Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[KingKhanWC]

I hope Isak enjoyed playing at the Emirates, this should be his home.

The legendary #14 is vacant and waiting for Isak at the Emirates. There were shades of Henry in his game yesterday.

Would love to see him play as LWF replacing Martinelli and linking up with Saka, Odegaard and Havertz.

Isak has outgrown Newcastle. At 25, he needs to join a club like Arsenal where he can compete for the title over the next 5 years.

Has Isak shown any interest in leaving and any in wanting to move to Arsenal?

Newcastle is on the way up, Im not sure he'd leave for Arsenal. Besides Arteta is very content with the squad he has, numerous occasions he has stated this. He is currently at the doctors with Havertz to check if his shoulder is ok.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I hope Isak enjoyed playing at the Emirates, this should be his home.

The legendary #14 is vacant and waiting for Isak at the Emirates. There were shades of Henry in his game yesterday.

Would love to see him play as LWF replacing Martinelli and linking up with Saka, Odegaard and Havertz.

Isak has outgrown Newcastle. At 25, he needs to join a club like Arsenal where he can compete for the title over the next 5 years.

You can't afford him

If he left us, why would he join someone that is likely to stifle him and want him to be a threat on corners?

If we can offer him European football next season I don't think he asks to leave, if we can't then he goes to a team that has a history of winning

 

[Amjid Javed]

Its embarrassing, after every poor result Arteta feels his team played well, were the better team etc but something out of Dr Who was the cause of the final result.

Reality is Arteta cannot say he has failed to buy goalscoring attackers. I have a feeling he has gone to the board to ask for a striker but they reminded him he was backed to buy a forward and he chose Havertz. Id be very surprised if Arsenal buy a top forward this month.

Arteta should apply to be Pakistan cricket coach. His micro managing and level of incompetence would fit right in there.

 

[Amjid Javed]

All this fuss made by this fan base about oddegard being injured, he's world class, wait till he's back

2 assists and God know how many games he's gone missing in

But but you have an agenda

But but you hate oddegard



Reality setting in now is it guys?

 

[Amjid Javed]

You can't afford him

If he left us, why would he join someone that is likely to stifle him and want him to be a threat on corners?

If we can offer him European football next season I don't think he asks to leave, if we can't then he goes to a team that has a history of winning

100% spot on, we don't always agree.

But you 100% spot on

Arteta would turn isak into a left wingback or CB if he was at Arsenal

 

[KingKhanWC]

You can't afford him

If he left us, why would he join someone that is likely to stifle him and want him to be a threat on corners?

If we can offer him European football next season I don't think he asks to leave, if we can't then he goes to a team that has a history of winning

I believe he has a release cause of over £85m and contracted until 2028. His game has improved so much under Howe, esp off the ball and winning the ball back, a real menace.

 

[MK7Z]

Time is ticking for Arteta. Its evident with the atmosphere at the emirates.

Play safety 1st football and dont sign attackers. What do you expect.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I believe he has a release cause of over £85m and contracted until 2028. His game has improved so much under Howe, esp off the ball and winning the ball back, a real menace.

There is no release clause, his contract is until summer 2028 so 3.5 years left so we hold all the cards

 

[Amjid Javed]

@MK7Z @aboveandbeyond @IMMY69 @shaz619 @topspin @KingKhanWC

Anyone know why world class Havertz didn't play last night?

Arsenal only need a back up to havertz

Hehe here waka waka

65M down the drain

Arteta will unlock havertz he was misused at Chelsea

 

[MK7Z]

@MK7Z @aboveandbeyond @IMMY69 @shaz619 @topspin @KingKhanWC

Anyone know why world class Havertz didn't play last night?

Arsenal only need a back up to havertz

Hehe here waka waka

65M down the drain

Arteta will unlock havertz he was misused at Chelsea

He did play. He created space for all our other attackers by vacating his space by not being there.

 

[Mamoon]

Has Isak shown any interest in leaving and any in wanting to move to Arsenal?

Newcastle is on the way up, Im not sure he'd leave for Arsenal. Besides Arteta is very content with the squad he has, numerous occasions he has stated this. He is currently at the doctors with Havertz to check if his shoulder is ok.

You can't afford him

If he left us, why would he join someone that is likely to stifle him and want him to be a threat on corners?

If we can offer him European football next season I don't think he asks to leave, if we can't then he goes to a team that has a history of winning

I beg to differ. Isak will cost around £100m and Arsenal can easily afford that kind of money. Arsenal spent £105m on a DM when they wanted to.

If you look around Europe and shortlist the clubs who can pay that kind of money and will also be looking to sign a striker this summer, the list isn’t long at all which means Arsenal are heavy favorites to sign him if they really push for it in the summer.

Furthermore, as far as playing style is concerned, we have to understand that Arteta is playing this way because he doesn’t have a forward who can score 25+ goals.

He played differently when he had a prolific striker like Aubameyang who scored lots of goals. If Arteta lands Isak, he will tweak the way he plays and Isak will get plenty of goal scoring opportunities. A lot more than he does at Newcastle.

As far as why he will leave Newcastle for Arsenal, well it is a clear step up in his career. Newcastle is not a position to compete for the league and is unlikely to be during the prime years of Isak.

As far as European football is concerned, that is not enough. There is no point in offering European football to the likes of Isak when Newcastle will be whipping boys in the UCL and fighting for top 4/5 in the PL.

Newcastle today is where Arsenal was during the last 10 years of Wenger and the 1.5 years of Emery. Arsenal under Arteta is clearly a step up from that level.

Isak to Arsenal this summer makes sense for all parties. Arsenal get to sign a highly talented young forward who is about to enter his prime, Isak gets to sign for a club that is competing to win the league and Newcastle make a good £35-40m profit on Isak and can reinvest that money to sign 2-3 good players and maintain their current level.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Time is ticking for Arteta. Its evident with the atmosphere at the emirates.

Play safety 1st football and dont sign attackers. What do you expect.

United (H)
Spurs (H)
Villa (H)

Arsenal lose any of these next 3 the humiliation will only be even worse

 

[Amjid Javed]

He did play. He created space for all our other attackers by vacating his space by not being there.

Anyone got the stats for how much space he created

 

[Amjid Javed]

so Newcastle would be whipping boys in Europe

This from a whose beloved manager has had his pants taken down in Europe by Olympiakos, villareal and sporting Lisbon

But but Arteta will play different if he had a 25 goal season striker

Same Arteta that turned aubameyung (who was scoring as same rate as salah at one point) into a left wingback

Absolute this yet another one of your clueless gems

 

[MK7Z]

He has 18 league games and however many cup/UCL games to save himself for what will be probably be his last 6 months into next season if this continues .... If we end up empty handed and strikerless I don't see him being manager next Xmas.

I want him to be here next season cos that would mean we have won something. When I say win something i mean a biggie.

Issue a lot of fans have is we don't even play enjoyable football anymore. Its one thing playing a reserved way and winning titles. I am all for it I couldn't care less. But playing diabolical football and being empty handed is unacceptable.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I beg to differ. Isak will cost around £100m and Arsenal can easily afford that kind of money. Arsenal spent £105m on a DM when they wanted to.

If you look around Europe and shortlist the clubs who can pay that kind of money and will also be looking to sign a striker this summer, the list isn’t long at all which means Arsenal are heavy favorites to sign him if they really push for it in the summer.

Furthermore, as far as playing style is concerned, we have to understand that Arteta is playing this way because he doesn’t have a forward who can score 25+ goals.

He played differently when he had a prolific striker like Aubameyang who scored lots of goals. If Arteta lands Isak, he will tweak the way he plays and Isak will get plenty of goal scoring opportunities. A lot more than he does at Newcastle.

As far as why he will leave Newcastle for Arsenal, well it is a clear step up in his career. Newcastle is not a position to compete for the league and is unlikely to be during the prime years of Isak.

As far as European football is concerned, that is not enough. There is no point in offering European football to the likes of Isak when Newcastle will be whipping boys in the UCL and fighting for top 4/5 in the PL.

Newcastle today is where Arsenal was during the last 10 years of Wenger and the 1.5 years of Emery. Arsenal under Arteta is clearly a step up from that level.

Isak to Arsenal this summer makes sense for all parties. Arsenal get to sign a highly talented young forward who is about to enter his prime, Isak gets to sign for a club that is competing to win the league and Newcastle make a good £35-40m profit on Isak and can reinvest that money to sign 2-3 good players and maintain their current level.

I agree it makes sense for Arsenal. As I stated previously there are so many clubs in the PL which have superiour attackers to Arsenal, I'd say at least 10!

Im not sure Arsenal will spend over 100m again so soon. There will be a lot of interest from other clubs too, he has never stated he wants only Arsenal.

 

[MK7Z]

I agree it makes sense for Arsenal. As I stated previously there are so many clubs in the PL which have superiour attackers to Arsenal, I'd say at least 10!

This is a fair point - for the interest of discussion i'd like to hear which 10 teams have better attackers. So players who you think are better than Saka, Martinelli, Jesus, Havertz and Trossard as those are our attacking options.

I find it hard to believe 10 teams have better attackers than us. If you meant striker then ok you might have a point but i'd like to hear them.

Issue we have is apart from the obvious strikers in the league and the ones doing well this season is would they actually take us to a league title. Not saying improve us. Take us to a league title. There is a difference. Isak is the only one I can think of who we MIGHT be able to get.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I beg to differ. Isak will cost around £100m and Arsenal can easily afford that kind of money. Arsenal spent £105m on a DM when they wanted to.

If you look around Europe and shortlist the clubs who can pay that kind of money and will also be looking to sign a striker this summer, the list isn’t long at all which means Arsenal are heavy favorites to sign him if they really push for it in the summer.

Furthermore, as far as playing style is concerned, we have to understand that Arteta is playing this way because he doesn’t have a forward who can score 25+ goals.

He played differently when he had a prolific striker like Aubameyang who scored lots of goals. If Arteta lands Isak, he will tweak the way he plays and Isak will get plenty of goal scoring opportunities. A lot more than he does at Newcastle.

As far as why he will leave Newcastle for Arsenal, well it is a clear step up in his career. Newcastle is not a position to compete for the league and is unlikely to be during the prime years of Isak.

As far as European football is concerned, that is not enough. There is no point in offering European football to the likes of Isak when Newcastle will be whipping boys in the UCL and fighting for top 4/5 in the PL.

Newcastle today is where Arsenal was during the last 10 years of Wenger and the 1.5 years of Emery. Arsenal under Arteta is clearly a step up from that level.

Isak to Arsenal this summer makes sense for all parties. Arsenal get to sign a highly talented young forward who is about to enter his prime, Isak gets to sign for a club that is competing to win the league and Newcastle make a good £35-40m profit on Isak and can reinvest that money to sign 2-3 good players and maintain their current level.

£100m does not get you Isak

You've just explained how Rice cost you £105m

So how would a proven goalscorer, who is arguably top 3 in the world in his position, still with 3.5 years left on his contract, not given any indication he wants to leave end up costing less than him?

Your chance for signing Isak would have been when we signed him but you didn't take that chance on him and now it would cost more than you'd be able/prepared to pay

 

[Amjid Javed]

He has 18 league games and however many cup/UCL games to save himself for what will be probably be his last 6 months into next season if this continues .... If we end up empty handed and strikerless I don't see him being manager next Xmas.

I want him to be here next season cos that would mean we have won something. When I say win something i mean a biggie.

Issue a lot of fans have is we don't even play enjoyable football anymore. Its one thing playing a reserved way and winning titles. I am all for it I couldn't care less. But playing diabolical football and being empty handed is unacceptable.

As long as Arsenal make top 4, he will still be here next season.

He ain't getting anywhere near 15M a year elsewhere, the kronkes have paid him that under provisions that he gets CL football and acts as the shield from criticism

This club will never change

 

[Amjid Javed]

£100m does not get you Isak

You've just explained how Rice cost you £105m

So how would a proven goalscorer, who is arguably top 3 in the world in his position, still with 3.5 years left on his contract, not given any indication he wants to leave end up costing less than him?

Your chance for signing Isak would have been when we signed him but you didn't take that chance on him and now it would cost more than you'd be able/prepared to pay

You forgot about that knock and pull.

Isak will hand in a transfer request and move.

This is the delusional world most Arsenal fans live in.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is a fair point - for the interest of discussion i'd like to hear which 10 teams have better attackers. So players who you think are better than Saka, Martinelli, Jesus, Havertz and Trossard as those are our attacking options.

I find it hard to believe 10 teams have better attackers than us. If you meant striker then ok you might have a point but i'd like to hear them.

Issue we have is apart from the obvious strikers in the league and the ones doing well this season is would they actually take us to a league title. Not saying improve us. Take us to a league title. There is a difference. Isak is the only one I can think of who we MIGHT be able to get.

I agree someone like Isak would be ideal, you need a striker who can get into the box at any given occasion when the ball is played into the area. Arsenal are actually very good at putting in crosses but most occasions there is nobody there to put the ball in the net. Jota would be another one who would be ideal but hes not leaving .

I should have been more clear, I was talking of strikers in regards to Isak and Arsenal lack of. As for this season, the below teams IMO have better strikers. I think the below teams all have better goalscorers than Jesus and Havertz, most Arsenal fans wont agree though lol.

Notts F
Spurs
LFC
City
Newcastle
Fulham
Villa
Palace
Chelsea
Bournmouth

 

[Mamoon]

£100m does not get you Isak

You've just explained how Rice cost you £105m

So how would a proven goalscorer, who is arguably top 3 in the world in his position, still with 3.5 years left on his contract, not given any indication he wants to leave end up costing less than him?

Your chance for signing Isak would have been when we signed him but you didn't take that chance on him and now it would cost more than you'd be able/prepared to pay

Firstly, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Isak is not arguably top 3 in the world by any means. He is very good but let’s not overhype him now. He has the potential to be in the future, but as of today, he is not.

Secondly, Isak’s estimated transfer fee of around £100m is based on the assumption that he will ask to leave in the summer.

If he lacks ambition and doesn’t want to move to a club where he is competing for the league and not looking at European qualification as an achievement, good for Newcastle.

In that situation, they can put a £300m price tag on him if they want to, it is their call. However, if Isak really wants to progress in his career and fight for something meaningful, he needs to leave Newcastle in the summer.

A fee of around £100m for a player who would want to leave is a very fair price. His contract expires in 2028, so Newcastle can force him to stay until 2026-2027, but then they risk selling him for below his valuation.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Firstly, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Isak is not arguably top 3 in the world by any means. He is very good but let’s not overhype him now. He has the potential to be in the future, but as of today, he is not.

Secondly, Isak’s estimated transfer fee of around £100m is based on the assumption that he will ask to leave in the summer.

If he lacks ambition and doesn’t want to move to a club where he is competing for the league and not looking at European qualification as an achievement, good for Newcastle.

In that situation, they can put a £300m price tag on him if they want to, it is their call. However, if Isak really wants to progress in his career and fight for something meaningful, he needs to leave Newcastle in the summer.

A fee of around £100m for a player who would want to leave is a very fair price. His contract expires in 2028, so Newcastle can force him to stay until 2026-2027, but then they risk selling him for below his valuation.

Declan Rice wanted to leave yet you paid £105m for him

You are assuming Isak will kick up a big fuss, that's a huge assumption to make. He can ask to leave and we'll ask for an amount that reflects his talent/ability

You are absolutely deluded if you think you can get him for £100m

The fact your fans are desperate for your club to sign him indicates he is amongst the best in his position, if he's not then why don't you go and get those that are better?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Declan Rice wanted to leave yet you paid £105m for him

You are assuming Isak will kick up a big fuss, that's a huge assumption to make. He can ask to leave and we'll ask for an amount that reflects his talent/ability

You are absolutely deluded if you think you can get him for £100m

The fact your fans are desperate for your club to sign him indicates he is amongst the best in his position, if he's not then why don't you go and get those that are better?

You having a conversation with a someone who thinks havertz and Odegaard are workd class and Arteta is greatest history of the game.

 

[MK7Z]

I agree someone like Isak would be ideal, you need a striker who can get into the box at any given occasion when the ball is played into the area. Arsenal are actually very good at putting in crosses but most occasions there is nobody there to put the ball in the net. Jota would be another one who would be ideal but hes not leaving .

I should have been more clear, I was talking of strikers in regards to Isak and Arsenal lack of. As for this season, the below teams IMO have better strikers. I think the below teams all have better goalscorers than Jesus and Havertz, most Arsenal fans wont agree though lol.

Notts F
Spurs
LFC
City
Newcastle
Fulham
Villa
Palace
Chelsea
Bournmouth

Whether Arsenal fans agree or disagree shouldn't matter. Like I said all the strikers in that list probably better than ours. I mean we dont have a striker so you could argue all other 19 teams have better than us.

Actually your list missed out Cunha for Wolves, Mbeumo and Wissa for Brentford. Jao Pedro for Brighton. Liam Delap for Ipswich Jamie Vardy for Leicester.

Apart from Isak and Watkins I dont think any of the other strikers for the above teams wins us the league (except obvs Haaland)

 

[aboveandbeyond]

You having a conversation with someone who thinks havertz and Odegaard are workd class and Arteta is greatest history of the game.

Odegaard and Sakah are quality performers who have proven time and time again

The problem lies with the Players around them, are they up to the standard required to challenge and win trophies?

I'm not sure they are.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Odegaard and Sakah are quality performers who have proven time and time again

The problem lies with the Players around them, are they up to the standard required to challenge and win trophies?

I'm not sure they are.

Saka has performed every season. Oddegard has good patches, then dissapears when it matters the most.

 

[Mamoon]

Declan Rice wanted to leave yet you paid £105m for him

You are assuming Isak will kick up a big fuss, that's a huge assumption to make. He can ask to leave and we'll ask for an amount that reflects his talent/ability

You are absolutely deluded if you think you can get him for £100m

The fact your fans are desperate for your club to sign him indicates he is amongst the best in his position, if he's not then why don't you go and get those that are better?

The ones that are better (Haaland, Kane, Mbappe, Gykores etc.) are unattainable except Gyokeres, so for Arsenal it is either him or Isak as the two realistic options.

Gyokeres is a far better striker than Isak but for Arsenal, Isak is more suitable because he can play on the left as well, which means he can partner Havertz.

The other alternative is Marmoush who is really good as well and fits the profile but he seems City bound.

You are kidding yourself if you think you can sell Isak for £150m+ if he asks to leave. That is not going to happen. Newcastle will do a deal for far less than that if he asks to leave.

The Rice situation was different. Arsenal overpaid for him because he never pressurized West Ham to sell him out of respect for what is essentially his boyhood club. Had Rice kicked up a fuss, West Ham would have been forced to settle for a significantly lesser amount.

Isak has no such loyalties towards Newcastle. He is not a homegrown player and if he thinks Arsenal is the right move for him and Newcastle are being rigid, he will make like difficult for the club.

 

[MK7Z]

The ones that are better (Haaland, Kane, Mbappe, Gykores etc.) are unattainable except Gyokeres, so for Arsenal it is either him or Isak as the two realistic options.

Gyokeres is a far better striker than Isak but for Arsenal, Isak is more suitable because he can play on the left as well, which means he can partner Havertz.

The other alternative is Marmoush who is really good as well and fits the profile but he seems City bound.

You are kidding yourself if you think you can sell Isak for £150m+ if he asks to leave. That is not going to happen. Newcastle will do a deal for far less than that if he asks to leave.

The Rice situation was different. Arsenal overpaid for him because he never pressurized West Ham to sell him out of respect for what is essentially his boyhood club. Had Rice kicked up a fuss, West Ham would have been forced to settle for a significantly lesser amount.

Isak has no such loyalties towards Newcastle. He is not a homegrown player and if he thinks Arsenal is the right move for him and Newcastle are being rigid, he will make like difficult for the club.

Partner Havertz?!!! I'm sorry bro every one is entitled to their opinion so I'm going to refrain from getting into a discussion about this.

Havertz was signed as a midfielder. That should tell you everything.

 

[Mamoon]

Partner Havertz?!!! I'm sorry bro every one is entitled to their opinion so I'm going to refrain from getting into a discussion about this.

Havertz was signed as a midfielder. That should tell you everything.

Havertz brings a lot of value to the team. He works hard, drops deep, wins headers in both boxes.

Yes he is not a prolific scorer but he is not a liability like Martinelli by any means. Not everyone is meant to be a 25+ goals player.

Like Bobby Firmino at Liverpool, Havertz will truly shine when he is paired with goal scoring wide forward.

Isak or Marmoush on the LW and Havertz as CF can work really really well. If I was appointed Sporting Director, I would be looking at such profiles to replace Martinelli and keep Havertz in the team.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Havertz brings a lot of value to the team. He works hard, drops deep, wins headers in both boxes.

Yes he is not a prolific scorer but he is not a liability like Martinelli by any means. Not everyone is meant to be a 25+ goals player.

Like Bobby Firmino at Liverpool, Havertz will truly shine when he is paired with goal scoring wide forward.

Isak or Marmoush on the LW and Havertz as CF can work really really well. If I was appointed Sporting Director, I would be looking at such profiles to replace Martinelli and keep Havertz in the team.

You Seriously haven't a clue Pal.

Havertz inability as a makeshift centerforward has now drawn the attention to the Germany coach Nagelsmann.

And for that reason Havertz was utilized as the CAM whilst Tim kleindheinst was deployed as the center forward.

Unless you sign a proven centerforward, Havertz is certainly not the answer there.
Even though he has qualities in different positions . And i agree with bro @MK7Z, Havertz was signed as a midfielder.

Maybe he should rotate with Odegaard as that is his best position .

 

[Amjid Javed]

football expert is now comparing flat track bully havertz to firmino

65M 300K a week

But but he's world class

Yet more clueless

 

[Amjid Javed]

You Seriously haven't a clue Pal.

Havertz inability as a makeshift centerforward has now drawn the attention to the Germany coach Nagelsmann.

And for that reason Havertz was utilized as the CAM whilst Tim kleindheinst was deployed as the center forward.

Unless you sign a proven centerforward, Havertz is certainly not the answer there.
Even though he has qualities in different positions . And i agree with bro @MK7Z, Havertz was signed as a midfielder.

Maybe he should rotate with Odegaard as that is his best position .

But but Chelsea misused havertz

But but the messiah Arteta will unlock leverkusen havertz

But but haverz is Gerd muller-klinsman-Beckenbauer hybrid

 

[Amjid Javed]

So Arteta now calling out the fans in after game interview, asking why the left early..

Maybe because they are bored of the team is producing and the 15M year your getting paid producing it

 

[Amjid Javed]

Already enough incompetent foold at this football club, we don't need another one.

 

[MK7Z]

Already enough incompetent foold at this football club, we don't need another one.

I miss something?

 

[MK7Z]

So Arteta now calling out the fans in after game interview, asking why the left early..

Maybe because they are bored of the team is producing and the 15M year your getting paid producing it

its freezing - your team is playing dead football. Most probably went to the Brighton game and was freezing then to.

Give them something to jump out their seat and warm up.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I miss something?

Yeah We had a Artetas cheerleader volunteer for the sporting directors job

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

The ones that are better (Haaland, Kane, Mbappe, Gykores etc.) are unattainable except Gyokeres, so for Arsenal it is either him or Isak as the two realistic options.

Gyokeres is a far better striker than Isak but for Arsenal, Isak is more suitable because he can play on the left as well, which means he can partner Havertz.

The other alternative is Marmoush who is really good as well and fits the profile but he seems City bound.

You are kidding yourself if you think you can sell Isak for £150m+ if he asks to leave. That is not going to happen. Newcastle will do a deal for far less than that if he asks to leave.

The Rice situation was different. Arsenal overpaid for him because he never pressurized West Ham to sell him out of respect for what is essentially his boyhood club. Had Rice kicked up a fuss, West Ham would have been forced to settle for a significantly lesser amount.

Isak has no such loyalties towards Newcastle. He is not a homegrown player and if he thinks Arsenal is the right move for him and Newcastle are being rigid, he will make like difficult for the club.

I never said we'll sell him for £150m+, I'm just telling you we don't sell him for £100m

Also, I'm sure he'd love to be sold the idea of moving him from his best position so you can play Havertz, how insulting

 

[KingKhanWC]

Isak will not move to Arsenal imo, no chance at all.

He is a top striker but not worth over 100m imo, you have to be elite and young. Its a lot of money to spend on one player.

Besides Arsenal need more than one striker. Its better to get rid of a few players and replace them with 2/3 top class, proven players who have won things.

 

[MK7Z]

Isak will not move to Arsenal imo, no chance at all.

He is a top striker but not worth over 100m imo, you have to be elite and young. Its a lot of money to spend on one player.

Besides Arsenal need more than one striker. Its better to get rid of a few players and replace them with 2/3 top class, proven players who have won things.

Liverpool paid 85 million for Darwin Nunez if I am not mistaken?

Why is he not worth over 100 Million? if the likes of hojlund and Nunez were sold for the fee's they were and were unproven how can you say that he is not worth over a 100 mill? He is only 25 and you have to use the Market as a barometer @Geordie Ahmed

 

[KingKhanWC]

Liverpool paid 85 million for Darwin Nunez if I am not mistaken?

Why is he not worth over 100 Million? if the likes of hojlund and Nunez were sold for the fee's they were and were unproven how can you say that he is not worth over a 100 mill? He is only 25 and you have to use the Market as a barometer @Geordie Ahmed

Liverpool and Utd paid too much imo

His market value is around 100m, I was giving my personal opinion on fees for players in general.

Liverpool , Utd and Arsenal paid too much. Rice is nowhere near a 100m player. Ryan G for Liverpool was 1/3 of the price but is playing much better now.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Isak will not move to Arsenal imo, no chance at all.

He is a top striker but not worth over 100m imo, you have to be elite and young. Its a lot of money to spend on one player.

Besides Arsenal need more than one striker. Its better to get rid of a few players and replace them with 2/3 top class, proven players who have won things.

Bro surely Isak is elite Level. The guy is a top top player.

I think he could be the missing link for the Arsenal attack. His game IQ is brilliant, which will enable players like Havertz , Odegaard, sakah really flourish around him.

If Newcastle decide to sell him ( even though they wont) They could demand North of 100 million easily.

 

[MK7Z]

Rice is nowhere near a 100m player. Ryan G for Liverpool was 1/3 of the price but is playing much better now.

Very disingenuous. Ryan G was 1/3 the player Rice was last season. Granted this season he has been better than Rice but is showing signs of tiredness so lets wait and see before you start comparisons.

 

[MK7Z]

His market value is around 100m, I was giving my personal opinion on fees for players in general.

What do you base your opinion on out of interest? Sorry if I sound rude. I am genuinely interested. How do you value players?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bro surely Isak is elite Level. The guy is a top top player.

I think he could be the missing link for the Arsenal attack. His game IQ is brilliant, which will enable players like Havertz , Odegaard, sakah really flourish around him.

If Newcastle decide to sell him ( even though they wont) They could demand North of 100 million easily.

No doubt, he's a top player but will its a huge amount. If his contract was until end of 26 he'd be worth half the amount. Prices are mainly high due to long contracts tied up or if they are young and eilite , like Yamal.

If a club wants to pay it , its fine but under fair play rules they will usually suffer in other departments or have a smaller squad of great players.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Very disingenuous. Ryan G was 1/3 the player Rice was last season. Granted this season he has been better than Rice but is showing signs of tiredness so lets wait and see before you start comparisons.

He's getting better and better. When Ryan was young he was seen as the next great midfielder and continue to surpass Rice now under a different (Dutch) manager

 

[Mamoon]

You Seriously haven't a clue Pal.

Havertz inability as a makeshift centerforward has now drawn the attention to the Germany coach Nagelsmann.

And for that reason Havertz was utilized as the CAM whilst Tim kleindheinst was deployed as the center forward.

Unless you sign a proven centerforward, Havertz is certainly not the answer there.
Even though he has qualities in different positions . And i agree with bro @MK7Z, Havertz was signed as a midfielder.

Maybe he should rotate with Odegaard as that is his best position .

I couldn’t give a rat’s behind to what Germany does. In fact, Germany started deploying him as a CF after he raised his level for Arsenal last season. They were playing him as a LWB prior to that.

Havertz has been an excellent signing for Arsenal. People scapegoat him when the problems lie elsewhere. Someone like Firmino would have been heavily criticized as well if he didn’t have Salah and Mane on either flanks.

Havertz needs better attacking players than Martinelli. As simple as that.

I also couldn’t care less whether he was signed as a midfielder, goalkeeper or a kitchen assistant. The fact is that Havertz at CF works as long as you have quality wingers/wide forwards and Arsenal don’t except Saka.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

He's getting better and better. When Ryan was young he was seen as the next great midfielder and continue to surpass Rice now under a different (Dutch) manager

Yep. As a 8, Ryan's game is more advanced than Rice, no doubt about it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What do you base your opinion on out of interest? Sorry if I sound rude. I am genuinely interested. How do you value players?

Must be under 22/23 and be world class, ie walk into any team. Im not arguing against the market value, it is the value but as a supporter I think they are inflated. I would only be happy my club spending over £100 if they match that criteria.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I couldn’t give a rat’s behind to what Germany does. In fact, Germany started deploying him as a CF after he raised his level for Arsenal last season. They were playing him as a LWB prior to that.

Havertz has been an excellent signing for Arsenal. People scapegoat him when the problems lie elsewhere. Someone like Firmino would have been heavily criticized as well if he didn’t have Salah and Mane on either flanks.

Havertz needs better attacking players than Martinelli. As simple as that.

I also couldn’t care less whether he was signed as a midfielder, goalkeeper or a kitchen assistant. The fact is that Havertz at CF works as long as you have quality wingers/wide forwards and Arsenal don’t except Saka.

Agree to disagree.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I couldn’t give a rat’s behind to what Germany does. In fact, Germany started deploying him as a CF after he raised his level for Arsenal last season. They were playing him as a LWB prior to that.

Havertz has been an excellent signing for Arsenal. People scapegoat him when the problems lie elsewhere. Someone like Firmino would have been heavily criticized as well if he didn’t have Salah and Mane on either flanks.

Havertz needs better attacking players than Martinelli. As simple as that.

I also couldn’t care less whether he was signed as a midfielder, goalkeeper or a kitchen assistant. The fact is that Havertz at CF works as long as you have quality wingers/wide forwards and Arsenal don’t except Saka.

Comparing Havertz to Firmino.

Bobby used to drop back into mid, tackle, take out other mids , move the ball and score and assist plenty. He turned up in big games too.

Please stop this Havertz crazed obsession.

 

[Mamoon]

Raya
Timber
Saliba
Gabriel
Califiori
Rice
Odegaard
Merino
Saka
Havertz
Isak

This team walks the league provided that refs are not cheating. What can stop Isak from pushing for a transfer to Arsenal this summer?

Nothing apart from his lack of ambition. If he wants to waste his prime playing for a club that will at best only fight for top 4 in the coming years, good for him.

 

[Mamoon]

Comparing Havertz to Firmino.

Bobby used to drop back into mid, tackle, take out other mids , move the ball and score and assist plenty. He turned up in big games too.

Please stop this Havertz crazed obsession.

Havertz does everything that Firmino did and he is also better in the air. Firmino only looked good because of Salah and Mane. Arsenal need to sign a right footed Saka for LW or an Isak/Marmoush type forward and you will see Havertz at his best.

Havertz is a top player. It has always been my wish to see him play for Arsenal and I was gutted when Chelsea signed him but here we are.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Raya
Timber
Saliba
Gabriel
Califiori
Rice
Odegaard
Merino
Saka
Havertz
Isak

This team walks the league provided that refs are not cheating. What can stop Isak from pushing for a transfer to Arsenal this summer?

Nothing apart from his lack of ambition. If he wants to waste his prime playing for a club that will at best only fight for top 4 in the coming years, good for him.

Then again Spanish Pulis Tactics could hinder someone like ISAK. Mid - low block tactics, and playing for set pieces is not what will get the best out of him.

On the other hand Newcastle are playing front foot attacking Soccer, which is getting best of out of him and the rest

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Havertz does everything that Firmino did and he is also better in the air. Firmino only looked good because of Salah and Mane. Arsenal need to sign a right footed Saka for LW or an Isak/Marmoush type forward and you will see Havertz at his best.

Havertz is a top player. It has always been my wish to see him play for Arsenal and I was gutted when Chelsea signed him but here we are.

Havertz best years were at Leverkuson as a CAM.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Raya
Timber
Saliba
Gabriel
Califiori
Rice
Odegaard
Merino
Saka
Havertz
Isak

This team walks the league provided that refs are not cheating. What can stop Isak from pushing for a transfer to Arsenal this summer?

Nothing apart from his lack of ambition. If he wants to waste his prime playing for a club that will at best only fight for top 4 in the coming years, good for him.

Isak can do a job at LW but he's not a LW, he's a striker and an elite one at that

You mention ambition to belittle us but you've nothing under Arteta in the last 5 years

If Isak wants to leave due to ambition then joining Arsenal is hardly displaying it in abundance, there's better teams he could play for where he's more likely to win

 

[Mamoon]

Isak can do a job at LW but he's not a LW, he's a striker and an elite one at that

You mention ambition to belittle us but you've nothing under Arteta in the last 5 years

If Isak wants to leave due to ambition then joining Arsenal is hardly displaying it in abundance, there's better teams he could play for where he's more likely to win

Madrid don’t need him, Barca is broke, Bayern don’t need him, Inter don’t need him, City don’t need him, Liverpool don’t spend that kind of money.

The options are limited and Arsenal is one of the few clubs that can afford him and also need him.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I never said we'll sell him for £150m+, I'm just telling you we don't sell him for £100m

Also, I'm sure he'd love to be sold the idea of moving him from his best position so you can play Havertz, how insulting

But but havertz Is an Arsenal legend and Germanys greatest ever player according Peshawars greatest football scout

 

[Mamoon]

Then again Spanish Pulis Tactics could hinder someone like ISAK. Mid - low block tactics, and playing for set pieces is not what will get the best out of him.

On the other hand Newcastle are playing front foot attacking Soccer, which is getting best of out of him and the rest

Arteta plays like this because of the players that he has at his disposal. If he signs a forward like Isak, he will set up differently.

The tactics are not his idea of football; it is what he has been forced to do based on the players that he has at his disposal.

 

[Amjid Javed]

comedy gold. Yet more gold standard bakwas

A team with donkeys like merino and havertz walking the league..

Really is no cure for delusion in 2025

Isak wants to join a team which has won no trophies for 5 years

 

[Mamoon]

Arsenal, Chelsea, PSG.

Realistically, these are the only three clubs that Isak could go to this summer. The others don’t need him or don’t have that kind of money to spend.

Isak wouldn’t want to go to Ligue 1 at this stage of his career and Arsenal is a better option than Chelsea.

Isak wearing #14 in red & white next season. It is meant to happen. Finally a worthy player to wear the number after Henry.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arteta plays like this because of the players that he has at his disposal. If he signs a forward like Isak, he will set up differently.

The tactics are not his idea of football; it is what he has been forced to do based on the players that he has at his disposal.

This is just not true

Arsenal at one stage were playing really good football under Arteta, they were the best team to watch in the league but for some reason he's put the handbrakes on

And now the Paella Pulis nickname has some validity to it

An Arsenal fan I know suggested that 4-1 loss to City was the turning point for him becoming more pragmatic

And now Arsenal look at set pieces as their primary attack rather than it complimenting their main play

This is all on Arteta and him alone

 

[Mamoon]

This is just not true

Arsenal at one stage were playing really good football under Arteta, they were the best team to watch in the league but for some reason he's put the handbrakes on

And now the Paella Pulis nickname has some validity to it

An Arsenal fan I know suggested that 4-1 loss to City was the turning point for him becoming more pragmatic

And now Arsenal look at set pieces as their primary attack rather than it complimenting their main play

This is all on Arteta and him alone

Arsenal scored 91 goals last season. How many defensive coaches will score 91 in 38 matches? These accusations are baseless.

This season, he has been more pragmatic than previously because there have been a lot of injuries.

 

[Amjid Javed]

But but the refs are cheating

But but injuries

But but slot is fluking it at Liverpool

More and more bakwas excuses

 

[Amjid Javed]

Only delusion zero ball knowledge cheerleaders would continue to do bhangra over failures like Arteta, oddegard and havertz.

Some of this fan base deserve the humiliation this team is currently providing

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Arteta plays like this because of the players that he has at his disposal. If he signs a forward like Isak, he will set up differently.

The tactics are not his idea of football; it is what he has been forced to do based on the players that he has at his disposal.

 

[Amjid Javed]

so Arteta Pulis now only plays Stoke football because of the players he's asked for personally over last 5 years..

Excuses number 100

 

[aboveandbeyond]

so Arteta Pulis now only plays Stoke football because of the players he's asked for personally over last 5 years..

Excuses number 100

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Comedy Gold at its best. Might end me subscription on Sky, and log in to the number one Comedy Gold thread on here

 

[Amjid Javed]

Comedy Gold at its best. Might end me subscription on Sky, and log in to the number one Comedy Gold thread on here

Plenty of in this fan base, main one being the chairmen of the fraudeta-pulis fan club.

The club isn't serious on the pitch as the losers in fan base are happy with making excuses for failure every season.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Plenty of in this fan base, main one being the chairmen of the fraudeta-pulis fan club.

The club isn't serious on the pitch as the losers in fan base are happy with making excuses for failure every season.

He hasn't a clue. Tell tail sign, the whataboutery goes on to a extend essay.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Everton has just sacked Sean Dyche, so Arsenal should do the same

Arteta would be perfect for Everton, he's a legend their and his haram terrorist football would be idolised at Everton

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arsenal scored 91 goals last season. How many defensive coaches will score 91 in 38 matches? These accusations are baseless.

This season, he has been more pragmatic than previously because there have been a lot of injuries.

So they've went from 2.39 goals per game to 1.95 goals per game, that's a bit of a drop off

 

[Amjid Javed]

So they've went from 2.39 goals per game to 1.95 goals per game, that's a bit of a drop off

Pretty much apart from saka, all other midfielders / attackers over performed to their usual standards

The dimwits in the fanbase don't understand that.

Saka consistently gets good numbers every season, the others don't

To the that thinks donkey havertz should be main striker because he works hard, shows how clueless this fanbase is

 

[Amjid Javed]

Latest excuses for Arteta and his fan boy on Sunday

 

[MK7Z]

Latest excuses for Arteta and his fan boy on Sunday

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Have you seen the full interview? Please do so before bashing him about it.

Trust me has plenty to be bashed about before clips taken out of context.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Have you seen the full interview? Please do so before bashing him about it.

Trust me has plenty to be bashed about before clips taken out of context.

He could have just made no comment on the match ball, its the same for both teams. He deserves all the flak he's getting for his excuses etc..

Before it was the club needs to maximise every TF possible at this club.

Now he's coming out with crap like January isn't the best time to buy.

He's got his 15M a year now to protect the owners from flak.

Sooner he goes the better, 2nd highest paid manager in world and he continually takes the **** with this fan base

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Have you seen the full interview? Please do so before bashing him about it.

Trust me has plenty to be bashed about before clips taken out of context.

They set him up with the question but he fell right into the trap

He could have given so many different answers instead of the one he gave and now he's getting mocked for it

 

[Amjid Javed]

They set him up with the question but he fell right into the trap

He could have given so many different answers instead of the one he gave and now he's getting mocked for it

Exactly, he just made himself look like a clueless that he is, also this ball wasn't an issue when we beat Bolton or Preston.

Seems Arteta and his fan boy are rolling out excuses after excuse for failure this season.

Also how many times has Eddie howe made Arteta looked tactically clueless

 

[MK7Z]

They set him up with the question but he fell right into the trap

He could have given so many different answers instead of the one he gave and now he's getting mocked for it

Did he blame the ball for the defeat? If he didn't then people can move on it ain't that deep whether he could have answered it better.

I am more concerned about other stuff he says in interviews like Kronkes being good owners etc. I think those need more scrutiny rather an actual football.