well as the owners

Arteta retains the support of B-Fans because Arsenal have been bang on average for many years, so even a blip in Arsenal’s performance is considered the next coming of Pep! I still maintain Arsenal are ‘progressing’ because of other teams regressing - nothing to do with the next Pep incarnation, Arteta, West Ham and Fulham games exposed Arteta. This is precisely why Arteta fans were doing bhangra after beating relegation contenders, Luton.

 

[Amjid Javed]

That's my point though, if Arteta has Arsenal in a similar position to Ole, which is 7th, way behind others and on a terrible run he'd lose the majority of the fanbase and probably even get sacked

The situation Emery was in leading to his sacking is similar to Ole so think the Arsenal owners would be just as ruthless

However Arsenal aren't in such a position so can understand why he retains the support of the supporters as well as the owners

Arsenal went through a run of 1 win in ten games losing 7 of those including losing to wolves, Leicester and Burnley at home. So let's not go there with this other managers got sacked because of bad runs. Arteta should have got boot as well, only reason he didn't was due to no fans in ground during covid etc.. add to that the club had no ambition or accountability.

You can say Arteta got past that pathetic run, but in reality so could have other managers.

However In all 3 case ole, Emery, arteta they should have been sacked

 

[Saj]

By the way, Rice seems to be quick to point the finger at his team-mates, but he's hardly been great in recent matches.

 

[Amjid Javed]

By the way, Rice seems to be quick to point the finger at his team-mates, but he's hardly been great in recent matches.

I didn't mind the rice and Gabriel arguing, shows that players do care about what's going on the pitch. Arsenal have to many timid players like oddegard and Zinchenko. Sometimes cages need rattling.

What was nog good was what came after the argument where no one marking on the corner

 

[ads101]

Arteta wasn’t that impressive in his first few years. Last season he was. His team played some of the best football and would have won the league comfortably if they didn’t choke. And they didn’t do it with established stars it was mostly a young team. They choked mainly down to the players, who got nervous. The league was lost due to wins at the end with weaker teams which arsenal should beaten convincingly without any trouble, it wasn’t tactics that caused those losses mainly.

Arteta has changed things this year, and with Xhaka gone and Partey mostly injured he can’t play the same style exactly. Which especially hurts Oodegard. Which is what has hurt Arsenal the most. All they had to do was go again this year like last year with the same team. This year as a result, it’s more defensive, less fluid football. Defensively actually Arsenal feel better this season which is a positive. Xhaka never should have left and it’s a real shame he did.

Arteta has come closest to beating Pep apart from Klopp, with spending overall less money than Klopp with less world class players. That is still something, more than most teams. Klopp is in my opinion the second best manager in the world after Pep, and arguably the best in terms of cost effective given how little he’s spent comparatively. If Arsenal could hire Klopp then yes get Arteta out, or better still Pep. But they cant so I don’t see any point changing him at this point.

I think some fans have too high standards. It has been a long time Arsenal has looked anywhere near the standard they did last season and actually challenged for the league. This team is also young and can improve. There’s no point of changing things up right now, see at least 1 more year out and then re-evaluate.