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ICC World Cup 2023: Pakistan vs Netherlands | 2nd Match | Hyderabad | 06 October | Pre-match discussion

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Probably wouldn’t happen knowing our history but don’t you think it would make sense to throw players who are not exactly first choice XI and test them out? Talking about Usama amir, Wasim, Shafique, etc.
 
What's the point? Even if they do well, they will sit out the next match.

Chances are given in bilateral series. Where a player can play atleast 3 matches, not in the opening match of a World Cup.

Plus I never understood all this fuss about testing bench strength.
India has been testing bench strengths but players like Sanju Samson, Prasidh Krishna, Washington Sundar, Tilak Verma who did well are now not in the squad anyways. So what's the point?
 
Probably wouldn’t happen knowing our history but don’t you think it would make sense to throw players who are not exactly first choice XI and test them out? Talking about Usama amir, Wasim, Shafique, etc.
They should give everyone chance in the warmup matches and play the best possible XI against Netherlands and so on. In a world cup, teams should only experiment when they have already qualified.
Pakistan is one of those teams who are slow starters and they often lose games in the start. I am quite concerned about Netherlands and Sri Lanka because both are do or die games and they are the first two games for us. It would be an insult to lose to the two qualifiers in the World Cup
 
If it is a warmup, they should rest the main players.

They already got match practices (just came from Asia Cup).
 
Should have tested them out in the 3 match tour earlier on this year.

Oh wait…
 
No way. every world cup match is Very Important so Play best possible playing eleven in every match
Oh are you talking about warm match then they can play whoever they want .
 
No, they can use the warm-up games to test fringe players (If necessary).

Once the real games start, you need to focus on fielding the best XI. It's important for team chemistry and momentum. Plus, it's these games that need to be used to increase the NRR and get off to a good start.
 
Play your intended first XI in the first warmup game against New Zealand, then play everyone who didn't play in the second warmup against Australia
 
What's the point? Even if they do well, they will sit out the next match.

Chances are given in bilateral series. Where a player can play atleast 3 matches, not in the opening match of a World Cup.

Plus I never understood all this fuss about testing bench strength.
India has been testing bench strengths but players like Sanju Samson, Prasidh Krishna, Washington Sundar, Tilak Verma who did well are now not in the squad anyways. So what's the point?
Point is your main players are not fatigued, over burdened with high chances of getting unfit and if a case like Naseem Shah happens, you know who to play rather than adding a undercooked, out of practice laddo bowler in a rush.
 
Point is your main players are not fatigued, over burdened with high chances of getting unfit and if a case like Naseem Shah happens, you know who to play rather than adding a undercooked, out of practice laddo bowler in a rush.
Pakistan just doesn't play enough matches unlike India for the players to feel over burdened

In Naseem's case, skipping the LPL instead of Pakistan matches would have been more preferable
 
In warmup can play the whole squad

That's even better, I hope we take advantage of this and get everyone some game action. Make sure all the batsman play a set number of deliveries and the bowlers bowl a good number of overs across both matches.
 
Let the stat padders get their hundreds vs Netherlands and then watch them miss out on the big games because of “back spasms” etc.

Our players have found a loophole to avoid being dropped or criticised.
 
Took a day off work because I want to watch every delivery. I cannot wait, this world cup will be amazing.

We should bat first and aim for 320+.
 
Need to start well as NRR will be crucial don't wanna go that 2019 route
Play your best team
 
Netherlands have a decent i am not kidding you will be a good game but as it is subcontinent we shud have too kuch firepower
 
Netherlands have a decent i am not kidding you will be a good game but as it is subcontinent we shud have too kuch firepower
yeah they have already gave pakistan a bit of tough time on their last tour to Netherlands. Few matches went so close, so i think pakistan must not take them easy at all.
 
I have a funny feeling since its Paks first game this will be a close, Pak will win but it wont be pretty that is my feeling. Pretty or ugly lets hope they can get it done. Cannot take the Netherlands lightly.
 
I have a funny feeling since its Paks first game this will be a close, Pak will win but it wont be pretty that is my feeling. Pretty or ugly lets hope they can get it done. Cannot take the Netherlands lightly.
I have the same feeling

Netherlands are going to give it their all. The worst time for Pakistan to play their easiest game on paper is the first match of the tournament
 
Pakistan just doesn't play enough matches unlike India for the players to feel over burdened

In Naseem's case, skipping the LPL instead of Pakistan matches would have been more preferable
It's just not Pakistan matches, it's the PSL, the leagues around the world, plus it's not only India other countries have the same approach.
 
They should use the warm up games to decide the XI for the first game against Netherlands.

Abdullah and Saud should be playing through practise matches.
 
What's the point? Even if they do well, they will sit out the next match.

Chances are given in bilateral series. Where a player can play atleast 3 matches, not in the opening match of a World Cup.

Plus I never understood all this fuss about testing bench strength.
India has been testing bench strengths but players like Sanju Samson, Prasidh Krishna, Washington Sundar, Tilak Verma who did well are now not in the squad anyways. So what's the point?
Well the bench strength is important in the case like Naseem Shah happening. You don’t want to be without your main bowler in a big tournament. So you make sure decent backups are ready and waiting to be called up when needed.
 
My experience says during the world cup, players start dropping like flies thanks to injuries. I have known this to happen almost every world cup. The stress (mental and physical) is too much and players give it their all during these games. We should shield in particular our fast bowlers Afridi and Rauf. I think we should rotate those two against weaker oppositions.
 
My experience says during the world cup, players start dropping like flies thanks to injuries. I have known this to happen almost every world cup. The stress (mental and physical) is too much and players give it their all during these games. We should shield in particular our fast bowlers Afridi and Rauf. I think we should rotate those two against weaker oppositions.
There's no way we do this in the first game of the tournament. A loss under these circumstances would be a death blow and no-one will want to take that risk.

Given the structure of the WC any rotation of the pacers is likely going to have to be forced. Otherwise what game do we think we can afford to rest Shaheen and Rauf for?

The players are just going to have to rest well beforehand and then dig deep once proceedings start.
 
The one venue in India where Pakistan can expect a fair amount of support.

Should help Bobby and co. play with a bit of confidence.
 
Perfect place to play both Saud and Usama.

Fakhar, Imam, Babar, Rizzy, Saud, Iftikhar, Shadab, Usama, Hassan, Rauf, Shaheen
 
My experience says during the world cup, players start dropping like flies thanks to injuries. I have known this to happen almost every world cup. The stress (mental and physical) is too much and players give it their all during these games. We should shield in particular our fast bowlers Afridi and Rauf. I think we should rotate those two against weaker oppositions.
Not happening
 
Pakistan went with Fakhar and Imam as openers in today's match that is an indication that we are likely to see this pair opening for Pakistan against Netherlands. Personally, I would like to see Abdullah and Imam as our openers.
 
Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Chacha
Shadab
Nawaz
Hasan Ali
Shaheen
Rauf

On paper this team is ok, but the reality is that almost everyone is woefully out of form and morale feels at rock bottom.

This is essentially another warm up match but with no margin for error.
 
Way this pitch in Hyderabad is playing in my opinion whoever chase there will have the advantage and is likely to win.

Pakistan's bowling isn't good enough either to successfully defend any total.
 
Pakistan should crush Netherlands.

This is the match where Babar and Rizwan will shine.
 
Pakistan should crush Netherlands.

This is the match where Babar and Rizwan will shine.
Yeah I wouldn’t be so confident.

Netherlands is a proper team to be taken seriously, and the way our boys have disintegrated mentally, I would be extremely happy with the two points on offer here.
 
Will be interesting how XI shapes out. Some spots were up in the air between Fakhar & Abdullah, Salman vs Saud, Hasan vs Wasim Jr, Usama vs Nawaz but gotta think, it's likely Fakhar spot to open as Abdullah didn't impress in the warm-ups and Saud over Salman seems likely too.

Big toss up is Usama vs Nawaz and my guess is its likely Nawaz's spot to start but it can change pretty quickly. Wasim Jr. didn't do much to impress while Hasan Ali was overall decent.

Considering how long Pakistan have been practicing at Hyderbad, they should be quite familiar with the conditions and have a solid advantage vs Netherlands & SL.
 
Netherlands is a weak team. Netherlands lost Ranji team badly before this. In one match they were 36/9. Washed up Manish Pandey made a 100 as well. West Indies completely botched the opportunity. Windies play a lot of franchise cricket here. Ireland/Zimbabwe as well.
 
Will Pakistan announce their playing eleven today?
 
Will be interesting how XI shapes out. Some spots were up in the air between Fakhar & Abdullah, Salman vs Saud, Hasan vs Wasim Jr, Usama vs Nawaz but gotta think, it's likely Fakhar spot to open as Abdullah didn't impress in the warm-ups and Saud over Salman seems likely too.

Big toss up is Usama vs Nawaz and my guess is its likely Nawaz's spot to start but it can change pretty quickly. Wasim Jr. didn't do much to impress while Hasan Ali was overall decent.

Considering how long Pakistan have been practicing at Hyderbad, they should be quite familiar with the conditions and have a solid advantage vs Netherlands & SL.
Usama has done enough by our standards to secure a spot in starting 11
 
Will Pakistan announce their playing eleven today?
I doubt they will. Actually, I think they should not do that. It will be very awkward if they have to make any last minute change so let's keep it simple and announce the squad before the toss.
 
50-50 due to loss of Nasim, Babar inability to be a decent Captain.
 
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Babar should score a century. Let's hope Agha Salman Lahore's quota selection is dropped.
 
If Usama Mir doesn't play, it will be a disgrace.

Nawaz and Shadab might do well against Netherlands, but they will be toothless vs good batting sides. Mir can spin the ball and is a genuine wicket-taker.
 
Ofcourse Pakistan will win. it is just another practice match for Pakistan. but need to play sensibly
 
You have issues with them announcing on the toss and you had issues with them announcing 1-day prior. What do you really want?
Just asking the question

They were doing it during the Asia cup but haven’t done it so far in the World Cup

Why are you getting so defensive?
 
Once again this tournament will be ruined by the toss.

Win the toss, bat 2nd and win the game
It will sure have its impact but won't be as bad as T20 WC '21 because it is not T20. Batting first teams will win more than 30-35% games too
 
It will sure have its impact but won't be as bad as T20 WC '21 because it is not T20. Batting first teams will win more than 30-35% games too
What reasoning is that?

Are you basing that on astrology or something?

The impact will be more because the span of time affected will be much more.
 
What reasoning is that?

Are you basing that on astrology or something?

The impact will be more because the span of time affected will be much more.
No astrology of course, lol. The reason is scoreboard pressure. You have only 10 wickets and there will be matches when you have to chase 350+, I see teams failing to chase down that total 8/10 times despite of the dew factor.
 
No astrology of course, lol. The reason is scoreboard pressure. You have only 10 wickets and there will be matches when you have to chase 350+, I see teams failing to chase down that total 8/10 times despite of the dew factor.
No I think 80% of the teams chasing will win the games on these wickets. No score is safe
 
Just asking the question

They were doing it during the Asia cup but haven’t done it so far in the World Cup

Why are you getting so defensive?
I am not getting defensive at all. Just mentioning that you're never satisfied.
 
It will sure have its impact but won't be as bad as T20 WC '21 because it is not T20. Batting first teams will win more than 30-35% games too
This happened in the last IPL as well. Initially everybody was chasing and winning, but teams batting first starting doing better in the later half of the tournament.
 
There will be wickets that slow down considerably in the 2nd innings making strokeplay difficult. Especially towards the latter half of the tournament. Remember Mohali 2011 or Bangalore 96 or even Kolkata 96.

I think the first half of the tournament will be dominated by teams chasing while the second half batting first will become important.

My suggestion for Pakistan would be to chase against Netherlands and bat first against Sri Lanka as it would be the third game in 5 days at Hyderabad plus the warm up matches.
 
Pak need to start with big win tomorrow and forget whatever happened in last 4 weeks. I would go with this lineup:

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Iftikhar
Nawaz
Usama
Hasan
Shaheen
Rauf

But it is highly unlikely that they will drop Shadab, but ideally Usama deserves a place instead of Shadab.
 
Pakistan wont slip against Netherlands.

I am worried about Sri Lanka though. They look weak but they can hold their own and give Pakistan a tough time.
 
It is the first match of a very long tournament so the focus should be on winning the game rather than winning it by a huge margin.

Wrong mindset. We are gonna scrape in if we do so need to win big tomorrow cos we Will lose big to NZ, Australia and India.
 
Wrong mindset. We are gonna scrape in if we do so need to win big tomorrow cos we Will lose big to NZ, Australia and India.
What’s the point of playing? We should forfeit from the World Cup.

Have low expectations but support the team. Will England fans switch off from their team after the humiliation today?
 
What’s the point of playing? We should forfeit from the World Cup.

Have low expectations but support the team. Will England fans switch off from their team after the humiliation today?

Who said I'm not supporting. Just know that we are 6th or 7th so need to fight hard and win big vs the weaker teams.
 
Mickey Arthur said in the press conference that they will announce the squad at the toss. I hate it when they announce it in advance.
 
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