Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[MK7Z]

Imagine hyping up players that have 1 PL title, same as Blackburn and Leicester. In the case of one player, who helped City win a title (let's not let this slip )

It's actually hilarious how in the PL era, Liverpool act like they are on a par with united, City and Chelsea.

100% spot on calling out the clueless Liverpool fans.

All of sudden because Allison can use his feet he's better then schemicel, cech and van der saar. It's hilarious.

I can see right through what he does in this thread. He makes odd statements to trigger Arsenal fans.

He claims he doesn't but makes these statements on the Arsenal thread.

The divide in the fan base has helped him in the past as he would get backed but this last week him and his mate have got it from all angles.

We may lose on Sunday but that won't change 95% of what we have said. We've never claimed this team is up there with greats.. Once they win something consistently they'll then enter the conversation.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

No you’re slow because I confirmed the same team barring keeper .

It’s opinion based it’s silly to argue but one thing for sure arsenal will only have Henry from the past or for probably decades to come . Not a single arsenal player right now will come close

Sunday they can prove me otherwise

I think in terms of the past Vieira definitely has a strong claim to be in, Adams too

And moving forward I think Saliba can get himself in that conversation but he still has loads to do to even get remotely close

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think in terms of the past Vieira definitely has a strong claim to be in, Adams too

And moving forward I think Saliba can get himself in that conversation but he still has loads to do to even get remotely close

Vieira was instrumental in winning 3 PL titles at Arsenal, we haven't won one side he left. Liverpool fans want to get excited by a midfielder whose greatest PL achievement is helping Man city win a title.

In regards to van dyk for about 2 seasons he was an absolute beast, byf we've seen similar in jaap stam in his short stay at united.

Campbell, Terry, vidic, ferdinand have all had longer peaks in PL the VVD.

Opinions or not, Liverpool fans are never objective.

If you want to talk about players who were good over a short period of time you could then include suarez who was amazing whilst he was here. But reality is he wasn't in the PL long enough to be looked at in all time X1.

I don't dismiss Liverpool players in PL as they have had some good ones, but there fans seems to think vast majority of their players in last few years are elite which they ain't.

 

[topspin]

Only Henry from the past? You are full of it. We've literally won more PLs than pool in last few Decades.

Tell me you are clueless about football without telling me you are clueless.

I keep smashing your statements. I'll keep doing it

It's called zero ball knowledge.

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's called zero ball knowledge.

Its called being typical Liverpool fan

 

[Mamoon]

@Mamoon


Your boy is very confident so should you be

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I’m always confident when Liverpool are in town because they always go back pregnant when they leave the Emirates.

However, you don’t appear to be confident because you know that losing to a heavily depleted Arsenal side will be embarrassing especially when you claimed that only Saliba would get into the Liverpool XI.

Nonetheless, Jota is out as well so now you can at least use that as a half-baked excuse if things don’t go your way.

 

[Amjid Javed]

lol you had 2/3 players out & were at home & a bottled a lead .

It seems you have no belief in your team or winning anything, why bother watching

Only team that bottled it was Liverpool.

No Arsenal players make it into a combined starting 11, also you have 4 ATGs, according to you earlier in the week this was an easy win.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta has a squad , those players did well, put some respect on their name & the manager for selecting them ,

Jota was a miss for Liverpool.

Salahs goal was brilliant , the run & finish . So was Sakas .

An entertaining game , Arsenal being 2-1 up , hung on in the end .

Anfield will be a win , hopefully Arsenal won’t be too far behind in the table .

You predict a win for Liverpool every time they play Arsenal only to be proved wrong.

The last time Liverpool beat Arsenal in the PL was March 2022. We are only 3 months away from entering 2025. Please sit down.

 

[Mamoon]

VVD should have been red carded for that WWE move on Havertz early in the game.

 

[Amjid Javed]

God knows bro. He waited to see if Havertz could reach it then blew... Blow straight away you egg head

I cudnt see any foul, not sure why goal was disallowed

 

[topspin]

Feels like 2 points lost than a point gained, despite the fact that Gabriel and Timber had to go off due to injuries.

The first half was excellent and we were all over. If Saliba was playing, I'm pretty sure, Arsenal would've not conceded that VVD goal. It would have been nice if Merino scored that sitter he missed.

In the second half, we tried to play a low block and hit Liverpool on the counter. It ended up backfiring because of those 2 x injuries. Martinelli's decision making and composure on multiple occasions was shocking. That ball he played from the left to the right flank was really poor. Then, just outside the penalty box, he tried to play it through the legs of the Liverpool defender which was a poor choice of pass.

I thought Arsenal's disallowed goal by Jesus, before the end of the game, should have stood. It was a soft decision to penalise Kiwior for that.

It was a real shame that corner wasn't given. I really fancied it and I could see Liverpool choking it.

Saka was my man of the match. This season he's been the best right winger in Europe. Only deluded fans would take Palmer over him.

I was also impressed by Merino, Rice, Partey, Timber and Gabriel (before they got injured).

 

[topspin]

VVD should have been red carded for that WWE move on Havertz early in the game.

It was clearly violent conduct. Lashed out on the German. I thought it was a red.

 

[topspin]

I cudnt see any foul, not sure why goal was disallowed

Even Mike Riley said it was 50/50 and looked a little soft. That tells you everything because we all know he's quite biased, as he always defends the referees.

 

[MK7Z]

I cudnt see any foul, not sure why goal was disallowed

He blew the whistle so that's his excuse. Should have let the move play out.

After watching the pen given against United earlier we should have had a pen when Konate took out Mattinelli.

But we know they haven't a clue what they are doing

 

[Mamoon]

Feels like 2 points lost than a point gained, despite the fact that Gabriel and Timber had to go off due to injuries.

The first half was excellent and we were all over. If Saliba was playing, I'm pretty sure, Arsenal would've not conceded that VVD goal. It would have been nice if Merino scored that sitter he missed.

In the second half, we tried to play a low block and hit Liverpool on the counter. It ended up backfiring because of those 2 x injuries. Martinelli's decision making and composure on multiple occasions was shocking. That ball he played from the left to the right flank was really poor. Then, just outside the penalty box, he tried to play it through the legs of the Liverpool defender which was a poor choice of pass.

I thought Arsenal's disallowed goal by Jesus, before the end of the game, should have stood. It was a soft decision to penalise Kiwior for that.

It was a real shame that corner wasn't given. I really fancied it and I could see Liverpool choking it.

Saka was my man of the match. This season he's been the best right winger in Europe. Only deluded fans would take Palmer over him.

I was also impressed by Merino, Rice, Partey, Timber and Gabriel (before they got injured).

I love Saka but I would disagree with the assessment that he has been the best RW. Yamal is a magician and I don’t like saying this but his potential is significantly higher than Saka’s. He could reach the levels of someone like Salah if not higher.

Anyway, a discussion for another day and another thread. Overall, agree with this review. Arsenal were the better side in spite of having so many injuries.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You predict a win for Liverpool every time they play Arsenal only to be proved wrong.

The last time Liverpool beat Arsenal in the PL was March 2022. We are only 3 months away from entering 2025. Please sit down.

You also predicted a win . Your prediction of winning 2/3 in years is looking tough this season.

You’re a home & the away team had better stats , outpassed , more shots on target, more possession. We went for the winner but wasn’t meant to be .

Interesting Arsenal fans this year are relieved at a point , at home . And Liverpool fans are disappointed with a point , even coming from behind .

Sure he happy with a point . See you at Anfield

 

[Amjid Javed]

Feels like 2 points lost than a point gained, despite the fact that Gabriel and Timber had to go off due to injuries.

The first half was excellent and we were all over. If Saliba was playing, I'm pretty sure, Arsenal would've not conceded that VVD goal. It would have been nice if Merino scored that sitter he missed.

In the second half, we tried to play a low block and hit Liverpool on the counter. It ended up backfiring because of those 2 x injuries. Martinelli's decision making and composure on multiple occasions was shocking. That ball he played from the left to the right flank was really poor. Then, just outside the penalty box, he tried to play it through the legs of the Liverpool defender which was a poor choice of pass.

I thought Arsenal's disallowed goal by Jesus, before the end of the game, should have stood. It was a soft decision to penalise Kiwior for that.

It was a real shame that corner wasn't given. I really fancied it and I could see Liverpool choking it.

Saka was my man of the match. This season he's been the best right winger in Europe. Only deluded fans would take Palmer over him.

I was also impressed by Merino, Rice, Partey, Timber and Gabriel (before they got injured).

- let's hope Gabriel injury isn't serious
- Timber I think it's more match fitness he went off
- 1st goal, Martinelli let's man go, havertz gets beaten on 1st header. Same think vs Bournemouth, switching off on set pieces
- second half we went to defensive, then lacked composure in final 3rd on the ball.
- 2nd goal, if we playing low block what are our defenders doing so high up the pitch. Martinelli stupidly loses the ball, White position is so he can't head the ball and then we end up 2 vs 1.
- not sure where foul is for disallowed goal (yet if it was other end of pitch, probably be given)

Partey for me was our best player on pitch

 

[Mamoon]

You also predicted a win . Your prediction of winning 2/3 in years is looking tough this season.

You’re a home & the away team had better stats , outpassed , more shots on target, more possession. We went for the winner but wasn’t meant to be .

Interesting Arsenal fans this year are relieved at a point , at home . And Liverpool fans are disappointed with a point , even coming from behind .

Sure he happy with a point . See you at Anfield

Don’t act tough now, we all know you were on the toilet until Salah scored. Same Salah who was invisible until Gabriel and Timber were on the pitch.

 

[Mamoon]

Partey was amazing apart from that one moment where Diaz cooked him.

 

[topspin]

I think we've seen enough for us to conclude that Arsenal clearly don't have sufficient squad depth to play 3 games every 7 days.

If I was Arteta, save your most important/injury prone players like Timber, Calafiori, Saka, Odegaard, Saliba and etc for the the PL.

I know this might sound defeatist but looks what's happening to our defence. It's like someone has done some voodoo on our team with all these injuries. We have so many defenders but we're still struggling to cope because of all this fixture congestion.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Liverpool also missing a couple of first xi players.

Liverpool were poor in the first half but turned it around in the 2nd half .

If it was Klopps team could have won this but Slot played a different style again.

4 points ahead , away draw . Arsenal have to come to Anfield , not a bad start to the season .

City will be very tough to catch for any team .

Yes. Second half you guys bossed the game, Gooners were happy with a point by the looks of the tactics as a home side

 

[topspin]

I love Saka but I would disagree with the assessment that he has been the best RW. Yamal is a magician and I don’t like saying this but his potential is significantly higher than Saka’s. He could reach the levels of someone like Salah if not higher.

Anyway, a discussion for another day and another thread. Overall, agree with this review. Arsenal were the better side in spite of having so many injuries.

I do agree that Yamal has a much higher ceiling than Saka.

Yamal will end up winning at least one Ballon d'or. But this season I feel Saka has been brilliant.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You also predicted a win . Your prediction of winning 2/3 in years is looking tough this season.

You’re a home & the away team had better stats , outpassed , more shots on target, more possession. We went for the winner but wasn’t meant to be .

Interesting Arsenal fans this year are relieved at a point , at home . And Liverpool fans are disappointed with a point , even coming from behind .

Sure he happy with a point . See you at Anfield

Arsenal relived at a draw and point? Yet more nonsense. I'm annoyed we did not win game.

 

[topspin]

- let's hope Gabriel injury isn't serious
- Timber I think it's more match fitness he went off
- 1st goal, Martinelli let's man go, havertz gets beaten on 1st header. Same think vs Bournemouth, switching off on set pieces
- second half we went to defensive, then lacked composure in final 3rd on the ball.
- 2nd goal, if we playing low block what are our defenders doing so high up the pitch. Martinelli stupidly loses the ball, White position is so he can't head the ball and then we end up 2 vs 1.
- not sure where foul is for disallowed goal (yet if it was other end of pitch, probably be given)

Partey for me was our best player on pitch

I thought Martinelli was really poor. It’s becoming apparent that we need an upgrade on him during the summer.

I hate to say it because we need his blistering pace, as no other play can match him in this regard.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Jamal Musiala also plays Right wing or AM . That guy has levels on any winger Forward in the Premiership.

 

[MK7Z]

Arsenal relived at a draw and point? Yet more nonsense. I'm annoyed we did not win game.

I've asked him to point me to where Liverpool had the chance to win the game. Instead he's going on about possession and passes lol

 

[Amjid Javed]

Every team will get injuries and suspension, but seems evertime their is adversity with the team, the manager defaults to going to defensive. More often then not, when that happens you ain't to going to win games. You have to find a way to still win games of football like today.

Arsenal are now going to have to somehow get 6 points from Newcastle and Chelsea away in next 2 games.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've asked him to point me to where Liverpool had the chance to win the game. Instead he's going on about possession and passes lol

So he's typically waffling as usual

 

[MK7Z]

I've asked him to point me to where Liverpool had the chance to win the game. Instead he's going on about possession and passes lol

Me 2. I mean would have been remarkable if we'd hung on with MLS at Left Back. Kiwior at CB with Ben White and Partey our best midfielder this season at RB.

Liverpool should have won if they were a serious team

 

[MK7Z]

Every team will get injuries and suspension, but seems evertime their is adversity with the team, the manager defaults to going to defensive. More often then not, when that happens you ain't to going to win games. You have to find a way to still win games of football like today.

Arsenal are now going to have to somehow get 6 points from Newcastle and Chelsea away in next 2 games.

Ye. That's what I meant when I said when Gabriel went off the game turned out as though we'd gone down to 10 men. I mean Kiwior is pretty useless.

 

[Mamoon]

Martinelli will never be good enough. Called it 2 years ago. He is basically the Brazilian Walcott. He is going to take the wrong decision 9/10 times when he has time to think.

I’m surprised and also disappointed that Arteta hasn’t moved on from him yet.

 

[topspin]

Martinelli will never be good enough. Called it 2 years ago. He is basically the Brazilian Walcott. He is going to take the wrong decision 9/10 times when he has time to think.

I have finally seen the light and credit where due for your foresight.

I’m surprised and also disappointed that Arteta hasn’t moved on from him yet.

The problem is if Martinelli doesn’t start, it’s either going to be Trossard or Sterling.

Martinelli, for now, is the only player we have who has blistering pace. You take him away, it dampens our attacking threat going forward. Also, he’s a great tracking back. We don’t have much choice but to stick with him on the left wing until we can find an upgrade who has his pace but is a better finisher and has a superior footballing brain + composure.

Trossard’s performances on the left wing as a starter pale in comparison to those off the bench.

As for Sterling, well let’s not even go there.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ye. That's what I meant when I said when Gabriel went off the game turned out as though we'd gone down to 10 men. I mean Kiwior is pretty useless.

As soon as we had to make change, I knew we would concede another goal somehow. Also bringing on nwaneri again so late was just reactive and poor, instead of being proactive.

Merino was steady and trossard was poor most of game. Nwaneri again should have been on earlier.

Interesting what team we put out for Preston. As we have lssues defensively. 3 big away games after that cup game.

 

[topspin]

Me 2. I mean would have been remarkable if we'd hung on with MLS at Left Back. Kiwior at CB with Ben White and Partey our best midfielder this season at RB.

Liverpool should have won if they were a serious team

I don’t know if you agree with me on this, but I feel it’s only a matter of time until Liverpool wilt like did at the back end of last season.

If they were serious about winning the title, you have to beaten an Arsenal team without Saliba, Odegaard and had their two reserve CBs for the last 20-30 mins.

The only team that can stop Arsenal winning the title is City and the only team that should concern the fans because they’ve yet to lose a game in the PL this season.

 

[topspin]

As soon as we had to make change, I knew we would concede another goal somehow. Also bringing on nwaneri again so late was just reactive and poor, instead of being proactive.

Merino was steady and trossard was poor most of game. Nwaneri again should have been on earlier.

Interesting what team we put out for Preston. As we have lssues defensively. 3 big away games after that cup game.

Spot on. Trossard should’ve come off for Nwaneri around the hour mark.

Even if you’re setting up the team to go into their shell, why would you leave Trossard on? He has no pace, no physique, no height and he certainly isn’t any good at tracking back and defending. It just made no sense for him to stay on particularly because he was just rubbish, as you’ve highlighted here.

 

[MK7Z]

I don’t know if you agree with me on this, but I feel it’s only a matter of time until Liverpool wilt like did at the back end of last season.

If they were serious about winning the title, you have to beaten an Arsenal team without Saliba, Odegaard and had their two reserve CBs for the last 20-30 mins.

The only team that can stop Arsenal winning the title is City and the only team that should concern the fans because they’ve yet to lose a game in the PL this season.

I think Liverpool are a good side. I don't think they can keep up with City though and being 1 point behind having had the Start Liverpool have had says it all.

We are depleted badly. It's part of the game, everyone gets injuries. The Saliba red last week I knew would really hurt us.

Hopefully big Gabi is OK and Timber was just Fatigue. We get our back 4 stable.

Once odegaard is back I think we will have more control and possession in the games.

Partey can get some rest as he has been a beast this season

5 points is a big gap but there 29 games to go.

 

[Mamoon]

I have finally seen the light and credit where due for your foresight.



The problem is if Martinelli doesn’t start, it’s either going to be Trossard or Sterling.

Martinelli, for now, is the only player we have who has blistering pace. You take him away, it dampens our attacking threat going forward. Also, he’s a great tracking back. We don’t have much choice but to stick with him on the left wing until we can find an upgrade who has his pace but is a better finisher and has a superior footballing brain + composure.

Trossard’s performances on the left wing as a starter pale in comparison to those off the bench.

As for Sterling, well let’s not even go there.

In hindsight, Raphinha choosing Barcelona over Arsenal was a blow. He has been outstanding this season and Arteta would have unlocked his potential as well. Clearly superior than Martinelli.

Martinelli shouldn’t be that difficult to replace. It is more of a case of Arteta having too much faith in him rather than not finding an alternative.

 

[MK7Z]

As soon as we had to make change, I knew we would concede another goal somehow. Also bringing on nwaneri again so late was just reactive and poor, instead of being proactive.

Merino was steady and trossard was poor most of game. Nwaneri again should have been on earlier.

Interesting what team we put out for Preston. As we have lssues defensively. 3 big away games after that cup game.

Hope he doesn't play Saliba in defence. Let me him rest more.


Sterling jesus nwaneri Zinchenko kwior MLS Jorg and just play some kids. Should be enough to beat Preston

 

[Technics 1210]

Moral victory for Arsenal.

Playing at the most intimidating ground in all of England, lead twice, but to walk away with a draw shows how Liverpool were indeed lucky.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Moral victory for Arsenal.

Playing at the most intimidating ground in all of England, lead twice, but to walk away with a draw shows how Liverpool were indeed lucky.

It was at Emirates. Not Enfield lol.

 

[Technics 1210]

It was at Emirates. Not Enfield lol

Hahahahha! Oh my days! For some reason I thought it was at Anfield!

 

[MK7Z]

If Arsenal played Liverpool at Anfield. Liverpool had no VDV. A makeshift right back. They regular right back playing at CB.
They're most creative player not playing.
Then Konate going off being replaced by they're 4th/5th choice CB with over 30 mins to play.

Only for their LB to then get injured and replaced by an 18 year old who has played all his youth football in midfield

I would be unbelievably disappointed that we didn't win the game.

But seems Liverpool fans are OK with a draw at Emirates today.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

If Arsenal played Liverpool at Anfield. Liverpool had no VDV. A makeshift right back. They regular right back playing at CB.
They're most creative player not playing.
Then Konate going off being replaced by they're 4th/5th choice CB with over 30 mins to play.

Only for their LB to then get injured and replaced by an 18 year old who has played all his youth football in midfield

I would be unbelievably disappointed that we didn't win the game.

But seems Liverpool fans are OK with a draw at Emirates today.

Possibly. Scousers did get spanked at Emirates last season, so I presume a draw at Emirates is ok in general

 

[MK7Z]

Possibly. Scousers did get spanked at Emirates last season, so I presume a draw at Emirates is ok in general

In general yes. But I always like to use context.

Liverpool should have won this game and their fans should be disappointed. Don't forget Liverpool were top of the league going into this game as well.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

In general yes. But I always like to use context.

Liverpool should have won this game and their fans should be disappointed. Don't forget Liverpool were top of the league going into this game as well.

Slot does seem a conservative manager compared to klopp. Then again, all you top teams have been pretty conservative, including City.

 

[Amjid Javed]

In general yes. But I always like to use context.

Liverpool should have won this game and their fans should be disappointed. Don't forget Liverpool were top of the league going into this game as well.

- Liverpool were top of the league.
- only Arsenal player who would get into a combined X1 saliba was suspended
- Liverpool had better keeper, defence, midfield and attack
- Arsenal getting a point is one of biggest shocks in PL history, most if not all these Liverpool players would make an all time PL X1 after all the nonsense we heard from Liverpool fans all week.

100% context needed

 

[MK7Z]

Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool: Mikel Arteta is becoming the new Jose Mourinho, suggests Jamie Carragher​

Jamie Carragher has suggested Mikel Arteta is turning into the next Jose Mourinho rather than the new Pep Guardiola.

Arsenal were held to a 2-2 draw by Liverpool on Super Sunday after dominating the first half.

The Gunners, derailed by injuries to Gabriel and Jurrien Timber, were pegged back after the break, with the game following a similar pattern to their draws with Brighton and Manchester City followed by the recent defeat to Bournemouth.

"I'm starting to worry about Arsenal's mentality now," concluded Sky Sports' Roy Keane.

"When they get themselves in front, they sit back, instead of going after the third goal. Liverpool were there for the taking if they wanted it. I just worry about their belief, do they have the belief that they can really challenge Manchester City?"

In mitigation, all of Arsenal's previous setbacks this season have occurred when reduced to 10 players and they played for a large chunk of the second half against Liverpool - who entered the weekend's fixtures top of the table - with a makeshift back four of Thomas Partey, Ben White, Jakub Kiwior and Myles Lewis-Skelly.

"The interesting thing about watching Arsenal, and I have been thinking about this for a long time, because Mikel Arteta worked with Pep Guardiola we have been thinking that he is a Pep Guardiola disciple," Carragher said.

"But if you think about the two most successful managers in the last 15 years then you have Pep Guardiola over here and Jose Mourinho over here.

"Mikel Arteta is slowing morphing into a Jose Mourinho type of manager. Nobody really thought that was going to happen. Today, they retreated in the second half."

Despite making a difficult start to the season, with any momentum curtailed by a spate of injuries and three red cards in nine games, Arsenal remain five points off the summit.

And Carragher believes that Arteta's 'Mourinhoesque' tactics may be deliberate design.

"This is not a criticism, this is an observation of where Arsenal are at as a team. Maybe it is because Arteta has looked at his attacking players and thought 'we're not as good as Manchester City, we have to win the league by being the best team defensively.' And that's what they were last season and possibly still are.

"But this idea that Arsenal play great football and he is a Pep Guardiola man, he is not. Just look at the players going down today, the secrecy before the game about who was fit and who wasn't. It's all out of the Jose Mourinho playbook."

Keane highlighted another hallmark of the Mourinho playbook by singling out Arsenal's players for "rolling around" during games, but said it added to their own sense of anxiety rather than trying to kill the game off at 2-1 up.

Aiming a tongue-in-cheek jibe at Arteta's side, he said: "I really worry for the Arsenal medical team. Every time an Arsenal player's tackled, they're going down, they're rolling around. They're time-wasting.

"They're trying to kill the game, I get it, but you're the home team - use the initiative, you're 2-1 up, the fans are behind you. The fans were trying their best to get them over the line."

Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool: Mikel Arteta is becoming the new Jose Mourinho, suggests Jamie Carragher

Roy Keane says he is worried about Arsenals mentality while Jamie Carragher concludes Mikel Arteta is slowing morphing into a Jose Mourinho type of manager

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Carragher trying his best not to be salty as usual. Pool fans love a whinge or making odd statements like the fans on here.

Lets add some context to what he said. Arsenal have scored the same amount of goals that Liverpool have in the PL this season against arguably tougher opponents. SO is slot Jose to?

I dont agree with Arteta going defensive in certain games but sometimes its needed, especially against city. Brighton and Bournemouth we should have been more brave yes. But all these games we were down to 10 men.

Yesterday we went into our shell, I think we showed Liverpool to much respect but again even though I don't agree with our approach I get that the back 4 was make shift and it could have gotten really bad had we been brave.

I think we can play more expressive once we are at full strength and I fully expect us to. But I think its a positive that we can dig in and be solid when needed. This is very important in tournament football so may help us in the UCL.

 

[IMMY69]

Carragher trying his best not to be salty as usual. Pool fans love a whinge or making odd statements like the fans on here.

Lets add some context to what he said. Arsenal have scored the same amount of goals that Liverpool have in the PL this season against arguably tougher opponents. SO is slot Jose to?

I dont agree with Arteta going defensive in certain games but sometimes its needed, especially against city. Brighton and Bournemouth we should have been more brave yes. But all these games we were down to 10 men.

Yesterday we went into our shell, I think we showed Liverpool to much respect but again even though I don't agree with our approach I get that the back 4 was make shift and it could have gotten really bad had we been brave.

I think we can play more expressive once we are at full strength and I fully expect us to. But I think its a positive that we can dig in and be solid when needed. This is very important in tournament football so may help us in the UCL.

I would add that their second goal was actually due to us being brave and getting caught upfield.

As you say the stats just don't back up Carra.

 

[MK7Z]

Coming 2nd is coming last , when all
Set & done in sport .

Klopps time at Liverpool

2015-16. runner up League Cup and Runner up Europa League - your theory Loser x 2

2017-18 Runner up UCL. Loser again?

2018-19 2nd in PL Runner up loser again?

2021-22 - Runner up again in Pl and Runner up in UCL - loser x2 again?

When you deep it and take your own views in to account, although he won it all he was actually a loser ( or came last) most seasons?

As it is said, the runner-up is the first loser of the tournament.

Klopp is number 1 loser then?

 

[MK7Z]

I would add that their second goal was actually due to us being brave and getting caught upfield.

As you say the stats just don't back up Carra.

Is why as much as they are ridiculed, fan channels and Podcasts are getting more access to club press conferences as their actual knowledge and views of the game surpasses the lazy statements of biased ex player pundits.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Klopps time at Liverpool

2015-16. runner up League Cup and Runner up Europa League - your theory Loser x 2

2017-18 Runner up UCL. Loser again?

2018-19 2nd in PL Runner up loser again?

2021-22 - Runner up again in Pl and Runner up in UCL - loser x2 again?

When you deep it and take your own views in to account, although he won it all he was actually a loser ( or came last) most seasons?

Klopp is number 1 loser then?

Have some shame bro, Liverpool have won everything in the last 5/6 years. Arteta has 5 years and a FA cup/Charity sheild double. Of course runner up is not a winner, you've lost the cup. Sure still a great achievement 3 finals in a few years. You'd be jumping up and down for a whole day if Areta comes close to Klopps success.


Its better for Arsenal fans to worry about their squad, looks as thin as a biscuit. Some big games coming up. You have an away match and 3 days later away to Chelsea, who are playing well.

Arsenals title challenge could be over before December. Liverpool , same goes for them.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Carragher trying his best not to be salty as usual. Pool fans love a whinge or making odd statements like the fans on here.

Lets add some context to what he said. Arsenal have scored the same amount of goals that Liverpool have in the PL this season against arguably tougher opponents. SO is slot Jose to?

I dont agree with Arteta going defensive in certain games but sometimes its needed, especially against city. Brighton and Bournemouth we should have been more brave yes. But all these games we were down to 10 men.

Yesterday we went into our shell, I think we showed Liverpool to much respect but again even though I don't agree with our approach I get that the back 4 was make shift and it could have gotten really bad had we been brave.

I think we can play more expressive once we are at full strength and I fully expect us to. But I think its a positive that we can dig in and be solid when needed. This is very important in tournament football so may help us in the UCL.

100% agree Only Game where we went down to ten men where we should have gone defensive was the city game.

Even with 10 men if we had set up correctly vs Brighton and Bournemouth we could have won both and were more than capable of doing so. Instead we pretty much went to low block mode. At Sametime no one is saying, do what spurs did vs chelsea when they had men sent off and went into suicidal mode. Arsenal could have played both games mentioned a lot smarter tactically then they did.

Atalanta in CL, was another game where we really did show any impetus to try and win the game.

We have a so called complete squad now according to some parts of the fan base in the summer (not you). So only being expressive when at full strength, is going to mean we ain't going to win anything. Yes you have to adapt when players are out, but essentially the managers job is to get best out of his squad including when so called adversity comes around. We were lucky last season we didn't get to many key injuries for long periods. More games these season, plus euros in summer just gone its no shock players are picking up more knocks. Whilst we get through this period of missing players, the managers going to have to start showing trust in more of his squad, if he doesn't same mistakes will be exposed as last 4 seasons.

Newcastle have been hit and miss this season, but its always a tough and stop / start game at St James. So we will have to be smarter braver to win that game.

Chelsea away. We are unbeaten in last 4 so we have a good record. They have improved massively under Maresca and we can't play like we did for 1st 70 minutes their last season as we will get hammered.

Another big week Newcastle, inter, Chelsea all away. We will have to do as well as we did when we has spurs, Atlanta and City in a week.

Newcastle (away) is actually Arsenal's last away game in the PL outside of London this calender year. After that is 5 London Derby away trips to come.

 

[MK7Z]

Have some shame bro, Liverpool have won everything in the last 5/6 years. Arteta has 5 years and a FA cup/Charity sheild double. Of course runner up is not a winner, you've lost the cup. Sure still a great achievement 3 finals in a few years. You'd be jumping up and down for a whole day if Areta comes close to Klopps success.


Its better for Arsenal fans to worry about their squad, looks as thin as a biscuit. Some big games coming up. You have an away match and 3 days later away to Chelsea, who are playing well.

Arsenals title challenge could be over before December. Liverpool , same goes for them.

Have some shame he says. After all the statements you have come out with recently.

Why you mentioning Arsenal and Arteta for. I was only mentioning your own post where you referenced coming 2nd as being the first loser and asked the question, with Klopps record of being runner up so many times. Then is he a loser to?

So when Klopp is concerned its a great achievement to be in finals but not win them?

Ok bro keep going and diverting when your own statements are questioned.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Have some shame he says. After all the statements you have come out with recently.

Why you mentioning Arsenal and Arteta for. I was only mentioning your own post where you referenced coming 2nd as being the first loser and asked the question, with Klopps record of being runner up so many times. Then is he a loser to?

So when Klopp is concerned its a great achievement to be in finals but not win them?

Ok bro keep going and diverting when your own statements are questioned.

Damn @KingKhanWC you have just be slapped with the truth 🖐

 

[MK7Z]

Damn @KingKhanWC you have just be slapped with the truth 🖐

I come in peace

 

[KingKhanWC]

Damn @KingKhanWC you have just be slapped with the truth 🖐

You all are fighting for top 4 now.

 

[MK7Z]

You all are fighting for top 4 now.

are you in a title race?

 

[KingKhanWC]

are you in a title race?

No City will walk this.

4/5 team will fight for top 4 inc Arsenal. This is reality.

 

[MK7Z]

No City will walk this.

4/5 team will fight for top 4 inc Arsenal. This is reality.

We'll see

 

[KingKhanWC]

We'll see

I'd wait and see away to Chelsea. You only have a 3 day gap between two away games. Chelsea are flying atm. A loss against them and even you will surely accept its only a top 4 race now. I hope im wrong and we both are there at the end but thats a fantasy more than realiy - ie truth

 

[MK7Z]

I'd wait and see away to Chelsea. You only have a 3 day gap between two away games. Chelsea are flying atm. A loss against them and even you will surely accept its only a top 4 race now. I hope im wrong and we both are there at the end but thats a fantasy more than realiy - ie truth

We'll see

 

[Amjid Javed]

I would add that their second goal was actually due to us being brave and getting caught upfield.

As you say the stats just don't back up Carra.

It was poor defending and just a routine ball over the top, positional awareness of the CBs was poor. Their was no awareness that their was a free man on liverpools right handside, the half attempt to clear / try and head it and get nowhere near it made it worse. We almost got caught out with another long 2 minutes later as well.

Having just watched it back even on 1st goal, Martinelli and havertz don't do their jobs on near post and partey then switches off vs VVD.

This is what was most annoying the fact we gave 2 such cheap and poor goals away.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We'll see

You’ve seen it before , 5 years


@aboveandbeyond @Mamoon

Patrice Evra “watching Arsenal is like watching Netflix, you always wait for the next season “

 

[Mamoon]

You’ve seen it before , 5 years


@aboveandbeyond @Mamoon

Patrice Evra “watching Arsenal is like watching Netflix, you always wait for the next season “

And watching Liverpool try to win the league for 30 years was like?

 

[Mamoon]

In the last year so the following players/managers have rejected Liverpool:

Bellingham, Caicedo, Lavia, Alonso, Amorim
You’ll Never Get Rejected Alone

 

[aboveandbeyond]

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

Ruben Amorim: Manchester United in talks with Sporting over appointing 39-year-old as new boss

Man Utd approach Sporting over appointing head coach Ruben Amorim as their new boss; talks ongoing over making the 39-year-old Erik ten Hags successor after Dutchman sacked; United would need to pay Amorims release clause and it it is understood they are prepared to do that

www.skysports.com

 

[Mamoon]

Looks like United have zero faith in RVN’s coaching abilities. They don’t want to give him a shot in spite of his prior experience as PSV manager.

It is difficult to see him staying at the club for long.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Looks like United have zero faith in RVN’s coaching abilities. They don’t want to give him a shot in spite of his prior experience as PSV manager.

It is difficult to see him staying at the club for long.

He should stay. And ride the waves of emotions and be part of a coaching set up to bring UTD back to the pinnacle.

 

[Mamoon]

The reality is that this season is shaping up to be a tragedy. I firmly believe that this should have been Arsenal’s season because when everyone is fit and it is a level playing field, there is no doubt that Arsenal are the best team in the league.

However, bad luck with injuries and the in incompetence of PGMOL have ruined the season for Arsenal. Also, the fact that City have the easiest run in possible (look at their fixtures from March onwards) doesn’t help.

They will have to drop points in December-February period and Arsenal will have to be perfect which is highly unlikely due to fixture congestion. I don’t care about Liverpool because I don’t see them as a genuine contender. They have benefited from a very easy start to the season and still lost at home to Forest.

It is essentially a two horse race between City and Arsenal as usual but Arsenal have a lot of ground to cover.

If this season proves to be a disappointment, so be it. You move again next summer and improve things such as upgrading on Martinelli among others things.

Also, it will be very crucial to keep Saliba from the clutches of Madrid who will probably come out all guns blazing for him this summer.

They badly need a new defender next summer and they have already started tapping him. It is clear that Perez wants Saliba and Trent to replace the mediocre Militao and the washed Carvajal.

Still long way to go but in my opinion, it is not looking good. Another second placed finish is on the cards and it is not bad but it does hurt because this was supposed to be Arsenal’s season.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

The reality is that this season is shaping up to be a tragedy. I firmly believe that this should have been Arsenal’s season because when everyone is fit and it is a level playing field, there is no doubt that Arsenal are the best team in the league.

However, bad luck with injuries and the in incompetence of PGMOL have ruined the season for Arsenal. Also, the fact that City have the easiest run in possible (look at their fixtures from March onwards) doesn’t help.

They will have to drop points in December-February period and Arsenal will have to be perfect which is highly unlikely due to fixture congestion. I don’t care about Liverpool because I don’t see them as a genuine contender. They have benefited from a very easy start to the season and still lost at home to Forest.

It is essentially a two horse race between City and Arsenal as usual but Arsenal have a lot of ground to cover.

If this season proves to be a disappointment, so be it. You move again next summer and improve things such as upgrading on Martinelli among others things.

Also, it will be very crucial to keep Saliba from the clutches of Madrid who will probably come out all guns blazing for him this summer.

They badly need a new defender next summer and they have already started tapping him. It is clear that Perez wants Saliba and Trent to replace the mediocre Militao and the washed Carvajal.

Still long way to go but in my opinion, it is not looking good. Another second placed finish is on the cards and it is not bad but it does hurt because this was supposed to be Arsenal’s season.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Your not even a third in to the season and the white flag already coming out?

Injuries are part and parcel of the game.
Utd have had major injury issues in the last season and half ,no complaints coming from me

 

[Mamoon]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Your not even a third in to the season and the white flag already coming out?

Injuries are part and parcel of the game.
Utd have had major injury issues in the last season and half ,no complaints coming from me

You are not remotely good enough to compete for the title, so what will you complain about?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

You are not remotely good enough to compete for the title, so what will you complain about?

Even if We were, I won't be giving up after 10 games. That is a shocking mentality in which I'm sure PROPER Gooners will not accept.

 

[Mamoon]

Even if We were, I won't be giving up after 10 games. That is a shocking mentality in which I'm sure PROPER Gooners will not accept.

I have already made it clear that a fully fit Arsenal in a level playing field (no referring incompetence) is the best team in the league. However, there are circumstances that you cannot control.

Injuries and pathetic refereeing is killing Arsenal’s season.

 

[MK7Z]

Still a long time to go. I still expect City to win the League as they have the best SQUAD and best manager however I expect us to fight until the end and you never know. I have not given up

I think we have had bad luck with injuries etc but its part of the game. It seems to be levelling off from last season when we didn't really suffer as much with injuries.

It comes back to neglect in the transfer window. We have no backup for Odegaard. If Havertz gets injured who do you trust to play up top? 2 key positions we have no adequate back up for.

I will say I did not think we would suffer in defence with the options we have but for various reasons even our defence looks weak with the options still standing. Once fit i think we will be more stable with different options.

Then there is the issues of the referee's. Yes we have had some weird decisions go against us, we just have to hope the same incompetence affects City at some point.

 

[Mamoon]

The two useless Brazilian forward are seriously becoming a problem. Complete waste of space. The attack will have a completely new dimension when these two are replaced by proper forwards.

This should be the number priority for next summer. It should have been addressed in the previous summer though. It has been clear for a long time that Jesus is finished and Martinelli has reached his ceiling.

 

[MK7Z]

This should be the number priority for next summer. It should have been addressed in the previous summer though. It has been clear for a long time that Jesus is finished and Martinelli has reached his ceiling.

What do you put it down to that it was not addressed this summer when it was clear its what was required?

 

[Amjid Javed]

So Arteta was going two won 2 PL titles in next 3 years - this wild claim made in December last year. Now already the white flag of surrender being waived and excuses being made.

If your the so called best young manager in Europe, also the supposed guy that man city and other clubs are lining up etc.. then why the excuses all of sudden.

I said during summer the squad and squad management would be exposed. But supposedly its a toxic agenda.

Funny how white flag of surrender has come out early, guess the pass their sell by date fireworks can stay in the box

 

[KingKhanWC]

And watching Liverpool try to win the league for 30 years was like?

How many years has it been for arsenal?

We won everything recently, Areta after 5 years sweet fa.

You're not winning the league this year. Learn the game and stop crying like your fellow fans.

 

[Amjid Javed]

What do you put it down to that it was not addressed this summer when it was clear its what was required?

It wasn't addressed because everyone at club got over excited by havertz little golden patch vs teams in bottom half of league.

On top of that Arteta still trusting Jesus to much. Seems likes he's seen sense with Zinchenko

No excuses can be made on the poor recruitment. Because same people crying now were gassing up Arteta and edu like they were wenger and David Dein

 

[Mamoon]

How many years has it been for arsenal?

We won everything recently, Areta after 5 years sweet fa.

You're not winning the league this year. Learn the game and stop crying like your fellow fans.

Learn the game from people like you? No thanks. I would rather be ignorant than learn from people like you.