Dassault delivers first Rafale to India

[Pete Rose]

In China, someone like Modi would have been publicly paraded on a donkey and hanged.

In India, fascists love him.

honest question. do you want to do a thread on Hinduism vs Hindutwa. I see a lot folks trying the explain the difference on twitter. Although I am not sure if i get it.

 

[rhony]

honest question. do you want to do a thread on Hinduism vs Hindutwa. I see a lot folks trying the explain the difference on twitter. Although I am not sure if i get it.

Hinduism is a way of life. It's not a religion as people think. The gods are typically everything that helps man in nature.

Hindutva is a nationalist political ideology that wants to establish the Hindu way of life. It's end goal is to collapse the fabric of secularism and make religion irrelevant with all citizens identifying themselves as Patriots for the nation's cause.

However, in recent times the silly issues like beef, conversion have hijacked the hindutva ideology.

 

[Pete Rose]

Hinduism is a way of life. It's not a religion as people think. The gods are typically everything that helps man in nature.

Hindutva is a nationalist political ideology that wants to establish the Hindu way of life. It's end goal is to collapse the fabric of secularism and make religion irrelevant with all citizens identifying themselves as Patriots for the nation's cause.

However, in recent times the silly issues like beef, conversion have hijacked the hindutva ideology.

Thanks this is very informative. I don’t have an issue with Hindutva as you describe it (illiberal democracies are propping up everywhere). But does this ideology leave room for minorities to be a part of society?

 

[Bhaijaan]

honest question. do you want to do a thread on Hinduism vs Hindutwa. I see a lot folks trying the explain the difference on twitter. Although I am not sure if i get it.

I would love to but maybe now is not the right time and many Pakistani friends like you who could really make good use of such a discussion might take me for a desperate cover up agent for Modi which i am not and never will be.

I think we can all understand each other here though. Just like classic Islam and Mullahcracy are totally different things, similarly Hinduism and Hindutva are. There are sane hindus like sane muslims who just want to practice their religion in private and make peace with the world. Then there are these politically motivated people who want to hold power but are not qualified. So playing the religion card becomes the most convenient way to gain support. That's what RSS/BJP do in India. While Congress's Nehruvian ideology attracts the sensible, BJP/RSS prey on the angry young man/uncle who thinks the nation is not moving ahead because of minorities, western media, intellectuals, critics, seculars etc. They read Mein Keiph (best seller in India), aspire India to become like Israel and have a leader like Hitler who can get things done with force and is ready to play dirty. Classic fascist thoughts basically which were just thoughts until 2014 happen. Luckily thanks to the internet, anti propaganda forces in this age have a voice, Modi has been badly exposed and his numbers will drop dramatically even if he retains power in 2019. He's never going to get numbers he got in 2014 due to a huge anti incumbency wave. So fascism in India is in its infant stage and will eventually die out. Just like Pakistan is beating Mullahcracy we will beat Hindutva in India.

All said that done, an open discussion must happen some day about muslims in India and why they are also responsible for where they are today. If sikhs can lift themselves and lead by example as a minority, so can muslims but they're not there.

 

[rhony]

Thanks this is very informative. I don’t have an issue with Hindutva as you describe it (illiberal democracies are propping up everywhere). But does this ideology leave room for minorities to be a part of society?

There is no minority. The enemies are those who act, speak against the nation. So, parts of free speech and democracy are in danger as well.

 

[the Great Khan]

Khan Sb. the s400 or for that matter its american equivalent are threats in conventional combat, not necessarily short excursions. We do a 3 to 5 minute sortie and they do about the same. Its a threat no doubt, but more in regular theater of war.

Depends where they deploy and how quickly they respond. I was talking about a larger conflaguration than the one we had but consider this. We simulated a full scale bombing mission against the enemy and they couldnt intercept us. Itw as a massive wake up call for them. Everyone seems to have forgotten teh original mission because of the shootings of the aircraft.

In future if they get the S400 it could prevent such missions but then again we will create measures to defeat it and Im sure the americans would be eager to know the results..By the way if the turks get the system our pilots will be flying against it during turkish airforce deputations and anatolian eagle excercises. China is also purchasing it so we will get plenty of practice!

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Here we go again. Wonder how many decades it will take to compete this deal?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India moved a step closer to inviting bids for the purchase of 114 fighter jets<a href="https://t.co/k537Pz6Pjz">https://t.co/k537Pz6Pjz</a></p>— Livemint (@livemint) <a href="https://twitter.com/livemint/status/1146652149658484736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Pakpak]

Here we go again. Wonder how many decades it will take to compete this deal?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India moved a step closer to inviting bids for the purchase of 114 fighter jets<a href="https://t.co/k537Pz6Pjz">https://t.co/k537Pz6Pjz</a></p>— Livemint (@livemint) <a href="https://twitter.com/livemint/status/1146652149658484736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wait, it wasn't done? What was this talk of them being inducted by September

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Wait, it wasn't done? What was this talk of them being inducted by September

The initial deal to buy 126 Rafale jets were scrapped by the Indian government as they couldn’t afford the increasing costs. To compensate somewhat for this they ordered 36 rafale jets and delivery of those will begin this year.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">France President Emmanuel Macron in Chantilly: The first Rafale aircraft will reach India by next month. <a href="https://t.co/AMCAPvX8CT">pic.twitter.com/AMCAPvX8CT</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1164612164247859200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Sir-fraz]

France delivers first Rafale fighter jet to India

France has delivered to India its first Rafale fighter jet from a series of 36 aircraft purchased in a multi-billion dollar deal in 2016.

Defence Minister Florence Parly and her Indian counterpart Rajnath Singh, who is on a three-day visit to France, attended a ceremony on Tuesday at aircraft maker Dassault Aviation facility in Merignac, southwestern France.

The ministers are also scheduled to hold talks on defence cooperation and security issues in the Indo-Pacific region.

The $8.78 billion deal sparked controversy in India last year with the main opposition Indian National Congress party accusing Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government of buying the aircraft at nearly three times the price being negotiated when it was the ruling party before Modi came to power in 2014. The government denied any wrongdoing.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1509725/france-delivers-first-rafale-fighter-jet-to-india

 

[Patriot]

A game changer for India. Now the most advanced jet in the subcontinent.

However, despite India now at an advantage, Pakistan’s strategy has always been on defence and not attack. So a potential conflict between India and Pakistan will always be in Pakistani territory and not in Indian airspace, which will give Pakistan the advantage.

 

[Amit2]

A game changer for India. Now the most advanced jet in the subcontinent.

However, despite India now at an advantage, Pakistan’s strategy has always been on defence and not attack. So a potential conflict between India and Pakistan will always be in Pakistani territory and not in Indian airspace, which will give Pakistan the advantage.

Then how will Pakistan take Kashmir?

 

[JaDed]

A game changer for India. Now the most advanced jet in the subcontinent.

However, despite India now at an advantage, Pakistan’s strategy has always been on defence and not attack. So a potential conflict between India and Pakistan will always be in Pakistani territory and not in Indian airspace, which will give Pakistan the advantage.

Really was Loc Kargil war in Pak territory?

 

[Patriot]

Then how will Pakistan take Kashmir?

It shouldn’t. Indian Kashmir is India’s to sort out. I have never agreed with the view that it belongs to Pakistan.

 

[JaDed]

Not like any minister is good in BJP Centre as such but Rajnath must be the most useless of the lot.

He is behaving as if he managed the project and delivered Rafael from HAL.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan has an inventory of F16s that it will never use and India now has this plain.

What a waste of money. Mightn’t as well purchase a thousand Mig 21s and they will still be cheaper

 

[Amit2]

It shouldn’t. Indian Kashmir is India’s to sort out. I have never agreed with the view that it belongs to Pakistan.

But I don't think most Pakistanis agree with you. Also of fight is in the air how will territory make a difference?

 

[Patriot]

Ground to Air defence systems come into play plus flying in unknown territory.

 

[Amit2]

Pakistan has an inventory of F16s that it will never use and India now has this plain.

What a waste of money. Mightn’t as well purchase a thousand Mig 21s and they will still be cheaper

It's for deterence. Cost of war will be much higher than the cost of these jets.

 

[Patriot]

But I don't think most Pakistanis agree with you. Also of fight is in the air how will territory make a difference?

That’s irrelevant as it is for the military to decide strategy. The military is not going to attack India. Both sides cry foul just to get more defence spending. The real losers are the citizens.

 

[Rana]

It's for deterence. Cost of war will be much higher than the cost of these jets.

They are not going to use them. It’s a fact both nations are scared to engage in a full blown war. Now Pakistan will purchase some crazy plain from Russia to ‘Deter’ the Rafale or overpower it.

 

[Amit2]

They are not going to use them. It’s a fact both nations are scared to engage in a full blown war. Now Pakistan will purchase some crazy plain from Russia to ‘Deter’ the Rafale or overpower it.

See India doesn't only have Pakistan on its mind. China is a bigger threat.

 

[Rana]

See India doesn't only have Pakistan on its mind. China is a bigger threat.

Unless India is scared that it might reach the point where it could make enemies like USA and Russia, they don’t need to spend billions on fighter jets.

Hilarious country when it comes to overspending

 

[Amit2]

Unless India is scared that it might reach the point where it could make enemies like USA and Russia, they don’t need to spend billions on fighter jets.

Hilarious country when it comes to overspending

We are not overspending. As % of GDP we are spending less than China, Pakistan.

 

[Rana]

I like how Modi thinks they would have won the dogfight on the 27th of February with Rafalles but all of India has an issue with F16s being present in the background.

Two very stupid nations wasting their resources on pointless toys

 

[Amit2]

I like how Modi thinks they would have won the dogfight on the 27th of February with Rafalles but all of India has an issue with F16s being present in the background.

Two very stupid nations wasting their resources on pointless toys

It was a political statement to attack the opposition. The opposition has been crying to block the Rafale deal with allegations of corruption.

 

[MP2011]

I like how Modi thinks they would have won the dogfight on the 27th of February with Rafalles but all of India has an issue with F16s being present in the background.

Two very stupid nations wasting their resources on pointless toys

Well said.

 

[MP2011]

Not like any minister is good in BJP Centre as such but Rajnath must be the most useless of the lot.

He is behaving as if he managed the project and delivered Rafael from HAL.

A true clown...

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mérignac(France): Defence Minister Rajnath Singh performs 'Shastra Puja', on the Rafale combat jet officially handed over to India. <a href="https://t.co/emOeslAt5e">https://t.co/emOeslAt5e</a> <a href="https://t.co/M7SHuSBcD2">pic.twitter.com/M7SHuSBcD2</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1181554699448668165?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[JaDed]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mérignac(France): Defence Minister Rajnath Singh performs 'Shastra Puja', on the Rafale combat jet officially handed over to India. <a href="https://t.co/emOeslAt5e">https://t.co/emOeslAt5e</a> <a href="https://t.co/M7SHuSBcD2">pic.twitter.com/M7SHuSBcD2</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1181554699448668165?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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My heart just broke and I know you posted to mock Indians

 

[Abdullah719]

My heart just broke and I know you posted to mock Indians

I don't even know what's going on in these pictures

But it looks a little strange, no doubt.

 

[JaDed]

I don't even know what's going on in these pictures

But it looks a little strange, no doubt.

When many Hindus buy a car or Home, they do a Puja , I don’t know the details but have seen my parents do it and am guessing its to bless it and to keep it safe from negative influence.

Now that doesn’t sound bad when i say it about a car or home but sounds ridiculous when its war planes.

 

[troodon]

Its the nimbu mirchi superstition. Has hundreds and thousands of years of tradition in Indian subcontinent.

Shameful that Indian Govt still doing in 2019. Well BJP and the clowns are shameless.

 

[JaDed]

Its the nimbu mirchi superstition. Has hundreds and thousands of years of tradition in Indian subcontinent.

Shameful that Indian Govt still doing in 2019. Well BJP and the clowns are shameless.

I wish he had put swastika symbol on it, that would had made news in France

 

[troodon]

I wish he had put swastika symbol on it, that would had made news in France

And a cow should be brought in and make it walk in front of Rafale. That will ward off all evils and brings good luck for ever.

 

[JaDed]

And a cow should be brought in and make it walk in front of Rafale. That will ward off all evils and brings good luck for ever.

I don't doubt it would come on the runway someday

 

[troodon]

Thank God!! Rajnath Nariyal Fighter Jet ke ooper nahi Phoda!! )

 

[kk1992]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mérignac(France): Defence Minister Rajnath Singh performs 'Shastra Puja', on the Rafale combat jet officially handed over to India. <a href="https://t.co/emOeslAt5e">https://t.co/emOeslAt5e</a> <a href="https://t.co/M7SHuSBcD2">pic.twitter.com/M7SHuSBcD2</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1181554699448668165?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Where are Muslim, Christian, and Buddhist Rafal?

Does India not have Muslim, Christian and Buddhist pilots?

 

[troodon]

Where are Muslim, Christian, and Buddhist Rafal?

Does India not have Muslim, Christian and Buddhist pilots?

I wish they have done Quran recitation, Christian Father blessing and Gurbani in front of the Jet.

More Gods the Merrier.

French must be thinking what kind of Morons are giving these Jets to..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its the nimbu mirchi superstition. Has hundreds and thousands of years of tradition in Indian subcontinent.

Shameful that Indian Govt still doing in 2019. Well BJP and the clowns are shameless.

When many Hindus buy a car or Home, they do a Puja , I don’t know the details but have seen my parents do it and am guessing its to bless it and to keep it safe from negative influence.

Now that doesn’t sound bad when i say it about a car or home but sounds ridiculous when its war planes.

Today is Dusshera. This is called Shastra Puja.

 

[troodon]

Today is Dusshera. This is called Shastra Puja.

They should have at least spared this fighter jet from the religious nonsense.

 

[JaDed]

Today is Dusshera. This is called Shastra Puja.

Yeah whats next ? For Diwali we buy missiles from Israel and do Laxmi puja?

Yes we can build it and do Laxmi Puja too

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its the nimbu mirchi superstition. Has hundreds and thousands of years of tradition in Indian subcontinent.

Shameful that Indian Govt still doing in 2019. Well BJP and the clowns are shameless.

Yeah whats next ? For Diwali we buy missiles from Israel and do Laxmi puja?

Yes we can build it and do Laxmi Puja too

Google Shastra Puja.

I know you have zero idea about hinduism, hence you dragged Diwali and Lakshmi Puja.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its the nimbu mirchi superstition. Has hundreds and thousands of years of tradition in Indian subcontinent.

Shameful that Indian Govt still doing in 2019. Well BJP and the clowns are shameless.

They should have at least spared this fighter jet from the religious nonsense.

Weapons are worshipped today.

 

[JaDed]

Google Shastra Puja.

I know you have zero idea about hinduism, hence you dragged Diwali and Lakshmi Puja.

I might have zero knowledge about Hinduism but I believe that state and religion shouldn’t mingle.

Esp when it comes to developing countries where religion is an issue.

I would had rather seen him paint Indian flag on it.

 

[sjahmed23]

Lol did this man really just break a coconut on a $100 million plane?

 

[pillionrider]

lol Ayudha Puja was just a couple days back. This made me think for the first time ever about the meaning of Ayudha. It actually means weapons also. Never thought of it that way.

I wish he had put swastika symbol on it, that would had made news in France

That would have been hilarious. Though some BJP boys would have enjoyed the attention if it meant that they could cozy up to the white Nordic super-man.

 

[Amit2]

I might have zero knowledge about Hinduism but I believe that state and religion shouldn’t mingle.

Esp when it comes to developing countries where religion is an issue.

I would had rather seen him paint Indian flag on it.

Well US politicians talk about God all the time. The pro life laws that are enacted in US are based on Christian beliefs. British queen I think is the head of the church also. Why our secularists think our politicians need to act like atheists to uphold secularism ? secularism means law shouldn't discriminate based on religion, doesn't mean elected leaders have to act like atheists.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I might have zero knowledge about Hinduism but I believe that state and religion shouldn’t mingle.

Esp when it comes to developing countries where religion is an issue.

I would had rather seen him paint Indian flag on it.

Haan ji?

Iftaar dinners at taxpayers expense is ok? But bit of Puja isnt?

Anyways, armed forces have a long history of such pujas. Just google passing out parade of the IMA.

Its amusing how an american president taking oath on the bible or the british queen called defender of faith is fine, but Indian minister doing puja isnt.

Its exactly because of these reasons that BJP gets the votes. Hinduphobia.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well US politicians talk about God all the time. The pro life laws that are enacted in US are based on Christian beliefs. British queen I think is the head of the church also. Why our secularists think our politicians need to act like atheists to uphold secularism ? secularism means law shouldn't discriminate based on religion, doesn't mean elected leaders have to act like atheists.

Secularism is India means, keeping hindu beliefs away.

 

[Slog]

Out of curiosity why are Hindu rituals and prayers being performed in this instance. Why not a Christian, Sikh or Muslim prayer?

 

[Amit2]

Out of curiosity why are Hindu rituals and prayers being performed in this instance. Why not a Christian, Sikh or Muslim prayer?

Because the defence minister is a Hindu and this ritual is done on that day traditionally in India. The ritual doesn't harm anyone in anyway.

 

[MenInG]

Because the defence minister is a Hindu and this ritual is done on that day traditionally in India. The ritual doesn't harm anyone in anyway.

No it shows that a India is a Hindu country - which is fine as long as they all say it.

 

[Amit2]

No it shows that a India is a Hindu country - which is fine as long as they all say it.

Yeah India is a Hindu country just like US and much of Europe are Christian countries. That doesn't mean minorities are denied rights like in Pakistan.

 

[Kaptan]

Out of curiosity why are Hindu rituals and prayers being performed in this instance. Why not a Christian, Sikh or Muslim prayer?

I think it will be done once the fighters land in India. Flying Christian, Sikh, Hindu and Muslim priests to France for this ceremony would have been utter wastage of Tax payer's money.

Chinook and Tejas were blessed by priests from all major religion.

 

[pillionrider]

The only serious issue I can see here is that you do a puja for your belongings like car etc. This is not Rajnath's personal car. But as Defence Minister he probably thinks it is, just like the BJP thinks India is theirs and criticizing BJP is equal to hating your country

And lol at the pic above. What's wrong with these people. Calling religious guys to bless things that have been created to kill other people.

And those shameless guys proudly posing there just cuz they feel relevant

 

[Amit2]

The only serious issue I can see here is that you do a puja for your belongings like car etc. This is not Rajnath's personal car. But as Defence Minister he probably thinks it is, just like the BJP thinks India is theirs and criticizing BJP is equal to hating your country

And lol at the pic above. What's wrong with these people. Calling religious guys to bless things that have been created to kill other people.

And those shameless guys proudly posing there just cuz they feel relevant

Puja used to take place in congress time also.

https://twitter.com/AskAnshul/status/1181839186464129024?s=19

 

[Kaptan]

The only serious issue I can see here is that you do a puja for your belongings like car etc. This is not Rajnath's personal car. But as Defence Minister he probably thinks it is, just like the BJP thinks India is theirs and criticizing BJP is equal to hating your country

And lol at the pic above. What's wrong with these people. Calling religious guys to bless things that have been created to kill other people.

And those shameless guys proudly posing there just cuz they feel relevant

Like it or not but its a part of our culture. I have seen costly machines getting worshipped during Vishkarma puja in PSUs, those machines are also not personal property of anyone but still puja is performed for them.
Its not something new and it does no harm to anyone, so whats the problem ?

I know you hate BJP, I also do. But, BJP hatred does not mean we start criticizing each and every thing. Doing so will make us like them (******).

 

[cricketjoshila]

No it shows that a India is a Hindu country - which is fine as long as they all say it.

Actually no.

Priests of all religion are invited to offer prayers in Indian armed forces.

On this ocassion the person is a hindu and the day is of Ayudha puja.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Where are Muslim, Christian, and Buddhist Rafal?

Does India not have Muslim, Christian and Buddhist pilots?

Out of curiosity why are Hindu rituals and prayers being performed in this instance. Why not a Christian, Sikh or Muslim prayer?

No it shows that a India is a Hindu country - which is fine as long as they all say it.

Yesterday was Ayudha Puja or Astra Puja, a part of Navratri. Isn't it celebrated by Pakistani Hindus? It means worship of tools, instruments, weapons.

When the jet comes to India I am sure it will be blessed by priests from all religions, a tradition here. There will be a Pandit, Father, Maulvi, Granthi, and sometimes representatives of other religions but these 4 are always represented. Not today or yesterday, common during Congress era as well.

Indian secularism is incorporating all religions rather than devoid of all religions. I don't believe in these traditions but if others want to I don't mind.

Pictures from some time back when Tejas was inducted


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All faith prayer to be held as the new acquisition of IAF, Chinook, gets inducted in Air Force Station Chandigarh. Pandit, Granthi, Maulvi, Priest present.<a href="https://twitter.com/IndianExpress?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IndianExpress</a> <a href="https://t.co/kjRg3XuV9n">pic.twitter.com/kjRg3XuV9n</a></p>— Man Aman Singh Chhina (@manaman_chhina) <a href="https://twitter.com/manaman_chhina/status/1110016807501512708?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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You will find many other such pictures on the net, whenever something new is inducted, a passenger plane, train, industry or new building. Privately people have their own rituals after buying a car or house, it has become a part of culture transcending religion. Before start of long journey, the driver breaks a coconut, I have seen Muslim cab drivers do that in TN. Lemon/green chilli, coconuts, perfumed water, talisman to ward off evil eye, these beliefs go beyond Hindu/Muslim/Christian at least in India.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Ideally government officials should not display religion in their official capacity, but we need to be practical. In India we have a different form of secularism, not bad because it gives importance to all religions. If there had been an equivalent of Ayudha Puja in Islam I am sure similar arrangements would have been made. Our people are superstitious and probably believe that more the blessings the merrier. Harmless really.

Sitting in our homes we can interpret these things our own way but ultimately we won't be flying these jets or taking part in satellite launches. I don't think we have any credibility to lecture about scientific thinking and rationalism to people who are actually going to operate the technology. As long as they are happy, I am fine. Decision should be left to them, if they (IAF in this case) don't wish to partake in these rituals let them communicate to the government. ISRO head was recently criticized for visiting temples and seeking blessings, the people who criticized him for unscientific approach are themselves nobodies, in the field of science/tech their contribution isn't a millionth of what the ISRO chief has accomplished. Be it Rafale or Chandrayaan-2, everything can't be done in a scientific or logical manner. Faith is different and gives mental strength.

 

[Kroll]

The only serious issue I can see here is that you do a puja for your belongings like car etc. This is not Rajnath's personal car. But as Defence Minister he probably thinks it is, just like the BJP thinks India is theirs and criticizing BJP is equal to hating your country

And lol at the pic above. What's wrong with these people. Calling religious guys to bless things that have been created to kill other people.

And those shameless guys proudly posing there just cuz they feel relevant

Yes, very bizarre and morbid.

 

[big_gamer007]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] - I don't agree with your views on this thread. I do not see anything wrong done by Rajnath Singh. Hindu's/Indians should be proud of their culture and beliefs and should not worry about what others think about our faith.

Doing Puja is fine, you and I, might not have done the Puja but if someone does then it is totally fine and should not be made fun of.

 

[kk1992]

Yesterday was Ayudha Puja or Astra Puja, a part of Navratri. Isn't it celebrated by Pakistani Hindus? It means worship of tools, instruments, weapons.

When the jet comes to India I am sure it will be blessed by priests from all religions, a tradition here. There will be a Pandit, Father, Maulvi, Granthi, and sometimes representatives of other religions but these 4 are always represented. Not today or yesterday, common during Congress era as well.

Indian secularism is incorporating all religions rather than devoid of all religions. I don't believe in these traditions but if others want to I don't mind.

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Chinook
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All faith prayer to be held as the new acquisition of IAF, Chinook, gets inducted in Air Force Station Chandigarh. Pandit, Granthi, Maulvi, Priest present.<a href="https://twitter.com/IndianExpress?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IndianExpress</a> <a href="https://t.co/kjRg3XuV9n">pic.twitter.com/kjRg3XuV9n</a></p>— Man Aman Singh Chhina (@manaman_chhina) <a href="https://twitter.com/manaman_chhina/status/1110016807501512708?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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You will find many other such pictures on the net, whenever something new is inducted, a passenger plane, train, industry or new building. Privately people have their own rituals after buying a car or house, it has become a part of culture transcending religion. Before start of long journey, the driver breaks a coconut, I have seen Muslim cab drivers do that in TN. Lemon/green chilli, coconuts, perfumed water, talisman to ward off evil eye, these beliefs go beyond Hindu/Muslim/Christian at least in India.

seem rather forced upon other religion.

I have never heard in Islam that you are suppose to pray upon or on metal or any other objects that kill people.

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] - I don't agree with your views on this thread. I do not see anything wrong done by Rajnath Singh. Hindu's/Indians should be proud of their culture and beliefs and should not worry about what others think about our faith.

Doing Puja is fine, you and I, might not have done the Puja but if someone does then it is totally fine and should not be made fun of.

I understand your pov, but I have massive dislike for religion among politicians.

 

[JaDed]

Haan ji?

Iftaar dinners at taxpayers expense is ok? But bit of Puja isnt?

Anyways, armed forces have a long history of such pujas. Just google passing out parade of the IMA.

Its amusing how an american president taking oath on the bible or the british queen called defender of faith is fine, but Indian minister doing puja isnt.

Its exactly because of these reasons that BJP gets the votes. Hinduphobia.

When did I say i agree on Iftaar dinner lol, I would oppose Sharia and different laws being allowed, but there should be uniformity in laws, no religion in official capacity.

 

[JaDed]

Well US politicians talk about God all the time. The pro life laws that are enacted in US are based on Christian beliefs. British queen I think is the head of the church also. Why our secularists think our politicians need to act like atheists to uphold secularism ? secularism means law shouldn't discriminate based on religion, doesn't mean elected leaders have to act like atheists.

Elected leaders just need to act like leaders, no religion as such.

Are you saying putting a coconut was required?
US politicians talk about GOD but only one party promotes religion in Govn not the other in USA.

 

[Amit2]

Elected leaders just need to act like leaders, no religion as such.

Are you saying putting a coconut was required?
US politicians talk about GOD but only one party promotes religion in Govn not the other in USA.

Everybody invokes God in US. Even Obama did in his campaigns.

Putting coconut is a traditional ritual, it's not doing any harm. Doesn't matter if it's necessary or not.

 

[Amit2]

Elected leaders just need to act like leaders, no religion as such.

Are you saying putting a coconut was required?
US politicians talk about GOD but only one party promotes religion in Govn not the other in USA.

 

[kk1992]

LOL. you are trying too hard.

Just come out in open and accept who you are. it will be lot easier to defend yourself without making a fool out of yourself.

 

[Swashbuckler]

seem rather forced upon other religion.

I have never heard in Islam that you are suppose to pray upon or on metal or any other objects that kill people.

I just gave some clarifications in that post. For instance most Pakistanis wouldn't be aware of Ayudha Puja which was celebrated with fervour by hundreds of millions yesterday.

Don't Pakistani Muslims pray or engage in rituals before starting something new or to ward off bad luck? Don't know about Pakistani Air Force but I think this was posted on PP earlier. I don't know whether there are rituals for weapons in Pakistan, may be not.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1303222/pia-on-a-wing-and-a-prayer

In India there are some rituals observed by all sections of society on purchasing new vehicle or something similar. I am not saying whether it is right or wrong, I don't want to judge those who indulge in stuff like this, just stating facts. It is also a tradition for Indian armed forces to invite priests from major religions to bless some new equipment. If the other religions feel it is forced they can always object or boycott, it is just a gesture towards inclusiveness, nothing compulsory. I don't often see Jain or Buddhist monks, even Parsi priests in such ceremonies.

 

[Abdullah719]

Guys the discussion about Taliban etc. is kinda going beyond the scope of this thread...

Let's stick to the topic please.

 

[kk1992]

I just gave some clarifications in that post. For instance most Pakistanis wouldn't be aware of Ayudha Puja which was celebrated with fervour by hundreds of millions yesterday.

Don't Pakistani Muslims pray or engage in rituals before starting something new or to ward off bad luck? Don't know about Pakistani Air Force but I think this was posted on PP earlier. I don't know whether there are rituals for weapons in Pakistan, may be not.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1303222/pia-on-a-wing-and-a-prayer

In India there are some rituals observed by all sections of society on purchasing new vehicle or something similar. I am not saying whether it is right or wrong, I don't want to judge those who indulge in stuff like this, just stating facts. It is also a tradition for Indian armed forces to invite priests from major religions to bless some new equipment. If the other religions feel it is forced they can always object or boycott, it is just a gesture towards inclusiveness, nothing compulsory. I don't often see Jain or Buddhist monks, even Parsi priests in such ceremonies.

Not judging, everyone has their way to practice whatever they wish too, i am totally fine with that.

but it sound rather stupid to bless something that is design to kill people and cause maximum destruction.

 

[big_gamer007]

I understand your pov, but I have massive dislike for religion among politicians.

That's because they pretend to be Messiah of religion while indulging in all malpractices our religions warns us against.
If they keep religion to themselves and don't impose it on others, it's fine.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Not judging, everyone has their way to practice whatever they wish too, i am totally fine with that.

but it sound rather stupid to bless something that is design to kill people and cause maximum destruction.

Considering most of our jets crash themselves during non-combat action may not be a bad idea to pray for safety and well-being of the pilots .

 

[Patriot]

It doesn’t matter what you pray, who you pray to or what you do in your prayers. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Just don’t be an ******* and do it for the cameras.

 

[The streak is Alive]

Pakistan has an inventory of F16s that it will never use and India now has this plain.

What a waste of money. Mightn’t as well purchase a thousand Mig 21s and they will still be cheaper

India already has multiple squadrons of Sukoi-30s, purchased after the kargil war I think. They are already enough to establish dominance over F-16s. This move will further widen the gap. Don't think Pakistan has the forex reserves to buy anything similar from the Russians.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India already has multiple squadrons of Sukoi-30s, purchased after the kargil war I think. They are already enough to establish dominance over F-16s. This move will further widen the gap. Don't think Pakistan has the forex reserves to buy anything similar from the Russians.

Your pilots and air force are pretty rubbish when it comes to actual strategic combat as we found out in Feb.

Besides in any large scale war missiles are the key, stopping them is what India needs.

 

[Rana]

India already has multiple squadrons of Sukoi-30s, purchased after the kargil war I think. They are already enough to establish dominance over F-16s. This move will further widen the gap. Don't think Pakistan has the forex reserves to buy anything similar from the Russians.

They don’t need to.

Pakistan and India will never engage is a long war. If they actually do and India is dominating like the RAF did against the Luftwaffe, eventually Pakistan will play its final ace and launch a nuke.

It just won’t happen. These toys are to show off at Air Force parades