Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[Amjid Javed]

To be a fantastic manager , he has to be winning major titles, so far he's in the decent category.

How ever, if he wins the title or champions league, my perception of him will change, but I doubt his ability to be elite.

Elite certainly isn't going near enough 4 seasons without even a cup final and possibly no titles and trophies in thats time.

If that's the bench mark for "elite" the brendon Rogers and poch are elite under those comical standards. Poch was in 2 title races and won nothing for all the hype he got for 2 seasons.

 

[ads101]

Arteta has done a great job. It was exactly what he was tasked to do, build a young side with longevity for the future to challenge for the title. The side that Arteta has built, he could potentially challenge for at least the next 5 years.

There aren’t even any genuine superstars like Man City or even Liverpool. VVD, Trent, salah, Allison, these guys are potentially the best in the world at their positions. I can’t think of a single Arsenal player who is that. Yes he’s spent money but Chelsea and united have spent more, and would kill for their team to be in the same position.

The biggest reasons why Arsenal didn’t win the title has nothing to do with Arteta IMO. The players choked last season against weak sides in the last part of the season. You don’t need special tactics against the weakest sides, the team should have gone there played as they usually did and steamrolled the opposition. Just bottled it because they were young and inexperienced. This season they were under transition with their midfield with Partey injured and Xhaka gone, they are finally hitting their stride now.

Right now football clubs are looking for managers who will not just win in the short term. But build a side for the future, have an actual valuable squad that will have power in the transfer market and longevity. Rather than just wasting large sums of money for a one shot at the title. The vast majority of the football world are surprised by Arsenal has been challenging for the title like this. And I’m sure bigger teams than Arsenal will take Arteta too. While it sounds crazy, I honestly think after Pep, Klopp, Zidane and Xabi (if he wins bundesliga which he probably will), Arteta probably follows them as the most attractive managerial option for football clubs. And unless you can get those previous names, I don’t see much point letting Arteta go.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta has done a great job. It was exactly what he was tasked to do, build a young side with longevity for the future to challenge for the title. The side that Arteta has built, he could potentially challenge for at least the next 5 years.

There aren’t even any genuine superstars like Man City or even Liverpool. VVD, Trent, salah, Allison, these guys are potentially the best in the world at their positions. I can’t think of a single Arsenal player who is that. Yes he’s spent money but Chelsea and united have spent more, and would kill for their team to be in the same position.

The biggest reasons why Arsenal didn’t win the title has nothing to do with Arteta IMO. The players choked last season against weak sides in the last part of the season. You don’t need special tactics against the weakest sides, the team should have gone there played as they usually did and steamrolled the opposition. Just bottled it because they were young and inexperienced. This season they were under transition with their midfield with Partey injured and Xhaka gone, they are finally hitting their stride now.

Right now football clubs are looking for managers who will not just win in the short term. But build a side for the future, have an actual valuable squad that will have power in the transfer market and longevity. Rather than just wasting large sums of money for a one shot at the title. The vast majority of the football world are surprised by Arsenal has been challenging for the title like this. And I’m sure bigger teams than Arsenal will take Arteta too. While it sounds crazy, I honestly think after Pep, Klopp, Zidane and Xabi (if he wins bundesliga which he probably will), Arteta probably follows them as the most attractive managerial option for football clubs. And unless you can get those previous names, I don’t see much point letting Arteta go.

Arteta has been phenomenal when you consider where Arsenal were when he took over and where the top 6 rivals were.

He has more than proved himself and proved that he is the right man for the job and the club was justified in persisting with him during the difficult COVID period.

The fact that this is his first experience as manager makes it even more impressive because he has done a better job than most other managers would have including experienced, big name managers.

That simply reinforces how good he is and how high his ceiling is. Arsenal is extremely lucky to have an elite manager like him who has 20+ years left in the tank and who will stay at the club for a very long time because he clearly deeply cares for the club.

Everything you wrote is very easy or understand and see but the problem is that you are dealing with folks who have absolutely no footballing sense and have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta has done a great job. It was exactly what he was tasked to do, build a young side with longevity for the future to challenge for the title. The side that Arteta has built, he could potentially challenge for at least the next 5 years.

There aren’t even any genuine superstars like Man City or even Liverpool. VVD, Trent, salah, Allison, these guys are potentially the best in the world at their positions. I can’t think of a single Arsenal player who is that. Yes he’s spent money but Chelsea and united have spent more, and would kill for their team to be in the same position.

The biggest reasons why Arsenal didn’t win the title has nothing to do with Arteta IMO. The players choked last season against weak sides in the last part of the season. You don’t need special tactics against the weakest sides, the team should have gone there played as they usually did and steamrolled the opposition. Just bottled it because they were young and inexperienced. This season they were under transition with their midfield with Partey injured and Xhaka gone, they are finally hitting their stride now.

Right now football clubs are looking for managers who will not just win in the short term. But build a side for the future, have an actual valuable squad that will have power in the transfer market and longevity. Rather than just wasting large sums of money for a one shot at the title. The vast majority of the football world are surprised by Arsenal has been challenging for the title like this. And I’m sure bigger teams than Arsenal will take Arteta too. While it sounds crazy, I honestly think after Pep, Klopp, Zidane and Xabi (if he wins bundesliga which he probably will), Arteta probably follows them as the most attractive managerial option for football clubs. And unless you can get those previous names, I don’t see much point letting Arteta go.

So the teams progression is solely on the manager? But when it bottled the league it was the players?

I suggest you go watch the show in 2nd half an Anfield, west ham and the Southampton games last season and you will find it was the managers weak and pathetic in game management and squad management under pressure. Exactly the same reason top 4 was bottled the season before that as well.

Elite managers manage every part of their squad they have and have a plan B. Arteta got Arsenal into a title race last season playing a certain way and then when teams worked Arsenal out he had no plan B. Even granit xhaka has said in interview that Arteta only wants to play 1 way, and Alonso changes accordingly to opposition he's playing. That's stubbornness and naivety on Artetas part last season. An in form trossard was dropped for a useless Jesus in the title run in. Jorginho signed as "experience" nowhere to be seen until damage was done in title race last season. So this nonsense it was just the players is hilarious.

Good managers and elite managers are truely tested when under pressure and adversity and in case of Arteta he's crumbled in last 2 season at tail end of season. Before people start crying about injuries to saliba etc.. every team gets injuries thats what a squad is for. Look at how many injuries Liverpool have this season yet they have won a trophy, still in FA Cup, still in Europa and top of PL. Look how many kids klopp has thrown in and been brave enough to get the best out of his entire squad. Yet when Arsenal have had injuries and a bench full of academy players, Arteta has shown no trust at all, thats poor squad management.

For all the good current form we are still 3rd. Before a certain cheerleader pipes up, Arsenal had same form last season winning 7 games in a row going to Anfield (9 games to go), as of right now we have Won 7 in a row again at same stage of season.

When Arsensl are on a roll its great. Usual issue is when a bad result occurs in the league, it comes in clusters of 2 or 3 games, that showd both the players and the manager have issues turning round bad results quickly. In a race with 2 teams which have been there and done that and rarely drop points in consecutive games in title runs, Arteta is going to have to show something he hasn't yet which is handling end of season pressure. So for all the current fantastic football it could be with nothing at end of season unless the end of season form improves.

Also this notion that other managers can't come in and do well with this talented squad is yet another tunnel vision example from the fan base.

Yes the manager has given team an outside chance in league, but in all other competitions the teams not even competitive its actually Embarrassing all the cup exits, again a sign of poor squad management and team mentality.

If the manager wins a PL or CL he will get credit he deserves, but this over hyping of zero achievement in last 3.5 seasons needs to stop, this why club has poor standards and no accountability.

We will see how good this team really is in last 9/10 games of season and whether it's a different Arsenal or not

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

@Amjid Javed Genuine question but if you had the chance to sack Arteta would you do it?

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed Genuine question but if you had the chance to sack Arteta would you do it?

Already answered this question numerous times, if this season ends trophyless (4th in a row), then it's time then board brought in a manager who can take the team over the line in regards to winning major trophies (PL and Europe) and competing to win all competitions every season (Arsenal's Cup record in last 4 years has been a shambles, not even been competitive).

Right now focus is Brentford at home and 3 points.

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed Genuine question but if you had the chance to sack Arteta would you do it?

I fully expected him to bottle your question and he didn’t disappoint.

After spending two years calling him a “clueless fraud”, he is still resorting to ifs because he doesn’t have confidence in his own assessment.

If he really thought his “clueless fraud” assessment is correct, he wouldn’t need to wait until the end of the season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Geordie Ahmed in case you have any follow up questions to my Answer.

No Arsenal are not winning the PL or CL this season.

I ain't a flip flop merchant when it comes to a predictions, unlike certain posters who are seeking validation after every game. Nor will I be running off and hiding on cricket forum like a certain rotten egg and tomato covered court jester.

I'm man enough to stick by prediction. I made at start of the season.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Arsenal left-back Oleksandr Zinchenko is a target for Newcastle United and Bayern Munich, with the Gunners wanting £38.5m (£32.9m) euros for the 27-year-old Ukraine international.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal left-back Oleksandr Zinchenko is a target for Newcastle United and Bayern Munich, with the Gunners wanting £38.5m (£32.9m) euros for the 27-year-old Ukraine international.

Il pay for his train fare to Newcastle, good riddance to useless club mascot

 

[MK7Z]

Il pay for his train fare to Newcastle, good riddance to useless club mascot

Please let this be true. The only player I dislike from this bunch of players.

Even if he was any good you'd turn a blind eye to his ugly personality but he is as useless on the pitch.

 

[Mamoon]

Zinchenko has an annoying personality but he is a very good player. Timber has a higher ceiling for sure and Zinchenko, who lives rent free in the heads of toxic fans, was never going to be a starter this season but Timber’s injury was unforeseen.

Zinchenko deserves more respect. He was one of the key architects for Arsenal leveling up from a top 4 contender in 21/22 to a title contender in 22/23.

He is dodgy defensively but almost every attack minded full back is circumspect defensively. It is very rare to find the best of both worlds but you have to strike a compromise.

With Timber getting back to full fitness soon, Zinchenko will not be a starter. In my opinion, Arsenal should accept big money offers for any player who is not going to be a regular starter because this is how you reinvest in the squad and keep things from stagnating.

Zinchenko, Jesus, Partey, Ramsdale, Nketiah, Smith-Rowe, Nelson and Vieira are all players that can be moved on if a good bid arrives but out of this lot, Jesus is the only one that Arsenal should look to actively sell because he is holding Arsenal back from signing a high quality number 9.

Everyone else can stay at the club and they are useful players but they can up for sale for the right price.

My wish however remains the same. Arsenal need to level up on Martinelli and replace him with a player who is more technically compact and intelligent.

Martinelli is great at created chaos and stretching defenses but I would mainly use him as an impact sub who can arrive late on and have a go at tired defenses.

However, realistically, it is not going to happen at least this summer because Arteta doesn’t seem him as a player who should be replaced as of yet but I do hope that he is the next in line who gets banished by Arteta.

Every season, Arteta identifies one weak link and drops him for good. Ozil, Aubameyang, Smith Rowe, Ramsdale. Hopefully Martinelli will be next.

 

[MK7Z]

So who is an upgrade on Martinelli please? You sticking to Mitoma? How has it been going for him recently?

Who would you like his replacement to be or even GJ9's replacement?

 

[Amjid Javed]

So who is an upgrade on Martinelli please? You sticking to Mitoma? How has it been going for him recently?

Who would you like his replacement to be or even GJ9's replacement?

Martinelli is 22, does he need to improve on his decision making as a player? Yes he does. However, how many 22 wingers in history of the PL or in football in general have been finished article. Realistically if you are going to upgrade on Martinelli it will cost a lot of money, there are very few world class wingers in general in world right now. Also Martinelli upgrade is not a priority for Arsenal.

A striker and a CM or another number 8 is the priority.

2 marquee signings. Then a CB as competition for saliba, a number 2 keeper.

Can't see Arsenal signing oshimen so then your looking at PL strikers like Toney, Watkins and isak. All 3 have pros and cons.

Ferguson at Brighton is not worth 100m, nor is he proven enough to merit that price tag.

 

[Mamoon]

So who is an upgrade on Martinelli please? You sticking to Mitoma? How has it been going for him recently?

Who would you like his replacement to be or even GJ9's replacement?

If you are asking for players who haven't yet been discovered properly then that is the job of Arteta and Edu - I don't get paid millions by the club to scout players. I'm certain there will be plenty of untapped talent in Europe and South America that the scouts should be looking at because Martinelli is not really a benchmark on the left wing. He is no Mbappe, Vinicius or Neymar.

If you want more established or promiment names then I would like Arsenal to explore the option of signing someone like Leao. Arsenal has the money and the pull, and I think Arteta can really unlock his potential. He is a serious player and his ceiling is higher than Martinelli's. He could have the type of impact Mane had at Liverpool.

Kvaratskhelia is another option. Higher potential than Martinelli with much better technical ability. Mitoma would also be better at Arsenal under Arteta than he is at Brighton but Arsenal can look for better options than him. The likes of Adeyemi and Nico Williams might not have great stats but I feel like Arteta could really take their game to the next level.

A certain Henry had pretty poor numbers at Juventus before Arsene unlocked him. I believe Arteta could have a similiar impact on some of the names that I mentioned above. These guys, coached by Arteta, could mirror Saka on the left flank.

As far as Martinelli is concerned, I get the age tax, but he has the same deficiencies that Theo Walcott and Oxlade Chamberlain had before him and they were protected by the age tax until one day everyone realized that they are now in their primes and they still have nothing between their ears.

Players who are technically limited or have poor game awareness/decision making rarely improve. You either have these things or you don't, and I will be very surprised (and I hope I am wrong) if Martinelli is any better at 27-28 then he is today.

As far as replacement for Jesus is concerned, lets start by going all out for Osimhen first. Arsenal fans with their usual inferiority complex think he is too big for Arsenal but that is rubbish. We also need to realize the fact that the big clubs are not looking for a striker this summer.

Madrid, City, Bayern, Barcelona, Liverpool, United, Chelsea and Juventus are going to go for him this summer for different reasons. Some of them don't need him while others cannot afford him. Only potential threat would be PSG who might chase him to replace Mbappe.

This summer is a golden opportunity for Arsenal to sign him. If not him then you have the likes of Toney who would be a very good addition. Boniface has pretty high ceiling too and I don't know why Ollie Watkins is never mentioned. He would jump at the chance of signing for Arsenal, he is entering his prime years and he score an impressive number of goals. Arsenal can also go back for Vlahovic too.

If he can score 16 in 27 at Villa under Emery, he can score at least 5-6 more in the same number of matches at Arsenal under Arteta.

Replacing Jesus is not a tall order, in fact it is easier than replacing Martinelli.

Jesus is one of the worst strikers in the world when it comes to putting the ball in the back of the net. Yes his all round play is very good, but his all round play is absolutely not needed and a lot of myths surrounding his importance and value to the team have been busted this season.

Dump him and get a striker who can get the ball into the back of the net, it is fine if he doesn't have the all round sauce of Jesus. Unless it is Osimhen, Arsenal don't even need someone who will start every game. You can rotate him with Havertz (who has proved the toxic idiots wrong). Basically, anyone who can score more goals than Jesus would do.

 

[MenInG]

Arteta on Kai Havertz: "It shows his character how he has dealt with all those question marks".

"He continued to work hard and that's why he's loved by everybody here. We can see his quality and intelligence on the pitch and the contribution he's having to the team".

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta on Kai Havertz: "It shows his character how he has dealt with all those question marks".

"He continued to work hard and that's why he's loved by everybody here. We can see his quality and intelligence on the pitch and the contribution he's having to the team".

Havertz has owned the toxic fans with zero ball knowledge but they don’t have the courage to admit it.

 

[hassan918]

Arsenal Starting XI vs Brentford: Ramsdale, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Kiwior; Jorginho, Rice, Odegaard; Saka, Havertz, Trossard

 

[Amjid Javed]

Cagey start, but 3 points is needed no matter how they come

 

[Amjid Javed]

Brilliant finish from Rice, up their for player of season at moment for Arsenal

 

[IMMY69]

Ramsdale what were you doing?

 

[Amjid Javed]

2 sitters missed by havertz

Then a stupid yellow cars

Ramsdale clanger

1-1

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ramsdale what were you doing?

Utter stupidity from ramsdale

To add to that all those sitters missed earlier. The game should have been out of sight, even before stupid goal given away.

 

[WengerOut]

So the implosion starts today?

 

[Amjid Javed]

After finding it so easy for last few games this kick up backside at HT will hopefully make team refocus after sloppiness at both ends of pitch

 

[WengerOut]

For all improvements, it would be funny one of the old culprits ( Ramsdale ) kickstarts the free fall.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Both havertz and Gabriel are on yellow cards going into 2nd half, hopefully we won't see any brain fades from either of these 2.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Unless Raya gets suspended or injured between now and end of season, then ramsdale has pretty much ended his own Arsenal career with that clanger

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good save from Ramsdale, that was some effort from Toney

 

[Amjid Javed]

Game getting fiesty, Gabriel needs to keep calm here.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pathetic dive from havertz, very lucky to not get a 2nd yellow. This donkey has already missed two sitters in 1st half as well.

 

[Amjid Javed]

2 good saves from ramsdale in 2nd half.

Rice hits bar at other end 1-1 still

 

[IMMY69]

How we missed Martinelli today.

He's different class and frightens the hell out of defenders

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ramsdale clanger in the first half but Arsenal haven't been great in the second.

I hope they get the goal though.

 

[Amjid Javed]

How we missed Martinelli today.

He's different class and frightens the hell out of defenders

Trossard has been pretty decent.

This is where someone else needs to step up, as their wil be plenty of games like this between now and end of season. We aren't going to smash every team

It's these games where players have to be more clinical

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nelson and cheerleader on for Trossard / kiwor

 

[Amjid Javed]

Havertz redeems his misses by scoring

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I've been following this thread but not posting much as I'm not an Arsenal fan.

But just stepped in to say Mamoon was right.

 

[Mamoon]

Toxic fans with zero ball knowledge exposed again.

Havertz has owned them and how. Great signing, great player. This is how you repay the faith.

 

[Amjid Javed]

2 really good crosses from Ben White for 2 goals, he's picked up form in 2nd half of season

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta wasn’t a fool to spend money on him. He saw something that toxic haters who can’t look beyond their nose couldn’t.

 

[Amjid Javed]

7 mins injury time, vital 3 points hopefully

 

[Amjid Javed]

FT 2-1

Hopefully City and Liverpool will draw tomorrow.

 

[MK7Z]

3 points was all that mattered in the end.

I'll repeat what I said earlier in the week. Kai is now consistently contributing and we are better for it.

 

[topspin]

I knew this was going to be a tough game.

Well done to Havertz for redeeming himself at the end after those missed chances in the first half. Scored when his side needed it the most so full credit to him for delivering when Arsenal were struggling to breakdown this Brentford side.

Ben White was MOTM for me with his 2 x assists. He’s by far Arsenal’s most improved player this season. It would be criminal for him to be left out by Southgate for the Euros squad this summer.

 

[MK7Z]

Aaron Ramsdale has been at fault in every game he has played.

I always say he jogs on the spot before he releases the ball and it caught up with him.

 

[topspin]

How we missed Martinelli today.

He's different class and frightens the hell out of defenders

BUT don’t forget:

wE nEeD mItOmA

 

[MK7Z]

I knew this was going to be a tough game.

Well done to Havertz for redeeming himself at the end after those missed chances in the first half. Scored when his side needed it the most so full credit to him for delivering when Arsenal were struggling to breakdown this Brentford side.

Ben White was MOTM for me with his 2 x assists. He’s by far Arsenal’s most improved player this season. It would be criminal for him to be left out by Southgate for the Euros squad this summer.

He's been brilliant recently. It's mad how he is never mentioned as one of the top RBs in the league.
Reece James is always injured. Walker is past his best. Trent is incredible.

People like Porro who has a wand of a right foot get more credit. But he is not a good defender.

 

[WengerOut]

Ok.. Brentford played to their reputation, masters of dark arts. For that case only, i have no sympathy for the Havertz non-red

 

[topspin]

Aaron Ramsdale has been at fault in every game he has played.

I always say he jogs on the spot before he releases the ball and it caught up with him.

I feel sorry for Ramsdale because he’s under pressure after losing his place and he’s been getting very few games.

But at the same time, it’s apparent that he’s inferior to Raya when it comes to ball to feet and as a result Arteta will feel vindicated for benching him in favour of the Spaniard.

In the second half, he did showcase his shot stopping skills with his wonderful reflex saves.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

FT 2-1

Hopefully City and Liverpool will draw tomorrow.

Its the title decider tomorrow

 

[Amjid Javed]

He's been brilliant recently. It's mad how he is never mentioned as one of the top RBs in the league.
Reece James is always injured. Walker is past his best. Trent is incredible.

People like Porro who has a wand of a right foot get more credit. But he is not a good defender.

Since start of this year white has stepped up his game, before that his performances were underwhelming.

Makes huge difference to balance of right side when white getting forward and helping saka, but also getting into the space vacated when saka is doubled up on. White wasn't doing that in 1st half of season.

Reece James as a footballer is done, his body is made of glass.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I feel sorry for Ramsdale because he’s under pressure after losing his place and he’s been getting very few games.

But at the same time, it’s apparent that he’s inferior to Raya when it comes to ball to feet and as a result Arteta will feel vindicated for benching him in favour of the Spaniard.

In the second half, he did showcase his shot stopping skills with his wonderful reflex saves.

Plenty of players in squad will get limited game time, but at sumpoint will need to come in when required. Ramsdale was to cocky at end of 1st half, it was a generally sloppy end to half

Luckily the clanger and complacency didn't cost Arsenal.

2 Good saves, but ultimately as a keeper you make 1 mistake and it will always cost a goal.

 

[topspin]

He's been brilliant recently. It's mad how he is never mentioned as one of the top RBs in the league.
Reece James is always injured. Walker is past his best. Trent is incredible.

People like Porro who has a wand of a right foot get more credit. But he is not a good defender.

Only a matter of time before he’ll be mentioned alongside those names.

Let’s see what Southgate does. He needs to put his agenda to one side for once.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Only a matter of time before he’ll be mentioned alongside those names.

Let’s see what Southgate does. He needs to put his agenda to one side for once.

White did himself no favours on his last call up, supposedly White's attitude in training was an issue which lead to him leaving camp last time.

Tbh I'd rather white not play whilst Southgate is manager, he's a useless manager who will continue to waste talent he has in squad. This is a guy who will play Henderson, maguire instead of more deserving players.

 

[Mamoon]

How we missed Martinelli today.

He's different class and frightens the hell out of defenders

No, Arsenal didn’t miss Martinelli. Had Saka not played today, Arsenal fans would be saying that Saka was missed too and things would have been different had he played.

This game was very similar to the ones Arsenal dropped points in and Martinelli did nothing in those games.

Brentford were very defensive and disciplined and Martinelli, with his technical limitations and lack of composure, struggles in such matches.

BUT don’t forget:

wE nEeD mItOmA

Arsenal fans with zero ball knowledge shouldn’t be talking.

“Arsenal should have signed Maddison instead of Odegaard”

“Havertz is rubbish and the worst signing of the season”

Mitoma is a better player than Martinelli and if Arsenal had signed him, Arteta would have unlocked him. He is technically and mentally way ahead of Martinelli.

You are wrong about Mitoma just like you are wrong about Havertz and are wrong about pretty much everything.

 

[Mamoon]

Its the title decider tomorrow

It is not. There are three teams in the title race.

 

[topspin]

I wouldn't sign Maddison for £70m, when you have Odegaard available less than half of this amount. What I actually said was Maddison should have been signed last summer for a cut price of £40m for depth in the CAM position.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Arsenal fans are over critical on Havertz. The guy is a very intelligent footballer .

I'd be more worried on Jesus whose so brittle. The guy is never fit.

 

[topspin]

No prizes for guessing who said "Pepe is one of the hottest assets in Europe". This is what zero ball knowledge looks like.

 

[Amjid Javed]

He claims I'm "wrong about pretty much everything" but the irony is earlier today, he's had to backtrack on his cheerleading for Zinchenko. He was his sole cheerleader on this group.

I wouldn't sign Maddison for £70m, when you have Odegaard available less than half of this amount. What I actually said was Maddison should have been signed last summer for a cut price of £40m for depth in the CAM position.

It's just a validation exercise after every game, like one game or performance is going to change everything. It becomes boring, best just not to engage

Even I think we shud have still signed maddison.

 

[Mamoon]

Truth hurts, and getting shown the mirror hurts even more. It is better to shut it out by using the ignore feature than to get humiliated on a daily basis.

However, let it be a lesson for the future.

 

[Mamoon]

Arsenal fans are over critical on Havertz. The guy is a very intelligent footballer .

I'd be more worried on Jesus whose so brittle. The guy is never fit.

Jesus should be sold in the summer while he still has some resale value. His and Zinchenko’s signing helped Arsenal level up from top 4 contender to title contender, but Jesus’ poor finishing and poor fitness makes him a liability now.

Ship him to Saudi or anywhere else in Europe while you can. Arsenal won’t recoup the £50m paid for him but I will be happy to make a loss on him to get him off the books.

 

[topspin]

It's just a validation exercise after every game, like one game or performance is going to change everything. It becomes boring, best just not to engage

Even I think we shud have still signed maddison.

100% agree and I've also stopped engaging with him. Only reason why I haven't ignored him is because I don't want to miss out all his gems which include:

• nIcOlAs PePe Is OnE oF tHe HoTtEsT aSsEtS iN eUrOpE
• tItLe Is In ThE bAg
• BaBaR sHoUlD bE rEaPpOiNtEd As PaKiStAn CaPtAiN
• mItoMa > mArTiNeLlI
• Cheerleading for medicority such as Zinchenko and Imam-ul Haq

 

[Mamoon]

After talking absolute drivel about Havertz and Arteta all season, why wouldn’t anyone want to stop engaging with me?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Il pay for his train fare to Newcastle, good riddance to useless club mascot

And I'd pay for someone to stick leaves on the track so the train doesn't make it here

Wouldn't want that zionist loving crybaby anywhere near my club

As it is, doubt Howe would want such a defensive liability anyway

 

[PakLFC]

I thought Pepe would be a great signing when Arsenal signed him. He seemed to have great pace leaving the defenders for dead but for some reason things didn't work out for him. No one is gonna pay good money for him now, Arsenal are gonna have to take a big hit on him. Arsenal are still in the title race and UCL although they will win neither! A good season nonetheless considering their also-ran standards

 

[Mamoon]

The two resident ignoramuses still have the audacity to say Arsenal should have signed Maddison instead of Havertz.

Some people really have no shame. If I were them, I wouldn’t be able to show my face on this forum after writing so much drivel about Havertz.

But I am so wrong. How can I be them? That can never happen.

 

[Mamoon]

And I'd pay for someone to stick leaves on the track so the train doesn't make it here

Wouldn't want that zionist loving crybaby anywhere near my club

As it is, doubt Howe would want such a defensive liability anyway

Zinchenko isn’t the right fit for Newcastle anyway, Howe doesn’t like to play football. Zinchenko’s amazing ability on the ball and passing range won’t add much to the way Newcastle like to play.

This isn’t a criticism of Howe though, it is just his idea of football with the group of players that he has and the quality of teams that he is competing with.

Zinchenko is not the best defender in the world and he is a bit weak in 1v1 situation but that is true for every attack minded fullback including everyone’s darling TAA, who has been directly responsible for more than half of the goals Liverpool has conceded during his career.

You have to take the good with the bad. You can’t have an attack-minded full back who is inverting, crossing, overlapping and doing all sorts of things on the ball and then also expect him to defend really well.

There is hardly a single example in football history of a full back who is exceptional on both ends so I don’t understand the over the top criticism of Zinchenko.

He was brought not for his defending skills but because of what he could contribute on the ball. His final contribution to Man City was coming off the bench on the final day vs Aston Villa, getting two assists and helping City win the league.

He was a key reason for Arsenal leveling up from a top four contender to a title contender in 22/23, and he was so vital for Arsenal’s attacking formations and building up from the back.

Zinchenko is a really good player and I wouldn’t sell him unless someone is willing to pay big money for him or unless he pushes for a move because his playing time will be a little limited because of Timber.

I agree that he is not a likable person but tbh I don’t really care because I’m not marrying my daughter to him. He can be a Zionist or whatever, that is his personal matter.

 

[PakLFC]

Havertz isn't that bad without being brilliant. Most Arsenal fans were indeed upset when he was signed at the expense of a proper forward. Most contributors on AFTV couldn't understand why so much money was spent on him when Declan Rice had been signed. Some folk on AFTV like conspiracy theorist Ty and the singing Kelechi are good entertainers. Half of Troopz speeches are "bruv", "bludd" and "you get me!!?". Do any Arsenal fans here ever contribute to that channel?.

 

[Mamoon]

Havertz isn't that bad without being brilliant. Most Arsenal fans were indeed upset when he was signed at the expense of a proper forward. Most contributors on AFTV couldn't understand why so much money was spent on him when Declan Rice had been signed. Some folk on AFTV like conspiracy theorist Ty and the singing Kelechi are good entertainers. Half of Troopz speeches are "bruv", "bludd" and "you get me!!?". Do any Arsenal fans here ever contribute to that channel?.

AFTV folks are no different than the resident Arsenal fans. Toxic, agenda-driven, impatient and have zero knowledge of football.

I stopped tuning into AFTV years ago because it is not a platform to discuss football and it is never host to any productive discussions.

Their opinions change after every game. They are pretty much wrong about everything every time.

As far as Havertz is concerned, Arteta knew why he wanted to sign him and what he wanted to get out of him. These toxic Arsenal fans wrote him off from day one and just didn’t give him a chance.

All he needed was a few months to get used to the club, the team and the new environment and get his confidence back after Chelsea ruined him and now here we are.

He is only going to get better and will be a key player for Arsenal in years to come.

 

[PakLFC]

@Mamoon

I think AFTV is a fun channel with some good entertainers. When there are so many contributors there contradicting views will be obvious. I remember in the FA Cup you should have tanked us had you a decent forward instead lost out to two late goals. That criticism of lacking a forward was fully justified at the time.

AFTV's recent tour to Ghana was good to watch..

 

[Amjid Javed]

So we have a wind up merchant trying to use AFTV as yard stick for Arsenal fan base, weak banter man. At least come up with something original.

 

[Mamoon]

@Mamoon

I think AFTV is a fun channel with some good entertainers. When there are so many contributors there contradicting views will be obvious. I remember in the FA Cup you should have tanked us had you a decent forward instead lost out to two late goals. That criticism of lacking a forward was fully justified at the time.

AFTV's recent tour to Ghana was good to watch..

AFTV has sadly become a representation of Arsenal fans because of their presence on the internet. They should not be representing Arsenal fans for reasons that have already been outlined in my previous post.

Because of such toxic, impatient and ignorant fans, the entire base of Arsenal fans have become synonymous with these traits. They have turned Arsenal into a laughing stock and caused severe damage to the club and its reputation.

Arsenal need to distance itself from such fans and removing the name “Arsenal” from AFTV was a necessary step.

 

[Amjid Javed]

100% agree and I've also stopped engaging with him. Only reason why I haven't ignored him is because I don't want to miss out all his gems which include:

• nIcOlAs PePe Is OnE oF tHe HoTtEsT aSsEtS iN eUrOpE
• tItLe Is In ThE bAg
• BaBaR sHoUlD bE rEaPpOiNtEd As PaKiStAn CaPtAiN
• mItoMa > mArTiNeLlI
• Cheerleading for medicority such as Zinchenko and Imam-ul Haq

The title in bag, is probably the biggest slap in face any PP has taken in history of this forum.

So much so they cudnt even make a prediction this season as they were scared of being humilated again.

Imagine making loads of statements about Arteta will do this, Zinchenko will do that, havertz is better than beckbauer.. so on and so forth and at end of you run off and hide on another forum.

Zero facts and wild statements, then getting rattled because your being ignored

 

[IMMY69]

The title in bag, is probably the biggest slap in face any PP has taken in history of this forum.

So much so they cudnt even make a prediction this season as they were scared of being humilated again.

Imagine making loads of statements about Arteta will do this, Zinchenko will do that, havertz is better than beckbauer.. so on and so forth and at end of you run off and hide on another forum.

Zero facts and wild statements, then getting rattled because your being ignored

Personally, I still think Arteta is doing a decent job. My faith in his has yet to faulter.

Zinchenko on the other hand is a massive liability... even Tomiyasu is far superior at left backeven though he is a natural right back.

Without the injuries we actually have a superb squad good cover in almost all of the positions.
Gabriel in defence has taken his game to another level and everything looks great for the future.

The elephant in the room remains the striker position, and if it were upto me I would go all out this summer, like we did for Rice last summer.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Personally, I still think Arteta is doing a decent job. My faith in his has yet to faulter.

Zinchenko on the other hand is a massive liability... even Tomiyasu is far superior at left backeven though he is a natural right back.

Without the injuries we actually have a superb squad good cover in almost all of the positions.
Gabriel in defence has taken his game to another level and everything looks great for the future.

The elephant in the room remains the striker position, and if it were upto me I would go all out this summer, like we did for Rice last summer.

Yes there are a few positions still to cover.

A striker and another midfielder being priorities and marquee signings. We then also need a right winger to help saka, unless Jesus starts being used there to.

Also another CB is needed, reality is a serious Injury to saliba or Gabriel and we are short of a top quality 3rd CB in that position. Kiwor, White. Tomiyasu could play there but would be better to gey another CB in.

Also a number 2 keeper as well.

 

[IMMY69]

Yes there are a few positions still to cover.

A striker and another midfielder being priorities and marquee signings. We then also need a right winger to help saka, unless Jesus starts being used there to.

Also another CB is needed, reality is a serious Injury to saliba or Gabriel and we are short of a top quality 3rd CB in that position. Kiwor, White. Tomiyasu could play there but would be better to gey another CB in.

Also a number 2 keeper as well.

Issue with buying to top quality back ups is that they are not going to sit on the bench and just play cup games...

We really need to promote our academy /upcoming players... a balance has to be struck between buying marque players and promoting born and bred Arsenal players (such as Saka, Nelson, ESR)..

Jesus would be an ideal backup for Saka, providing he's prepared to play there and this is precisely why I wouldn't sell him...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Issue with buying to top quality back ups is that they are not going to sit on the bench and just play cup games...

We really need to promote our academy /upcoming players... a balance has to be struck between buying marque players and promoting born and bred Arsenal players (such as Saka, Nelson, ESR)..

Jesus would be an ideal backup for Saka, providing he's prepared to play there and this is precisely why I wouldn't sell him...

Arteta doesn't promote or use the academy players. Nor does he trust a lot of bench players all the time. So yes your right he should use academy players more. Also this squad needs to start being able to compete on all fronts, can't keep having Same poor cup exits.

The CB signing doesn't have to be marquee, you can still bring a player in whose a competent level and do a job, no top club just has 2 good CBs and no decent 3rd option, it's a squad game for football now.

 

[Rana]

Arsenal’s big money signings getting them 3 points last night and keeping them in the race