Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta this... Arteta that...

Arsenal are playing with more control...

Arsenal are tough to score against...

Arsenal are better defensively...

Arsensl have gears to go through...

I will judge Arsenal at end of season...

@Mamoon you've got 5 months till end of May to type up your Apology post when Arteta fails again.

 

[IMMY69]

This "god" complex where someone is always right is just tiresome.

It's extreme too. One says were the best, have the best manager and will win the league, and then we those that continue to criticise no matter what. Both have to be right...

Live in peace and take the middle ground for a change.

 

[MK7Z]

Rice has had a couple of below par games.
Arteta used to do this with Partey. Basically leaving him doing 2 roles by himself.

We all know how that turned out. He broke Partey

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

This "god" complex where someone is always right is just tiresome.

It's extreme too. One says were the best, have the best manager and will win the league, and then we those that continue to criticise no matter what. Both have to be right...

Live in peace and take the middle ground for a change.

As a neutral observer I fully agree

Every result ends up with someone gloating, I almost get the sense some people take pleasure in things going awry just so they can be "right"

 

[SpiritOf1903]

ADHD boys wilting again. Club's rotten

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Rice has had a couple of below par games.
Arteta used to do this with Partey. Basically leaving him doing 2 roles by himself.

We all know how that turned out. He broke Partey

Justice might be a bigger reason...

 

[MK7Z]

This "god" complex where someone is always right is just tiresome.

It's extreme too. One says were the best, have the best manager and will win the league, and then we those that continue to criticise no matter what. Both have to be right...

Live in peace and take the middle ground for a change.

Bro i couldn't agree more. It's so weird

The 1st thing they think about after a game is one another.

I'm new to this thread...is there a " I was right" trophy or award at the end of the season?

 

[MK7Z]

I said I think it was October that I'd be happy if we were in the race come January and then get that banger up front.

While all is not lost the last couple of games have been a massive wake up call.

Lads need to regroup and go again. Still make city Faves. Liverpool are doing well to be up there to be fair but these last 2 games are a hammer blow and a blue print on how to beat Arsenal.

Arteta needs to do something and fast

 

[Amjid Javed]

This "god" complex where someone is always right is just tiresome.

It's extreme too. One says were the best, have the best manager and will win the league, and then we those that continue to criticise no matter what. Both have to be right...

Live in peace and take the middle ground for a change.

Criticise no matter what? I criticise went is warranted, I will praise when it's warranted.

Every season we hear your "judging team" at end season, then you make excuses and go through same cycle.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Once again when the pressure is beginning to mount Arsenal are crumbling.

Sakah and Martinelli are both looking very predictable. A center forward and Jesus moving in to one of the wide positions is paramount for Arsenal

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal have nowhere to hide now in next game which is Liverpool in FA Cup.

An early FA cup exit if it happens should not be tolerated

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arsenal have nowhere to hide now in next game which is Liverpool in FA Cup.

An early FA cup exit if it happens should not be tolerated

When you say not tolerated you mean Arteta should be sacked?

 

[Amjid Javed]

When you say not tolerated you mean Arteta should be sacked?

100%

Since he won the FA Cup, Arsenal haven't even looked like winning a cup competition. Performances in FA Cup and league Cup have been pathetic.

European Performances have been embrassing.

This will be Arsenal 4th trophyless season in a row, its not acceptable unless your a fan with zero standards which 80% of Arsenal fans here have.

I said Arteta was doing a Claudio raneri (Chelsea 03) by over tinkering with things.

He's taken a fluid looking team and reduced the attacking output which makes no sense, espcially when are forwards aren't clinical enough.

All season Arsenal have been poor away from home. Apart from bournemouth (away) the Performances have been unconvincing, with the tougher away games to come it ain't going to get ant better.

The kronkes will be happy with CL football again, cheerleaders like mamoon, immy69, MenInG, firebat and others who are happy "with progress" because they don't want to face up reality

I want Arsenal to win the league but its not happening under this manager. The fact he's given Pep (whose just gone his worst stint as man city manager), Klopp and Emery a sniff at the top in last week is something Arsenal ain't recovering from.

Weak mentality is still there, that's on manager and owners

Arteta was tactically niave again

 

[aboveandbeyond]

100%

Since he won the FA Cup, Arsenal haven't even looked like winning a cup competition. Performances in FA Cup and league Cup have been pathetic.

European Performances have been embrassing.

This will be Arsenal 4th trophyless season in a row, its not acceptable unless your a fan with zero standards which 80% of Arsenal fans in this thread have.

I said Arteta was doing a Claudio raneri (Chelsea 03) by over tinkering with things.

He's taken a fluid looking team and reduced the attacking output which makes no sense, espcially when are forwards aren't clinical enough.

All season Arsenal have been poor away from home. Apart from bournemouth (away) the Performances have been unconvincing, with the tougher away games to come it ain't going to get ant better.

The kronkes will be happy with CL football again, cheerleaders like mamoon, immy69, MenInG, firebat and others who are happy "with progress" because they don't want to face up reality

I want Arsenal to win the league but its not happening under this manager. The fact he's given Pep (whose just gone his worst stint as man city manager), Klopp and Emery a sniff at the top in last week is something Arsenal ain't recovering from.

Weak mentality is still there, that's on manager and owners

Arteta was tactically niave again

If Arteta goes, who comes in ?

 

[Amjid Javed]

What summed up Artetas tactical incompetence and game management was asking kiwor to play inverted LB role when he's not good enough to do so. Where was he on the 1st goal? Kiwor a signing Arteta made in last January's transfer window. Then takes him off at HT . Yet players who have been bad for weeks stay on all game.

Like I've said all along, you can be a good coach, but managing squad / rotation across a season is what distinguishes you as a top quality manager.

 

[MK7Z]

If Arteta goes, who comes in ?

Good question.

Whoever it is has 2 years to win the league with the standards set on here

Can tell you now ain't gonna happen with Pep and Klopp around.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good question.

Whoever it is has 2 years to win the league with the standards set on this thread.

Can tell you now ain't gonna happen with Pep and Klopp around.

So your happy with a bottling manager and season after season being trophyless?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

So your happy with a bottling manager and season after season being trophyless?

Can't see any other team winning whilst Pep and Klopp are at the helm at their respective clubs

 

[Amjid Javed]

Can't see any other team winning whilst Pep and Klopp are at the helm at their respective clubs

Even Emery is showing hes a better manager than Arteta right now

 

[MK7Z]

So your happy with a bottling manager and season after season being trophyless?

Hell no. But I'm also realistic that whoever comes in won't be able to compete with Pep and Klopp in 2 years.

Questions will need to be asked if this season ends with stagnation.

Please convince me otherwise. Give me a name who you think can come in and win the league in 2 years.

I'm more than happy to try them, I have no loyalty or affiliation with Arteta. I want him to do well because he is our manager.

I mean folks on this thread have mentioned Tomas Frank but I'm pretty sure they are trolling.

So yeah please for the sake of discussion give me a name of a manager who you think can win the league with Arsenal in 2 seasons.

 

[MK7Z]

Even Emery is showing hes a better manager than Arteta right now

Right now maybe.. But let's see how long he maintains it for after having a fabulous year.

He will go Full Unai soon. If you know you know

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Even Emery is showing hes a better manager than Arteta right now

He is though. Emery is experienced and has had continued success in spain and France. So yes, his expertise as a manager is greater than Arteta at the moment.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Right now maybe.. But let's see how long he maintains it for after having a fabulous year.

He will go Full Unai soon. If you know you know

Since Emery joined Villa, only Man city have taken more points in that time.

It's not flash in the pan, yes Emery will have a ceiling which he will reach. What's he in phase 1? While Arteta is supposedly in phase 4 of 5

 

[Amjid Javed]

Fulham hadn't scored in last 3 games, lost to Burnley last game. They toyed with Arsenal today. Willian an Arsenal reject man of match, ex keeper Leno apart from goal, had nothing to do.

Disgraceful performance. Waiting for Mamoon to tell us all how Arsenal are tough to score against

 

[MK7Z]

Since Emery joined Villa, only Man city have taken more points in that time.

It's not flash in the pan, yes Emery will have a ceiling which he will reach. What's he in phase 1? While Arteta is supposedly in phase 4 of 5

You didn't answer my who in 2 years question my brother

 

[IMMY69]

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal's biggest regression this season (performance in London derbies)

Last season - played 12, won 10, drawn 2 - for 29 Against 8

This season - played 7, won 2, drawn 3, lost 2 - For 9 against 10

So Arsenal have conceded more goals in 7 games this season, then they did in 12 Derby games last season

 

[Amjid Javed]

You didn't answer my who in 2 years question my brother

So I can pick any manager? We know the club lacks ambition to go out and get one.

 

[MK7Z]

So I can pick any manager? We know the club lacks ambition to go out and get one.

Yes why not. Obviously realistic attainable people out there who you think will meet the standard you set of winning the league in 2 years.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yes why not. Obviously realistic attainable people out there who you think will meet the standard you set of winning the league in 2 years.

I'd take Diego Simone. He needs a fresh challenge outside of last La liga, he's won the league there going up against Real and Barca before as well.

I also believe he would be someone who would challenge the owners on ambition.

Arteta is just a yes man for the owners. These owners only care about CL football and money they will get from it.

 

[MK7Z]

Good shout.
But you are right the owners aren't brave enough for him.

He did indeed win his 1st league title in 2 years but 1 since in the following decade and it wasn't for another 6-7 years. I don't think you'd accept that right?

Throw in a couple of Europas to be fair.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good shout.
But you are right the owners aren't brave enough for him.

He did indeed win his 1st league title in 2 years but 1 since in the following decade and it wasn't for another 6-7 years. I don't think you'd accept that right?

Throw in a couple of Europas to be fair.

He shouldn't still be Athleti manager, that's why I said he needs a fresh challenge.

The biggest worry in last 2 games had been no plan B, this is what I've said all along Arteta isn't good enough to change things up and his squad management is poor. It's just a repeat of what I've seen Raneri do at Chelsea in 03.

Arsensl need a manager who will get them over the line, not someone who keeps falling short.

Reality is now that they could be a scenario where at start of Feb when we host Liverpool we could be 5 points behind, which means it's a must win game.

We could literally have Liverpool putting final nails in a title challenge in Feb, if Arsensl don't buck their ideas up.

 

[MK7Z]

Ye it's give it Saka and say inshallah

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ye it's give it Saka and say inshallah

He's been awful last 2 games. The dive vs west ham, then his nasty challenge on palinhina in Fulham game probably summing up the frustration

 

[topspin]

I'd take Diego Simone. He needs a fresh challenge outside of last La liga, he's won the league there going up against Real and Barca before as well.

I also believe he would be someone who would challenge the owners on ambition.

Arteta is just a yes man for the owners. These owners only care about CL football and money they will get from it.

I also agree, Simeone is a good shout.

This is a long shot but what about Pep when his contract runs out in 2025?

He could be Head Coach and Arteta can continue working for Arsenal as his assistant.

 

[topspin]

Good shout.
But you are right the owners aren't brave enough for him.

He did indeed win his 1st league title in 2 years but 1 since in the following decade and it wasn't for another 6-7 years. I don't think you'd accept that right?

Throw in a couple of Europas to be fair.

Simeone has been up against Real and Barca, with peak Ronaldo and Messi on a shoestring budget

For him to win 2 x La Liga titles during his Atletico managerial career is remarkable.

There’s a reason why he’s Atletico Madrid’s judge, jury and executioner because once he’s gone, AM won’t be the same.

 

[topspin]

Make of this what you will, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a divided dressing room.

What surprised me about today’s game was the lack of drive from the players.

 

[topspin]

This "god" complex where someone is always right is just tiresome.

It's extreme too. One says were the best, have the best manager and will win the league, and then we those that continue to criticise no matter what. Both have to be right...

Live in peace and take the middle ground for a change.

I’m not sure if you were referring to me but if you was, it’s worth noting that I’ve backed Arteta ever since he won the FA Cup.

If he can’t deliver a PL/UCL, this season he has to go. You can’t spend £700m+ and expect a to have a free ride when you have no major trophies to show for it after 4 years.

I agree with you about the severe pro-Arteta bias by an individual but rather than complaining all the time, why don’t you come up with any counter arguments and ideas of your own?

 

[topspin]

After this season, Arsenal need to change captain.

Odegaard’s leadership skills are non-existent on the field particularly in big away games, when Arsenal have their backs against the wall and at times against more physical sides.

There’s a reason why Arsenal bottled top 4, title race and why Norway missed on Euro play offs.

Rice should be the new captain. If there is a vice-captain to be appointed it should be Saliba or Saka.
These three should be the only players who feature in the leadership group.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I also agree, Simeone is a good shout.

This is a long shot but what about Pep when his contract runs out in 2025?

He could be Head Coach and Arteta can continue working for Arsenal as his assistant.

It's not a long shot, it's an insane shot

There's absolutely no chance Pep goes to Arsenal

When he's finished with City I think he takes a break before taking another job, that job will either be abroad or an International stint

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

As for Simeone, he's done amazingly well at Atletico but the football he has them playing is brutal, it is not an easy watch

Which for Atletico as the underdog facing the juggernauts of Real/Barca was more than acceptable

Will Arsenal fans tolerate that style of football? I'm not so sure, plus I'm not even convinced that style of playing can be successful in this league, especially with Pep/Klopp around

 

[Firebat]

Just can't believe how bad Saka and Martinelli are compared to last year. Looks like Arteta is running out of ideas at the moment.

No PL games for 20 days, this is a pivotal moment of the season to regroup.

 

[topspin]

It's not a long shot, it's an insane shot

There's absolutely no chance Pep goes to Arsenal

When he's finished with City I think he takes a break before taking another job, that job will either be abroad or an International stint

Insane shot would be Pep joining Arsenal as Arteta's Assistant Coach.

 

[Rana]

It's not a long shot, it's an insane shot

There's absolutely no chance Pep goes to Arsenal

When he's finished with City I think he takes a break before taking another job, that job will either be abroad or an International stint

Pep would ask for a blank cheque book, and will probably get Arsenal in trouble with FFP

he can’t work on the kind of budget we offer

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Pep would ask for a blank cheque book, and will probably get Arsenal in trouble with FFP

he can’t work on the kind of budget we offer

I think with a few tweaks he makes your current squad champions

This squad isn't a million miles away, the question to then ask is Pep a better coach than Arteta? The answer is a resounding yes

This is all a moot point anyway since Pep won't join another English club

 

[Firebat]

Mikel Arteta calls Arsenal's defeat at Fulham their worst performance of the season

Mikel Arteta labelled Arsenal's 2-1 defeat at Fulham as their "worst performance of the season" while Sky Sports pundit Jamie Redknapp said the result must act as a wake-up call for the title hopefuls.

The Gunners looked primed to end 2023 on top of the Premier League table when Bukayo Saka scored from close range just five minutes into the contest at Craven Cottage.

But Arsenal failed to capitalise on that start and goals from Raul Jimenez and Bobby De Cordova-Reid sealed a comeback win for Fulham.

It means it is back-to-back defeats for Arteta's men after the loss at home to West Ham.

They've won just one of their last five in the Premier League and this result leaves Arsenal in fourth place, two points behind leaders Liverpool, who play their game in hand against Newcastle at Anfield on Monday Night Football, and just a point above Tottenham in fifth.

"We weren't good enough. Simple as that," said Arteta to Sky Sports afterwards.

"We lost the game three days ago [against West Ham] we fully deserved to win because we were so good. And today we were nowhere near the level.

"We conceded two very similar goals, we gave the ball away and then the organisation in our box and set-plays... we didn't generate enough today, our rhythm wasn't good enough in attack, and defensively we were second best in every action.

"You have to play 100 minutes in the league so it's not enough to play a few actions. It's a really sad day because today we didn't deserve to win the game.

"We never got going [after changing to 3-5-2 late on in the second half] because we gave every ball away, and we could not dominate the direct play so we didn't do any of those two and it's very difficult to generate any momentum. Credit to Fulham as well."

Asked about the consecutive losses which have seen Arsenal surrender their advantage at the top of the table, Arteta said: "We had a great performance against Liverpool [in the 1-1 at Anfield]. We had a great performance against West Ham and didn't win. Today was the one you have to isolate, because that was the worst performance of the season."

Mikel Arteta calls Arsenal's defeat at Fulham their worst performance of the season

We werent good enough. Simple as that, Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta told Sky Sports before pundit Jamie Redknapp said this needs to be a wake-up call; title challengers have won just one of their last five in the Premier League after 2-1 turnaround defeat at Craven Cottage

www.skysports.com

 

[Technics 1210]

Arsenal are 10 points worse off after 20 games than they were in the last campaign.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Just can't believe how bad Saka and Martinelli are compared to last year. Looks like Arteta is running out of ideas at the moment.

No PL games for 20 days, this is a pivotal moment of the season to regroup.

I said all along their is

- no plan B
- the subs made are always predictable
- asking player to play roles they can't (kiwor LB, Partey RB etc..)
- poor rotation (indifferent results, key players looking tired)

Arteta should have done everyone a favour and left last season when he bottled the league

Let's see how many fans are happy with a top 4 race now

"Trust the process"
"Phase 4 out of 5"

Some people could see the car crash coming a long time ago

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal are 10 points worse off after 20 games than they were in the last campaign.

But but...

Arteta is greatest manager of all time

Arsenal's away form is brilliant

It's harder to score against Arsenal

Arsenal are better defensively

Arsenal are playing with more control

If you can't see what Arteta is doing your not a real fan...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pep would ask for a blank cheque book, and will probably get Arsenal in trouble with FFP

he can’t work on the kind of budget we offer

All Arteta has done since he's been here is spend, where are his last January signings? Trossard, jorghino, kiwor?

Look at how many signings he's made and how quickly he starts to under use or discard players?

His squad management has been woeful.

If klopp or Pep or even Emery had this Arsenal squad, I'd back to win the league

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think with a few tweaks he makes your current squad champions

This squad isn't a million miles away, the question to then ask is Pep a better coach than Arteta? The answer is a resounding yes

This is all a moot point anyway since Pep won't join another English club

So what tweaks?

So yoh think with both city and Liverpool ahead of Arsenal, they are going to over take them?

City, Liverpool and Villa are likely to strengthen in January

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

So what tweaks?

So yoh think with both city and Liverpool ahead of Arsenal, they are going to over take them?

City, Liverpool and Villa are likely to strengthen in January

You've misread my post, I was responding to the comment about Pep needing a blank chequebook at Arsenal

I was saying Pep is that good a coach I think he could make the current Arsenal squad champions

 

[Amjid Javed]

You've misread my post, I was responding to the comment about Pep needing a blank chequebook at Arsenal

I was saying Pep is that good a coach I think he could make the current Arsenal squad champions

Apologies, yeah Pep, klopp or Emery would win title with current Arsenal squad.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't stay too in touch with football recently but from PP and the media, I would have assumed Arsenal were flying. I still watch games but didn't keep up to date with the league table. I have friends who are big Celtic fans and still follow what Ange is doing down south, and the perception that I had was while he was doing well that, he was getting undone a bit as teams cottoned on to his style and suffering from a massive injury crisis that made things worse.

Imagine my surprise when I finally took a look at the table and found Arsenal just a point above Spurs on New Day. I was genuinely taken aback.

 

[Amjid Javed]

100k a week and zero away goals in a year for nketitah, another Arteta master class in decision making

 

[Amjid Javed]

As for Simeone, he's done amazingly well at Atletico but the football he has them playing is brutal, it is not an easy watch

Which for Atletico as the underdog facing the juggernauts of Real/Barca was more than acceptable

Will Arsenal fans tolerate that style of football? I'm not so sure, plus I'm not even convinced that style of playing can be successful in this league, especially with Pep/Klopp around

Arsenal style of football right now is boring, predictable and their is no plan B. So the so called theory other managers would not be tolerated is a myth.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Woeful performance v Fulham.

In busy periods Dec/Jan the key is fitness/stamina/energy/intensity. It doesnt matter if you are Ronaldo or Maradonna, if you cant run hard, tackle hard and keep going for 90 mins esp in the PL you will allow the opposition to take control.

Arsenal score early, relax and then not able to pick up the energy. You can understand the first half but they became even worse in the 2nd half. The manager couldnt inspire them to bring the energy. If you look at the Fulhum goals, they simply couldnt get back , running like a Sunday league team at times.

18 games to go for Arsenal with 40 points. Max they can get now is 75 points imo , which will not be enough to win the league. City and LFC will surpass the 80 point mark.. However its sport, anything can happen esp in a competitive league this season.

Arteta is lucky to have so much funds over his tenure but has used them poorly imo. Rice is the best signing but he looks worn out already.

 

[hassan918]

Paul Merson says: Arsenal are 'bang in' title race but need a striker like Ivan Toney if they want to go all the way​

Everybody has a bad run. You do. It's 38 games - it's gruelling, it's hard, you are going to get your ups and downs.

But Arsenal's last two results, losing 2-0 at home to West Ham before a 2-1 defeat away at Fulham, were not good.

They are two games that you want to be winning if you want to be winning the Premier League.

It might do them a favour in a way in that they might have to go into the January transfer market now.

If they had beaten West Ham or Fulham and Gabriel Jesus or Eddie Nketiah had got a goal, people might start thinking do they need a centre-forward?

They need a centre-forward. There is no doubt about that in my opinion.

Jesus had two chances at West Ham, they are gimmes really for someone like an Ivan Toney.

For me there is a long way to go. Arsenal are still in it. I still think they have got to get Ivan Toney. I don't think they win the league if they don't get a centre-forward.

If they get a centre-forward, I think they are bang in it defiinitely, like Aston Villa and Tottenham are. We're halfway through the season now and they are right in there now, both teams and Arsenal.

They are up and down are Tottenham and Aston Villa have got a bit more consistency about them.

But why not? You have got to dream. What's the point of being a professional footballer and playing if you are not going to believe.

You could feel Mikel Arteta's anger as he spoke to the media at his post-match press conference, writes Sky Sports News' Oli Yew.

On Thursday, he had seen his side miss a host of chances as they lost 2-0 to West Ham. Sometimes that can happen and is just one of those things, said Arteta, but the defeat to Fulham was much more "worrying" for the Spaniard.

Having only lost two of their opening 18 Premier League games this season (Winning 12 and drawing four), Arsenal have since lost both of their last two, just the second time since the start of last season that they have suffered back-to-back league defeats.

"We had the chance to be top of the table after 20 games. Three days ago, we lost a game that we deserved to win, today was a different story. We weren't good enough. We need to look at ourselves in the mirror."

Source: SKY

 

[hassan918]

Agreed with Paul Merson. Having a great striker would surely help them win more games.

 

[Mamoon]

@topspin

The Fulham game showed us why Arteta doesn’t prefer Iwior over Zinchenko.

Iwior was the reason why Fulham scored the first goal and if it was Zinchenko in his place, he would get crucified as usual.

But Iwior offered absolutely nothing on the ball and was not an outlet for Arsenal in terms of building from the back.

This is where Zinchenko proves his worth to the team and this is basically why Arteta intends to replace him with Timber who offers the same quality on the ball and but is a stronger defender.

Iwior should never play LB again. He should only be used as backup to Gabriel and if he is unwilling to sit on the bench then he should be offloaded.

 

[Mamoon]

People who want Arteta to fail will obviously celebrate the last two defeats because for them, and this includes some Arsenal fans, being proved right is more important than seeing Arsenal win.

But I don’t think it is an alarming situation to begin with. It is better have a dip in form at this stage than March/April which is what happened last year.

Liverpool have been riding their luck this season. They have been far from impressive and there is a good chance that they might struggle for goals after Salah goes to AFCON.

Last time when he came back from AFCON, he was nothing like the player he was before in the season. AFCON is a brutal tournament.

Everyone excepts City to go on yet another run in the last 15 games and win it but they can’t keep doing it every year and their chances of making it four in a row are not very high.

Aston Villa is not in a title race so Arsenal still have a really good chance of going the distance. This isn’t one of those seasons where the champion will finish with 90+ points.

 

[Mamoon]

Calling for Arteta’s head is rubbish though. He is the reason why Arsenal fans are dreaming of winning the title this season.

He needs to be given at least two more summer windows to complete the rebuild. The next phase should see average players like Martinelli and an average goal scorer like Jesus replaced with superior versions.

Arsenal need to replace Martinelli with a winger who is not technically limited and is not a head down merchant, someone who has awareness and intelligence. Martinelli doesn’t have those qualities and never will.

Arsenal fans are going through the same cycle as they did with Walcott and Chamberlain. It never happened for them and it will never happen for Martinelli.

Similarly, Jesus will never be a lethal finisher and he himself admitted that scoring goals is not his strong point, but a ruthless goal scorer is exactly what this team needs right now to go to the next level.

 

[Mamoon]

I also agree, Simeone is a good shout.

This is a long shot but what about Pep when his contract runs out in 2025?

He could be Head Coach and Arteta can continue working for Arsenal as his assistant.

Not sure what is funnier or more outlandish. Pep coaching Arsenal after his City stint is over or Arteta going back to being an assistant manager.

There is a better chance of you replacing Rishi Sunak as PM.

I didn’t know you started drinking.

 

[Mamoon]

I'd take Diego Simone. He needs a fresh challenge outside of last La liga, he's won the league there going up against Real and Barca before as well.

I also believe he would be someone who would challenge the owners on ambition.

Arteta is just a yes man for the owners. These owners only care about CL football and money they will get from it.

You are wrong as usual.

The ambition for the club is to win the league. This ambition is also shared by Arteta who will not stop until he wins Arsenal the league and it is question of when not if.

There is no doubt that Arsenal will win multiple league titles under Arteta.

The owners are on the same page. This is why they sanctioned a £105 million signing. You don’t spend that money on one player if the objective is a top four finish.

You only show such ambition when you are going straight for the title.

 

[Mamoon]

Arsenal lose they ain't winning the title.

The FA Cup game is make or break vs liverpool.

Arsenal are not winning the PL or the CL.

FA Cup isn’t the priority. It is a needless distraction.

The goal is to finish top two in the league (hopefully win it of course) and QF/SF of the UCL.

That would be a better season than finishing third/fourth + winning an FA Cup.

 

[Mamoon]

Arsenal won't win the title. If they can't win the UCL this season then Arteta needs to be given the sack. He's had 4 years with over £700m spent. It's not good enough.

He spent £700m but that is less money spent than City, Chelsea and United.

When Arteta took over in 2019, City already had a champion team and they still spent more money than Arteta in this period.

Similarly, United and Chelsea were better than Arsenal at the time, they spent more money than Arteta and both are far inferior than Arsenal right now.

Spending £700m is nothing when you have to do a complete rebuild on and off the pitch. Arteta took a team that was struggling to stay in the top half and had an awful culture.

I would give Arteta two full seasons after this one and if he doesn’t win a league title only then will I consider the possibility of discussing his future with the club.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta this... Arteta that...

Arsenal are playing with more control...

Arsenal are tough to score against...

Arsenal are better defensively...

Arsensl have gears to go through...

I will judge Arsenal at end of season...

@Mamoon you've got 5 months till end of May to type up your Apology post when Arteta fails again.

Apologize for what?

What failure?

Arteta is the reason fans like you are dreaming of winning the title. Have you forgotten the state of the club before he took over and what they were fighting for?

Have you forgotten how the standards and expectations were compromised in the second half of Wenger’s era?

 

[Amjid Javed]

FA Cup isn’t the priority. It is a needless distraction.

The goal is to finish top two in the league (hopefully win it of course) and QF/SF of the UCL.

That would be a better season than finishing third/fourth + winning an FA Cup.

Winning trophies isn't important?

Wow 1/4 or 1/2 semi finals of CL, do you get a trophy for that

 

[Amjid Javed]

@topspin

The Fulham game showed us why Arteta doesn’t prefer Iwior over Zinchenko.

Iwior was the reason why Fulham scored the first goal and if it was Zinchenko in his place, he would get crucified as usual.

But Iwior offered absolutely nothing on the ball and was not an outlet for Arsenal in terms of building from the back.

This is where Zinchenko proves his worth to the team and this is basically why Arteta intends to replace him with Timber who offers the same quality on the ball and but is a stronger defender.

Iwior should never play LB again. He should only be used as backup to Gabriel and if he is unwilling to sit on the bench then he should be offloaded.

But kiwor was an Arteta signing, made in January last year when in a title race. The lack of ambition and clueless recruitment was there for all to see. You were calling this guy the polish Maldini.

You were also wetting urself over another mediocre signing in jorghino who is nowhere to be seen. Yet more clueless recruitment.

The fact Arteta can't get the best out of the squad. Rotate effectively or use players effectively showd how mediocre a manager he is.

Get your pen and paper out and start writing your Apology novel

Arteta the fraud, a novel written by mamoon

 

[Amjid Javed]

Apologize for what?

What failure?

Arteta is the reason fans like you are dreaming of winning the title. Have you forgotten the state of the club before he took over and what they were fighting for?

Have you forgotten how the standards and expectations were compromised in the second half of Wenger’s era?

Blah blah, your in defensive mode and rambling nonsense.

4th trophyless season in a row in coming. That's failure.

Just because your low expectations have been met which are in the gutter.

All uve done is copy paste same nonsense as before.

How about criticse Arteta for his pathetic game management and tactics in last 2 games.

Oh you can't do that because you haven't got a pair of balls to do so.

 

[Amjid Javed]

He spent £700m but that is less money spent than City, Chelsea and United.

When Arteta took over in 2019, City already had a champion team and they still spent more money than Arteta in this period.

Similarly, United and Chelsea were better than Arsenal at the time, they spent more money than Arteta and both are far inferior than Arsenal right now.

Spending £700m is nothing when you have to do a complete rebuild on and off the pitch. Arteta took a team that was struggling to stay in the top half and had an awful culture.

I would give Arteta two full seasons after this one and if he doesn’t win a league title only then will I consider the possibility of discussing his future with the club.

2 more seasons? you were beating you chest before Arteta had switched the lights on, while you were doing bhangra.

Why does the club need another 2 years of bottle job failure to go with the 4 that have just gone.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal next 4 PL games

Palace (H)
Forest (A)
Liverpool (H)
West ham (A)

Arsenal pretty much need 12 points or the so called title challenge will be over in February

 

[aboveandbeyond]

FA Cup isn’t the priority. It is a needless distraction.

The goal is to finish top two in the league (hopefully win it of course) and QF/SF of the UCL.

That would be a better season than finishing third/fourth + winning an FA Cup.

Nothing less than winning the title is acceptable, after spending over 200million last summer to add the missing links, surely this season is about getting over the line.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nothing less than winning the title is acceptable, after spending over 200million last summer to add the missing links, surely this season is about getting over the line.

Exactly has to be the title or CL trophy win.

But instead according to chairmen of arteta fan boys club, finishing 2nd and 1/4 finals of CL is success.

Glad you saw through @mamoons low standards

 

[Amjid Javed]

Apologize for what?

What failure?.

A 4th trophyless season is failure

You asked me if I'd give Arteta credit if we won title this season and I said yeah, if at same time you apologised if Arsenal ended trophyless.

But guess what your already making excuses

 

[shaz619]

I wasn’t expecting to finish ahead of the high and mighty Arteta end of 2023. All is not lost though just yet is it? with LFC, City and Big Arsenal in the title race

 

[Amjid Javed]

People who want Arteta to fail will obviously celebrate the last two defeats because for them, and this includes some Arsenal fans, being proved right is more important than seeing Arsenal win.

But I don’t think it is an alarming situation to begin with. It is better have a dip in form at this stage than March/April which is what happened last year.

Liverpool have been riding their luck this season. They have been far from impressive and there is a good chance that they might struggle for goals after Salah goes to AFCON.

Last time when he came back from AFCON, he was nothing like the player he was before in the season. AFCON is a brutal tournament.

Everyone excepts City to go on yet another run in the last 15 games and win it but they can’t keep doing it every year and their chances of making it four in a row are not very high.

Aston Villa is not in a title race so Arsenal still have a really good chance of going the distance. This isn’t one of those seasons where the champion will finish with 90+ points.

Desperation at its finest

Liverpool are lucky to be top - they have carried momentum from end of last season into this one, they have been consitent for a year now,.

Villa gave won 13 PL games this season, more than anyone else yet. You give them zero credit

Oh and man city can't keep performing like they do

Yet you can't even criticise your own team and manager who have been exposed to have no plan B.

The face your full of excuses and in denial and being delusional is hilarious.

 

[Mamoon]

Nothing less than winning the title is acceptable, after spending over 200million last summer to add the missing links, surely this season is about getting over the line.

If winning the title is the be-all and end-all, you will have to sack 19 managers every season. Changing managers is the last thing that Arsenal should be looking to do and I can assure that it is not even something that will be remotely discussed by the board.

What the club needs right now is to keep backing Arteta in the market so that he can complete the rebuild since he has already shown that he has what it takes to improve the standing of the club. Arsenal is very, very close and just needs a finishing touch now (no pun intended) and you have to back Arteta to oversee it.

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed

The goal is to win the league and make a strong impact in the UCL. Winning domestic cups means very little if you are not fighting for the title. Arteta also won the FA in his first season but it did nothing for the club because it was still a long way away from fighting for the title.

Arsenal is now is a title contender and it has been since 2022, and the only reason it has become a title contender again is because of Arteta. If Arteta could revive Arsenal from the rock-bottom situation in 2019 to title contenders today, he will also take the club from title contenders to champions.

Arsenal is very, very close and the fans need to exercise a little patience because Arteta is the right man for the job and has earned the faith of the club and the supporters.

If Arsenal don't win the league this season it will be disappointing, but we have to remember that it is Arteta who has put the club back in a position where not winning the title feels like a disappointment.

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed

Kiwior was signed as CB not as LB/LWB. He serves his purpose as Gabriel's backup. If he is not happy to be on the bench, he can leave and Arsenal will sign another left-footed CB.

Jorginho has served his purpose as a backup CDM. I hope you do realize that if Jorginho was not signed, all those minutes would have gone to Elneny. He was a necessary signing under the circumstances and you cannot find a better professional and someone with more pedigree and experience for this role.