England struggle to 84/5 on Day 2 of the rescheduled Test against India at Edgbaston

[MP2011]

And Bumrah isn't laidback either or someone who waits for things to happen.

However this is just his first day as a test captain on the field. We may have to wait for some while to form an opinion about his leadership qualities.

 

[Saurav]

It is a travesty they leave the field in bright sunshine. I am sure nobody will complain (except may be English batsmen).

Why would they complain? They are 83-5

 

[Ab Fan]

Since the addition of Bumrah and Pant to the Indian team, we have become a force to reckon. Test series win in Australia and hopefully, we will have one in England now.

 

[Saurav]

And Bumrah isn't laidback either or someone who waits for things to happen.

However this is just his first day as a test captain on the field. We may have to wait for some while to form an opinion about his leadership qualities.

His biggest test is managing himself. Bowling captains tend to overbowl or underbowl themselves

Last over he didnt need to come on.

 

[MP2011]

Actually Kohli is still 2nd to Dhoni in ego stakes!

Yeah. At least with Kohli, we get what we see. Dhoni is kind of a chameleon and highly sneaky.

 

[MP2011]

His biggest test is managing himself. Bowling captains tend to overbowl or underbowl themselves

Last over he didnt need to come on.

That's true as well.

For me, his biggest test would be to flush out deadwood from Indian test team. Remove them, we'll be close to invincible in test cricket in any condition.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yeah. At least with Kohli, we get what we see. Dhoni is kind of a chameleon and highly sneaky.

Yeah he was much worse than even Kohli in tests. And that's what I'm alluding to. Bumrah seems to be more like the Dada/Dravid/Jumbo types .

 

[Moeey]

This Indian attack is so so good. The skill set is top top draw. As a unit I'd say their equal to Aussies? Or maybe Australia with Cameron Green may just have the edge?

Yes front 3 are as good as each other. Bumrah Cummins
Shami hazle
Siraj starc or prasidh whoever
Thakur versus green is the question mark. I think green has higher ceiling.
Spin support in indias favour.

Overall attack probably india. Pure pace I would say for sena conditions slight edge to Aussies due to cam Green factor. In Asia india is probably better.

 

[Moeey]

No doubt about it. Frightening thing is India have barely played any meaningful cricket leading up to this test, yet their bowling looks so impressive.

Or perhaps extra rest helped? Bodies are weird. Everyone is built different.

 

[Saj]

Brilliant to watch that.

The Indian pacers didn't give England an inch or any chance to play BazBall. They dominated the England batters with accuracy, hostility and above all intelligence.

 

[James]

A truly pathetic display from England throughout the day. Totally capitulated. India dominated and were stupendously good. This is going to be a massive India win.

 

[Manunited18]

Yes front 3 are as good as each other. Bumrah Cummins
Shami hazle
Siraj starc or prasidh whoever
Thakur versus green is the question mark. I think green has higher ceiling.
Spin support in indias favour.

Overall attack probably india. Pure pace I would say for sena conditions slight edge to Aussies due to cam Green factor. In Asia india is probably better.

Yes. Can't wait for that series! When do Aussies tour India?

 

[Manunited18]

A truly pathetic display from England throughout the day. Totally capitulated. India dominated and were stupendously good. This is going to be a massive India win.

I'm abit miffed. I reckon rather blasting England I'd give full credit to India for being Ruthless!

 

[JaDed]

still annoyed by the last over change, Bumrah needs to trust his bowlers and Siraj was in the zone.

 

[dildilpak]

Yeah he was much worse than even Kohli in tests. And that's what I'm alluding to. Bumrah seems to be more like the Dada/Dravid/Jumbo types .

Too soon to judge- Its just been one game so far. Indians were ready to elevate Rahane to legendary captain status after that Australian series & look where is he now!

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] Kohli is yesterday's news. But how good has Jasprit been as skipper? Make him permanent test captain I say!

Lol we do need the batsman Kohli, Bumrah did captain well , tbf he was always smart..he is smart like Ash and compared to Ash hasn’t overdone stuff yet except the last over..

 

[Savak]

Gulf in class bw the Indian bowling attack and NZ bowling attack

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Too soon to judge- Its just been one game so far. Indians were ready to elevate Rahane to legendary captain status after that Australian series & look where is he now!

Not me. That guy was barely making the team on merit.

 

[James]

I'm abit miffed. I reckon rather blasting England I'd give full credit to India for being Ruthless!

Yes a great deal of credit goes to India.

England messed up their tactics though and just weren’t good enough.

 

[dildilpak]

Gulf in class bw the Indian bowling attack and NZ bowling attack

Which is surprising considering English conditions & how easily NZ won the WTC final
last season

 

[dildilpak]

Yes a great deal of credit goes to India.

England messed up their tactics though and just weren’t good enough.

Felt that England were still on the NZ series high & underestimated India.

 

[Saj]

At the start of the day's play, Ravindra Jadeja was 17 runs away from a century, with the question being whether he would be afforded enough support from the other end to reach the landmark. The batter got brilliant support from Mohammad Shami as the pair embarked on a 48-run stand which helped Jadeja get closer to his century while assisting India to get closer to a score of 400.

Jadeja would finally bring up his ton – the third of his career – before Shami perished after playing a handy knock of 16. Jadeja too would be undone by a brilliant delivery from Anderson for 104, but it was an innings of sheer class from the Indian all-rounder.

A captain's knock with the bat, from a player you'd least expect it from! Jasprit Bumrah clearly enjoyed himself out in the middle at Edgbaston at the expense of Stuart Broad. In a history-making feat, Broad conceded 35 runs off an over, with Bumrah scoring the bulk of the runs, making it the most expensive over in the history of Test cricket.

Bumrah remained unbeaten on 31*, with his fireworks helping India past the score of 400.

After a string of low scores against New Zealand, the pressure was on Alex Lees and Zak Crawley to deliver a solid start for England. But they again failed to make a significant contribution, with Jasprit Bumrah proving to be too good for them.

Bumrah first got through the defence of Lees, bowling him for 6. Crawley was loose on the drive, going hard but failing to get to the pitch of the ball, edging one to the slips on 9. The onus was on the England middle-order, again.

It was a frustrating day, with rain playing hide and seek throughout. When it finally stopped, only one hour of play was possible.

Root set the tone with two boundaries in the opening over but Bumrah and Shami, who were fresh from the break, were creating chances.

But it was Siraj who got the big wicket of Root with a brilliant short ball that went to the keeper. Nightwatchman Jack Leach could have gone for a golden duck had Virat Kohli not spilt his catch a slip. Leach's lifeline, though, lasted only four more balls as he was out caught behind, forcing Stokes to walk out to bat.

Together with Bairstow, he ensured India did not inflict any more damage before stumps.

ICC

 

[Titan24]

England need something exceptional if they even want to come close to being in the match again. Pretty ordinary stuff first with the bowl with the tactics against tail and then with the bat though Indian bowling was top notch.

 

[Firebat]

Who will be the Jadeja to Bairstow's Pant?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Which is surprising considering English conditions & how easily NZ won the WTC final
last season

India loses to NZ not because of bowling mostly because of subpar batting 3 back to back tests in both innings.

 

[dildilpak]

Who will be the Jadeja to Bairstow's Pant?

Assuming Bairstow doesnt get out to a Bumrah scorcher first? Looking at Bairstow today felt that Bumrah castling him last year was still playing on his mind.

 

[Marooned]

Who will be the Jadeja to Bairstow's Pant?

As if Bairstow will be pant. Can't happen every time.

 

[dildilpak]

India loses to NZ not because of bowling mostly because of subpar batting 3 back to back tests in both innings.

Naa, felt that even Bumrah & Shami seemed a bit off key in that WTC final match. Maybe the pressure/occasion got to them?

 

[James]

Felt that England were still on the NZ series high & underestimated India.

It feels like England were riding the crest of a wave so intensely that they expected to be able to do the same things that have been working so well yet again, with expectations of the same outcome. But the key thing here is that the opponent here is completely different. So perhaps England did not “underestimate” India, but they certainly “misread” both the situation and the opponent. They should have batted first when winning the toss for a start.

 

[James]

Btw I actually think on reflection that Bairstow played quite well. He was beaten far less often than anyone else out there, including Root on this occasion. The old Bairstow would already be out. As it is, he has been reasonably solid in defence and he survives to battle another day.

 

[dildilpak]

It feels like England were riding the crest of a wave so intensely that they expected to be able to do the same things that have been working so well yet again, with expectations of the same outcome. But the key thing here is that the opponent here is completely different. So perhaps England did not “underestimate” India, but they certainly “misread” both the situation and the opponent. They should have batted first when winning the toss for a start.

Agree but dont you think this being an one-off test, somewhere they believed at the back of their mind that India would not be able to ramp up quickly to the conditions?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Btw I actually think on reflection that Bairstow played quite well. He was beaten far less often than anyone else out there, including Root on this occasion. The old Bairstow would already be out. As it is, he has been reasonably solid in defence and he survives to battle another day.

For once Bairstow has looked solid on a tricky wicket, if he gets big runs here it will be a better inns under pressure then during NZ series.

 

[Saj]

tomorrow

1030-1230 1st session
1230-1310 Lunch
1310-1540 2nd session
1540-1600 tea
1600-1800 3rd session
30mins to complete the overs

 

[jnaveen1980]

Naa, felt that even Bumrah & Shami seemed a bit off key in that WTC final match. Maybe the pressure/occasion got to them?

Bumrah after injury layoff it took a while for him to gather his form. But it is unrealistic to expect your bowlers to bail you out match after match. Even with bat bowlers were the ones who bailed India out besides Pant. Ashwin/Thakur/Sundar at SCG and Gabba. Again in England Shami/Bumrah/Thakur but for their valuable contribution India could have lost the series too. England was also reduced to low scores with new ball by NZ. Just that they had Bairstow and some other lower order batsman to cash in against NZ attack with old ball. India had none.

 

[Shafi]

England is a over-hyped team. They only perform against weak team. They are no match to India and Australia

 

[Buffet]

A truly pathetic display from England throughout the day. Totally capitulated. India dominated and were stupendously good. This is going to be a massive India win.

I think bowling was bit too high class for Eng. Indians were right on target most of the times and moved ball both ways at a good pace.

It was hard to score fast as Eng did against NZ bowling. Hopefully, tomorrow this pair can put some runs.

 

[Buffet]

England is a over-hyped team. They only perform against weak team. They are no match to India and Australia

NZ was seen as good team not so long ago.

Eng can compete against all teams in their home conditions. Match is not over yet. Also, Not sure when Aus won last series in Eng. Yes, Eng is no match for India or Aus over all in all conditions, but at home they are competitive.

 

[sweep_shot]

India are looking good to clinch the series.

 

[Savak]

England's top 3 is horrible. You can only keep depending on Root, Stokes, Bairstow for so long.

 

[wrongun]

Gulf in class bw the Indian bowling attack and NZ bowling attack

Yep. A really good fast bowling unit can create the environment of hostility & menace/pressure that India did today. And it takes a unit, not just one good bowler. And I don't just mean bouncers, a full length can be an aggressive length, pressuring the stumps.

NZ couldn't manage to do that this series.

 

[Savak]

Need to credit the way Elgar, Petersen, Bavuma, Van Der etc dealt with the likes of Shami, Bhumra, Siraj, Ashwin etc in much more difficult, challenging batting conditions. The likes of Australia, England should learn from how they dealt with their line, length, field placings. Elgar batted like a real man taking 12-15 blows on the fingers, body.

 

[MenInG]

India's day.

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[Moeey]

Need to credit the way Elgar, Petersen, Bavuma, Van Der etc dealt with the likes of Shami, Bhumra, Siraj, Ashwin etc in much more difficult, challenging batting conditions. The likes of Australia, England should learn from how they dealt with their line, length, field placings. Elgar batted like a real man taking 12-15 blows on the fingers, body.

Ziraj was injured in the 2nd test. Otherwise india may have won. Jadeja dint play. He adds to their batting. Ash was poor and a let down.

 

[docteurmanish]

Need to credit the way Elgar, Petersen, Bavuma, Van Der etc dealt with the likes of Shami, Bhumra, Siraj, Ashwin etc in much more difficult, challenging batting conditions. The likes of Australia, England should learn from how they dealt with their line, length, field placings. Elgar batted like a real man taking 12-15 blows on the fingers, body.

the matches in south africa showe dindias real weakness- lack of 6 feet 6 inch bowler. Indian bowlers did not get as much purchase as southafricans due to smaller height

you will see next time india tours south africa, people like prasiddha, mohsin khan and avesh khan -all six feet three should be played.

lack of jaddu did hurt too-he is idnias no 1 batter last 3 years and exerts control with his bowling

 

[dravidthewall]

Who will be the Jadeja to Bairstow's Pant?

Ben stokes

 

[Joseph Gomes]

NZ was seen as good team not so long ago.

Eng can compete against all teams in their home conditions. Match is not over yet. Also, Not sure when Aus won last series in Eng. Yes, Eng is no match for India or Aus over all in all conditions, but at home they are competitive.

NZ is a meme team, India 2nd XI can beat NZ anywhere outside NZ.

 

[dravidthewall]

That bumrah assualt with the bat ,scoring 35 runs in broad over completely change the momentum of the match. If england restricted India to 380-390 .Than england can fancy their chance to chase this. 416 runs way too much for them against this top class Indian bowling attack

 

[JaDed]

NZ is a meme team, India 2nd XI can beat NZ anywhere outside NZ.

Naw, they beat us in WTC.. in England, they deserve credit.

They had been really good even against English until very recently..

 

[Colorblind Genius]

That bumrah assualt with the bat ,scoring 35 runs in broad over completely change the momentum of the match. If england restricted India to 380-390 .Than england can fancy their chance to chase this. 416 runs way too much for them against this top class Indian bowling attack

Not really.
It was rain and very favorable weather towards bowling that changed the game when England batted.

If England had batted first with an extremely easy pitch to bat in the first innings, you’d prolly have had 600 on the board.

 

[pillionrider]

Not really.
It was rain and very favorable weather towards bowling that changed the game when England batted.

If England had batted first with an extremely easy pitch to bat in the first innings, you’d prolly have had 600 on the board.

Why just 600, maybe BazBall could have taken them to 1000?

You do realize England won the toss and reduced India to 98/5.

I understand you're venting, but there's a way to go about it

 

[Moeey]

NZ is a meme team, India 2nd XI can beat NZ anywhere outside NZ.

No. In swing conditions new zeland have advanatge over india because Indians don't have good batsmen.
Agree with other conditions india will smash new zealand yes.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Why just 600, maybe BazBall could have taken them to 1000?

You do realize England won the toss and reduced India to 98/5.

I understand you're venting, but there's a way to go about it

No, not trying to take away anything from Bumrah, He is currently one of the best bowlers in the world (due to that crooked elbow); however, we all know, English weather plays a vital role in the bowling performance of pacers.

In India, there are only three weathers, hot, hotter and hottest.

However in England, it’s a different story. In the second innings, the bowling was much more potent due to weather. And it helped India, no doubt.

If the wicket starts to play again tomorrow as it did in the first innings, I think England will fight back hard.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not really.
It was rain and very favorable weather towards bowling that changed the game when England batted.

If England had batted first with an extremely easy pitch to bat in the first innings, you’d prolly have had 600 on the board.

Rain was there even on day 1. If India had Saha instead of Pant India would have been all out for 130. Give credit to pant who is known to produce these blinders in tough situations especially overseas.

 

[dravidthewall]

Not really.
It was rain and very favorable weather towards bowling that changed the game when England batted.

If England had batted first with an extremely easy pitch to bat in the first innings, you’d prolly have had 600 on the board.

England had india for 98-5 in favourable bowling condition.If they get pant early ,india would have folded for 150.But they let pant and bumrah to score more.Result india put massive total on board.

 

[Varun]

So England are ~90/5 also. Let's see if they can also do a Pant/Jadeja.

 

[MP2011]

Why just 600, maybe BazBall could have taken them to 1000?

You do realize England won the toss and reduced India to 98/5.

I understand you're venting, but there's a way to go about it

England had best of conditions last year but still are down 1-2 in this series.

And how can people forget they are playing at home, a place they are supposed to be dominating irrespective of the conditions?

 

[pillionrider]

England had best of conditions last year but still are down 1-2 in this series.

And how can people forget they are playing at home, a place they are supposed to be dominating irrespective of the conditions?

Hold on, BazBall is still an option today. 600 could still be on

 

[MP2011]

Not only the favourable conditions, they were battle hardened after playing 3 hard fought tests against NZ while India last played a test match don't remember when!

Even the lone practice game they played prior to this test was such a joke.

 

[dravidthewall]

So England are ~90/5 also. Let's see if they can also do a Pant/Jadeja.

Both bairstow and stokes natural aggressive cricketer. They won't go without fight.Interesting day 3 of test match

 

[MP2011]

Hold on, BazBall is still an option today. 600 could still be on

I won't be surprised if they still do. Not so long ago these 2 were treating Kiwi bowlers with such disdain.

 

[James]

Not calling it yet. But this just doesn’t feel like England’s match.

We have made too many mistakes already. It’s been a messy one from England. Started at the toss and continued from there. We have only won 1 session so far, maybe 1.5 at best.

Perhaps one could say that India were just too good for us with the ball yesterday & sometimes one just has to hold their hands up and give the opponent credit. I think there is definitely something in that here. But England’s bowling to the Indian lower order was absolutely terrible (along with Ben’s tactics) and there was no excuse or rationale for that one at all.

Eng could still miraculously turn it around from this position against an NZ, SL, WI, Pak level team, perhaps even an SA. But they need to produce a cleaner and more professional performance throughout when facing India or Australia, who are the best two Test teams.

Think we might collapse this morning and end up following on. Then we could see a slightly tricky chase of 120 for India in the final innings. That would make for an exciting Test match.

For now I think it’s either a fair bit more rain and a draw, or a win for Ind. Either way it looks like a deserved away series victory for the Indian team.

Apart from that one match out of five at Headingley, England have really sucked in this series. Lol

 

[Manunited18]

Not calling it yet. But this just doesn’t feel like England’s match.

We have made too many mistakes already. It’s been a messy one from England. Started at the toss and continued from there. We have only won 1 session so far, maybe 1.5 at best.

Perhaps one could say that India were just too good for us with the ball yesterday & sometimes one just has to hold their hands up and give the opponent credit. I think there is definitely something in that here. But England’s bowling to the Indian lower order was absolutely terrible (along with Ben’s tactics) and there was no excuse or rationale for that one at all.

Eng could still miraculously turn it around from this position against an NZ, SL, WI, Pak level team, perhaps even an SA. But they need to produce a cleaner and more professional performance throughout when facing India or Australia, who are the best two Test teams.

Think we might collapse this morning and end up following on. Then we could see a slightly tricky chase of 120 for India in the final innings. That would make for an exciting Test match.

For now I think it’s either a fair bit more rain and a draw, or a win for Ind. Either way it looks like a deserved away series victory for the Indian team.

Apart from that one match out of five at Headingley, England have really sucked in this series. Lol

Yep. Simple factor is how on Earth can you let a team from 90-5 to get over 400! That was insane. After that the momentum change was unrecoverable regarding England.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Not calling it yet. But this just doesn’t feel like England’s match.

We have made too many mistakes already. It’s been a messy one from England. Started at the toss and continued from there. We have only won 1 session so far, maybe 1.5 at best.

Perhaps one could say that India were just too good for us with the ball yesterday & sometimes one just has to hold their hands up and give the opponent credit. I think there is definitely something in that here. But England’s bowling to the Indian lower order was absolutely terrible (along with Ben’s tactics) and there was no excuse or rationale for that one at all.

Eng could still miraculously turn it around from this position against an NZ, SL, WI, Pak level team, perhaps even an SA. But they need to produce a cleaner and more professional performance throughout when facing India or Australia, who are the best two Test teams.

Think we might collapse this morning and end up following on. Then we could see a slightly tricky chase of 120 for India in the final innings. That would make for an exciting Test match.

For now I think it’s either a fair bit more rain and a draw, or a win for Ind. Either way it looks like a deserved away series victory for the Indian team.

Apart from that one match out of five at Headingley, England have really sucked in this series. Lol

India's bowling is the main difference. Unlike NZ, Indian bowlers are ruthless. Bumrah, Shami, Siraj all are aggressive wicket taking bowlers. England's batting is far too frail to withstand assault from Indian pacers.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Need to credit the way Elgar, Petersen, Bavuma, Van Der etc dealt with the likes of Shami, Bhumra, Siraj, Ashwin etc in much more difficult, challenging batting conditions. The likes of Australia, England should learn from how they dealt with their line, length, field placings. Elgar batted like a real man taking 12-15 blows on the fingers, body.

We missed few players else we were winning that series 3-0

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Stu Broad's that single over was atrocious. Not sure what was he thinking.. lol

 

[MenInG]

Nasser on England's short-ball tactics to India's tail

Sky Sports Cricket's Nasser Hussain...

"If you are bowling to the top order and you are going to pitch the new ball up, why are you changing against 8, 9, 10, 11? The reason tailenders bat where they do is because they can’t keep the good balls out. If it is good enough for Kohli, why go short every ball short to Bumrah?"

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No nick from Jonny boy

 

[Manunited18]

Better batting conditions! Hopefully England boys can make hay today.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Is Stokes dumb? )

Dude got two lives and still gave it away.

 

[GreenBee]

There seems to be an uncanny IPL-Test Cricket connect. It's as if the format is being transformed by our Tamasha league specialists.

 

[TheSultan]

Is Stokes dumb? )

Dude got two lives and still gave it away.

Stokes has played very strangely all game, even his bowling. He’s playing like it’s a Sunday League game.

 

[James]

Stokes has played very strangely all game, even his bowling. He’s playing like it’s a Sunday League game.

Feels like he is piggybacking on his undroppable status and checking out as a player completely. Seems like a good captain so far with 3 wins out of 3, but he needs to set a more mature example with his own batting and bowling performance. The guy has 11 Test hundreds scored around the world, which is just 3 hundreds short of Botham, and at a superior average — clearly he is a quality player, he just needs to screw his head back on.