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India [187 & 247] defeat South Africa [194 & 177] by 63 runs in the 3rd Test, SA win series 2-1

That first test was because of Shafiq brilliance but overall that series was nowhere close.

This has been a fantastic series. However, Indian team have failed to capitalized on big moments. When the batting clicked for first time, their bowling disappointed. But the game isn't over yet.

That series was just as close as this one is. South Africa scored 200 more runs than India over the first two games and are now chasing down 200+ on an absolutely difficult pitch. Without Pandya's individual brilliance in the first game, India would have been humiliated so bad that every game would have been an innings victory for the Saffers.

Sorry but that's a damn poor analogy Billu. Pakistan were getting smashed at 5 an over and then OZ declared. Pakistan could not take 20 wickets in any test match.

Yes, they declared and we nearly chased it down. How does that make the game any less closer? And India could not score 350-400 in any of their innings in this series. That series favoured the batsmen, this one favoured the bowlers (except for Centurion).

Philander and Rabada can't be left obviously.

Of course, the bowlers played a major role.
 
India still on top, one wicket can bring two or three in no time at all
 
1 more wicket here and SA will be well and truly out of the game.
 
India will surely win now. And this is no trolling or jinxing. De kock is the only batsman left and he is in atrocious form. When he gets out and one end will open up, it will be a landslide of wickets.
 
He is paid to tell something that riles up audience, otherwise Social media money kahan se aaye? Just from his one comment, I can tell that Zukerberg has made several millions - that amount cascades every where down the line.

Some of the Test's played at Mikes home town in 70s & 80s won't have even started by that standard.

Agree here. That's why everyone should take comments by some of the oldies with grain of salt.
 
It's on like Donkey kong. We are back in with a shout. Cmon India!!!

India were never out of the game until SA got the target down to 25 runs with 6 wickets in hand. SA has failed to do so. To chase 240 in 4th innings isnt a joke.
 
De Kock needs to throw caution to the wind and bat like this is a T20. He desperately needs runs to retain his place for the Australian series.
 
Come on put 30-40 runs partnership here.

Cracking game this one.
 
India will surely win now. And this is no trolling or jinxing. De kock is the only batsman left and he is in atrocious form. When he gets out and one end will open up, it will be a landslide of wickets.
India need a wicket or 2 in next 19 overs but without giving more than 30-40 away. We need to hold them until new ball is due.
 
I disagree about Aus-Pakistan series being competitive.

Pakistan managed to bowl out Aus only one inning in entire series. Aus scored 2K+ runs , 88 runs per wicket. Pakistan got bowled out pretty much every time and scored less than 30 runs per wicket.

One team scoring near 90 runs per wicket and another team scoring near 30 runs per wicket. I won't call it being competitive.

That is heights of Pakistanis proving superiority over Indians! We never asked for comparisons in the first place. Let's admit we both are not good in these conditions and try to rectify any mistakes in common instead of celebrating such moral victories!
 
De Kock needs to throw caution to the wind and bat like this is a T20. He desperately needs runs to retain his place for the Australian series.

Game will be lost or won before the second new ball comes.
 
Can't fault AB and Faf too much, this pitch is extremely tough to bat on. Pandya's fielding has been Amla's bane in this series. Ran him out in Centurion when Hash was looking good for a big ton and took a fantastic catch to dismiss him here.

Elgar, de Kock, Philander, Rabada and Andile is enough batting to score 90 runs. Just have to bat very well.
 
I have a feeling SA will collapse. They have done it so many times in these situations. Chasing 240 and after 120/1 a wicket falls and then they collapse.
 
Replays indicate the ball that got AB with extra bounce and the one that got Faf with low bounce pitched in virtually the same place
 
India is playing with 3 bowlers in this test Bhuvi, Bumrah and Ishant. Shami has been totally useless throughout this series for us.
 
That is heights of Pakistanis proving superiority over Indians! We never asked for comparisons in the first place. Let's admit we both are not good in these conditions and try to rectify any mistakes in common instead of celebrating such moral victories!

Funny how you're speaking for your countrymen when my post was in response to an Indian saying 3-0 is not a fair reflection of this series.
 
I was shamefully critical of Elgar's technique last evening, but today has been a masterclass in grit and courage. Full credit to him, he deserves to be on the winning side. It'll be arduous as SA need another partnership of 50 or 60 before the tail gets exposed.
 
I have a feeling SA will collapse. They have done it so many times in these situations. Chasing 240 and after 120/1 a wicket falls and then they collapse.

Yeah, don't see de Kock lasting long
 
Like i said, de kock is in atrocious form. He is gone. He has been worse than Babar was in NZ ODIs.

Now the flood gates might open. At the most we can see a bit of resistance from philander. And India needs to be careful here because he scores a bit too quickly. Choke him for runs and he will give away his wicket.

India has won this match 80%

By the way who was Kohli pointing to when he threw that hissy fit?
 
They're losing it. This is the last partnership capable of winning this test match for South Africa.
 
Chasing in 4th ain't a joke people.

No matter who the opposition.

Anything above 180 is a hard chase and requires a lot of skill, grit and class :yk2
 
I have a feeling SA will collapse. They have done it so many times in these situations. Chasing 240 and after 120/1 a wicket falls and then they collapse.

This is the problem . It is hard to survive if you are not set and havent understood the pitch. Very hard for new man to come in and take the game.
 
Irrespective of his annoying fans got to say Amla is an amazing test bat, even if he ends up with below 50 avg ,he is an ATG for me in tests.
 
Like i said, de kock is in atrocious form. He is gone. He has been worse than Babar was in NZ ODIs.

Now the flood gates might open. At the most we can see a bit of resistance from philander. And India needs to be careful here because he scores a bit too quickly. Choke him for runs and he will give away his wicket.

India has won this match 80%

By the way who was Kohli pointing to when he threw that hissy fit?

SA can still win this if somebody goes big. And how good was the bowl that got de Kock? cricinfo says it was a shortpitch ball that didn't bounce at all. That would get most of the batsmen.
 
Gotta choke Philander's runs. He scores quickly. Cant afford to give him a quick 30 runs. He is the only thorn left now. Elgar wont win it alone.
 
Let's see if India's old problem of not being able to get the tail out occurs here.
 
I do not get it. India has lost the series 2-1. However, I do not think going forward SouthAfrica can play with 6 batsmen. DeKock is a flat track bully who cant play swing,seam or turn. Once again, lets put this thought to rest that Virat is a more gun player than AB. Not only this test but overall and in ICC tournaments as well
 
SA can still win this if somebody goes big. And how good was the bowl that got de Kock? cricinfo says it was a shortpitch ball that didn't bounce at all. That would get most of the batsmen.

SA win is improbable now. It would be a miracle if they win. 80 % match is in the bag.

De kock's ball wasnt short at all. It was a length ball which kept marginally low. Difficult to handle yes but not impossible.
 
Irrespective of his annoying fans got to say Amla is an amazing test bat, even if he ends up with below 50 avg ,he is an ATG for me in tests.

He is a champion batsman.
 
I do not get it. India has lost the series 2-1. However, I do not think going forward SouthAfrica can play with 6 batsmen. DeKock is a flat track bully who cant play swing,seam or turn. Once again, lets put this thought to rest that Virat is a more gun player than AB. Not only this test but overall and in ICC tournaments as well

South Africa should definitely play a proper all-rounder like Morris or Parnell against Australia. Philander and said all-rounder will score enough runs between them but will also ensure that the bowling is not weakened. Morris would have played in this match had it not been for him being on paternity leave.
 
Sanjay majerekar being his annoying self. "The monster has woken up". i think he means himself in the morning.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] can answer this.He was of the opinion that this pitch will get easier on 3rd and 4th day??

I don't think wicket is that easy to be honest - Amla & Elgar must have played well. Also, I am sure Kohli and his bowler suffered from "Typical Indian Test wicket syndrome", which is on under prepared wickets, after day 3, you just need to keep it tight on one spot, wicket will do rest against batsmen not skilled enough to counter vicious turning ball. It'll never happen in J'burg - you have to bend back and you have to keep batsman surprising and you'll have to make them ply with new ball. J'burg is one place where, one can leave lot on length.

Regarding the wicket, I think they kept excessive grass than normal. Usual J'burg track is hard, with lots of clay (89%! some times), BUT not much grass. That makes the hard and fast, but not much lateral movement. Normally, Day 1 is a bit slower, day 2 the fastest, 3 in best for batting (if you can play on back foot), Day 4 as well, but it starts to crack. Day 5 can go either way, but normally hit the deck type pacers find some cracks on business areas.

Here, I think for too much grass, it moved too much in early innings, but bounce saved batsmen (otherwise, you could have seen 3rd innings starting by lunch on Day 2). 2nd day wicket got harder and that grass made it uneven - but it can be awkward for bowlers as well, because they can't focus on a target (unless batsmen are chickened out).

By Day 3 & 4 I think grass has dried a bit, moisture of top surface has evaporated and that heavy roller some what bonded the top surface. It'll explode later, but by that time match should be finished either way. Had the target been 300+, I can bet SAF won't have used the heavy roller - that would have brought the 2nd ball with 50+ needed and cracks opening with grass; 7/8 wickets at hand might not be sufficient then.
 
Irrespective of his annoying fans got to say Amla is an amazing test bat, even if he ends up with below 50 avg ,he is an ATG for me in tests.

He is definitely in the second tier alongside players such as Sangakkara and Dravid. He and Kohli looked head and shoulders above most other batsmen in this test. Can't quite shake off the feeling that he threw away the match with a soft dismissal.
 
I hear people were comparing Kok with Gilli .....

Shukar hai, mu nahin khola taab ...
 
I don't think wicket is that easy to be honest - Amla & Elgar must have played well. Also, I am sure Kohli and his bowler suffered from "Typical Indian Test wicket syndrome", which is on under prepared wickets, after day 3, you just need to keep it tight on one spot, wicket will do rest against batsmen not skilled enough to counter vicious turning ball. It'll never happen in J'burg - you have to bend back and you have to keep batsman surprising and you'll have to make them ply with new ball. J'burg is one place where, one can leave lot on length.

Regarding the wicket, I think they kept excessive grass than normal. Usual J'burg track is hard, with lots of clay (89%! some times), BUT not much grass. That makes the hard and fast, but not much lateral movement. Normally, Day 1 is a bit slower, day 2 the fastest, 3 in best for batting (if you can play on back foot), Day 4 as well, but it starts to crack. Day 5 can go either way, but normally hit the deck type pacers find some cracks on business areas.

Here, I think for too much grass, it moved too much in early innings, but bounce saved batsmen (otherwise, you could have seen 3rd innings starting by lunch on Day 2). 2nd day wicket got harder and that grass made it uneven - but it can be awkward for bowlers as well, because they can't focus on a target (unless batsmen are chickened out).

By Day 3 & 4 I think grass has dried a bit, moisture of top surface has evaporated and that heavy roller some what bonded the top surface. It'll explode later, but by that time match should be finished either way. Had the target been 300+, I can bet SAF won't have used the heavy roller - that would have brought the 2nd ball with 50+ needed and cracks opening with grass; 7/8 wickets at hand might not be sufficient then.

So no conspiracy theories I guess.
That's boring :ajmal
 
South Africa should definitely play a proper all-rounder like Morris or Parnell against Australia. Philander and said all-rounder will score enough runs between them but will also ensure that the bowling is not weakened. Morris would have played in this match had it not been for him being on paternity leave.

Well they should go with a specialist batsmen because their batting has weakened. No smith or kallis and AB and amla are too unpredictable. they need a proper batsmen . phelkluwo was underbowled and could have easily been replaced by a specialist batsmen.
 
So no conspiracy theories I guess.
That's boring :ajmal

On Day 1, I was probably the only one to say that batting first was correct call. If they can't bat, that's different, but against SAF quartet, batting 4th on this track ......

Only change I would have made is, since they already had decided to bat first at team meeting prior to toss (SAF would have bowled first for sure - they didn't expect IND to post 120+ in 1st innings), IND should have taken Ashwin, probably for Shami - green, bouncy wicket isn't his type.
 
India needs to send back philander ASAP. He has been the best batter for saffers in this series.
 
I just hope indian fans show grace in defeat or victory. Nothing heroic in winning a meaningless dead rubber, and will not do anything to their reputation of being poor travellers. A loss is what they deserve. Although there are signs of improvement, and they didn't lose any match by innings.
 
Well ahead now man, always was, once they put 187 on Day 1. But yes, Elgar is set there and the tail is not the worst....

Tongue in cheek comment. That's why quoted the word.
 
1 more wicket now might set panic mode on for any chasing side. Elgar has anchored one end, can he n Philiander take SA to a win? Let's see!!
 
Philander is a pretty good batsman. He and Elgar can win this. Even if one of them falls, Rabada can also be decently.

Overall it is still 60-40 in favor of SA.
 
I just hope indian fans show grace in defeat or victory. Nothing heroic in winning a meaningless dead rubber, and will not do anything to their reputation of being poor travellers. A loss is what they deserve. Although there are signs of improvement, and they didn't lose any match by innings.
Sometimes u overdo it.
 
I won't have picked Pandya and played Ashwin instead. Shami's innings in the second innings can prove decisive here btw.

Pandeya deserved a spot after 1st Test, bowling well also. With Ashwin keeping one end tight, 3 pacers would have been much fresher and he could have batted we also.

I actually don't follow traditional English philosophy - even if there is 2 inch grass, I'll take one genuine spinner, be is for only one innings and spectator for other 3. If 3.5 pacers can't do, 4.5 won't either.
 
Oops Philander gone to Mohammed Shami. Rabada needs to repeat his 1st innings heroics to support Elgar here....

How does Phelukwayo bat? Is he also an all rounder ?
 
I do not get it. India has lost the series 2-1. However, I do not think going forward SouthAfrica can play with 6 batsmen. DeKock is a flat track bully who cant play swing,seam or turn. Once again, lets put this thought to rest that Virat is a more gun player than AB. Not only this test but overall and in ICC tournaments as well

Lol. AB outplayed Kohli in the world cup. AB also did well in the first two tests of this series, leading to SA winning the series.

AB>Kohli
 
I thought (day before yesterday), that IND somehow needs to swing around for a target of 170+.... Amla & Elgar got me nervous, but I guess, not far away ....
 
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