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aboveandbeyond said:
Absolutely I will. Let me remind you, this is Artetas 6th season at Arsenal.
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We should also remember that it took Fergie 4 years before winning his first trophy at Manu.
6 years before winning the league and was on the verge of being sacked.

On the other side of the coin, you have clubs like Tottenham who have been through around 8 to 10 managers since winning their last cup ( a useless one too) and have yet to win anything...similarly numerous clubs that have not one a single trophy...
So it always comes down to what progression you can see on the pitch and what the actual experts think, not some arm chair fan of an opposing team.
 
Arteta beat us at home and gave City a bloody nose in their back yard, surely this season has to be it for the special one?
 
IMMY69 said:
We should also remember that it took Fergie 4 years before winning his first trophy at Manu.
6 years before winning the league and was on the verge of being sacked.

On the other side of the coin, you have clubs like Tottenham who have been through around 8 to 10 managers since winning their last cup ( a useless one too) and have yet to win anything...similarly numerous clubs that have not one a single trophy...
So it always comes down to what progression you can see on the pitch and what the actual experts think, not some arm chair fan
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The person I sent this to has a habit of down playing other managers who have had more success than Arteta. I'm only comparing Artetas achievements to others. And to suggest Arteta is the best youngmanager in Europe is absolute delusion.

And how did you come to a conclusion I'm a arm chair fan?
 
IAJ said:
Of course you can use that XYZ player logic when a single player stands out from rest of the team. That is common sense.

I like how you keep talking about 10-men thing and I know exactly what I am doing here. No quality in this Arsenal team, not a title contender. Eeven a certain Norwegian star will not help you get the title. Never seen such a poor 10-men team. Even Leeds with 10 men won against City only 3 years ago. Do you really get what I am typing here, you english professor? Even Leeds won against city at Etihad with 10 men...lol..
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No, you cannot use that logic. Any player who does well is part of the team’s success and he contributes to the strength of the team. Arsenal have a world class defense because they have two World Cup CBs and a GK who has leveled up into a world class GK this season.

You are delusional beyond measure if you think Arsenal are not a title contender. Not only delusion but also sleeping for two years.

Arsenal is the biggest title contender along with Man City and they will be up there in the business end of the season again.

If you think Arsenal isn’t a title contender and Liverpool are better, please make sure you don’t hide in May and are ready for your rotten eggs and tomatoes because I will remember you.

And please stop referencing that Leeds game. A completely different situation.

Let me educate you. City had a front three of Jesus, Torres and Sterling and a midfield of Zinchenko, Bernardo and Fernandinho.

There was no Haaland at the time because he had signed in 2022 and De Bruyne and Rodri were on the bench. They didn’t even come on in the second half even when City were chasing the game, that’s how irrelevant that game was for City.

Current City would destroy that City today. In fact, current Arsenal would beat that City with 10 men.

That Leeds would ship 5 goals vs current City with 10 men.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
The person I sent this to has a habit of down playing other managers who have had more success than Arteta. I'm only comparing Artetas achievements to others. And to suggest Arteta is the best youngmanager in Europe is absolute delusion.

And how did you come to a conclusion I'm a arm chair fan?
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I assumed you didn't attend the games and don't play the game.
 
Mamoon said:
No, you cannot use that logic. Any player who does well is part of the team’s success and he contributes to the strength of the team. Arsenal have a world class defense because they have two World Cup CBs and a GK who has leveled up into a world class GK this season.

You are delusional beyond measure if you think Arsenal are not a title contender. Not only delusion but also sleeping for two years.

Arsenal is the biggest title contender along with Man City and they will be up there in the business end of the season again.

If you think Arsenal isn’t a title contender and Liverpool are better, please make sure you don’t hide in May and are ready for your rotten eggs and tomatoes because I will remember you.

And please stop referencing that Leeds game. A completely different situation.

Let me educate you. City had a front three of Jesus, Torres and Sterling and a midfield of Zinchenko, Bernardo and Fernandinho.

There was no Haaland at the time because he had signed in 2022 and De Bruyne and Rodri were on the bench. They didn’t even come on in the second half even when City were chasing the game, that’s how irrelevant that game was for City.

Current City would destroy that City today. In fact, current Arsenal would beat that City with 10 men.

That Leeds would ship 5 goals vs current City with 10 men.
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You are not educating me. I told you about that game, then you went to google and searched the game and studied it. If anything I educated you and you ran to google and learned more about the game. This is what teachers do at school. They introduce a new lesson and then the students go home and learn more about it. Try it harder next time.

But that does not change anything. It was a win with 10 men against City at Etihad, a City team which won PL comfortably that season. And we are talking about a side which were 16 years away from PL.

City and even Liverpool wil be too good for Arsenal in the end and you can keep bragging about your defence. It's not Arsenal which is good, the rest of the teams are mostly crap. I still think Brighton can surprise this season and may end above Arsenal lol, we shall see.

Anyways, my last reply to you on this topic as I don't want to derail the thread. You should stick to cricket and golf. Football is not your thing.
 
'I prefer facts to words' - Arteta on 'dark arts' claims

Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta says his side's tactics in Sunday's 2-2 draw against Manchester City were "normal".

The Gunners conceded a 98th-minute equaliser at Etihad Stadium, having been reduced to 10 men following Leandro Trossard's sending off in first-half stoppage time.

Arsenal were accused of time-wasting against City, with John Stones and Kyle Walker saying the Gunners used the "dark arts" while protecting their 2-1 lead.

But Arteta says his team had little option but to defend deeply, given City's numerical advantage, referencing a moment in the first half when Guardiola's side were down to 10 following Rodri's injury.

"Well, we had to play the game that we had to play. The first 15 minutes, we couldn't. They [City] played 30 seconds with 10 men. Look what they did. It's normal what they did," said Arteta.

"Unfortunately we've been in the same situation. We were in that same situation with Granit [Xhaka] when we lost 5-0 [in 2021]. So we'd better learn. If not I would be very thick."


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Mikel Arteta: Arsenal boss defends tactics from 2-2 draw with Manchester City

Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta says his side's tactics in Sunday's 2-2 draw against Manchester City were "normal".
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Cricket Warrior said:
'I prefer facts to words' - Arteta on 'dark arts' claims

Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta says his side's tactics in Sunday's 2-2 draw against Manchester City were "normal".

The Gunners conceded a 98th-minute equaliser at Etihad Stadium, having been reduced to 10 men following Leandro Trossard's sending off in first-half stoppage time.

Arsenal were accused of time-wasting against City, with John Stones and Kyle Walker saying the Gunners used the "dark arts" while protecting their 2-1 lead.

But Arteta says his team had little option but to defend deeply, given City's numerical advantage, referencing a moment in the first half when Guardiola's side were down to 10 following Rodri's injury.

"Well, we had to play the game that we had to play. The first 15 minutes, we couldn't. They [City] played 30 seconds with 10 men. Look what they did. It's normal what they did," said Arteta.

"Unfortunately we've been in the same situation. We were in that same situation with Granit [Xhaka] when we lost 5-0 [in 2021]. So we'd better learn. If not I would be very thick."


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Mikel Arteta: Arsenal boss defends tactics from 2-2 draw with Manchester City

Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta says his side's tactics in Sunday's 2-2 draw against Manchester City were "normal".
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lol @ same situation? You lost 5-0 , this time you were leading the match 2-1.

Playing 6-3 is not normal , it’s ultra defensive . Meaning you can’t keep possession for more than 5 seconds, eventually you’ll concede. Arteta was happy with 1 point even when leading it seems.
 
IAJ said:
You are not educating me. I told you about that game, then you went to google and searched the game and studied it. If anything I educated you and you ran to google and learned more about the game. This is what teachers do at school. They introduce a new lesson and then the students go home and learn more about it. Try it harder next time.

But that does not change anything. It was a win with 10 men against City at Etihad, a City team which won PL comfortably that season. And we are talking about a side which were 16 years away from PL.
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No one cares about Leeds, so forgive me if I don’t recall that game. You are right - I was actually half impressed until I saw the City lineup and the fact that Pep didn’t even bother to bring De Bruyne off the bench even though City were behind. Then I burst out in laughter at your naivety for juxtaposing (you can google it if it is too big a word for you) two matches with very little in common.
IAJ said:
City and even Liverpool wil be too good for Arsenal in the end and you can keep bragging about your defence. It's not Arsenal which is good, the rest of the teams are mostly crap. I still think Brighton can surprise this season and may end above Arsenal lol, we shall see.

Anyways, my last reply to you on this topic as I don't want to derail the thread. You should stick to cricket and golf. Football is not your thing.
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You continue to talk absolute nonsense. Arsenal will finish above Liverpool for the third straight season and fight for the title until the very end.

You can run away from this thread now if you wish but please don’t hide when I bring out the rotten eggs and tomatoes in May. I have bookmarked your posts.
 
IAJ said:
It's not Arsenal which is good, the rest of the teams are mostly crap. I still think Brighton can surprise this season and may end above Arsenal lol, we shall see.
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And then you got offended when I say that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are chatting absolute drivel.

Thinking that Brighton may finish above Arsenal is one of the worst football opinions I have ever come across let alone on this forum.

You have just exposed yourself if you hadn’t done that already.
 
IMMY69 said:
We should also remember that it took Fergie 4 years before winning his first trophy at Manu.
6 years before winning the league and was on the verge of being sacked.
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The fergie example holds zero credibility when using as an example of giving Arteta long rope in the job.

Fergies was already proven at Aberdeen both domestically and in Europe. He won 3 league titles with Aberdeen. Including his 1st one, where it was the 1st title won by a team other Rangers and Celtic in 15 years. In a league dominated by two teams who have won 109 Titles, Aberdeen are 3rd with 4 Titles (3 of those under fergie). Fergie Also won the cup winners cup beaten bayern and Real Madrid. Also won the euro super cup beating hamburg.


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Arsenal want fergie as their 1st choice when Don howe left, he rejected them and went to United. Arsenal then got george graham Fergie was rightly given time at United as he had credit in the bank as a manager.

Arteta hasnt proven anything in regards to league titles, competing on all fronts or being good enough in Europe. Fans need to stop using such examples to account for Artetas in ability to win anything in last 4 seasons, zero cup finals in that time.
 
Amjid Javed said:
The fergie example holds zero credibility when using as an example of giving Arteta long rope in the job.

Fergies was already proven at Aberdeen both domestically and in Europe. He won 3 league titles with Aberdeen. Including his 1st one, where it was the 1st title won by a team other Rangers and Celtic in 15 years. In a league dominated by two teams who have won 109 Titles, Aberdeen are 3rd with 4 Titles (3 of those under fergie). Fergie Also won the cup winners cup beaten bayern and Real Madrid. Also won the euro super cup beating hamburg.


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Arsenal want fergie as their 1st choice when Don howe left, he rejected them and went to United. Arsenal then got george graham Fergie was rightly given time at United as he had credit in the bank as a manager.

Arteta hasnt proven anything in regards to league titles, competing on all fronts or being good enough in Europe. Fans need to stop using such examples to account for Artetas in ability to win anything in last 4 seasons, zero cup finals in that time.
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Yes yes I am aware of all this.
the example shouldn't br taken in isolation...
if we were playing poorly, not competing in the league and playing rubbish football then I would extremely frustrated at the lack of trophies.

Arteta has given been a long rope, and in my opinion rightly so. Doesn't meant he won't end up hanging himself with it.
Although I hope he doesn't and we start adding to trophies to that cabinet.

By the way, one thing I can assure you of. Arteta has a very short fuse... he's an extremely bad loser and wants to win.... so even if the owners/board are happy to keep the status quo, I doubt Arteta will hang around if he isn't delivering trophies
 
IMMY69 said:
Arsenal must be doing well...
That's why these guys are here trolling
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Some of the stuff I’m reading, I mean seriously I can’t tell if it’s trolling or just delusion.

“Rice is a water carrier”
“Brighton might finish above Arsenal”

It’s literally turned into a comedy thread, thanks to all these imposters. 🤣
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Titles, silverware, are the yardstick for success . Can you remind me what exactly have the Gooners delivered in the last 5 years 🤣
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Other then one single poster no other Arsenal fan has made any claims or statements such as "we are the best".
Certainly no expressions of grandeur...

Almost all of us understand that it's all about winning... it's an Arsenal thread, so you will get people expressing their opinions on players and our manager, of course you will... but the non Arsenal fans have to do better with their trolling
 
You have to blind as a bat still question if Arteta is the right man for the job and still harbor doubts on his credentials as a manager.

You look at where Arsenal where when he took over and where Arsenal are today. It is a complete transformation and the fact that this is his first job as a manager makes it even more impressive.

He is a brilliant manager and Arsenal are incredibly lucky to have him. No genuine Arsenal fan should have no any doubts whatsoever over whether he will eventually win the Premier League or not because it is inevitable.

However, the blind hatred and agenda of some people are too strong to see what is unfolding in front of their own.

The genuine Arsenal fans are proud of the trajectory of the club and are enjoying what is, by far, the best period for the club in the last 20 years.

This is the first time in two decades that Arsenal have looked the part and have played like a proper big club ready to fight for the league title until the last moment.

The same people who don’t believe that Arteta will get Arsenal over the line are the same people who predicted Arteta’s sacking in the first 12 months of his tenure and also predicted that he would never have Arsenal challenging for the title.

Now that he has proved them wrong, they have decided to move the goalposts instead of raising their hands and admitting that they got it wrong.

When he wins the league, the same people will still lack the courage to be humble and will clutch at more straws such as City lost hunger, Rodri got injured, Pep left etc. etc.

Nevertheless, the ignorance and toxicity of this lot should not deter the genuine fans from enjoying this experience and taking pride in the fact that Arsenal are well and truly back.

As far as the rival fans are concerned, their jealously and bitterness is expected. Arsenal have sailed past them in the last two years and it is difficult for them to accept how Arteta has turned things around.
 
One challenge for Arteta would be keeping White, Timber and Calafiori happy. All three deserve to be permanent starters but it is not possible to accommodate them in the same lineup.

This can be a catch with depth. You want to have multiple quality players but then you have to live with the fact that you will have some frustration in the dressing room because none of them would be okay with playing a backup role.

In the long term, it is clear that Calafiori would be the default LB so Arteta will have to figure something out for White and Timber.
 
Mamoon said:
You have to blind as a bat still question if Arteta is the right man for the job and still harbor doubts on his credentials as a manager.

You look at where Arsenal where when he took over and where Arsenal are today. It is a complete transformation and the fact that this is his first job as a manager makes it even more impressive.

He is a brilliant manager and Arsenal are incredibly lucky to have him. No genuine Arsenal fan should have no any doubts whatsoever over whether he will eventually win the Premier League or not because it is inevitable.

However, the blind hatred and agenda of some people are too strong to see what is unfolding in front of their own.

The genuine Arsenal fans are proud of the trajectory of the club and are enjoying what is, by far, the best period for the club in the last 20 years.

This is the first time in two decades that Arsenal have looked the part and have played like a proper big club ready to fight for the league title until the last moment.

The same people who don’t believe that Arteta will get Arsenal over the line are the same people who predicted Arteta’s sacking in the first 12 months of his tenure and also predicted that he would never have Arsenal challenging for the title.

Now that he has proved them wrong, they have decided to move the goalposts instead of raising their hands and admitting that they got it wrong.

When he wins the league, the same people will still lack the courage to be humble and will clutch at more straws such as City lost hunger, Rodri got injured, Pep left etc. etc.

Nevertheless, the ignorance and toxicity of this lot should not deter the genuine fans from enjoying this experience and taking pride in the fact that Arsenal are well and truly back.

As far as the rival fans are concerned, their jealously and bitterness is expected. Arsenal have sailed past them in the last two years and it is difficult for them to accept how Arteta has turned things around.
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rans position will not be tolerated come end of the season with no success again. Arteta looks a desperate man, highlighted by his sudden Park the double decker tactics with any team that offers danger. He knows, time is running out, and with that time is running out for your constant dribble on here once Arteta moves on.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
rans position will not be tolerated come end of the season with no success again. Arteta looks a desperate man, highlighted by his sudden Park the double decker tactics with any team that offers danger. He knows, time is running out, and with that time is running out for your constant dribble on here once Arteta moves on.
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You have no clue, do you. The board just extended his contract because they have full faith in him.

Arteta will only be under pressure and the clock will start ticking for him if he fails to fight for the title. That would represent and backward progression, and winning a domestic cup will not compensate for failure to fight for the league.

There’s nothing wrong in parking the bus. You have to adapt the situation. Arteta is demonstrating his versatility as a coach.

His team scored 91 goals last season without a conventional striker. City, with Pep’s amazing attacking football and a goal scoring demon like Haaland only scored 5 more goals.

Liverpool scored 5 less goals in spite of Klopp’s heavy metal football and Salah, who is clearly a level above all Arsenal forwards.

So cut out this rubbish of Arteta being a defensive coach. Defensive coaches don’t score 91 goals. He is simply versatile and adaptable, fully capable of attacking and also capable of parking the bus when the situation requires to do so.

City doesn’t like it because they are used to teams, including Liverpool, turn up to Etihad and roll over for them. They’re uncomfortable with what Arsenal did at the Etihad last season and also this season and hence the tears.

As far as the rivals fans watching from below the table are concerned, no one really cares what they think. Their own managers and players are incapable of stopping City.

Arsenal is the only team right now that is hunting City down and making it difficult for them to walk away with the league but yet these United, Chelsea and Liverpool fans think they can tell Arteta and Arsenal fans what to do.
 
Mamoon said:
You have no clue, do you. The board just extended his contract because they have full faith in him.

Arteta will only be under pressure and the clock will start ticking for him if he fails to fight for the title. That would represent and backward progression, and winning a domestic cup will not compensate for failure to fight for the league.

There’s nothing wrong in parking the bus. You have to adapt the situation. Arteta is demonstrating his versatility as a coach.

His team scored 91 goals last season without a conventional striker. City, with Pep’s amazing attacking football and a goal scoring demon like Haaland only scored 5 more goals.

Liverpool scored 5 less goals in spite of Klopp’s heavy metal football and Salah, who is clearly a level above all Arsenal forwards.

So cut out this rubbish of Arteta being a defensive coach. Defensive coaches don’t score 91 goals. He is simply versatile and adaptable, fully capable of attacking and also capable of parking the bus when the situation requires to do so.

City doesn’t like it because they are used to teams, including Liverpool, turn up to Etihad and roll over for them. They’re uncomfortable with what Arsenal did at the Etihad last season and also this season and hence the tears.

As far as the rivals fans watching from below the table are concerned, no one really cares what they think. Their own managers and players are incapable of stopping City.

Arsenal is the only team right now that is hunting City down and making it difficult for them to walk away with the league but yet these United, Chelsea and Liverpool fans think they can tell Arteta and Arsenal fans what to do.
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By the way. Ten hag was given a contract extension for finishing 8th last season. So your clutching at straws.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
By the way. Ten hag was given a contract extension for finishing 8th last season. So your clutching at straws.
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Ten Hag was given a contract extension because United have changed more coaches than newborns change diapers and yet they have not progressed.

So the owners want to be patient with him to see if he can convert them into title challengers.

He would have gone if it wasn’t for the FA Cup that provided temporary relief in a failed season.

But Ten Hag can’t mask league failure by hiding behind domestic cups just like Wenger couldn’t hide behind 3 FA Cup wins in 4 years.

Sooner or later, perhaps as soon as this season, Ten Hag will have to fight for the league or he will be gone.

He can win as many domestic cups as he wants but unless and until he fights for the league, he will not have the full backing of the board and the fans.
 
Mamoon said:
Ten Hag was given a contract extension because United have changed more coaches than newborns change diapers and yet they have not progressed.

So the owners want to be patient with him to see if he can convert them into title challengers.

He would have gone if it wasn’t for the FA Cup that provided temporary relief in a failed season.

But Ten Hag can’t mask league failure by hiding behind domestic cups just like Wenger couldn’t hide behind 3 FA Cup wins in 4 years.

Sooner or later, perhaps as soon as this season, Ten Hag will have to fight for the league or he will be gone.

He can win as many domestic cups as he wants but unless and until he fights for the league, he will not have the full backing of the board and the fans.
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Agree in a way. But then the same logic Applies to Arteta, whose in his sixth season and no sign of silverware. You can spin it all you want, bottom line is there's alot of frustration in your meaningless paragraphs, and the clock is ticking fast for Sam Artetice
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Agree in a way. But then the same logic Applies to Arteta, whose in his sixth season and no sign of silverware. You can spin it all you want, bottom line is there's alot of frustration in your meaningless paragraphs, and the clock is ticking fast for Sam Artetice
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Because fans, pundits, experts and ex players alike can see the transformation on the pitch and they have some perspective... just applying logic without any hearsay or speculation, Arsenal so easily could be on a hatrick of titles had it not been against one of, if not the very best, team in the world.

So that's why Arteta has a long rope
 
IMMY69 said:
Because fans, pundits, experts and ex players alike can see the transformation on the pitch and they have some perspective... just applying logic without any hearsay or speculation, Arsenal so easily could be on a hatrick of titles had it not been against one of, if not the very best, team in the world.

So that's why Arteta has a long rope
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I see your balanced logic bro. Problem is, another Gooner on here will sit on the high Horse without excepting others point of views
 
Great performances from the youngsters.

Sterling looked sharp with his movement and dribbling but I can see why he’s been sidelined by Arteta. His final pass/shot isn’t always the best.

I’ve seen enough of Nwaneri to say that he should be starting for Arsenal as our CAM in Odegaard’s absence. Him and Myles Lewis-Skelly have a bright future ahead of them.

I would like to see Arteta play a greater role in the development of Arsenal’s Hale End products. To achieve this, he must gives these players minutes so they can develop.

The last thing I want to see is a repeat of the treatment that was given to ESR, who was just awarded 3 starts in the PL last season. Despite this very low number of starts, he still managed to earn himself man of the match in one of those games he played.

The next round will be away to Preston, who are one league up from Bolton. Arsenal have a good chance to make the last 8.
 
The lack of a half decent number 2 will be exposed at somepoint in season if Raya has to miss gales

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IMMY69 said:
Because fans, pundits, experts and ex players alike can see the transformation on the pitch and they have some perspective... just applying logic without any hearsay or speculation, Arsenal so easily could be on a hatrick of titles had it not been against one of, if not the very best, team in the world.

So that's why Arteta has a long rope
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Liverpool fans can use same excuse.

If not for Pep, klopp would have won X number of titles

If not for Fergie, "insert manager name" would have won X number of titles

It's a weak excuse, fans need to stop hiding behind excuses on failure.
 
So a certain people says Man City should have no excuse with Rodri being out.

Yet same people used the excuse when saliba was injured.
 
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People need to stop also using certaint "records" being achieved when ultimately end of season the club won nothing.

Most number of goals in premier league season

we got x number of points, compared to (insert team and seaaon)

All teams are judged on the era they are in and trophies the win.

Go back to 98/99, Arsenal won the double in 97/98.

98/99 - Arsenal conceded 17 goals in PL, a record at the time (2nd best in PL history now,)

Conceded 5 goals at home in PL (a record still to this day)

What did Arsenal win that season? Nothing, united won a treble.
 
Amjid Javed said:
People need to stop also using certaint "records" being achieved when ultimately end of season the club won nothing.

Most number of goals in premier league season

we got x number of points, compared to (insert team and seaaon)

All teams are judged on the era they are in and trophies the win.

Go back to 98/99, Arsenal won the double in 97/98.

98/99 - Arsenal conceded 17 goals in PL, a record at the time (2nd best in PL history now,)

Conceded 5 goals at home in PL (a record still to this day)

What did Arsenal win that season? Nothing, united won a treble.
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Please read before posting.
These are just reasons for why Arteta has been given a long rope not an excuse for not winning trophies.
 
IMMY69 said:
Please read before posting.
These are just reasons for why Arteta has been given a long rope not an excuse for not winning trophies.
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Yeah and 10 years when people look back no one will care. Managers at "big clubs" are judged on trophies.

Kronkes long rope for Arteta is on making CL, no different to when wenger was here.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Agree in a way. But then the same logic Applies to Arteta, whose in his sixth season and no sign of silverware. You can spin it all you want, bottom line is there's alot of frustration in your meaningless paragraphs, and the clock is ticking fast for Sam Artetice
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Keep repeating the same deluded, ignorant crap. It won’t make it any true.

No clock is ticking for for Arteta. The club and the fans (who understand football) are firmly behind him.

Everyone is 100% convinced that Arsenal will win the league under Arteta. It is question of when not if.

Arteta will only be in trouble if the club goes backwards. He will not be under pressure even if they stand still.

For example, if Arsenal finish the season with 91 points and City win the league with 94 points. Do you sack Arteta with the belief that he has taken Arsenal as far as he could?

Absolutely not. It will be madness to do so, because replacing means you’re risking destroying what you already have, because there is no guarantee that the next guy will take Arsenal the extra mile.

He could very well take Arsenal backwards and Arsenal will be back in the same place from where Arteta started the resurgence.

Arteta will only be in trouble and the clock will start ticking if Arsenal end up 3rd/4th fighting mounting a title challenge. That would represent regression.
 
Amjid Javed said:
So a certain people says Man City should have no excuse with Rodri being out.

Yet same people used the excuse when saliba was injured.
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Arsenal didn’t have depth in 2022-23, so the Saliba injury hit them hard.

The drop off from Saliba to Holding was immense. Things are different now - Saliba is the best CB in the world but Arsenal have added the likes of Calafiori and Timber to the ranks who can fill in as CB if needed and the drop off will not be huge to the point where the wheels would come off.

So if God forbid Saliba or Gabriel get injured, it won be an excuse for poor results because Arsenal have the depth in defense now.

Similarly, although City don’t have a like for like replacement for Rodri which is Pep’s fault for wasting money on a donkey like Kalvin Phillips, they have the likes of Kovacic and Gundogan who are highly quality CMs and give City the tactical flexibility to adjust to Rodri’s absence and still have an extremely strong team.

Therefore, injury to Rodri will not be accepted as an excuse if City don’t win the league this season.
 
🥱🥱😴😴 excuses as usual..

But but Arsenal back up was holding.

Arsenal had January transfer window that season to address the CB issue, they signed kiwor "the Polish maldini" according to Arteta bhangra squad.

Before the next excuses is rolled out. But but his left footed 🤡. No one cares.

Plenty of defenders with same stronger foot have played together. Also if you gey injuries. You adapt accordingly with personel you have or change formations, tactics etc.. funny how kiwor was brought in to replace holding once damage was done.

Tactical ineptness and squad management exposed. Also depending on Tomiyasu who can't stay fit that season was another inept move on manager part.

But the excuse will keep coming. Plenty of teams have lost key players for large parts of season and won title.

97/98 both Ian Wright (Arsenal main striker) and David seamen were injured for decent amount of time, but Arsenal got the job done.

All this we have "depth now" doesn't alter fact Arteta incompetence bottled a 8 point lead over a 7 game period.
 
Mamoon said:
Keep repeating the same deluded, ignorant crap. It won’t make it any true.

No clock is ticking for for Arteta. The club and the fans (who understand football) are firmly behind him.

Everyone is 100% convinced that Arsenal will win the league under Arteta. It is question of when not if.

Arteta will only be in trouble if the club goes backwards. He will not be under pressure even if they stand still.

For example, if Arsenal finish the season with 91 points and City win the league with 94 points. Do you sack Arteta with the belief that he has taken Arsenal as far as he could?

Absolutely not. It will be madness to do so, because replacing means you’re risking destroying what you already have, because there is no guarantee that the next guy will take Arsenal the extra mile.

He could very well take Arsenal backwards and Arsenal will be back in the same place from where Arteta started the resurgence.

Arteta will only be in trouble and the clock will start ticking if Arsenal end up 3rd/4th fighting mounting a title challenge. That would represent regression.
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Clear Frustration in your post. How long can you spin the lack of success under Arteta. Difference between progress and success is measured by timeframe. I could understand if Arteta was in his second or third season. Reality, it's his sixth season. Therefore only success is measured in that time frame, which imafraid is non existent.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Clear Frustration in your post. How long can you spin the lack of success under Arteta. Difference between progress and success is measured by timeframe. I could understand if Arteta was in his second or third season. Reality, it's his sixth season. Therefore only success is measured in that time frame, which imafraid is non existent.
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Arsenal could finish 2nd 10 seasons in a row and win zero trophies and the bhangra squad will still be twerking and calling it progress and best time of their lives.

Kronkes have no interest in winning titles or trophies and that's been instilled into the spineless fan base who are happy rolling out excuses.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Clear Frustration in your post. How long can you spin the lack of success under Arteta. Difference between progress and success is measured by timeframe. I could understand if Arteta was in his second or third season. Reality, it's his sixth season. Therefore only success is measured in that time frame, which imafraid is non existent.
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Success is not measured by trophies only. Arsenal in the last two seasons have been more “successful” than United in the last few years and Arsenal in the past 20 years.

Being a joke in the league and winning domestic cups is not success, but going toe to toe for the league title with one of the best teams of all time is success.

Besides, Arsenal have had a title challenging squad for only 2 years so the 6th year narrative doesn’t fly. Arteta inherited a club that was in disastrous shape so he had to do a lot of rebuilding.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Arsenal could finish 2nd 10 seasons in a row and win zero trophies and the bhangra squad will still be twerking and calling it progress and best time of their lives.

Kronkes have no interest in winning titles or trophies and that's been instilled into the spineless fan base who are happy rolling out excuses.
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Owners that have no interest in winning don’t spend £105m on a defensive midfielder.

The Kroenkes have been fully invested in taking Arsenal to the top after they assumed full ownership.
 
🤣🤣 same owners thar were more interested in making a profit this summer

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The occasional marquee signing once in a blue moon might fool the sheep in the fan base. Rice signing, was no different to partey or ozil.

Kronkes haven't invested a single penny of their own money into transfers in last 3 year PSR cycle. I already busted this myth when 2 other 🤡 brought this nonsense up in this thread.

Even FSG splashed out on VVD and Alison then reverted to type. Kronkes are just the same 🤡
 
"Sucess is not measured by trophies only"

🤣🤣

Big clubs are big clubs based on trophies they win.

Yet another comedy gem @topspin at this bakwas to the list.
 
Mamoon said:
Success is not measured by trophies only. Arsenal in the last two seasons have been more “successful” than United in the last few years and Arsenal in the past 20 years.

Being a joke in the league and winning domestic cups is not success, but going toe to toe for the league title with one of the best teams of all time is success.

Besides, Arsenal have had a title challenging squad for only 2 years so the 6th year narrative doesn’t fly. Arteta inherited a club that was in disastrous shape so he had to do a lot of rebuilding.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are seriously embarrassing yourself now.
 
Amjid Javed said:
🤣🤣 same owners thar were more interested in making a profit this summer

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The occasional marquee signing once in a blue moon might fool the sheep in the fan base. Rice signing, was no different to partey or ozil.

Kronkes haven't invested a single penny of their own money into transfers in last 3 year PSR cycle. I already busted this myth when 2 other 🤡 brought this nonsense up in this thread.

Even FSG splashed out on VVD and Alison then reverted to type. Kronkes are just the same 🤡
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Nonsense.

It doesn’t matter where the money is coming from. The only thing that matters is that it is being used to sign players.

I repeat: owners who lack ambition do not approve a £105m transfer of a defensive midfielder.

Remember when you did bhangra because you thought Arsenal would lose Rice to City and you’d blame Edu?

Arsenal and Edu absolutely bodied City in this deal and made the run away with their tail tucked between their legs.

Arsenal is one of the few clubs in the world that can convince a player to reject City and Pep.

That is the class of Arsenal and the pull of Arteta.
 
4 trophyless seasons in row, humilated in cups and in Europe, twerking for failure 🤡

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Mamoon said:
Keep crying.

Fighting for the title and finishing top 2 >>>>>> winning FA/League Cup after getting humiliated in the league
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Hope you took your Bp tablets before you post this.

We've got to be specific.

A Solo FA CUP in six seasons is normally a sackable offence specially when you've spent 650million.

But then again, Arteta is a perfect yes man for the Kronkes, hence still at the helm.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Hope you took your Bp tablets before you post this.

We've got to be specific.

A Solo FA CUP in six seasons is normally a sackable offence specially when you've spent 650million.

But then again, Arteta is a perfect yes man for the Kronkes, hence still at the helm.
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No one cares about the FA Cup in 2020. Arsenal have more FA Cups than anyone.

It is a pointless tournament and winning it means nothing to big clubs if they have been poor in the league.

The FA Cup is only valuable if you have won the league and it helps you do the double. Otherwise, it is of no significance in isolation.

Managers that show progression and take the club from a disastrous situation to title challengers are backed not sacked.

Look at where Arsenal were in December 2019 and look where they are today. Look at the gap between Arsenal and City when Arteta left Pep’s coaching staff and look at the gap now, and he did it while spending less £££ in the same period than United, Chelsea and even City themselves, who already a world class team in 2019.

Only someone who is blind as a bat and has no clue about football would think that a manager who has overseen such transformation and revival deserved to be booted.

Arsenal’s goal is to win the Premier League and Arteta, sooner or later, will achieve this goal and this is why he is being backed by the board and the genuine fans who don’t hide behind their agendas.

If Arsenal win a couple of domestic cups along the way? Great, but winning domestic cups is not objective because the eyes or on the prize that matters, the Premier League trophy.

Winning domestic cups doesn’t mask league failure. Arsene Wenger won 3 FA Cups in 4 years but he was still driven out by the fans because he was failing in the league.

You can win domestic cups every year but if you are not fighting for the Premier League, you will not be able to keep your job and have the trust of the fans and the board.

The Kroenkes want to win the Premier League and this is why they have faith in Arteta. If their objective was to have a yes man who keeps them in contention for top 4, they would have convinced Wenger to stay and wouldn’t have sacked Emery.

Arteta is a brilliant young manager with the desire, ambition and energy to win the Premier League and he is far from a yes man. Yes men don’t kick out players the way he has kicked out plenty of players including the club captain Aubameyang who was one of the best strikers in the world at the time.
 
😴😴 "copy" "paste" Arteta this Arteta that...

Same 💩 different day.

Generational manager, best young manager... alsorts of other deluded 💩

1 trophy in 5 years is embarrassing
 
City dropping points again. Great chance for Arsenal to close that gap.
 
That was poor from Martinelli, poor 1st touch and less said about the finish the better 💩
 
Martinelli atones for earlier miss with a good finish

1-0
 
Goal and assist for Martinelli. Following up from his performance last week and great to see him end his goalless streak.
 
Pathetic defending, Leicester had 2 chances before that so its not a shock
 
Leicester looking dangerous on counter, Arsenal defensively have been useless
 
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Leicester keeper pulls off another good save
 
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