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England v Pakistan | 4th Test | The Oval | Aug 11-15, 2016 | Day 3

I know I think that Younis needs to be replaced, but I must say, I thoroughly admire the guy's stamina, concentration, fitness and self-discipline.

I don't know if you guys realise, but he's my favourite modern day Pakistan batsman. That's why I want him to retire with dignity, not as an object of derision.
 
MMHS said:
150 for YK - today, I guess there are too many people feeling ill in Peshawar..............
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That would have made sense had YK been before Peshawar. He is from Mardan and lived major part of his life in Karachi.


This is what happens when every Tom, Dick and Harry tries to act like an expert..
 
Junaids said:
I know I think that Younis needs to be replaced, but I must say, I thoroughly admire the guy's stamina, concentration, fitness and self-discipline.

I don't know if you guys realise, but he's my favourite modern day Pakistan batsman. That's why I want him to retire with dignity, not as an object of derision.
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Well played! :yk
 
Rayyman said:
Time to smash and go all out. :afridi
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No no no. Not at all.

You need to bat as long as you can, get as big a lead as you can.

The later Yasir Shah bowls, the more the pitch will assist him. And the bigger the lead, the easier his job.
 
It was absolutely great to see the three apprentices applaud the legend out there !! What a wonderful sight that was :14:
 
Syed1 said:
That would have made sense had YK been before Peshawar. He is from Mardan and lived major part of his life in Karachi.


This is what happens when every Tom, Dick and Harry tries to act like an expert..
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I think he was talking about [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
Junaids said:
So why is Rizwan in the full squad for England while Babar Azam is not?

I tell you, cricket has changed.

Jonny Bairstow isn't a wicketkeeper, although his Dad was. He is a specialist batsman who is learning to keep wicket - which he doesn't even do for his county - because England want to be able to pick Woakes and Stokes as 3rd and 4th quick bowlers who can bat.

BJ Watling wasn't a keeper either. Neither was Dinesh Chandimal. And AB De Villiers was a part-time keeper until Mark Boucher retired.

The point is that you play your Tests against these countries. And they use converted batsmen to keep wicket so that they can get even more runs out of whoever keeps wicket and so that they can play an extra bowler.

I don't think Yasir Shah is going to take wickets in Australia and New Zealand, so your keeper will mainly be a goalkeeper to your quick bowlers.

If you're telling me that Mohammad Rizwan isn't a good enough batsman to do what Watling, Chandimal and Bairstow do, fine. I'd select Umar Akmal instead to play goalie outside Asia and score runs.

Sarfraz Ahmed's entire career scores outside Asia are:

IN AUSTRALIA:
1 + 5

IN SOUTH AFRICA:
2 + 6
13 + 5
17 + 40

IN ENGLAND:
25 + 45
26 + 7
46* + 0
44

SARFRAZ AHMED TEST RECORD OUTSIDE ASIA
8 Tests in 3 continents.
15 Innings
0 Fifties
0 Centuries
Highest score 46 not out
Average of 20.14

Those are Mohammad Hafeez-level numbers.

I don't think you can afford to carry Sarfraz Ahmed outside Asia. Sorry.
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This is pretty stupid logic from you and again shows your
1) lack of understanding of cricket
2) ignorance regarding Pakistan cricket
3) failure to understand things such as context

It's absolutely ridiculous and laughable for you to consider Sarfaraz's record outside Asia prior to this series. His Australia match you point to was his debut match which came after the Sydney 2010 debacle. Pakistans confidence was at an all time low and he was specially flown in from Pakistan on the eve of the test to replace the butter fingered Kamran Akmal. So to expect any Pakistani player to perform very well in Australia on his debut match where he has flown into Australia one day before the Test is a ridiculous expectation

The South Africa numbers you point to are again misleading because for a long time he was being given tough away tours whereas golden boy Adnan Akmal was playing in UAE. So the South Africa series again was him playing after a long time out.

Only after he did well on the Sri Lanka tour of the year later was it not possible to play Akmal over him in UAE. He got the UAE matches and grabbed the opportunity with both hands.

Only since then is he established and it is fair to look at his numbers outside Asia. This is his first series and he has done reasonably okay and certainly better than the expectations we have of our keeper batsmen and their historical performances in England.

Now coming to the current situation. I definitely don't think Sarfaraz is eequipped to play long, match impacting innings in most conditions outside Asia. But he has done generally ok and exceeded expectations this series.

But the question is do we have replacements and this is where you have shown your total ignorance in the matter. You are cheerleading Rizwans inclusion here but then apparently you are also the 'Englishman' who wants Amad Butt, Hasan Ali and Jaahid Ali in the Pakistan squad and seem to be fairly confident in their ability and game which is pretty interesting considering most Pakistan fans themselves haven't seen them play.

Rizwan won't be put better number than what Sarfataz has put in England period. Sarfaraz's numbers aren't great either but with Rizwans style and technique it is a recipe for disaster to think he was average more than the late 20s and high 30s that Sarfaraz has done.

Now finally lets come to the keeping aspect. Sarfaraz is a superior keeper to Rizwan in every condition there possibly is. Rizwans keeping has left a lot to be desired even in the one day arena in UAE. With a team like Pakistan it is imperative that we have a relatively safe keeper who keeps bowler at a minimum. Sarfaraz by and large does that. He won't take any screamers which Rizwan might but he sure as hell is an overall safer keeper than Rizwan.

Pakistan can't afford the keeper dropping catches along with our slips so it is imperative we have the best option there who had SOME contribution with the bat.

On the basis of this series Sarfaraz has some very well and had certainly booked his seat for the tours of Australia and New Zealand.
 
If we have a decent tailenders and better batsman than Iftikhar we can take at least 200+ runs lead.
Can Hafeez can bowl in ODI?
 
Junaids said:
I know I think that Younis needs to be replaced, but I must say, I thoroughly admire the guy's stamina, concentration, fitness and self-discipline.

I don't know if you guys realise, but he's my favourite modern day Pakistan batsman. That's why I want him to retire with dignity, not as an object of derision.
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He is a different class. I always say that everyone has to face their nemesis, that's age. He is almost 42-43 now & eventually a day would come (already started) one has to lose out to age, but this guy is a champion competitor. Now that, he is at the wrong side of age - became subject to cheap shots.

Ironically, I posted that he might end his last English tour with a 170 at Oval - indeed he is heading for that.
 
Junaids said:
No no no. Not at all.

You need to bat as long as you can, get as big a lead as you can.

The later Yasir Shah bowls, the more the pitch will assist him. And the bigger the lead, the easier his job.
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Scared of our hitters?:amir:sk
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Boss, I believe this debate should end here. Yasir scored 26 & put 69 with Azhar, Wahab so far has added 35 & those 4 tail-enders actually can contribute 200 runs worth of partnerships, if they apply themselves.

Batting by tail is a function of your top order & how tiered your bowlers are. Looking at ENG's batting depth, I still believe that PAK would have done better with 5 bowlers.
 
Wahab having is absolute Akmal moment here...diminishing our chances of good lead.
 
Others batsmen punish you when you drop them for some reasons ours panic.
 
Come on Amir better your highest score man you can do it here and it is needed.
 
Pakistan's top scorer in the series -286 runs and counting. Well done YK. Even at his worst, he's still the best in the team. What a playa!!
 
I think, Sohail deserved a promotion here after his last innings.
 
MMHS said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Boss, I believe this debate should end here. Yasir scored 26 & put 69 with Azhar, Wahab so far has added 35 & those 4 tail-enders actually can contribute 200 runs worth of partnerships, if they apply themselves.

Batting by tail is a function of your top order & how tiered your bowlers are. Looking at ENG's batting depth, I still believe that PAK would have done better with 5 bowlers.
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Until we have a genuine AR, playing a genuine bowler ahead of Iftikhar type lulloss is far more beneficial
 
The sun's out, still a decent wicket to bat on. Definitely can eke out another 30-35 runs.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Pakistan's top scorer in the series -286 runs and counting. Well done YK. Even at his worst, he's still the best in the team. What a playa!!
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REspect for the Man. I called it before the series YK will be the highest scorer for Pakistan
 
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