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Centuries by Rohit Sharma (103) and Shubman Gill (110) take India to 473/8 at Stumps on Day 2 of the 5th Test, lead England by 255 runs

James said:
This is going to be a huge loss to round off a comprehensive series defeat. McCullum will be under pressure for the first time to take some tough decisions.

Broad perhaps retired a bit too early? But he’s done either way. It’s time to actively ditch some of these other players for England. Definitely Bairstow straight away even if he scores a pointless hundred in the second innings, and give Anderson a farewell home Test & his 700th wicket at the beginning of the summer then move him on as well.

I also think Foakes is at risk because he just doesn’t contribute enough with the bat. There are some promising wicketkeeper-batsmen waiting in the wings to debut, who will likely contribute more with the bat than Bairstow and Foakes as well as doing a good enough job with the gloves.

Mark Wood, they gave him a 3 year central contract — really? He will still feature at times I am sure, but he can only play a couple of Tests in each series.

Woakes has already been dropped for overseas assignments and will be a home specialist at best.

Lots of change around the corner.
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They should select and prepare now with the next Ashes in mind.

The occasional risky , high false shot percentage innings like Ollie Pope's 196 can be pulled off even on Indian turners but on Aussie wickets against their accurate high release pace attack , it's not feasible at all.
 
James said:
It’s the best batting pitch of the series, the sort of pitch where if England had batted first earlier in the series they might have performed better on it, but at this stage, it seems that they are mentally shot. When that’s happened, in international cricket it doesn’t matter what the pitch is playing like or how good it is — a team is going to get absolutely hammered.
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They want to be in London Sunday evening so that Stokes can announce '' we lost the Series but won Hearts '' , Brave forever :) . 262/1 & 61 overs left . Wonder if Rohit would declare at 500 ?
 
Devadwal said:
@shaz619 are you enjoying Bashir bowling?? He is now regretting for getting visa :kp
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England rookie spinners will struggle on good batting pitches only rank turner pitch make them lookalike murali kumble and Pakistani cricket fans make bv bashir like world beater
 
Nikhil_cric said:
England tad unlucky. This pitch wasn't this easy to bat on yesterday morning Moisture in the pitch created some bounce , grip and ripping turn(Crawley dismissal) on occasion.

India got to roll the pitch twice in just 30 overs and it's a bit warmer today and pitch is a flat beauty with ball coming on nicely.

Having said that, gulf in quality is a yawning chasm and there's nothing Stokes could have done to prevent an Indian win imo.

Feeling bad for Stokes. Just don't have the players/FC system to continuously perform at the level he wants.
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I wouldnt call England unlucky- they won the toss and elected to bat first fully knowing the conditions. Even then these conditions aren’t totally unfamiliar to them, it was just a bad application with both the bat and ball.

And Stokes is the last person anybody should feel sorry about. Poor captaincy throughout the series, unnecessarily made to cling on to bazball due to his own big mouth and to top it all a big liability for his own team.

In true Mamoon style, England deserves what they are getting :)
 
Dominant session for the hosts. We should take lead of 250-300 by end of day's play.
 
Mockingbird said:
I wouldnt call England unlucky- they won the toss and elected to bat first fully knowing the conditions. Even then these conditions aren’t totally unfamiliar to them, it was just a bad application with both the bat and ball.

And Stokes is the last person anybody should feel sorry about. Poor captaincy throughout the series, unnecessarily made to cling on to bazball due to his own big mouth and to top it all a big liability for his own team.

In true Mamoon style, England deserves what they are getting :)
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All said and done Indian bowling attack is FAR superior to England. 3 World Clas spinners and 1 ATG Indian pacer. Too much to handle.
 
Sheer dominance by the Indian batters on a pitch where England's batters failed badly. Superb from Gill and Rohit.

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Mockingbird said:
I wouldnt call England unlucky- they won the toss and elected to bat first fully knowing the conditions. Even then these conditions aren’t totally unfamiliar to them, it was just a bad application with both the bat and ball.

And Stokes is the last person anybody should feel sorry about. Poor captaincy throughout the series, unnecessarily made to cling on to bazball due to his own big mouth and to top it all a big liability for his own team.

In true Mamoon style, England deserves what they are getting :)
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Not in terms of his comments but you generally feel bad for English captains.

County simply does not produce the truly elite cricketers like , say, Shield cricket.

No approach or captaincy is going to make all that much of a difference .

Felt bad for Root too. His last year in charge, he had to play strong IND, NZ and OZ sides and they were hit by the bubble life as well.

At the end of the day, your domestic structure has to produce the goods and unless that changes , this is all futile .

Stokes fans blamed Root for everything and that was wrong. Now who will anyone blame ?

KP and others are absolutely right. Reform county to produce cricketers who can play a high level of sustainable, normal Test cricket.

Otherwise, you have to make compromises like this Bazball approach and then you have to take the good with the bad.
 
Tufnell’s (offline) punditry has been excellent this series. One of the few England experts who really seems to get it.
 
Gill has taken his average to 36. Rahul could have improved his average too but he got injured and has himself to blame.
 
Feel sorry for Bashir, the kid has been taken to the cleaners.. Quite surprised, expected him to do well considering how well he did last test match..
 
Nikhil_cric said:
England tad unlucky. This pitch wasn't this easy to bat on yesterday morning Moisture in the pitch created some bounce , grip and ripping turn(Crawley dismissal) on occasion.

India got to roll the pitch twice in just 30 overs and it's a bit warmer today and pitch is a flat beauty with ball coming on nicely.

Having said that, gulf in quality is a yawning chasm and there's nothing Stokes could have done to prevent an Indian win imo.

Feeling bad for Stokes. Just don't have the players/FC system to continuously perform at the level he wants.
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Lol at feeling bad for Stokes. Stokes himself is not performing at the level he wants others to perform. These are the same players who made Stokes Stokes.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Feel sorry for Bashir, the kid has been taken to the cleaners.. Quite surprised, expected him to do well considering how well he did last test match..
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Any rookie can take wickets in rank Turner and this India team not great against spinners
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Not in terms of his comments but you generally feel bad for English captains.

County simply does not produce the truly elite cricketers like , say, Shield cricket.

No approach or captaincy is going to make all that much of a difference .

Felt bad for Root too. His last year in charge, he had to play strong IND, NZ and OZ sides and they were hit by the bubble life as well.

At the end of the day, your domestic structure has to produce the goods and unless that changes , this is all futile .

Stokes fans blamed Root for everything and that was wrong. Now who will anyone blame ?

KP and others are absolutely right. Reform county to produce cricketers who can play a high level of sustainable, normal Test cricket.

Otherwise, you have to make compromises like this Bazball approach and then you have to take the good with the bad.
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County not producing good test cricketers is a known problem for many years now and is not unique to any particular captain. No better example than the fact that a mediocre player like Bairstow is playing his 100th test and they are still are not able to find a replacement for him!

The only person I feel bad for is Root - clearly he was made to buy into the Bazball hype and felt compelled to change his natural gameplan because of some motormouths.

Now that we all know that Bazball is not the ‘be all and end all’ of fantastic test cricket, it will be interesting to see if they tone it down for the Ashes or double down.
 
Mockingbird said:
County not producing good test cricketers is a known problem for many years now and is not unique to any particular captain. No better example than the fact that a mediocre player like Bairstow is playing his 100th test and they are still are not able to find a replacement for him!

The only person I feel bad for is Root - clearly he was made to buy into the Bazball hype and felt compelled to change his natural gameplan because of some motormouths.

Now that we all know that Bazball is not the ‘be all and end all’ of fantastic test cricket, it will be interesting to see if they tone it down for the Ashes or double down.
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Here is the thing. Bazball worked for a couple of guys. They should continue playing like that. Crawley was a dud player before this. So he shouldn't change his approach. It works for him. Even quick 40 is gold. Duckett is naturally a stroke player. He should continue too. Same with Bairstow who is not known for defense. Others should show more measured approach.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Here is the thing. Bazball worked for a couple of guys. They should continue playing like that. Crawley was a dud player before this. So he shouldn't change his approach. It works for him. Even quick 40 is gold. Duckett is naturally a stroke player. He should continue too. Same with Bairstow who is not known for defense. Others should show more measured approach.
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I agree and that is what I meant by toning down the approach by not making it a blanket approach. But Bairstow should not be anywhere close to this team - he has never been a red ball player.
 
Former England captain Sir Alastair Cook, speaking on TNT Sports:

"It went away from [England] yesterday and this is the icing on the cake for India.

"This is like 'we are shutting every door and locking it'. There is no way back into the game for England - they are making sure that is the case.

"In Test cricket it's a slow death and England are going to experience that over the next couple of days, you feel, unless something strange happens today."
 
Maybe they should study India. The home side has shown exactly how to score runs in the subcontinent, playing positively without being reckless.

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England assistant coach Marcus Trescothick last night after the tourists' latest batting collapse:

"We are a very unique side in how we go about things. I don't think we will study what India do too much."
 
If India does not get 450+, they need to seriously introspect. This has been a very loose series by the batters. And it has been for some time now.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Maybe they should study India. The home side has shown exactly how to score runs in the subcontinent, playing positively without being reckless.

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England assistant coach Marcus Trescothick last night after the tourists' latest batting collapse:

"We are a very unique side in how we go about things. I don't think we will study what India do too much."
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Just the ego talking.
 
WengerOut said:
If India does not get 450+, they need to seriously introspect. This has been a very loose series by the batters. And it has been for some time now.
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You can excuse them as they have a lot of debutants and players with low experience.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Maybe they should study India. The home side has shown exactly how to score runs in the subcontinent, playing positively without being reckless.

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England assistant coach Marcus Trescothick last night after the tourists' latest batting collapse:

"We are a very unique side in how we go about things. I don't think we will study what India do too much."
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Exactly the kind of arrogance that has led to their downfall this series.
 
This has been forgettable series for Jimmy too except for that 1 innings when he took a 5-for.
 
Ab Fan said:
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Rahul has done better than others in SENA like Dhawan, Agarwal etc which is why he is still in consideration. If you look at the list, you have Pant, Kohli, Pujara, Rahane, Rohit, Vijay ahead of him all of them have played over 50 tests.
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Yeah, better than Mayank and Dhawan. Big achievement.

These 2 could have their improved their stats too had they got as many tests (played 10 & 15 tests) to play as Rahul (21 tests) has.
 
WICKET! Rohit b Stokes 103 - India 275-2

BENJAMIN STOKES!

His first ball since July and he gets a wicket with it, cleaning up opposition skipper with an absolute peach.

Where have you been, Ben?
 
BouncerGuy said:
WICKET! Rohit b Stokes 103 - India 275-2

BENJAMIN STOKES!

His first ball since July and he gets a wicket with it, cleaning up opposition skipper with an absolute peach.

Where have you been, Ben?
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Stokes to Rohit, out Bowled!! BREAKING NEWS: England get their first wicket on day 2. Rohit b Stokes 103(162) [4s-13 6s-3]
 
Stokes has bowled really well this over, most potent English bowler this test.
 
Mockingbird said:
County not producing good test cricketers is a known problem for many years now and is not unique to any particular captain. No better example than the fact that a mediocre player like Bairstow is playing his 100th test and they are still are not able to find a replacement for him!

The only person I feel bad for is Root - clearly he was made to buy into the Bazball hype and felt compelled to change his natural gameplan because of some motormouths.

Now that we all know that Bazball is not the ‘be all and end all’ of fantastic test cricket, it will be interesting to see if they tone it down for the Ashes or double down.
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I hope Stokes doubles down
BouncerGuy said:
Maybe they should study India. The home side has shown exactly how to score runs in the subcontinent, playing positively without being reckless.

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England assistant coach Marcus Trescothick last night after the tourists' latest batting collapse:

"We are a very unique side in how we go about things. I don't think we will study what India do too much."
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Trescothick’s atttitude is what sunk the British empire (thankfully). Keep it up Marcus.
 
Gill gone. Ball is seaming/reversing enough. That ball that got Rohit was a damn tough ball to face.
 
Ab Fan said:
I can't think of anyone else who can hit match winning test hundreds in England and South Africa.
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Hard disagree. KL Rahul is the biggest mental midget around with all the talent he has. He should be winning India world cups and WTCs with the amount of talent and support he has received from every captain and coach. He is a sunk cost. Indian team should move on from him.
 
WICKET! Gill b Anderson 110 – India 279-3

AND ANOTHER!

The seamers are starring and both centurions are gone.

First Rohit bowled by Stokes and now Gill castled by Anderson, the latter down through the gate as the England pacer moves on to 699 Test wickets.
 
Gill scores 100 and gets out, he needs to develop ruthlessness and score big 100s. Highest score just 128.
 
Fantastic crowd, jolly atmosphere. So many English fans in the stadium, lovely to watch.

In fact I think crowds in all 5 tests have been brilliant, good for the health of test cricket.
 
Got to love Test cricket, the match situation is against England and already close to decisive but it’s very difficult not to get swept up in the excitement of Stokes returning to bowl and Anderson on the verge of 700 wickets with the ball reverse swinging.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Fantastic crowd, jolly atmosphere. So many English fans in the stadium, lovely to watch.

In fact I think crowds in all 5 tests have been brilliant, good for the health of test cricket.
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Crowd has been brilliant this entire tour. Wonder what happen during world cup?
 
Paddikal couldn’t have asked for a better situation to come to bat on debut. Hopefully he doesn’t do a Paridar here and blows his chances.
 
The angle with which Stokes bowl is very awkward for batsmen. He bowls wide of the stump, almost cross footed and ball leaves you at an angle very late. Slip fielders will always be in play when he is bowling.
 
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