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England v Pakistan | 4th Test | The Oval | Aug 11-15, 2016 | Day 3

Pakistan should target a lead of 150+ to put any pressure on England.I think England will bat better in 2nd innings like 3rd test. So.........oh no while i am typing this Sarfraz is gone, and so my hope of a substantial lead knowing the most brittle lower order batting in the world.
 
Sarfi is the biggest chocker I have seen. He is only good for giving you 30s and 40s...

He can't seem to convert the starts into big scores, and he hasn't in this series, so far
 
We'll take a lead of 100 from hear but we'd be 100 short off what we need
 
Strike Rate said:
not more than Junaids lol he is even older than me and if i am not wrong saw many of those live in the ground. There is a reason he knows more about Pakistani cricketers from county cricket than most of pak fans here.
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Here's a quick summary of who I saw live as a kid in England in the 1970s.

MAJID KHAN - princely artist of a batsman.

ZAHEER ABBAS - same, but got a bit rattled by extreme pace.

SADIQ MOHAMMAD - fairly stodgy left-handed opener.

MUSHTAQ MOHAMMAD - really good batsman but also a very, very good leg-spinner.

ASIF IQBAL - very elegant right-handed batsman. Him and Zaheer could time a ball better than any other Pakistani I've ever seen.

SARFRAZ NAWAZ - medium-paced clone of Robin Jackman, with a volcanic temper and huge appetites!

JAVED MIANDAD (early in his career) - not the artist that Majid and Zaheer were, but the toughest competitor you could ever see.

IMRAN KHAN - from the time he left Oxford University he was not just a genuine fast bowler - quite similar to Shoaib Akhtar - but a very correct batsman who batted at 4 for Sussex.

INTIKHAB ALAM - everyone's favourite Pakistani. A leg-spinner in the Mushtaq Ahmed class (better than Mushtaq Muhammad) but also a batsman very similar to Afridi. He came in and tonked the ball everywhere, but usually didn't last long.

The sad thing is that Pakistan in the 1970s were not the Top Two team they became in the early 1980s. But all nine of those players would walk straight into the current team (although Sadiq was only in the Salman Butt class).
 
woakes and ramiz have been unplayable bowling together throughout the series.

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Worst player of pace has just pulled England's fastest bowler for four.


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Tactical from Bumble, asked Ramiz to commentate just when England needed the wicket.
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Someone please sledge Wahab right now !! Would absolutely do us wonders if he gets even slightly upset or angry !!
 
extend the lead to 120 if possible, but more importantly, we need to take 3 wickets before england erase the defecit
 
Junaids said:
Here's a quick summary of who I saw live as a kid in England in the 1970s.

MAJID KHAN - princely artist of a batsman.

ZAHEER ABBAS - same, but got a bit rattled by extreme pace.

SADIQ MOHAMMAD - fairly stodgy left-handed opener.

MUSHTAQ MOHAMMAD - really good batsman but also a very, very good leg-spinner.

ASIF IQBAL - very elegant right-handed batsman. Him and Zaheer could time a ball better than any other Pakistani I've ever seen.

SARFRAZ NAWAZ - medium-paced clone of Robin Jackman, with a volcanic temper and huge appetites!

JAVED MIANDAD (early in his career) - not the artist that Majid and Zaheer were, but the toughest competitor you could ever see.

IMRAN KHAN - from the time he left Oxford University he was not just a genuine fast bowler - quite similar to Shoaib Akhtar - but a very correct batsman who batted at 4 for Sussex.

INTIKHAB ALAM - everyone's favourite Pakistani. A leg-spinner in the Mushtaq Ahmed class (better than Mushtaq Muhammad) but also a batsman very similar to Afridi. He came in and tonked the ball everywhere, but usually didn't last long.

The sad thing is that Pakistan in the 1970s were not the Top Two team they became in the early 1980s. But all nine of those players would walk straight into the current team (although Sadiq was only in the Salman Butt class).
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Great words, just one confusion - someone Denis Keith Lillee was asked about top 5 openers he had bowled ever; the 4th name was Sadiq Mohammad. Do you think, DK would have rated Sulman Butt among his top 5?
 
Unless Yasir shah actually starts to turn the ball I can see us dismissing England cheaply in the 2nd innings
 
Just like England wiped off the 100 lead in 20 overs in the last test and made a lead of over 300 in the space of 4 sessions.
 
Junaids said:
Here's a quick summary of who I saw live as a kid in England in the 1970s.

MAJID KHAN - princely artist of a batsman.

ZAHEER ABBAS - same, but got a bit rattled by extreme pace.

SADIQ MOHAMMAD - fairly stodgy left-handed opener.

MUSHTAQ MOHAMMAD - really good batsman but also a very, very good leg-spinner.

ASIF IQBAL - very elegant right-handed batsman. Him and Zaheer could time a ball better than any other Pakistani I've ever seen.

SARFRAZ NAWAZ - medium-paced clone of Robin Jackman, with a volcanic temper and huge appetites!

JAVED MIANDAD (early in his career) - not the artist that Majid and Zaheer were, but the toughest competitor you could ever see.

IMRAN KHAN - from the time he left Oxford University he was not just a genuine fast bowler - quite similar to Shoaib Akhtar - but a very correct batsman who batted at 4 for Sussex.

INTIKHAB ALAM - everyone's favourite Pakistani. A leg-spinner in the Mushtaq Ahmed class (better than Mushtaq Muhammad) but also a batsman very similar to Afridi. He came in and tonked the ball everywhere, but usually didn't last long.

The sad thing is that Pakistan in the 1970s were not the Top Two team they became in the early 1980s. But all nine of those players would walk straight into the current team (although Sadiq was only in the Salman Butt class).
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Thanks for summary and for sharing your experience always enjoy reading your posts. Imran surely did enjoyed a legend like status everywhere but if i am not wrong Majid, Inti and Zaheer were probably the fav pak players in county circuit. A few of those Pakistani players who played in county cricket later settled in England.
 
If we don't get a lead of 150 then advantage England
 
Sarfraz Ahmed scores this series:

25 + 45
26 + 7
46* + 0
44

Sooner or later Pakistan is going to have to deal with the fact that it is Sarfraz' inability to make big scores which is stopping you from picking a pace bowling all-rounder like Hasan Ali, Amad Butt or Aamer Yamin.

Cricket has changed. Not only can you not afford a keeper like Wasim Bari who scored no runs, you can't afford one like Rashid Latif or Sarfraz who scores 40s but not bigger innings.
 
PAK's tail is good actually for this match, if they can apply themselves, these 3 can help YK to get even a double.
 
Junaids said:
Sarfraz Ahmed scores this series:

25 + 45
26 + 7
46* + 0
44

Sooner or later Pakistan is going to have to deal with the fact that it is Sarfraz' inability to make big scores which is stopping you from picking a pace bowling all-rounder like Hasan Ali, Amad Butt or Aamer Yamin.

Cricket has changed. Not only can you not afford a keeper like Wasim Bari who scored no runs, you can't afford one like Rashid Latif or Sarfraz who scores 40s but not bigger innings.
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Cricket have changed but going by our history at this age he already performed better than all our wk batsmen.
 
Need Younis to push on to 150 and beyond. I'll be happy with 50 between Wahab, Amir and Sohail who aren't complete bunnies with the bat.
 
MMHS said:
PAK's tail is good actually for this match, if they can apply themselves, these 3 can help YK to get even a double.
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What lead you reckon pak need at the very least on this wicket
 
Ramiz great technical analysis lmao surely someone is doing this research for him.
 
Junaids said:
Sarfraz Ahmed scores this series:

25 + 45
26 + 7
46* + 0
44

Sooner or later Pakistan is going to have to deal with the fact that it is Sarfraz' inability to make big scores which is stopping you from picking a pace bowling all-rounder like Hasan Ali, Amad Butt or Aamer Yamin.

Cricket has changed. Not only can you not afford a keeper like Wasim Bari who scored no runs, you can't afford one like Rashid Latif or Sarfraz who scores 40s but not bigger innings.
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This is the best we have , and we can't go without a keep , can we?
 
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