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Asia Cup 2025: India vs Pakistan | Final | Dubai | September 28 | Pre-Match Discussion

Mamoon said:
I don’t think so, I believe all three including Surya will get a fine.
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Only Rauf and Surya will get a fine, Farhan has done nothing but celebrate his personal achievement in a manner that has been done before, some even celebrate with imaginary arrows.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Who is there more pressure on PAK when no one expects them to win and when they have already lost to India twice? Pressure will be on India to make it 3/3 and beat a team that has now gotten a good idea of how their batters and bowlers operate
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India's problem is mostly going to be form of certain players rather than pressure. They know what pressure is. Axar patel came in at 34/3 in world cup final made 47 in 31 balls before being run out. Then Dube came in at 106/4 and made 27 in 16 balls. These two are not even regular main batsmen. They know about pressure.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Who is there more pressure on PAK when no one expects them to win and when they have already lost to India twice? Pressure will be on India to make it 3/3 and beat a team that has now gotten a good idea of how their batters and bowlers operate
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Because of the outside noise.

If this was 2016 or 2018 - that would be a different thing.
 
Obaidd said:
So many references to ‘law of averages’, it’s a myth, a fallacy, not real.

Indian posters referencing it repeatedly goes on to show the momentum has certainly shifted and they are already looking for excuses.
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More due to not understanding what "law of averages" is.
 
PakPremi said:
Only Rauf and Surya will get a fine, Farhan has done nothing but celebrate his personal achievement in a manner that has been done before, some even celebrate with imaginary arrows.
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Haris told referee that the gesture he made means nothing he just made it, and asked referee if he know what it means and referee told him he does not, and the other ICC representative denied too. Farhan told them we are pathan and we celebrate with guns lol.
 
India should feel confident - Pakistan had probably one of their worst batting performances ever in a t20.

Come on Indians - don’t be defeated just yet! 🤣
 
Pakistan v India in tournament finals:

Pakistan 8-4 India

1985 Benson & Hedges World Championship: India won by 8 wickets
1986 Austral-Asia Cup: Pakistan won by 1 wicket
1991 Wills Trophy: Pakistan won by 72 runs
1994 Austral-Asia Cup: Pakistan won by 39 runs
1998 Silver Jubilee Cup: India won best of 3 series 2-1
1999 Pepsi Cup: Pakistan won by 123 runs
1999 Coca Cola Cup: Pakistan won by 8 wickets
2007 World T20: India won by 5 runs
2008 Kiply Cup: Pakistan won by 25 runs
2017 Champions Trophy: Pakistan won by 180 runs
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Pakistan v India in tournament finals:

Pakistan 8-4 India

1985 Benson & Hedges World Championship: India won by 8 wickets
1986 Austral-Asia Cup: Pakistan won by 1 wicket
1991 Wills Trophy: Pakistan won by 72 runs
1994 Austral-Asia Cup: Pakistan won by 39 runs
1998 Silver Jubilee Cup: India won best of 3 series 2-1
1999 Pepsi Cup: Pakistan won by 123 runs
1999 Coca Cola Cup: Pakistan won by 8 wickets
2007 World T20: India won by 5 runs
2008 Kiply Cup: Pakistan won by 25 runs
2017 Champions Trophy: Pakistan won by 180 runs
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Coca cola , Pepsi kiply 🤣🤣🤣. What an achivement.

Only worth remembering is World championship , champion trophy and World T20 final

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Coca cola , Pepsi kiply 🤣🤣🤣. What an achivement.

Only worth remembering is World championship , champion trophy and World T20 final

:kp
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If you dont know about austral asia cup than you shouldnt be talking on indpak here
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They are reduced to celebrating 1 ball encounter, 2 ball encounter lol Heck Bumrah smacked 29 runs in one over of Stuart Broad in a test match holding a world record. Imagine the celebration these guys would be doing for that.
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Hes been hit for 6x6 as well.

Broad isn't an untouchable claimed like you guys do with your jokers
 
hks222 said:
Hes been hit for 6x6 as well.

Broad isn't an untouchable claimed like you guys do with your jokers
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Broad didn't play much of T20. I am talking about Test match dummy where he has 500 plus wickets. Nobody is giong to trivialize Broad because of that one over like you are doing about Kuldeep even though he has owned your ilk time and again in all formats.
 
hks222 said:
Isn't kuldeep same guy who got smoked for two sixes against us in last match in an over?
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hahahahha look at the pak arrogance. celebrating random stuff.

he is the same guy who has destroyed pak in EVERY match in his career.

and even in this match he ended with 1/31 with an ER of 7.7 compared to what pak spinners were hit for lol. he along with dube and varun halted pak.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Broad didn't play much of T20. I am talking about Test match dummy where he has 500 plus wickets. Nobody is giong to trivialize Broad because of that one over like you are doing about Kuldeep even though he has owned your ilk time and again in all formats.
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He was on his last legs anyways.

Nvm - Kuldeep isn't untouchable of all people.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They are reduced to celebrating 1 ball encounter, 2 ball encounter lol Heck Bumrah smacked 29 runs in one over of Stuart Broad in a test match holding a world record. Imagine the celebration these guys would be doing for that.
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lol they celebrate shaheen and fakhar for their one performance - and they have apparently performed against india lol

and they ask who is kuldeep lol

even in this game kuldeep was solid on a flat pitch.
 
hks222 said:
He was on his last legs anyways.

Nvm - Kuldeep isn't untouchable of all people.
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Kuldeep is not untouchable. Heck even Afghanistan has done way way better than Pakistan against Kuldeep. Kuldeep's ER in T20 against Afghanistan is 9.00. Kuldeep's ER in T20 againts pakistan is 6.12. Your team is no good against spin. You struggled against oman, UAE, Afghan all kind of spinners. It doen't have to be kuldeep.
 
saimayubera said:
lol they celebrate shaheen and fakhar for their one performance - and they have apparently performed against india lol

and they ask who is kuldeep lol

even in this game kuldeep was solid on a flat pitch.
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There are a lot of practical pakistan fans who keep their expectations realistic. But some hardcore fans don't rate their chances based on their world standing, but based on one ball encounter, two ball encounter. They always go overboard with these one over battle, one ball battle while missing the bigger picture. What will these fans do in the world cup when they get beat down from bigger teams? This is a hit and giggle format where anyone can win against any team. Even here they have a record of 0-7 against India. Zimbabwe beat this current Indian team defending 111 runs. Afghanistan tied with this Indian team before losing in super over. Do you see any of them going overboard?
 
I saw some where that this is the first Asia cup final for Pakistan. It's surprising.

How ,many Asia cups have happened and how come Pakistan did not reach finals anytime in past?
 
SKY Axar and Sanju’s batting are weak links.

They need to fire up, esp SKY all talk and no performance for him.

Hoping Dube clicks as well, and have to hold catches, I understand floodlights and stuff but figure it out.
 
Buffet said:
I saw some where that this is the first Asia cup final for Pakistan. It's surprising.

How ,many Asia cups have happened and how come Pakistan did not reach finals anytime in past?
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This is the first Asia Cup final between India and Pakistan. Pakistan has played in several previous finals and has won twice. :kp
 
Buffet said:
I saw some where that this is the first Asia cup final for Pakistan. It's surprising.

How ,many Asia cups have happened and how come Pakistan did not reach finals anytime in past?
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First for India vs Pakistan, Pakistan has won it twice
 
Buffet said:
I saw some where that this is the first Asia cup final for Pakistan. It's surprising.

How ,many Asia cups have happened and how come Pakistan did not reach finals anytime in past?
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We've won it twice. Lost a few finals v SL too.
 
One set of fans are going to avoid the forum on Sunday lol , there will be a massive drop in traffic on one side .
 
JaDed said:
First for India vs Pakistan, Pakistan has won it twice
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Oh, so it's first for these two to play in finals. That's better but still surprising.

Given SL, Ind and Pak were just three serious teams in Asia for a long time it's surpirsing that it's the first finals for them.
 
Buffet said:
Oh, so it's first for these two to play in finals. That's better but still surprising.

Given SL, Ind and Pak were just three serious teams in Asia for a long time it's surpirsing that it's the first finals for them.
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Bangladesh has created upsets in Asia cup since 2012, Lanka historically was a stronger Asia cup team.
 
For PCT to win they need to get Abhishek and target Kuldeep, for India to win we need SKY and Axar to step up, everyone else will just be a surprise.
 
Different between india and pakistan

Pakistan needs just one win to celebrate for years, while India must win every time to keep things normal.

:kp
 
JaDed said:
For PCT to win they need to get Abhishek and target Kuldeep, for India to win we need SKY and Axar to step up, everyone else will just be a surprise.
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We need to use spin early versus Abhishek.

He likes pace on.
 
Buffet said:
I saw some where that this is the first Asia cup final for Pakistan. It's surprising.

How ,many Asia cups have happened and how come Pakistan did not reach finals anytime in past?
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Pakistan defeated Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in 2000 and 2012 finals.
 
List Of All Asia Cup Finals (ODI and T20I):

1984: India (Winner) defeated Sri Lanka (Runner-up) in a round-robin format (no final match).
1986: Sri Lanka (Winner) defeated Pakistan (Runner-up) by 5 wickets.
1988: India (Winner) defeated Sri Lanka (Runner-up) by 6 wickets.
1990/91: India (Winner) defeated Sri Lanka (Runner-up) by 7 wickets.
1995: India (Winner) defeated Sri Lanka (Runner-up) by 8 wickets.
1997: Sri Lanka (Winner) defeated India (Runner-up) by 8 wickets.
2000: Pakistan (Winner) defeated Sri Lanka (Runner-up) by 39 runs.
2004: Sri Lanka (Winner) defeated India (Runner-up) by 25 runs.
2008: Sri Lanka (Winner) defeated India (Runner-up) by 100 runs.
2010: India (Winner) defeated Sri Lanka (Runner-up) by 81 runs.
2012: Pakistan (Winner) defeated Bangladesh (Runner-up) by 2 runs.
2014: Sri Lanka (Winner) defeated Pakistan (Runner-up) by 5 wickets.
2016 (T20I format): India (Winner) defeated Bangladesh (Runner-up) by 8 wickets.
2018: India (Winner) defeated Bangladesh (Runner-up) by 3 wickets.
2022 (T20I format): Sri Lanka (Winner) defeated Pakistan (Runner-up) by 23 runs.
2023: India (Winner) defeated Sri Lanka (Runner-up) by 10 wickets.

Most Successful Teams (as of 2023):
India: 8 Titles
Sri Lanka: 6 Titles
Pakistan: 2 Titles
 
JaDed said:
For PCT to win they need to get Abhishek and target Kuldeep, for India to win we need SKY and Axar to step up, everyone else will just be a surprise.
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I think Bumrah will be fired up as well with a point to prove after receiving a pasting in the last Pak game
 
Last sunday was terrible as there were too many irrelevant posts, hopefully its better this sunday and more focus oon the game.
 
battler said:
I think Bumrah will be fired up as well with a point to prove after receiving a pasting in the last Pak game
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Hope he performs as well but PcT has been lucky with random performances against Bumrah.. Kuldeep somehow has been historically better.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Pakistan v India in tournament finals:

Pakistan 8-4 India

1985 Benson & Hedges World Championship: India won by 8 wickets
1986 Austral-Asia Cup: Pakistan won by 1 wicket
1991 Wills Trophy: Pakistan won by 72 runs
1994 Austral-Asia Cup: Pakistan won by 39 runs
1998 Silver Jubilee Cup: India won best of 3 series 2-1
1999 Pepsi Cup: Pakistan won by 123 runs
1999 Coca Cola Cup: Pakistan won by 8 wickets
2007 World T20: India won by 5 runs
2008 Kiply Cup: Pakistan won by 25 runs
2017 Champions Trophy: Pakistan won by 180 runs
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It's interesting that despite India having upper hand on Pakistan off late. They lose more to Pakistan in the Final matches.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Kuldeep is not untouchable. Heck even Afghanistan has done way way better than Pakistan against Kuldeep. Kuldeep's ER in T20 against Afghanistan is 9.00. Kuldeep's ER in T20 againts pakistan is 6.12. Your team is no good against spin. You struggled against oman, UAE, Afghan all kind of spinners. It doen't have to be kuldeep.
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Well actually this is true. Pak are hopeless against spin. Any kind of spin. We crumble even in front of Pie chuckers like that Pawar guy 20 years ago or Nathan Hauritz.

But I wonder if the dew factor comes into it if India are bowling second. Might not grip the ball. Never the less for a no 1 team against a no7 team the writing would appear to be on the wall.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Pakistan v India in tournament finals:

Pakistan 8-4 India

1985 Benson & Hedges World Championship: India won by 8 wickets
1986 Austral-Asia Cup: Pakistan won by 1 wicket
1991 Wills Trophy: Pakistan won by 72 runs
1994 Austral-Asia Cup: Pakistan won by 39 runs
1998 Silver Jubilee Cup: India won best of 3 series 2-1
1999 Pepsi Cup: Pakistan won by 123 runs
1999 Coca Cola Cup: Pakistan won by 8 wickets
2007 World T20: India won by 5 runs
2008 Kiply Cup: Pakistan won by 25 runs
2017 Champions Trophy: Pakistan won by 180 runs
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I believe Pak won more finals than what is listed here. Where are those gutkha, pan-masala, slim shady cup, Sharjah match fixing cup etc.?
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Pak are known as cornered tigers. Won a close game against bdesh. Reminiscing ct17 finals and other uae series which they used to win so often against India in 90s
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Record is 8-2
They never won crap in Asia cup event their best in 90s

Pak kings of winning meaningless kiptley cup Pepsi cup etc.

Even at their pomp they lost all icc matches in 90s to India.
 
kron said:
Record is 8-2
They never won crap in Asia cup event their best in 90s

Pak kings of winning meaningless kiptley cup Pepsi cup etc.

Even at their pomp they lost all icc matches in 90s to India.
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41 years. Won a grand total of 2 Asia cups by Pakistan.
 
Many congratulations to my Pakistani forum mates and esteemed friends on reaching the final after overcoming early setbacks and close encounters against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. This achievement shows that despite a difficult recent phase, Pakistan remains the second-best team in Asia.

The final promises to be a challenging contest for India, who have won the last eight international matches against Pakistan. The law of averages does not favor India here, and just as in the 2017 Champions Trophy, a slip in the final cannot be ruled out despite India being the stronger side overall.

What a win in the final would mean for Pakistan:
• Above all, it would restore national and cricketing pride after the regrettable unsportsmanlike actions of the ICT during the Asia Cup.
• It would provide a significant boost at a time when interest in the game has dropped a bit due to the absence of superstars and a long spell of poor results. Such a win could mark the beginning of a turnaround, giving both the coaching staff and younger players greater confidence and security to perform.
• It would also reaffirm the rivalry with India at a time when some in India have sought to downplay its significance.

What a win in the final would mean for India:
• Securing an unprecedented 3-0 record over Pakistan in a single tournament, ending with the trophy would underline India’s complete dominance over Pakistan and the rest of Asia.
• It would be the team’s third trophy in just 18 months, placing this run among the most successful streaks in cricketing history.

In the end, I hope for a competitive final where both sides focus on playing positive, quality cricket above all else.

I urge match watchers and fellow forum members to display a high degree of sportsmanship spirit while exchanges their thoughts on this match without getting needlessly emotional and disrespectful to the other country and group of fans. This is sports. It’s not war. We had that in May which we fought bravely.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Many congratulations to my Pakistani forum mates and esteemed friends on reaching the final after overcoming early setbacks and close encounters against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. This achievement shows that despite a difficult recent phase, Pakistan remains the second-best team in Asia.

The final promises to be a challenging contest for India, who have won the last eight international matches against Pakistan. The law of averages does not favor India here, and just as in the 2017 Champions Trophy, a slip in the final cannot be ruled out despite India being the stronger side overall.

What a win in the final would mean for Pakistan:
• Above all, it would restore national and cricketing pride after the regrettable unsportsmanlike actions of the ICT during the Asia Cup.
• It would provide a significant boost at a time when interest in the game has dropped a bit due to the absence of superstars and a long spell of poor results. Such a win could mark the beginning of a turnaround, giving both the coaching staff and younger players greater confidence and security to perform.
• It would also reaffirm the rivalry with India at a time when some in India have sought to downplay its significance.

What a win in the final would mean for India:
• Securing an unprecedented 3-0 record over Pakistan in a single tournament, ending with the trophy would underline India’s complete dominance over Pakistan and the rest of Asia.
• It would be the team’s third trophy in just 18 months, placing this run among the most successful streaks in cricketing history.

In the end, I hope for a competitive final where both sides focus on playing positive, quality cricket above all else.

I urge match watchers and fellow forum members to display a high degree of sportsmanship spirit while exchanges their thoughts on this match without getting needlessly emotional and disrespectful to the other country and group of fans. This is sports. It’s not war. We had that in May which we fought bravely.
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They will never ever win a t20 WC in their life ever again. As long as India plays cricket.
 
Ummii said:
Why I am having that champions trophy 2017 final feeling?
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Let me give you some reality check. India dropped Ashwin/Jadeja after that brought Kuldeep/Chahal back.

Since then

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