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Amjid Javed said:
The guys the club captain and doesn't deliver. Your at a "big club" his job is to lead from front with performances. He's no different to ozil in aspect interms of ghosting in games. But because he's the club poster boy he gets more protection than others
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Mate, that protection is wearing off. You start to hear the frustration from the crowd now when he does nothing.
 
MK7Z said:
Mate, that protection is wearing off. You start to hear the frustration from the crowd now when he does nothing.
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Yeah ive noticed a few more people starting to get fed up with on field antics.

Some sort of top quality creative player needs to be brought in during summer.
 
MK7Z said:
Please elaborate on how Maddison has had a better career?

Not even a gauranteed starter at spurs. Subbed off a lot games after disaster performances.

Relegated twice I think?

Doesn't even make the England squad when all sorts of thrash get called up.

Yes he won a cup with Leicester.

Currently 15th in the league? I haven't checked.

Odegaard has been poor this season but to say Maddison has had a better career when the level and expectation of him has always been low.
Hence when he gets his G/A it looks better than it actually is.

You don't have to Like Odegaard but to say Maddison is better when he plays with zero expectations.
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I'm not sure why this is even up for debate. Are you an Odegaard fan by any chance?

Maddison is better than Odegaard when it comes to pure output. The former is miles ahead as a goal scorer. The Norweigan had just one decent season in this department. This was during 22/23 when he scored 15 goals in the PL from 37 apps. Outside of the 22/23 season for Arsenal, he has scored just 18 goals in 109 apps. That's really poor for a CAM who we all know gets into really good positions in the final third.

Maddison has scored more goals in a similar number games from when Odegaard joined Arsenal despite having inferior players around him. Please don't come up with silly excuses like "he plays with zero expectations". Also, during the same period, Maddison has 50% more assists. This is supposed to be an Odegaard speciality.

The only reason why Maddison isn't playing for a better team is because he's injury prone. At one point Arsenal wanted to sign him but Leicester were asking for £70m. No one is going to pay that for an injury prone midfielder.

MK7Z said:
Where I do agree is that odegaard needs to live up to the expectations and get over this weak mental block cos when he is like he was last season he's 10 levels above Maddison.
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This is not even true even in the slightest.

Had Arsenal signed Maddison (instead of Spurs) during the August 2023 transfer window, I can guarantee we would have won the league around this time last year.

Maddison were unplayable during the first half of last season prior to injury. During this period, not only was Odegaard was terrible but he was one of the main reasons why Arsenal lost virtually all of their points in the league last season. The Norweigan only started playing well after the holiday in Dubai.

No one is doubting Odegaard's ability as a player but his weak mentality is one of the main reasons why Arsenal:

  • Bottled top 4 during the 21/22 season when he ghosted at the back end of the season
  • Bottled the title race during the 21/23 because again he ghosted at the back end of the season and also in some big games as well
  • Fell short of the winning the title last season because he was poor during the first half of that season
In addition to the above, under his presence, Norway have not qualified for the WC and Euros despite having a team that is more than qualify for one of these tournaments. The question is why is Haaland's goalscoring record for Norway exceptional but on the other hand, Odegaard's has been terrible?
 
Arsenal would have won the league if they had maddison 😂.

I'm not even going to bother taking this discussion further. You win
 
MK7Z said:
Arsenal would have won the league if they had maddison 😂.

I'm not even going to bother taking this discussion further. You win
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I have no problem if you disagree with this view, but you know very well this wasn’t the crux of my argument, so if you are unable to address the rest of the post, it just sounds like you can’t justify your position and have given up, because you can’t admit you are wrong.

Earlier this season I was also mocked, ridiculed and laughed at for claiming Arsenal have improved in Europe from last season. However, I have now proved them wrong. I guess you are next in the queue, so good luck.

I expected a lot better from an individual born in 1972 because this is the kind of post that I would expect from someone born in 2012.
 
If you don’t have anything useful to say after challenging someone on a particular view, best to keep quiet rather than act like a moron.
 
topspin said:
If you don’t have anything useful to say after challenging someone on a particular view, best to keep quiet rather than act like a moron.
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I am staying quiet brother. I have nothing to say.

I'm actually speechless that you actually wrote

"Had Arsenal signed Maddison (instead of Spurs) during the August 2023 transfer window, I can guarantee we would have won the league around this time last year."

Speechless.
 
topspin said:
Earlier this season I was also mocked, ridiculed and laughed at for claiming Arsenal have improved in Europe from last season. However, I have now proved them wrong. I guess you are next in the queue, so good luck.
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Arsenal improvement in Europe could only be measured once they got to knockout stages. Group stage matches have zero relevancy. At the time we had the 1st discussion on this it was during group stages, my point was consistent. Wait till we get to the knockouts.

Arsenal 1st leg win vs Madrid shows they improved from the bayern Game last season, so yeah you get credit that they have improved. At same time lets not get carried away. Still long way to go for Arsenal in this tournament.

Still plenty of hurdles to go, let's hope this Madrid win isn't a one off.

Also on the oddegard subject, earlier in season you were on the opposite side of the fence. Claiming I had an Agenda with oddegard.

You also mentioned that we should be signing musiala as a back up to oddegard. I brought up the international record and you said it was irrelevant as you weren't bothered about it.

Same goes for havertz where we went back and forth and now you've changed your stance.

So not sure where the whole queue of proving people wrong comes into play?

Not sure how MK7Z has got on your nerves to be fair. He just said he didn't want to debate on it.

The Main culprit who is usually here for pure point scoring purposes has been AWOL since January as he threw the towel in lol.
 
MK7Z said:
I am staying quiet brother. I have nothing to say.

I'm actually speechless that you actually wrote

"Had Arsenal signed Maddison (instead of Spurs) during the August 2023 transfer window, I can guarantee we would have won the league around this time last year."

Speechless.
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Well that's because you obviously don't remember Spurs were top of the table and Maddison was instrumental to that. Odegaard was terrible during that period, so not sure why this would make you "speechless".
 
Amjid Javed said:
Arsenal improvement in Europe could only be measured once they got to knockout stages. Group stage matches have zero relevancy. At the time we had the 1st discussion on this it was during group stages, my point was consistent. Wait till we get to the knockouts.

Arsenal 1st leg win vs Madrid shows they improved from the bayern Game last season, so yeah you get credit that they have improved. At same time lets not get carried away. Still long way to go for Arsenal in this tournament.
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Bro I'm not getting carried away because I know this tie against Madrid isn't over but I did make it clear regardless of what happens next, we have improved.

Beating 3-0 against a front 3 consisting of Mbappe, Vini Jr and Rodrygo was unimaginable this time last year.

You could see from a mile away that they had adapted to the change in atmospheres from PL to CL.

Ofc, what really matters to me is to see Arsenal go all the way and win it.

My prediction, we'll get to the final and get beat by Barca.

Amjid Javed said:
Still plenty of hurdles to go, let's hope this Madrid win isn't a one off.


Also on the oddegard subject, earlier in season you were on the opposite side of the fence. Claiming I had an Agenda with oddegard.
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Irrelevant.

In fairness, we have both flip-flopped on this because we thought Odegaard had turned the corner, however I do admit I gave in to peer pressure from a group.

What matters is you, Rana and I were on the same page about Odegaard last season, so it's not as if I didn't see it.

Amjid Javed said:
You also mentioned that we should be signing musiala as a back up to oddegard. I brought up the international record and you said it was irrelevant as you weren't bothered about it.
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I genuinely don't remember this. As far as I remember, I have always rated Musiala over Odegaard.

Also, Musiala would start for Arsenal even if Odegaard was better than him because he can play as a left forward and he's much better in this position compared to Martinelli.

Amjid Javed said:
So not sure where the whole queue of proving people wrong comes into play?

Not sure how MK7Z has got on your nerves to be fair. He just said he didn't want to debate on it.
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If people want to be disrespectful and pick out one point they disagree with and not address the crux of my argument, I am going to put them in their place.

He was feeling boisterous when he challenged me on Ode vs Maddison. He didn't like what I had to say because I've just proven him wrong, I didn't take kindly to the tone and the manner of his response.

Up until I have been very patient after seeing all sorts of remarks being made about me on this thread, where I've been tagged on numerous occasions. On most occasions I choose to ignore it to keep the peace, but I'm not tolerating it anymore.
 
topspin said:
Well that's because you obviously don't remember Spurs were top of the table and Maddison was instrumental to that. Odegaard was terrible during that period, so not sure why this would make you "speechless".
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Ah OK. Fair enough. Spurs were top at the beginning of the season when everybody starts from zero points . How many games was it for?

Yes it made me speechless cos you actually said Maddison would have won Arsenal the league.

I've slept on it and come back and I'm still in shock.
 
topspin said:
Bro I'm not getting carried away because I know this tie against Madrid isn't over but I did make it clear regardless of what happens next, we have improved.

Beating 3-0 against a front 3 consisting of Mbappe, Vini Jr and Rodrygo was unimaginable this time last year.

You could see from a mile away that they had adapted to the change in atmospheres from PL to CL.

Ofc, what really matters to me is to see Arsenal go all the way and win it.

My prediction, we'll get to the final and get beat by Barca.



Irrelevant.

In fairness, we have both flip-flopped on this because we thought Odegaard had turned the corner, however I do admit I gave in to peer pressure from a group.

What matters is you, Rana and I were on the same page about Odegaard last season, so it's not as if I didn't see it.



I genuinely don't remember this. As far as I remember, I have always rated Musiala over Odegaard.

Also, Musiala would start for Arsenal even if Odegaard was better than him because he can play as a left forward and he's much better in this position compared to Martinelli.



If people want to be disrespectful and pick out one point they disagree with and not address the crux of my argument, I am going to put them in their place.

He was feeling boisterous when he challenged me on Ode vs Maddison. He didn't like what I had to say because I've just proven him wrong, I didn't take kindly to the tone and the manner of his response.

Up until I have been very patient after seeing all sorts of remarks being made about me on this thread, where I've been tagged on numerous occasions. On most occasions I choose to ignore it to keep the peace, but I'm not tolerating it anymore.
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Are you OK brother? It really isn't that deep to get upset about it.

You have proved me wrong. What else do you want me to say. I backed down. You've put me in my place. I know better for next time. You won the debate. Do you want an apology as well? I don't mind....

So to summarise. YOU WIN - DEBATE OVER.

Maddison has had a better career than odegaard because Spurs were on top of the league for a short period and if Maddison had signed for Arsenal we would have won the league last season. Odegaard is rubbish, maddison is better.

Anything else?

Not sure where I've had a go at you in this thread or been disrespectful. Are you missing KingKhan cos this tantrum is on par with him.

Talking of him... I'm actually wondering where is on a serious note.
 
topspin said:
Well that's because you obviously don't remember Spurs were top of the table and Maddison was instrumental to that. Odegaard was terrible during that period, so not sure why this would make you "speechless".
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Since this is still difficult to understand, I will dumb it down for you.

Arsenal had a season of two halves last season:

- First half: 40 points out of a possible 57 in the first 19 games
- Second half: 49 points out of a 57 in the remaining 19 games

In recent years, 90 points (or low 90s) typically wins you the league. So ideally you need to be aiming for around 45 points during each half of the season.

So based on this, 40 points in the first half of the season is below par and where the league was lost. We need to look into why this was the case. One of the main reasons for this was because Arsenal lacked creativity since Odegaard was poor. During the same period Maddison was exceptional (prior to his injury). He was the main reason why Spurs were top of the league.

Imagine if Arsenal could rotate Odegaard and Maddison, where they have the latter starting during the first half of the season, when Arsenal dropped most of their points and Odegaard playing in the second half of the season when he returned to form after the Dubai trip.

Arsenal were exceptional in the second half but had too much to ground to make up after a slow start.
 
Last seasons sluggish 1st half of the season wasn't just down to oddegard being poor. The team had to play with 10 men most games due to the 🫏 havertz being used in midfield. That's on the manager.

This will also be an issue going forward. It's all good Arsenal looking at a so called isak or Gyökeres, Arsenal would have to change their style of play and formation to get the best out of them.

If Rice is moved to the 8 permanently. Whilst he will get goals etc.. their will still will be a lack of a creative hub in midfield. Arteta will use haverz and Merino in midfield again next season.

If your midfield is workmen like, it means your front 3 have to score bulk of goals with a salah or haaland type forward as well.

Otherwise you need a "creative" top quality number 8 in 10, something Arsenal don't have.
 
Nice of Edu to leave a so called nice written message for the club after his garden leave ended.

Reality Is Edu wanted to sign guiameres, murillo and a few other Brazilian signings. The club pretty much said no, which was pretty much meaning Arteta got his way on signings. It's clearly obvious that Edu will have had legal stipulations in what he can and can't say when he left. This is why he was on garden leave and cudnt leave straight away.

Let's see if Berta has any power or is just their to pander this manager whose failed again to win the league, not even a title challenge this season.
 
For Arsenal to wrestle the title back they need the following re - enforcements and Personnel.

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N. Williams/ Barcola------havertz-------saka

------------------Odegaard/Rice/partey--------
 
aboveandbeyond said:
For Arsenal to wrestle the title back they need the following re - enforcements and Personnel.

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N. Williams/ Barcola------havertz-------saka

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🤣 feel free to take havertz at united as a number 10 and oddegard. They would fit in perfectly at mid table club like united
 
Amjid Javed said:
🤣 feel free to take havertz at united as a number 10 and oddegard. They would fit in perfectly at mid table club like united
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We've got Bruno at 10 so we don't require his services.

However, I'd take Odegaard at 8 at UTD in a heartbeat. Quality performer
 
Amjid Javed said:
Last seasons sluggish 1st half of the season wasn't just down to oddegard being poor. The team had to play with 10 men most games due to the 🫏 havertz being used in midfield. That's on the manager.

This will also be an issue going forward. It's all good Arsenal looking at a so called isak or Gyökeres, Arsenal would have to change their style of play and formation to get the best out of them.

If Rice is moved to the 8 permanently. Whilst he will get goals etc.. their will still will be a lack of a creative hub in midfield. Arteta will use haverz and Merino in midfield again next season.

If your midfield is workmen like, it means your front 3 have to score bulk of goals with a salah or haaland type forward as well.

Otherwise you need a "creative" top quality number 8 in 10, something Arsenal don't have.
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There's no disagreement here. I did say "One of the main reasons for this was because Arsenal lacked creativity since Odegaard was poor.

Had Arsenal signed Maddison and assuming he was able to replicate the same form that he showed for Spurs during the first half of last season, it's not unreasonable to suggest he would've helped Arsenal gain at least another 3 points, which would have clinched the title for Arteta's side.
 
topspin said:
There's no disagreement here. I did say "One of the main reasons for this was because Arsenal lacked creativity since Odegaard was poor.

Had Arsenal signed Maddison and assuming he was able to replicate the same form that he showed for Spurs during the first half of last season, it's not unreasonable to suggest he would've helped Arsenal gain at least another 3 points, which would have clinched the title for Arteta's side.
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That's a bit of a hypothetical leap when you consider Maddison has never had a full season where he has been consistent from start to finish
 
topspin said:
Since this is still difficult to understand, I will dumb it down for you.

Arsenal had a season of two halves last season:

- First half: 40 points out of a possible 57 in the first 19 games
- Second half: 49 points out of a 57 in the remaining 19 games

In recent years, 90 points (or low 90s) typically wins you the league. So ideally you need to be aiming for around 45 points during each half of the season.

So based on this, 40 points in the first half of the season is below par and where the league was lost. We need to look into why this was the case. One of the main reasons for this was because Arsenal lacked creativity since Odegaard was poor. During the same period Maddison was exceptional (prior to his injury). He was the main reason why Spurs were top of the league.

Imagine if Arsenal could rotate Odegaard and Maddison, where they have the latter starting during the first half of the season, when Arsenal dropped most of their points and Odegaard playing in the second half of the season when he returned to form after the Dubai trip.

Arsenal were exceptional in the second half but had too much to ground to make up after a slow start.
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Seen as you won't drop it. I might as well reply
All this because you think Maddison would have won arsenal the league.

If Arsenal had Salah this year we would have won the league

If Arsenal had Haaland or Mbappe last year we would probably won the league

If Southampton had Maddison this season they would have stayed up... Oh wait he can't keep teams up single-handedly but can win you titles.

You see Salah mbappe and Haaland are players who win you the league not Maddison.

Also about last season. If you pin point games Arsenal lost or dropped points you'll find it was not down to creativity.. Maybe Fulham away - actually no - Odegaard chances created 3.

Newcastle it was a few decisions that were debatable that cost us. We lost
Guess what.... Odegaard didn't play that game.

Early in the season we drew with Fulham who had 10 men. Conceding early due to a Ramsdale error then late on due to not being able to defend a corner. Is that due to Odegaard?

West Ham at home we lost. Wanna know how many chances Odegaard created that game? He created 6 chances in 1 game. Is that not enough creativity for you?

So that's 6-8 points dropped in the 1st half of the season you say lack of creativity from Odegaard cost us which Maddison would have been better for? 1 game Odegaard didn't play and one that he created 6 chances.

Talking of Maddison - we drew 2-2 against Spurs. More dropped points. Odegaard 3 chances created.

Shall I go on? I might as well seen as you wouldn't back down and I've had to waste time to reply.

Aston Villa at home a game that we lost in the 2nd half of the season. I beg you watch that display by Odegaard. He absolutely was majestic that game, created just the 2 chances but the way he dictated especially the 1st half was a joy to watch. I think I remember @Geordie Ahmed also giving him a special mention that game.

So that's 9 points we dropped and you say he is a major part of that and Maddison would have done better?

Now to your points of Arsenal lost the league in the 1st half of the Season. I agree that its key to get as many points on the board early as Liverpool have proven this season its not always the case especially when City are involved and they go crazy at the end. So 45 points in the 1st half of the season is not the formula by any means.

Lets look at the last few seasons.

23-24 Man City after 19 games they had 40 points - won the league with 91 Points. Arsenal actually had 40 points at 18 games but anyway...

22-23 Arsenal had 47 points after 19 games City had 45. City won the league with 89 Points

21-22 was a great neck and neck race from Man City and Pool City had 47 points and ended with 93

All 3 examples above proves that its not how you start the season its you end hence why its called a title race. Of course in a an ideal world you want the perfect start but that's just not how football works.

So the reason as pointed out previously was playing players out of position to accommodate a particular new player we signed

So that's my reply - Carry on if you like. I didn't really want to engage but your odd obsession with Maddison and also guaranteeing him winning us the league last season. seems to have clouded your judgement, and unfortunately I have had to take you to school.

The same Maddison who got hooked yesterday after another disaster performance against the mighty Wolves. I don't think he is a bad player to be honest but he is not the required standard either for a title chasing team.

This is not protection of Odegaard. He has been pathetic this season. This is last season we are talking about.

Peace

Have a good day
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
I wouldn't strongly argue otherwise but that is irrelevant

Your argument is having Maddison instead would have guaranteed a title, I disagree since Maddison is arguably more inconsistent than Odegaard
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In that case you've obviously forgotten when Maddison was on song. During this period, Odegaard was a liability. There is no doubt if Arsenal had Maddison starting during these games, he would've gained the 3 points they needed to clinch the title.

In the second half of the season, I would've started Ode when he returned to form following the Dubai trip.

Now, I'm not saying Maddison would start over Odegaard throughout each season, I just think we could benefit from having both and rotating them.

If we look at their careers overall, Odegaard is undoubtedly more gifted but Maddison has had far more output and has done it with inferior players around him.
 
topspin said:
In that case you've obviously forgotten when Maddison was on song. During this period, Odegaard was a liability. There is no doubt if Arsenal had Maddison starting during these games, he would've gained the 3 points they needed to clinch the title.

In the second half of the season, I would've started Ode when he returned to form following the Dubai trip.

Now, I'm not saying Maddison would start over Odegaard throughout each season, I just think we could benefit from having both and rotating them.

If we look at their careers overall, Odegaard is undoubtedly more gifted but Maddison has had far more output and has done it with inferior players around him.
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I'll be honest I've skimmed through the discussion as it was fairly lengthy

If your argument is that Arsenal having both Odegaard and Maddison would have won them the league then I'm inclined to agree

If you are saying having Maddison instead of Odegaard then I disagree
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
I'll be honest I've skimmed through the discussion as it was fairly lengthy

If your argument is that Arsenal having both Odegaard and Maddison would have won them the league then I'm inclined to agree
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This is exactly what I've been saying.

Thank you for being sincere in this discussion.
 
Just like last season, this season has brought up the same issues when it's come to points being dropped as crucial points in a season.

The main issues come down to Arsenal's midfield. There are two clear issues.

Poor recruitment and poor team selections and in both cases that is on the manager.

Has oddegard dissapeared as usual when it matter most? Yes

Would a maddision in the squad have made a difference? Maybe.

Arsenal indifferent start last season, losing 4 games in 1st half of season was due to Havertz playing in midfield and also using Partey at RB, or having him on the bench.

This season when oddegard got injured, Arteta used a mixture of trossard and Merino as so called options.

So Arsenal 1st title challenge was built on partey in the 6 and xhaka further forward.

How much money has Arteta wasted trying to fix a xhaka replacement.

30M Vieira - absolute trash
65M havertz - absolute trash, him scoring a few goals as a striker doesn't change the fact that he was signed as midfielder and failed.
30M Merino - absolute trash, offered nothing in that position. Just like havertz, scores a few goals as make shift striker and you got people acting like it's success.

Now the plan is play Rice in the 8. So essentially Arsensl have spent 230M on 4 midfielders which are dog turd.

Arsenal had chance to sign Maddision, Khudus or tielemens. Yet declined on all 3.

Edu was looking at Guimares, paqueta but the board said No.

So Arsenal had plenty of chances to get right midfielders in, get the right depth and squad rotation options.

But when the manager is recruiting poorly, then can't manage a squad when a few key injuries happen it shows he's not up to task. Making the little poster boy puppet captain hasn't helped either.

These midfield issues won't go away next season unless Berta gets power on transfers. Even then the manager will probably still pick his favourite pets anyways.

But those still backing the manager will keep rolling out the excuses, if we get player x,y,z in summer it will be different.

This team can't even compete on al fronts after 5 year process. Domestic cup a shambles, not even in a title race this season, now pretty much all eggs in the European basket.
 
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Barcola/Williams------Havertz-------Sakah

-----------------Odegaard----Rice/Party

This midfiled and attack will ensure the Title heading to the Emirates.
 
MK7Z said:
Seen as you won't drop it. I might as well reply
All this because you think Maddison would have won arsenal the league.

If Arsenal had Salah this year we would have won the league

If Arsenal had Haaland or Mbappe last year we would probably won the league

If Southampton had Maddison this season they would have stayed up... Oh wait he can't keep teams up single-handedly but can win you titles.
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First and foremost, you need to take a leaf out of posters like Geordie Ahmed, who know how to conduct themselves.

He admitted that he initially he had skimmed my posts but later concluded that he was inclined to agree after I had clarified my opinion with him

Now, not only are you misrepresenting my argument, you are making stuff up by insinuating that I claimed Maddison can win titles on his own.

MK7Z said:
You see Salah mbappe and Haaland are players who win you the league not Maddison.

Also about last season. If you pin point games Arsenal lost or dropped points you'll find it was not down to creativity.. Maybe Fulham away - actually no - Odegaard chances created 3.

Newcastle it was a few decisions that were debatable that cost us. We lost
Guess what.... Odegaard didn't play that game.

Early in the season we drew with Fulham who had 10 men. Conceding early due to a Ramsdale error then late on due to not being able to defend a corner. Is that due to Odegaard?

West Ham at home we lost. Wanna know how many chances Odegaard created that game? He created 6 chances in 1 game. Is that not enough creativity for you?

So that's 6-8 points dropped in the 1st half of the season you say lack of creativity from Odegaard cost us which Maddison would have been better for? 1 game Odegaard didn't play and one that he created 6 chances.

Talking of Maddison - we drew 2-2 against Spurs. More dropped points. Odegaard 3 chances created.

Shall I go on? I might as well seen as you wouldn't back down and I've had to waste time to reply.

Aston Villa at home a game that we lost in the 2nd half of the season. I beg you watch that display by Odegaard. He absolutely was majestic that game, created just the 2 chances but the way he dictated especially the 1st half was a joy to watch. I think I remember @Geordie Ahmed also giving him a special mention that game.

So that's 9 points we dropped and you say he is a major part of that and Maddison would have done better?

Now to your points of Arsenal lost the league in the 1st half of the Season. I agree that its key to get as many points on the board early as Liverpool have proven this season its not always the case especially when City are involved and they go crazy at the end. So 45 points in the 1st half of the season is not the formula by any means.

Lets look at the last few seasons.

23-24 Man City after 19 games they had 40 points - won the league with 91 Points. Arsenal actually had 40 points at 18 games but anyway...

22-23 Arsenal had 47 points after 19 games City had 45. City won the league with 89 Points

21-22 was a great neck and neck race from Man City and Pool City had 47 points and ended with 93

All 3 examples above proves that its not how you start the season its you end hence why its called a title race. Of course in a an ideal world you want the perfect start but that's just not how football works.

So the reason as pointed out previously was playing players out of position to accommodate a particular new player we signed

So that's my reply - Carry on if you like. I didn't really want to engage but your odd obsession with Maddison and also guaranteeing him winning us the league last season. seems to have clouded your judgement, and unfortunately I have had to take you to school.

The same Maddison who got hooked yesterday after another disaster performance against the mighty Wolves. I don't think he is a bad player to be honest but he is not the required standard either for a title chasing team.

This is not protection of Odegaard. He has been pathetic this season. This is last season we are talking about.

Peace

Have a good day
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You did not school anyone because you didn't even understand what my position was, so for the last time, I will dumb it down for you.

In my opinion, Arsenal would have won the league last year if they had both Maddison and Odegaard in the squad with the former playing in the first half of last season and the latter playing in the second half of last season. Going by the responses to this (above) from other posters, they are inclined to agree and certainly don't believe it is far fetched like what you are trying to make it out to be.

Instead of buying Havertz, Arsenal should have signed Maddison and Kudus. If we had both, not only would we have found a great replacement for Xhaka but also filled the void in CAM when Odegaard wasn't performing during the first half of last season. But somehow "I have a weird obsession with Maddison", when the truth is both AJ and I both wanted him to be signed by Arsenal and like him I also vouched for other players to be signed to strengthen the team.

You misunderstood my take on this whole matter and basically fumbled, so let's leave it as that since you are never going to admit it.
 
topspin said:
First and foremost, you need to take a leaf out of posters like Geordie Ahmed, who know how to conduct themselves.

He admitted that he initially he had skimmed my posts but later concluded that he was inclined to agree after I had clarified my opinion with him

Now, not only are you misrepresenting my argument, you are making stuff up by insinuating that I claimed Maddison can win titles on his own.



You did not school anyone because you didn't even understand what my position was, so for the last time, I will dumb it down for you.

In my opinion, Arsenal would have won the league last year if they had both Maddison and Odegaard in the squad with the former playing in the first half of last season and the latter playing in the second half of last season. Going by the responses to this (above) from other posters, they are inclined to agree and certainly don't believe it is far fetched like what you are trying to make it out to be.

Instead of buying Havertz, Arsenal should have signed Maddison and Kudus. If we had both, not only would we have found a great replacement for Xhaka but also filled the void in CAM when Odegaard wasn't performing during the first half of last season. But somehow "I have a weird obsession with Maddison", when the truth is both AJ and I both wanted him to be signed by Arsenal and like him I also vouched for other players to be signed to strengthen the team.

You misunderstood my take on this whole matter and basically fumbled, so let's leave it as that since you are never going to admit it.
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I admit. Please move on. It aint that deep. I conceded ages ago.

I will take this as a lesson who I wish to engage with when it comes to football opinions. That's all I am going to say. This is a online text conversation so there is no need for bravado. Take that as a bit of friendly advice.
 
topspin said:
First and foremost, you need to take a leaf out of posters like Geordie Ahmed, who know how to conduct themselves.
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I am always looking for self improvement. So please quote the post where I was disrespectful,insulting or rude?

We can always do better.

I'll be waiting
 
Imperative for The Gooners to keep compact and Try not to concede in the opening half, otherwise it could become a long night.

The Barnabeau can be really daunting once Madrid build up momentum. And we've seen on ample occasions when even the refereeing can be questionable!
 
Amjid Javed said:
You almost broke record for longest period of hiding off the forum 😉
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This record will remain in Peshawar :salah

Let's hope arsenal dont go hiding with a huge advantage. Madrid look fired up to execute something. Arsenal need to get through half hr or score
 
I really hope Saka is not going to regret that. Huge chance missed to end this tie!
 
Donald Trump on VAR tonight

Ref is a joke , right decision in the end fell over like a bag of french onions
 
0-0 HT

Good defensive effort by Arsenal so far, espcially having to play the game with 10 men.
 
topspin said:
I assume you are referring to the captain? What a mentally weak performance. Babar Azam-esque @Rana
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If the club had any sense they would be looking at new captain for next season.

Also an upgrade in midfield on him. No other club would take this guy on the 240K wages that he's on.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Helps if the captain stops giving ball away, under hiting passes or looking like a scared toddler
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Odegaard had two promising shooting positions but chose to pass on both occasions. Not sure why he doesn't just go for it given Arsenal are 3-0 up.
 
Markhor said:
Odegaard had two promising shooting positions but chose to pass on both occasions. Not sure why he doesn't just go for it given Arsenal are 3-0 up.
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Nothing new. Poor decision make, weak shots when he does shoot.

One of the most pathetic captains this clubs ever seen
 
Saka makes up for penalty miss, with a goal now.

Vini Jr scores straight after

1-1
 
Markhor said:
Odegaard had two promising shooting positions but chose to pass on both occasions. Not sure why he doesn't just go for it given Arsenal are 3-0 up.
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It's because he's mentally very weak, which is a real shame when you consider his abilities. This is why he reminds Rana and I as Arsenal's Babar Azam.
 
Amjid Javed said:
If the club had any sense they would be looking at new captain for next season.

Also an upgrade in midfield on him. No other club would take this guy on the 240K wages that he's on.
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Absolutely. Time to bin Ode this summer?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Excellent achievement and deserved .

PSG are different and stronger imo but could also lose big away .

@Mamoon CL 🏆 In the bag ? 😐
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PSG are just there two full backs

Arsenal beating this side will give them all the confidence

Villa ran them all the way
 
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