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England v Australia | 5th test | Oval | 20-24 Aug 09

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Clarkey is the most underrated spinner when will they understand his talent with the Ball can't forget how he made India collapse in India still looking for the scorecard forgot when it was
 
haroonrasheed320 said:
Clarkey is the most underrated spinner when will they understand his talent with the Ball can't forget how he made India collapse in India still looking for the scorecard forgot when it was
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That was the "Dark Side of the Moon" match in Mumbai.
 
haroonrasheed320 said:
Clarkey is the most underrated spinner when will they understand his talent with the Ball can't forget how he made India collapse in India still looking for the scorecard forgot when it was
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6 for 8 or something like that. His average was excellent for quite some time because of that innings
 
Why is Pup still not on?? Just resign Ricky. You've lost it son!!! :po:
 
Cant believe not a single over for Pup. End of day. England 58 for 3 but 230 ahead. By a long way England's day.

For Aussies to get in tomorrow they need to go bang bang bang in the morning
 
Stumps, England 3/58 and well in the ascendancy. We're going to need to pull out an epic bowling and batting performance tomorrow if we're to be any chance of pulling this off. Hopefully we get thunderstorms before play and hopefully storm clouds hover around all day!
 
haroonrasheed320 said:
its surprising to see Hauritz played in the same match as well
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And what did Horroritz do? Sweet eff all.
 
lets wish for a good day tomorrow the game might end on Day 4 & only two results are possible with an Eng win on the cards but can't write off OZs if the English collapse like they did in the previous game
 
Aussies collapsed under pressure. Even this was a shocking batting performance for this weak Aussie side. Looks like curtains for Ponting the captain.
 
If England win this Ashes , Ponting will be sacked and Mr.Cricket would be dropped . Mark my words.
 
So happy Aussies out for 160 :D Though England playing defensively is not helping their cause. This wicket will best be to bat on the 3rd and 4th day. If Aussies restrict England to a target under 400 I reckon they can chase it. Heck, they can chase 400+ too seeing how they have performed in their last innings in the first three tests.

England just need to bat positively and look to score 250-270 in the day. That will put Aussies out of the game, throw the bat around for 30-60 mins on the fourth morning and then give yourself two days to bowl them out with a lead of 500 plus. England need to bat positively though like they did in the first innings. Prodding at 2 an over is asking for a collapse.
 
Amir said:
So happy Aussies out for 160 :D Though England playing defensively is not helping their cause. This wicket will best be to bat on the 3rd and 4th day. If Aussies restrict England to a target under 400 I reckon they can chase it. Heck, they can chase 400+ too seeing how they have performed in their last innings in the first three tests.

England just need to bat positively and look to score 250-270 in the day. That will put Aussies out of the game, throw the bat around for 30-60 mins on the fourth morning and then give yourself two days to bowl them out with a lead of 500 plus. England need to bat positively though like they did in the first innings. Prodding at 2 an over is asking for a collapse.
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what match are you watching??... if an absolute no hoper like north turns the ball then the pitch is going to break up it aint lasting ...i agree with the part of eng batting positively but the batsmen who are going to do that are mainly prior and freddie

it england get to another 170-200 runs aussies would be toast
 
I am surprised that the Aussies stuck with Hussey for so long. He hasnt done anything worth while since ages now. England even if they win 2-1 still could have done ever better against the weakest Aussie team to have toured Australia since ages.

Like i have always been saying its time for the Aussie public to embrace a new reality. They dont have the same calibre of players like Langer, Hayden, Martyn, Gilchrist, Mcgrath, Warne, Gillespe, Kasprowicz.

As far as the bowling is concerned, the Aussies biggest problem has been the lack of economy amongst the bowlers, everyone has gone for runs, S.Clarke has been the only one who has operated in a Mcgrath like fashion and trust me that is what creates pressure. Plus Warne's abscence has also been a defining moment, its laughable to see the Aussies struggling to find a decent spinner now.

I feel sorry for Ponting, he was never really an exceptional captain, he was just an appointed captain of a side with so many many great players that he hardly had to do anything. Since 2007, he has had to think a lot more about the game and you can clearly see the toll its taken on his batting, body language and facial expressions in general. I really cannot see him surviving should the Aussies lose this match and ashes. Ponting has already lost to India, barely scrounged for victory against the NZ side, lost to SA, beat an overconfident SA team in SA and now England.

However i dont think a change of captaincy is going to make such a big difference, the biggest problem for the aussies is an abscence of quality in the batting dept and the lack of a decent spinner and 1-2 wicketing and economical fast bowlers.
 
This is an absolute mine-field. I haven't see a pitch like this in England. Part-timers are turning the ball from leg to outside off. If there was a mystery spinner in either side then sub-100 scores would be a distinct possibility. If the pitch continues to deteriorate then England may already have a match-winning lead here. Strauss and Trott have batted solidly to the close, and another 100 runs tomorrow could well prove to be plenty. I wouldn't rule anything out with England, but it's looking 95% likely at the minute that we'll be regaining the Ashes.
 
Well done curators.

Totally pwnd the Aussies and their spinner less side.

Sorry Aus fans.. :))
 
What score can Australia realistically chase? There is load and loads and loads of time left in this test.
 
Taurus said:
This is an absolute mine-field. I haven't see a pitch like this in England. Part-timers are turning the ball from leg to outside off. If there was a mystery spinner in either side then sub-100 scores would be a distinct possibility. If the pitch continues to deteriorate then England may already have a match-winning lead here. Strauss and Trott have batted solidly to the close, and another 100 runs tomorrow could well prove to be plenty. I wouldn't rule anything out with England, but it's looking 95% likely at the minute that we'll be regaining the Ashes.
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Here's Ponting having a look at the pitch just after stumps tonight:

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gollumbird said:
What score can Australia realistically chase? There is load and loads and loads of time left in this test.
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I think we will do it very tough chasing 250, let alone 350+. If it rains before we bat, we won't be able to chase 200.

Never write the Ozzies off, but realistically we have about a 1.5% chance of winning this.
 
OZGOD said:
I think we will do it very tough chasing 250, let alone 350+. If it rains before we bat, we won't be able to chase 200.

Never write the Ozzies off, but realistically we have about a 1.5% chance of winning this.
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Right now if you guys do very well and get them out in the next session or so, you might get a target of 350 or so, but if a partnership develops, sky is the limit. I agree the odds are stacked against the Aussies.
 
Well, this is their chance to defy the odds.
 
LOL at the moon pic, Is he about to put the white flag in?

Seriously though, Aussies are tough cookies, I wouldn't be surprised if they made a great fight of what ever target they end up chasing.
 
dblock said:
Well done curators.

Totally pwnd the Aussies and their spinner less side.

Sorry Aus fans.. :))
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Yep they pulled a shifty on us eh. All that talk about a "typical Oval pitch, plenty of bounce, good batting wicket" etc knowing we weren't sure if we should play Safraz or Horroritz. Then they come up with this bunsen burner. We got rolled bigtime. :(
 
OZGOD said:
Yep they pulled a shifty on us eh. All that talk about a "typical Oval pitch, plenty of bounce, good batting wicket" etc knowing we weren't sure if we should play Safraz or Horroritz. Then they come up with this bunsen burner. We got rolled bigtime. :(
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Well , Ponting could give that as the reason for not play Hauritz .

If Aus loose the Ashes then they should sue the curators for giving out false information .
 
Wassixpakistani said:
Well , Ponting could give that as the reason for not play Hauritz .

If Aus loose the Ashes then they should sue the curators for giving out false information .
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No, you need to play on whatever wicket is prepared. Both teams have to deal with this wicket after all.
 
OZGOD said:
So far it's turning out similar to Cardiff, other than the fact that the pitch is starting to break up. I'd have taken eight wickets on Day 1 had it been offered to me before play. We have our noses in front, but we still have to bat.

We need to quickly run through this Pom tail and keep them below 350. Then Dubya and the boys need to set themselves to play a long, boring innings and bat for two days. We should absolutely be only looking to bat once and hopefully give ourselves a lead of 200+. I reckon that would be hard to chase. Dubya needs to lead by example and Pup and North need to support. If ever there was a chance to play a match - and series - winning knock this is it. No room for chokers or the fainthearted!

Swann's been woeful all series but he could be a danger here, and I reckon Collywobble will be a handful too.
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Well the script went right up to the first sentence of my second paragraph then England knocked a Broadside into our plans lol. One of the most spineless batting efforts I've seen from any team.

Just our luck that rain would be around when we're batting *cough* swing *cough* :(
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Geez was I right or what? Soon as it rained we collapsed like deck chairs!
 
insaftak said:
i love your optimism, HAHAHA, OZGOD at his worst
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He still hasnt accepted the fact that his team has become seriously vulnerable and weaker compared to earlier. Anyways, England should have won this series more convincingly then they may actually do so.

:)) :)) I am pretty sure Ponting must now be regretting not wrapping up the first test and allowing Anderson, Monty to survive and help England avoid defeat. Aussies would have been 2-1 up in the series. If England do win the ashes, most of the credit should go to Anderson, Monty for changing England's fortunes.
 
He still hasnt accepted the fact that his team has become seriously vulnerable and weaker compared to earlier.
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LOL Savak, don't put words in my mouth mate. You change your mind after every English win/English loss/OZ win/OZ loss mate. First it's "this weak OZ team will be flogged" then after a decent OZ performance it's "oh I underestimated this weak OZ team, how come they're doing better than I thought" and then it cycles again. I know you're hoping for us to fail mate like everyone else in the world. :D

I always expected that the team's fortunes would take a dip after the retirements of Warne, McGrath, etc. But I also said that we wouldn't turn into the WI and become a minnow, and we will not. We will be hard to beat at home and easier to beat away. We have troubles with the moving ball like any other team. Our good performances are very good, but our bad performances are very bad. I would still put us in the top 3 in the world overall, along with SA and India. I have confidence in our ability to bounce back in the future. What we've lost is the ability to consistently win away from home and the gap between our best and worst performances have widened considerably. The team's in a rebuilding phase and needs a ouple of years to get back to consistency. It's a measure of the high standards we expect from our team that we are disappointed in their performances. They have a proud tradition to live up to, the Baggy Greens and right now they are falling short of our expectations. Statistically we are ahead of England but we have failed to seize the key moments that win matches. Scoring 7 centuries vs 1 for England is pretty useless if those centuries do not contribute to a victory. When the crunch is on the team has failed to put its hand up.

Facing less difficult opposition in WI and Pakistan at home (since those two teams are poor travellers) will help - we've had to face tough opposition in SA and India the last year. But the most galling thing about this Ashes defeat is that this is not a great England team - it's a good England team for sure and they absolutely have to be given all the credit for their persistence and perseverance but if we are all honest with each other there's really only two world class players in it - Strauss and Flingtoff and the latter is half fit and can't really bowl. Bambi is promising but inconsistent, same as Swann, Anderson is deadly with clouds but pedestrian without, Harmlesson and Onions are inconsistent, while among the batters Cook and Bell hardly inspire confidence and Prior is more a cowlasher than a proper Test No.6. Trott looks like the genuine article however, he could have a great career at 4 or 5. But what they have been able to do is win the key moments that win you Test matches. They've shown some great mental fortitude and have been able to bounce back from adversity.

This OZ team right now is unable to try and snatch history, they haven't yet shown that killer instinct that former OZ sides have had. They've struggled against the moving ball and they haven't shown much consistency. Someone needs to put their hand up and either produce a great spell like Bambi did or come up with a gritty, defiant innings to save the match.

As for blaming Dubya for not wrapping up the first Test, well while he has command responsibility he can't take wickets for his bowlers. If Dubya is to be blamed, it's going to be for failing to lead the way at Lords and here at the Oval with the bat. His shot today was a shocker and precipitated the batting collapse. That said, we all know he's a shlt captain. That's nothing new.
 
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Anyway on that note I'm off to bed. I'll wake up to see how these snapperheads went.
 
This has not been a completely un-Oval pitch. It is the ground where Saqlain and Salisbury lead Surrey to title after title - it has always been a good pitch for spinners.

And to be honest, when you play against England you should always play a spinner, whatever the conditions.
 
People are talking like we still have Warne. We are talking about Horroritz here he is the 14th best spinner in the world
 
Well I woke up this morning expecting to see us 4/300 at stumps.

Instead we are going to lose the Ashes because of a pathetic batting collapse. Mike Hussey GTFO out my team please, his hack batting at number 4 has been a weak point all series.

People saying Horrorwitz would have made a difference need to wake up, the issue with Horrorwitz is that he can bowl tight and all but he cannot run through teams on a turning pitch.

We need to bowl them out for 20 this morning and then make a miracle score. Otherwise time for Ponting to hand over the captaincy, Hussey to be dropped, Katich to be dropped - bring back Hughes!. It's the old blokes letting us down these days.
 
Asad Raud..what a great decision!

Hit the bat leg, everyone was up and celebrating. Warne singing his praises now.

I agree it was a terrible couple yesterday from him, but he makes up for it.
 
Aussies can kiss this Ashes series goodbye, until rain intervenes. The Poms have all the time in the world to pile up a big lead, I mean they can bat for the whole day today. Either a draw or a win for England, the way I see it.

All this because of the 1st innings collapse of the Aussies. If only they could score even 250 runs, things would have been very different.
 
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Hoping for some fireworks from Flintoff today. But first a big partnership between Prior and Trott.
 
Shows the pitch isn't as bad as Australia made it look yesterday. Just a combination of good bowling and tentative batting by the Aussies.
 
Extreme Pace said:
Shows the pitch isn't as bad as Australia made it look yesterday. Just a combination of good bowling and tentative batting by the Aussies.
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I've been saying this all along. the only thing the Aussies are missing is - CONFIDENCE.
 
Random Aussie said:
Well I woke up this morning expecting to see us 4/300 at stumps.

Instead we are going to lose the Ashes because of a pathetic batting collapse. Mike Hussey GTFO out my team please, his hack batting at number 4 has been a weak point all series.

People saying Horrorwitz would have made a difference need to wake up, the issue with Horrorwitz is that he can bowl tight and all but he cannot run through teams on a turning pitch.

We need to bowl them out for 20 this morning and then make a miracle score. Otherwise time for Ponting to hand over the captaincy, Hussey to be dropped, Katich to be dropped - bring back Hughes!. It's the old blokes letting us down these days.
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Random Aussie, such is the nature of the pitch, even Hauritz would have caused serious problems. Marcus North has already picked up 2 wickets as it is.
 
still 8 sessions to go......If eng bat another 1-1/2 sessions, game over for Oz...
 
Freddie Flintoff out for the last time

Added a useful 22 and in good time
 
Broad murdering North

Lead over 400 now

I'm afraid its all going down all too soon for Aussies
 
No way can the Aussies win this from here. I am not even sure if they can draw the match on this pitch. Looks like the decision not to play a specialist spinner i.e Hauritz may well be a horrible blunder.
 
Swann 63 (55) out ct Haddin off Hilfenhaus
Eng 333-8 - lead of 505 runs

Anderson comes in. He is on a pair
Trott on 95
 
Juggernaut said:
come on trott ... get out on 99 ... fingers crossed
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like Asim Kamal - out on 99 in first match

And he (Trott) becomes the 18th Englishman to make a hundred on debut, and the first since Graham Thorpe in 1993 to do so against Australia.
 
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