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Australia v Pakistan | 1st Test | Brisbane | Dec 15-19, 2016 | Day 3

Third Man said:
Why yasir isn't changing the angle to the lefties is beyond me.
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Trying to dry up runs and frustrate the Aussie batsman. This strategy wd only work if we had runs on the board and it was Australia doing the catching up. It's preposterous to say the least. I think King Misbah is finally down and out for a count. Though I m a huge fan of him but I don't see much left in those broad shoulders and it's finally time for him to call it a day.
 
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Like YK, I have a suggestion for Khwaja - take a temporary retirement before IND tour. He is not reading Azhar's top spinner on Gabba wicket!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
shaaik said:
Trying to dry up runs and frustrate the Aussie batsman. This strategy wd only work if we had runs on the board and it was Australia doing the catching up. It's preposterous to say the least. I think King Misbah is finally down and out for a count. Though I m a huge fan of him but I don't see much left in those broad shoulders and it's finally time for him to call it a day.
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Are you sure that's a good idea? Any given day, I'll take a 52 years old Misbah as Captain than 32 years old Azhar.
 
Paying the price for not respecting the conditions.

Choosing a team for the UAE without the players with the skills needed in Australia.

And not picking a combination adapted to Day/Night conditions here.

And Misbah and Younis both look older than 43.

The thing is, the nature of the spanking only strengthens the claims of the Three Unforgiven - Asif, Butt and Umar Akmal.
 
MMHS said:
Are you sure that's a good idea? Any given day, I'll take a 52 years old Misbah as Captain than 32 years old Azhar.
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Well I think we have to see past Azhar Ali and make a bold decision. If u r going to bring him in the team as an opener why want give the captaincy to him too. He shd some good leadership skills for the brief period he led us in those 5 test matches. U know who I m referring to otherwise sarfaraz is the next best option u hv.
 
MMHS said:
Are you sure that's a good idea? Any given day, I'll take a 52 years old Misbah as Captain than 32 years old Azhar.
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Six more days of this at Melbourne and Sydney and Misbah and Younis will be humiliated into retirement and you will end up with a 32 year old Salman Butt as captain.

Even I don't want that. But I'm expecting it now.
 
Junaids said:
Paying the price for not respecting the conditions.

Choosing a team for the UAE without the players with the skills needed in Australia.

And not picking a combination adapted to Day/Night conditions here.

And Misbah and Younis both look older than 43.

The thing is, the nature of the spanking only strengthens the claims of the Three Unforgiven - Asif, Butt and Umar Akmal.
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It was so dumb to choose the same team that lost 2-0 Spinelessly against NZ!!!

According to Reports Misbah urged Inzamam to keep the same squad.
 
Guys I just had a daydream, pak will be 50/1 tonight, will end tomorrow at 290/4 and will win match in last session on day 5 scoring 505/6, so don't go anywhere , the greatest ever chase is about to begin.
 
Junaids said:
Paying the price for not respecting the conditions.

Choosing a team for the UAE without the players with the skills needed in Australia.

And not picking a combination adapted to Day/Night conditions here.

And Misbah and Younis both look older than 43.

The thing is, the nature of the spanking only strengthens the claims of the Three Unforgiven - Asif, Butt and Umar Akmal.
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One hasn't bowled in an international match for last 6 years.

Another hasn't scored a domestic first class hundred for well over 2 years.

The third averages 26 outside of Asia.

But they are the one's we need to suddenly magically have the "Expecto Patronum" Effect.
 
Zeshan547 said:
Guys I just had a daydream, pak will be 50/1 tonight, will end tomorrow at 290/4 and will win match in last session on day 5 scoring 505/6, so don't go anywhere , the greatest ever chase is about to begin.
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And you're about to get a reality check.
 
Junaids said:
Six more days of this at Melbourne and Sydney and Misbah and Younis will be humiliated into retirement and you will end up with a 32 year old Salman Butt as captain.

Even I don't want that. But I'm expecting it now.
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Salman Butt wouldn't end up captain of Pakistan even at gunpoint.

I don't know you entertain your own fantasies.
 
Zeshan547 said:
Guys I just had a daydream, pak will be 50/1 tonight, will end tomorrow at 290/4 and will win match in last session on day 5 scoring 505/6, so don't go anywhere , the greatest ever chase is about to begin.
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Never heard of an unrealistic dream as this before . Do u usually get these sort of dreams ?
 
Junaids said:
Six more days of this at Melbourne and Sydney and Misbah and Younis will be humiliated into retirement and you will end up with a 32 year old Salman Butt as captain.

Even I don't want that. But I'm expecting it now.
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Salman won't even get selected let alone be made captain.
 
Zeshan547 said:
Guys I just had a daydream, pak will be 50/1 tonight, will end tomorrow at 290/4 and will win match in last session on day 5 scoring 505/6, so don't go anywhere , the greatest ever chase is about to begin.
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You mean the team who scored 150 in 60 overs is going to score 500 in 200 overs?
 
Shouldnt blame misbah here. He deserved to retire at a high after england. He was pressurised to continue by fools.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
One hasn't bowled in an international match for last 6 years.

Another hasn't scored a domestic first class hundred for well over 2 years.

The third averages 26 outside of Asia.

But they are the one's we need to suddenly magically have the "Expecto Patronum" Effect.
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I owe you and the other Denialists a vote of thanks.

My arguments for the reinstatement of Asif, Butt and Umar Akmal were systematically blocked. And then Asif and Butt proved on national TV in the QEA Final that I had been right all along.

But all that you have done is ensure that not only are they going to have to be selected after Sydney, Salman Butt is going to be the skipper by Easter.

The Denial of their ability and Denial that Misbah and Younis were finished and the Denial that Azhar and Shafiq are mediocre and the Denial that Sohail and Imran are mediocre has done this.

So thanks very much.
 
Wahab has to be the most overrated Pakistani bowler ever. Amir and rest are ahead of him in several areas.

He also lacks a bowling brain which has come under scrutiny several times.

And people still keep talking about his spell in the world cup against Watto where he didn't get Watto out either and the opposition won the match easily, with like 10 overs to spare. I am sure Junaid Khan is a better option. He has shown great control over the yorker as well in the BPL.
 
Waqar is saying they are going to try UAE approach in 2nd innings :)))
 
Declare already. Want to see babar bat and score a double hundered.
 
If Pakistan tries to block everything in 2nd innings like Waqar is saying they will do, they will flop again.
 
Junaids said:
Six more days of this at Melbourne and Sydney and Misbah and Younis will be humiliated into retirement and you will end up with a 32 year old Salman Butt as captain.

Even I don't want that. But I'm expecting it now.
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It'll never happen boss - Butt will never be PAK Captain, you can wait for that rest of your life. In fact, I am not sure, if he will ever play for PAK as long as SK is there.

In terms of retirement of Misbah - he might call it a day, but not humiliated (sacked), rather he might step down at this age. Otherwise, if he wishes, Misbah will continue till 2018 - we can debate if it's good or bad, but the reality is Misbah's legacy wasn't created in a Day. You can bash him for his "stability" or UAE tricks, but I don't find any problem in that - I would have done same, that's take the maximum advantage of a given situation. PCB is bot, so they have allowed Captain to build a team with 4 pacers over 35 & a left arm spinner around 45 with couple of batsmen either side of 40. Misbah couldn't have done anything had PCB phased out players in last 3 years or have forced UAE groundsmen to put more bounce & grass on the track. You can blame the PCB leadership & their CSs (& their superstar Coach as well), but can't put every sh!t on Misbah's head - I am one who makes lots of fun of his tactics, but here I am with him - he did exactly what was best for PAK Test team, given the context.

Regarding YK - he won't retire, neither PCB'll drop him. He'll probably tour WI as well & play his last Test against us.
 
Junaids said:
I owe you and the other Denialists a vote of thanks.

My arguments for the reinstatement of Asif, Butt and Umar Akmal were systematically blocked. And then Asif and Butt proved on national TV in the QEA Final that I had been right all along.

But all that you have done is ensure that not only are they going to have to be selected after Sydney, Salman Butt is going to be the skipper by Easter.

The Denial of their ability and Denial that Misbah and Younis were finished and the Denial that Azhar and Shafiq are mediocre and the Denial that Sohail and Imran are mediocre has done this.

So thanks very much.
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Do you even believe why you say

Asif was poor in the final after the first session

Do you realise that there were ELEVEN other sessions in the QeA final where Asif did jack!
 
MMHS said:
He is one of the best ever hand-eye coordinated batsman, like Sehwag. At this age, he is at his prime, but I doubt his durability - he'll fade away much earlier than other 3 once his eye, reflex & coordination crosses 30/31. Viv Richards was something like this - averaged just about 44 in 80s, after over 65 before he reached 30 & that excludes his stats against WSC bowlers.
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Yup I do think he will be the first one to fade among the four because of his hand eye coordination game. Probably with players with hand eye coordination is that they decline rapidly as they lose their reflexes and will look very ugly when they start to struggle. Still is doing a great job at present though and arguably the best test batsman right now. I don't think KW is dominant enough, it will probably be Virat and Root who will end up as the Sachin-Lara of this generation.
 
I too hope and wish Salman butt is never made captain again, but in Pakistan keep in your mind forever that "never say never" to anything literally.
 
Maddinson has an average of 36 in FC. And is playing tests for Aus. Realitu check for people questioning babar's FC stats.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
If Pakistan tries to block everything in 2nd innings like Waqar is saying they will do, they will flop again.
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You are misrepresenting his words here clearly

He's not encouraging it by any means

The point is that it's a tactic that they've used before
 
Slog said:
You are misrepresenting his words here clearly

He's not encouraging it by any means

The point is that it's a tactic that they've used before
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He categorically said it " this is what they should do I guess ".
 
shaaik said:
I just can't believe that this guy was our head coach for good 4-5 yrs.
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No he wasn't.

He was coach for less than 4 years in two different spells

And drew you a series against Australia in England, won a series in New Zealand, won away to SL even though stronger sides had lost their multiple times in previous years and to top it smashed pretty much everyone in UAE (asides from NZ)
 
Handscomb is a good find for Australia.

He will play all formats soon.
 
shaaik said:
He categorically said it " this is what they should do I guess ".
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Due to the whole pink ball phenomenon and the utter helplessness he is just suggesting that this is maybe what they are capable of st best
 
Ab Fan said:
Smith seems like more of a machine than a human..
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Kohli and Smith are in a league of their own, both are starting to breakaway and maintain even 80% of this for the next 5 years will be sure shot ATG's of the game. Even Root can't compete with them, he may be more talented than Smith but he rarely goes on with his stars and make the big match running tons.
 
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Slog said:
You are misrepresenting his words here clearly

He's not encouraging it by any means

The point is that it's a tactic that they've used before
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Let me tell you exactly how the conversation went.

Waqar, how do you feel Pakistan will bat in the 2nd innings.

Waqar: Yes, i had a talk with the boys the day before, and they will try the UAE approach because it has worked for them before.

They felt they chased after balls they shouldn't have, and if they can keep their temperament, and if there's hopefully some rain Pakistan can draw this.

Commentator : But they can't afford to get bogged down, because they go nowhere.


Now where did Waqar not encourage it? He wants them to play UAE style and hope for rain.
 
Aman said:
Kohli and Smith are in a league of their own, both are starting to breakaway and if they maintain even 80% of this for the next 5 years, they will be sure shot ATG's of the game. Even Root can't compete with them, he may be more talented than Smith, but he rarely goes on with his starts and scores the big match running tons.
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Fixed.
 
Slog said:
No he wasn't.

He was coach for less than 4 years in two different spells

And drew you a series against Australia in England, won a series in New Zealand, won away to SL even though stronger sides had lost their multiple times in previous years and to top it smashed pretty much everyone in UAE (asides from NZ)
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So was it all down to him. When u listen to him in the commentary you get a fair idea about his mind set. The guy doesn't come across as a good strategist. That's my assessment of him after having listened to him for little over 5 yrs. Gosh even Rashid lateef makes better sense than him. Aamir Sohail is your best brain from the 90s era but his rebellious attitude keeps him away from pcb which is a shame to be honest.
 
Australia is looking to hit some quick runs. They should at least 550. No way we are chasing that unless openers build a big partnership. We have time on our side though.
 
Junaids said:
I owe you and the other Denialists a vote of thanks.

My arguments for the reinstatement of Asif, Butt and Umar Akmal were systematically blocked. And then Asif and Butt proved on national TV in the QEA Final that I had been right all along.

But all that you have done is ensure that not only are they going to have to be selected after Sydney, Salman Butt is going to be the skipper by Easter.

The Denial of their ability and Denial that Misbah and Younis were finished and the Denial that Azhar and Shafiq are mediocre and the Denial that Sohail and Imran are mediocre has done this.

So thanks very much.
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I won't go about who is what, but stop making bully out of QA scores. Now I am sure that apart from CricketArchive stats, you know nothing about PAK domestic cricket or structure, which has a factor in the stats. By the logic you are asking inclusion of Butt (I explained his batting, but not for his duel hundred) & Asif - in that yard stick, Fawad should have played 100 Tests by now & Sadaf, Asad Ali at least 50 each - just few to mention. Check Kashif's all-round stats, or Hammad's bowling stats & above all, check the ability of Tanvir & Bilawal based on QA stats.

Butt as a Captain might be the best choice, but he shouldn't be Captain, in fact why he is not the Captain instead of Misbah, Azhar & Sarfy in 3 formats; you know better than anyone here, for the amount of research you have done. All the records that Misbah holds as Captain, could have been Butt's, in fact better than Misbah, for that he won't have allowed the ZIMBOK or WI win a Test against PAK - add to that, probably the New Lands Test as well; but, Salman Butt as Captain is past by it's date.
 
Aman said:
Kohli and Smith are in a league of their own, both are starting to breakaway and maintain even 80% of this for the next 5 years will be sure shot ATG's of the game. Even Root can't compete with them, he may be more talented than Smith but he rarely goes on with his stars and make the big match running tons.
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Yeah, Root has more talent but he doesn't give the assurance that once you get set, you will go on and make it count like Smith and Kohli does.
 
What is Smith scared off? Declare it already. You have the chance to get 4 or 5 before the end of day.
 
street cricketer said:
Yup I do think he will be the first one to fade among the four because of his hand eye coordination game. Probably with players with hand eye coordination is that they decline rapidly as they lose their reflexes and will look very ugly when they start to struggle. Still is doing a great job at present though and arguably the best test batsman right now. I don't think KW is dominant enough, it will probably be Virat and Root who will end up as the Sachin-Lara of this generation.
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Any one is welcome to fade away after around 75 International hundreds - most of those in winning effort.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Let me tell you exactly how the conversation went.

Waqar, how do you feel Pakistan will bat in the 2nd innings.

Waqar: Yes, i had a talk with the boys the day before, and they will try the UAE approach because it has worked for them before.

They felt they chased after balls they shouldn't have, and if they can keep their temperament, and if there's hopefully some rain Pakistan can draw this.

Commentator : But they can't afford to get bogged down, because they go nowhere.


Now where did Waqar not encourage it? He wants them to play UAE style and hope for rain.
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How the heck is that encouraging :))

From this transcript it seems to be totally the 'boys' decision with approval from coach and captain.

What did you want Waqar to say? Ask them to not do it. He's not the coach anymore. It's not his job to change their approach.

At most he can maybe give tips to bowlera but influencing team strategy is a no go
 
shaaik said:
So was it all down to him. When u listen to him in the commentary you get a fair idea about his mind set. The guy doesn't come across as a good strategist. That's my assessment of him after having listened to him for little over 5 yrs. Gosh even Rashid lateef makes better sense than him. Aamir Sohail is your best brain from the 90s era but his rebellious attitude keeps him away from pcb which is a shame to be honest.
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Rashid Larif is actually one of the great strategic minds on the 90s and 2000s

Lol at even Rashid latif
 
Slog said:
How the heck is that encouraging :))

From this transcript it seems to be totally the 'boys' decision with approval from coach and captain.

What did you want Waqar to say? Ask them to not do it. He's not the coach anymore. It's not his job to change their approach.

At most he can maybe give tips to bowlera but influencing team strategy is a no go
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I think he also said " this is how they should play ". Correct ne if I am wrong.
 
Slog said:
How the heck is that encouraging :))

From this transcript it seems to be totally the 'boys' decision with approval from coach and captain.

What did you want Waqar to say? Ask them to not do it. He's not the coach anymore. It's not his job to change their approach.

At most he can maybe give tips to bowlera but influencing team strategy is a no go
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He can easily say what the commentator was saying, that he doesn't think that their approach is right, but that's what they have decided.

He was endorsing this approach by not saying anything against it.

Even the commentator had to say "But, they can't get bogged down", because he was in favor of this approach and rain to draw the match.
 
Smith should declare at Dinner.. no point batting on, they will lose overs at the change over.

With tomorrow likely rained out and considering the rate Pakistan bat, there is almost zero chance Pakistan will chase 490.
 
Zohaib Shah said:
Australia will declare after they get 500
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And Pakistan will suddenly master the lights, the swing, the Australian bowling and caress themselves to a win in Brisbane where no team has won for 28 years.
 
As a Commi/analyst - Waquar's biggest weakness is his lack of English vocabulary.

He has learned his English from his County days, hence his accent is far better than his quality of words; but his stock of words are extremely limited & he can't construct proper sentences because he has learned the colloquial language from peers, not from reading habits. He even struggles to explain a simple thing for which, he actually know the appropriate English word, but just not habituated to use that. Just a bit reading habit can improve his case drastically - won't be Authers' level, but Bumble can be matched.
 
Slog said:
Rashid Larif is actually one of the great strategic minds on the 90s and 2000s

Lol at even Rashid latif
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You know when u listen to Rasheed Lateef in "Game on Hai " sometimes he makes some outrageous predictions about the match and u r like common it ain't happening and then you see things unfolding exactly the same way he had predicted them you are in a bit of awe.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
And Pakistan will suddenly master the lights, the swing, the Australian bowling and caress themselves to a win in Brisbane where no team has won for 28 years.
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We must believe in our team. No point of being a fan if we don't believe.
 
MMHS said:
As a Commi/analyst - Waquar's biggest weakness is his lack of English vocabulary.

He has learned his English from his County days, hence his accent is far better than his quality of words; but his stock of words are extremely limited & he can't construct proper sentences because he has learned the colloquial language from peers, not from reading habits. He even struggles to explain a simple thing for which, he actually know the appropriate English word, but just not habituated to use that. Just a bit reading habit can improve his case drastically - won't be Authers' level, but Bumble can be matched.
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Bumble can be matched .. r u serious about that ?
 
It doesn't matter whether Rashid Latif or Waqar or even Dean Jones is a good analyst or not.

The point is "if you are encouraging the approach to dead-bat everything in Australia, you have no clue how to win in Australia or even survive".
 
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