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England v Pakistan | 3rd Test | Birmingham | Aug 3-7, 2016 | Day 4

dhump said:
people here want Shah and Amir our of the team let alone Rahat Ali.


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Shah and Amir have hundreds of fans. Poor Rahat has lone supporters like me:(

Edit: Forgot brother [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]:yk
 
street cricketer said:
Game was never against the favour of Pakistan after the openers got out early in the morning and especially after Root's wicket.
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Nah dude.....

Look at the wickets thrown away. If Root hadn't played the shot, the whole situation would look different.

Its like Pakistan threw them away. If one of Pak batsmen had stuck in and got a lead of just 60 more runs, England would have probably self destructed or still been under terrible pressure with a lead of just 120.

Small hinges swing big doors.

Both sides almost got to the door but didn't slam it shut.
 
street cricketer said:
Game was never against the favour of Pakistan after the openers got out early in the morning and especially after Root's wicket.
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Do you always present your opinion as a fact? Even at this stage with Pak bowlers on top, every oddsmaker on earth has England far more likely to win than Pakistan.

Pakistan has fought back amazingly well. Hopefully they can pull it off from here, and it will be an amazing comeback win.
 
Expensive over from Rahat not a good timez


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Somehow people are criticising England's lack of initiative.

I am afraid that's missing the larger picture.

The series is on line.

England had to get to 200 lead first and then take it to 300 to avoid defeat and ensure a win/draw scenario.

They screwed up by throwing their wickets away just like Pak did.

If they had scored fast and crumbled for a lead of just 200 or 220....Pakistan would fancy chasing that.

When pitch doesn't have too much life, its a sound strategy to be steady (considering you have a deep but frail batting lineup) and then go bang-bang in the end.

As I am typing it, England have got 300 now...with a lead of 200.

If they scrape another 100 somehow, they are front runners in this game.
 
sloppy cricket from Pakistan moin given single.


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sensible-indian-fan said:
Somehow people are criticising England's lack of initiative.

I am afraid that's missing the larger picture.

The series is on line.

England had to get to 200 lead first and then take it to 300 to avoid defeat and ensure a win/draw scenario.

They screwed up by throwing their wickets away just like Pak did.

If they had scored fast and crumbled for a lead of just 200 or 220....Pakistan would fancy chasing that.

When pitch doesn't have too much life, its a sound strategy to be steady (considering you have a deep but frail batting lineup) and then go bang-bang in the end.

As I am typing it, England have got 300 now...with a lead of 200.

If they scrape another 100 somehow, they are front runners in this game.
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Eng have always been front runners in the game at every stage as per oddsmakers. However, that being said, they will not be able to score another 100 runs in quick time. Unless we get them all out, Cook will be defensive and declare once lead is 300. At that stage, Pak will have to bat 75-80 overs, and hopefully we can do that.

Alternately, we take the final 5 wickets asap and get back into the game.
 
What do you expect Misbah to do?

Defense field with some attacking options are the way to go right now.

Run rate is of paramount important.

Give away 30 runs fast and momentum will shift.
 
dhump said:
why so defensive Misbah ??


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This is the first time I will disagree with you today. Despite our positive hopes, facts are that England are miles ahead in the game. However, Cook is so defensive he will not declare before a 300 run lead. Pak have to make sure if England get to 300, it takes them as long as possible. To me, it is ok to defend a little at this stage now. No need to over attack and give easy runs.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Nah dude.....

Look at the wickets thrown away. If Root hadn't played the shot, the whole situation would look different.

Its like Pakistan threw them away. If one of Pak batsmen had stuck in and got a lead of just 60 more runs, England would have probably self destructed or still been under terrible pressure with a lead of just 120.

Small hinges swing big doors.

Both sides almost got to the door but didn't slam it shut.
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England had a failing middle order and only Cook and Root had really cashed on in the series. England had just about a 100 run lead when Root was batting. The pressure was always on them to take England to a safe total and not to lose their wickets. In that sense, Pak were never out of the game. And they duly lost their wickets. But once the lead crosses 200, I would say England will have the upper hand.
 
There has been nothing out of the book from bowlers. No well directed bouncers, no change of Angle etc.

England have shown no intent thus far and neither have Pakistan. Thats why game has gone nowhere

Yasir has bowled quite poorly TBH, and hasnt targeted the outside of off-stump enough
 
ViciousMachine said:
Eng have always been front runners in the game at every stage as per oddsmakers. However, that being said, they will not be able to score another 100 runs in quick time. Unless we get them all out, Cook will be defensive and declare once lead is 300. At that stage, Pak will have to bat 75-80 overs, and hopefully we can do that.

Alternately, we take the final 5 wickets asap and get back into the game.
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They can't score 100 fast unless they slog towrads the end. But 20-30 runs fast now and you may see it.

Forget the betting odds. It gave england positive rating most of Lord's when Pakistan was on top.

Pakistan have done very very well in their bowling to be in the game. Yes, a couple of wickets and England may panic cos 250 is the absolute minimum they need in this pitch for mindset sake. Historically its not easy to chase but this pitch has been easier than others in the past so that's that.
 
ViciousMachine said:
This is the first time I will disagree with you today. Despite our positive hopes, facts are that England are miles ahead in the game. However, Cook is so defensive he will not declare before a 300 run lead. Pak have to make sure if England get to 300, it takes them as long as possible. To me, it is ok to defend a little at this stage now. No need to over attack and give easy runs.
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I am not saying to go full on attacking but giving so many options to score and this idea that we are not trying to get you out will not only increase his confidence but also keep Moin safe on other end.


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sensible-indian-fan said:
What do you expect Misbah to do?

Defense field with some attacking options are the way to go right now.

Run rate is of paramount important.

Give away 30 runs fast and momentum will shift.
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For Yasir he should be a little more attacking. For example Bairstow is strong through midwicket/square leg vs Yasir. So why have mid off back and cover point back? Tempt him to go over and he could make a mistake.
 
Lead 201. Should get 285 lead and then declare. It has never been chased at this ground and Cook should back his bowlers to win from there.
 
street cricketer said:
England had a failing middle order and only Cook and Root had really cashed on in the series. England had just about a 100 run lead when Root was batting. The pressure was always on them to take England to a safe total and not to lose their wickets. In that sense, Pak were never out of the game. And they duly lost their wickets. But once the lead crosses 200, I would say England will have the upper hand.
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You have to look at the situation.

Was the pitch a tough one? Then I agree with you.

In this pitch, you could bat if you were careful and England threw their wickets away.

I am not going by scores but also by what the pitch conditions were.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Somehow people are criticising England's lack of initiative.

I am afraid that's missing the larger picture.

The series is on line.

England had to get to 200 lead first and then take it to 300 to avoid defeat and ensure a win/draw scenario.

They screwed up by throwing their wickets away just like Pak did.

If they had scored fast and crumbled for a lead of just 200 or 220....Pakistan would fancy chasing that.

When pitch doesn't have too much life, its a sound strategy to be steady (considering you have a deep but frail batting lineup) and then go bang-bang in the end.

As I am typing it, England have got 300 now...with a lead of 200.

If they scrape another 100 somehow, they are front runners in this game.
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Time is important, If England set Pakistan a target of 300+ they will have to score those 100 runs in <25 overs otherwise Pak will have only 70-odd overs to face and they can deadbat their way to a draw.
 
Hasan123 said:
For Yasir he should be a little more attacking. For example Bairstow is strong through midwicket/square leg vs Yasir. So why have mid off back and cover point back? Tempt him to go over and he could make a mistake.
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I was speaking from a general level. Not specifics.

Not watching game from ball to ball...so you are probably right.

But need fielders in the deep too.

Believe it or not, Kohli messed up last game by being too aggressive at the start where too many boundaries were given. Of course bowlers didn't do well but sometimes these things matter.
 
ViciousMachine said:
Do you always present your opinion as a fact? Even at this stage with Pak bowlers on top, every oddsmaker on earth has England far more likely to win than Pakistan.

Pakistan has fought back amazingly well. Hopefully they can pull it off from here, and it will be an amazing comeback win.
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Lol did you get up today on the wrong side of the bed or what?:narine

I'm obviously not stating a fact, but just my view. Don't like it, ignore it.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Lead 201. Should get 285 lead and then declare. It has never been chased at this ground and Cook should back his bowlers to win from there.
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Such a declaration would never happen so best thing for the game would be England getting All out. If England dont get All out, they will bat as long as lead doesnt become 325-350
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Time is important, If England set Pakistan a target of 300+ they will have to score those 100 runs in <25 overs otherwise Pak will have only 70-odd overs to face and they can deadbat their way to a draw.
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Yes.....true.

That's what I was talking about at the start of play and in first session.

But the wickets lost at crucial time shifted momentum.

100 more runs even with 10 overs tomorrow...gives Pakistan 80 overs to bat with 300 to face.

Draw or win - Not that much a difference from making Pakistan bat from start tom.

Pakistan really need to slow things down and take wickets.
 
hur rizvi said:
Such a declaration would never happen so best thing for the game would be England getting All out. If England dont get All out, they will bat as long as lead doesnt become 325-350
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Cook needs to be a lil more proactive if he has to win here. He doesn't want to repeat what happened in the 1st test in UAE where batting a lil slowly allowed Pakistan to get away with a draw.
 
Now Moeen taking liberties, need to be put in his place.

On a serious note, those were 2 shots of the day.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I was speaking from a general level. Not specifics.

Not watching game from ball to ball...so you are probably right.

But need fielders in the deep too.

Believe it or not, Kohli messed up last game by being too aggressive at the start where too many boundaries were given. Of course bowlers didn't do well but sometimes these things matter.
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Lead is over 200 now. Don't see us winning now. So understand the defensive tactics.

We should have attacked a bit more when vince started his innings.
 
Still lead is not in the safe territory for England.

209.

Only when it reaches 240 will they started going super bonkers.

A wicket now would mellow things down.
 
We are talking about Cook here, he will wait till the lead is at least 330-350 before declaring being his usual defensive self.
 
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