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England v Pakistan | 3rd Test | Birmingham | Aug 3-7, 2016 | Day 1

I agree with A. But with B, this has happened before. If the u pire had given it leg before and not caught then umpires call would have been out. Im 100 percent sure. The umpire gave it caught.
Yeah the on field umpire gave it out caught, and the hotspot showed a mark on his glove. You can't overturn the on field umpire's decision unless there's conclusive evidence suggesting he made a mistake

I'm trying to figure out what evidence the 3rd umpire had to overturn the original decision which was out.
 
I think, Misbah has made up mid to use Aamir & Sohail for 2nd ball; which I think is wrong. He should have used Rahat for 2nd ball - still can, but Rahat probably already in his 4th over of this spell.
 
The confusion starts from there - what is close call?

I thought about it too as soon as I posted.

Close calls may be calls where the ball pitches in line and appears to hit the stumps to naked eye.

I think 3rd umpire to should take into consideration all modes of dismissals when a call is referred to him. Not just what the on-field umpire gave the decision for.
 
Amir or sohail should be bowling from the other end ..its not necessary to keep yasir at one end


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I think, Misbah has made up mid to use Aamir & Sohail for 2nd ball; which I think is wrong. He should have used Rahat for 2nd ball - still can, but Rahat probably already in his 4th over of this spell.

So give him 2 with the new ball along with Amir and replace him with Sohail after
 
Yeah the on field umpire gave it out caught, and the hotspot showed a mark on his glove. You can't overturn the on field umpire's decision unless there's conclusive evidence suggesting he made a mistake

I'm trying to figure out what evidence the 3rd umpire had to overturn the original decision which was out.

Which hotspot camera angle did you see the mark on the glove from out of interest? Going to have another rewind in a minute as I couldn't see any from front on.
 
Good for us to not get the wickets too quickly probably will lose 3 wkts in 5 overs


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I thought about it too as soon as I posted.

Close calls may be calls where the ball pitches in line and appears to hit the stumps to naked eye.

I think 3rd umpire to should take into consideration all modes of dismissals when a call is referred to him. Not just what the on-field umpire gave the decision for.

He does take into account all forms of dismissal, but so does the onfield umpire. The onfield umpire also considered the lbw and gave it not out.
 
If England go above 300 then I would say it's advantage England
 
So give him 2 with the new ball along with Amir and replace him with Sohail after

Sohail has to take the New ball. May be Rahat can continue for cuple of overs. But Aamir has bowled only 13, Sohail 20, Rahat 19 - which means Cuptan has lost his count.
 
England already have scored 15 runs more than they needed , they are just building up lead for the next innings.
 
By each day, I do praise BCCI for not using DRS, which creates more confusion & frustration among players. And this'll continue, till it's kept with players.

Take out the DRS from players - give it to field Umpire. If he is confused, he can ask his partner/3rd Umpire for confirmation.


DRS is still better than nothing. My personal opinion has always been that you only need TV replays to remove howlers which was the original point of DRS. Anything not conclusive from TV replays should stay with the on field decision.
 
He does take into account all forms of dismissal, but so does the onfield umpire. The onfield umpire also considered the lbw and gave it not out.

DRS is not perfect. But it is better to have it.

How many times India got screwed for not using DRS, I lost the count.
 
Moin Ali playing a gem here


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Just had a very quick rewatch, I don't see any mark on the glove on front on hotspot which would presumably be the perfect angle?

The ball hit the glove - it's clear from front angle replay, close up. If you play and pause on Sky it's clear he gloved because the glove moves after the ball brushes it.
3rd Umpre should have replayed that part a few times rather than looking for inside edge.
 
Which hotspot camera angle did you see the mark on the glove from out of interest? Going to have another rewind in a minute as I couldn't see any from front on.
There was a mark on the glove but I thought it was glove hitting the flap of the pad ..

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Moeen killing us. He is taken the game away with his aggressive batting.
 
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He does take into account all forms of dismissal, but so does the onfield umpire. The onfield umpire also considered the lbw and gave it not out.
But what if he gave it not out thinking that it hit the bat? Might well have also given the lbw..

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England would have taken 275 all lout on Day-1 after thier top order failure.

They still have 3 wickets remaining. They should score a minimum of 50 runs from here.
 
But what if he gave it not out thinking that it hit the bat? Might well have also given the lbw..

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Then the umpire will tell the third umpire that he thinks he's edged it and if not he thinks it's out (although very rare).
 
DRS is still better than nothing. My personal opinion has always been that you only need TV replays to remove howlers which was the original point of DRS. Anything not conclusive from TV replays should stay as the on field decision.

All of you are missing the key point here - what is conclusive in Cricket?

I am given LBW on something that pitched 51% with in line, 3rd Umpire 'll keep that. I am not given out for anything 49% within line, the call'll remain Not Out. Same for catches or any other form of dismissal.

Then they limit the DRS options - a mockery that was exposed in Kandy Test. Angelo went for couple of close calls, which could have easily given out & Aussies would have wasted Reviews (if they had any). Then Umpire makes a howler & whole stadium/world could see that - but the DRS policy doesn't allow to rectify that & had rain came couple of hours earlier at Kandy that day ........... you know.

I keep repeating that, DRS should be kept with Umpires. These days, 90% decisions remains with Umpires & many of them ends as one side being upset - take out the DRS appeal, whatever is given by Field Umpire should stand & player would accept that as part of the game. If the Umpire (both on field or 3rd Umpire) is not sure, or can notice a gross mistake - field umpire can cross check or even can call back the batsman (or give him out) before batsman leaves the field or the next ball is bowled.

They are calling back batsman being dismissed of an un-called No Ball.
 
Wasting new ball on amir.

Your wrist slitting is just cringe worthy. Every moment of every Test youve been wrist slitting. Its getting really annoying for everyone now. Cant even tell if youre being serious ever since you said they have a good chance to get 400.
 
All of you are missing the key point here - what is conclusive in Cricket?

I am given LBW on something that pitched 51% with in line, 3rd Umpire 'll keep that. I am not given out for anything 49% within line, the call'll remain Not Out. Same for catches or any other form of dismissal.

Then they limit the DRS options - a mockery that was exposed in Kandy Test. Angelo went for couple of close calls, which could have easily given out & Aussies would have wasted Reviews (if they had any). Then Umpire makes a howler & whole stadium/world could see that - but the DRS policy doesn't allow to rectify that & had rain came couple of hours earlier at Kandy that day ........... you know.

I keep repeating that, DRS should be kept with Umpires. These days, 90% decisions remains with Umpires & many of them ends as one side being upset - take out the DRS appeal, whatever is given by Field Umpire should stand & player would accept that as part of the game. If the Umpire (both on field or 3rd Umpire) is not sure, or can notice a gross mistake - field umpire can cross check or even can call back the batsman (or give him out) before batsman leaves the field or the next ball is bowled.

They are calling back batsman being dismissed of an un-called No Ball.

lol enough of this, it's not about the lbw, that's all fair enough

but the ball smothers the glove after the pad. anybody on sky can rewind and see for themselves, as the coverage is paying no attention
 
Just for a better clarification - this was given caught, but not LBW. Now, for a scenario, had the ball pitched 1 CM inside & hitting the Stamps less than 50% (or other way) - still it was Not Out, as the initial decision was Not Out for LBW.

Only possible in ICC - most incompetent & backward Sports Governing body.
 
lol enough of this, it's not about the lbw, that's all fair enough

but the ball smothers the glove after the pad. anybody on sky can rewind and see for themselves, as the coverage is paying no attention

Nothing on snicko or hotspot doesn't particularly help the case.
 
Not gonna look for it. Is it the one where you said he should be close to the seniors in the slips somewhere?

Absolutely.

A young opener. Brought into side in a situation which for him is a pressure situation. And you make him patrolling the boundaries.

Should have him fielding in slips or in close company of seniors who are supposed to relax his nerves.

Misfielding gave a hint that he is nervy.

8 down now.Get Aslam in slips Misbah. Have a fun chat with him. Help the young fellow.
 
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