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India [269/2] beat England [268] by eight wickets in the first ODI to take 1-0 series lead

Kohli should bring in Kuldeep and go for Buttler's wicket, England's best batsman now.
 
England is the only team that has the potential to beat this Indian team, but they are yet to decode Yadav. Should be a fascinating contest if England manage to overcome their spinners.
 
Mamoon said:
England is the only team that has the potential to beat this Indian team, but they are yet to decode Yadav. Should be a fascinating contest if England manage to overcome their spinners.
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Would have been fun to see if there were 5 or 6 odi matches or maybe loi's after test matches.
 
BlackShadow said:
Chahal isn't an upgrade over Ashwin or Jadeja.
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Chahal has a tendency to be very expensive once every 3 matches. Agreed that he is not an upgrade over Ashwin or Jaddu when it comes to bowling.

Also Ashwin/Jaddu can bat a bit. Chahal cannot. Jaddu is a super fielder and Chahal is barely average.
 
BlackShadow said:
Chahal isn't an upgrade over Ashwin or Jadeja.
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He ran through Aussies and SA batsmen. And is bowling well now.Buttler is a top class batsman.Cant fault him conceding runs against him.His fielding is crap but then so was Ashwin in outfield.
 
If batsman attack chahal he just bowls wide. Any good batsman can smack chahal. Kuldeep is very hard to bat against compared to chahal. I would replace him with someone like shami as we need 3 pure pacers + all rounder.
 
troodon said:
Chahal has a tendency to be very expensive once every 3 matches. Agreed that he is not an upgrade over Ashwin or Jaddu when it comes to bowling.

Also Ashwin/Jaddu can bat a bit. Chahal cannot. Jaddu is a super fielder and Chahal is barely average.
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He went for runs in SA when the ball got wet and he was unable to control it.Otherwise he bowled very well.His main USP is that he can get turn anywhere unlike Jaddu and Ashwin and not afraid to toss it up to batsmen inviting them to attack.
 
Sam99 said:
If batsman attack chahal he just bowls wide. Any good batsman can smack chahal. Kuldeep is very hard to bat against compared to chahal. I would replace him with someone like shami as we need 3 pure pacers + all rounder.
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You do not need 3 pacers in England. Pacers will get tonked on these super flatties.

2 pacers + 2 spinners + Pandya are good enough.
 
Mamoon said:
India continues to prove why they are the best ODI team in the world by some distance. They have all the basis covered and will win a series against any team in any conditions.

It was laughable to see some of our Indo-phobic friends dismiss India's chances in this series because of England's powerful batting lineup.
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Without Bumrah, Shami and Bhuvi the Indian team bowling attack is not at its best but even with this second string attack it should still be good contest .
 
Looking at the English bowling attack and the pitch, anything below 350 is an easy chase for India
 
This sidhart guy is such a garbage bowler.. He balls as straight as anyone.. No variation nothing.. Even Ishant Sharma is a better bowler than this guy
 
Need to get Buttler out soon, else Eng will be 325+.

Pace attack has been disappointing, even Umesh bowling under 140, when in LOIs he can easily go upto 147-148.
 
With the current heatwave being experienced in the UK, no surprise that the surface has become spin friendly....
 
England needed around 400 to challenge Ind batting on this ground.

Eng didn't learn their lesson, should have played both spinners safe and not to give wickets and that's what
they did gave 5 wickets to them. They should also play Root at #4 Morgan/Stokes at#3. If they don't make slight adjustments in playing both spinners it will be 3-0 to Ind Easily.
 
This looks like carbon copy of CT semi final vs Pak,,, These Poms aren't winning any trophy anytime soon,,
 
Adijazz1706 said:
What happened to Shami and Bhuvi?
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Bhuvi got injured during T20 series but should come back for test series, Shami has cleared the fitness tests and will come back for Test series, even Bumrah will be back by second test match, so the problem is only for Limited over series.
 
Mamoon said:
India continues to prove why they are the best ODI team in the world by some distance. They have all the basis covered and will win a series against any team in any conditions.

It was laughable to see some of our Indo-phobic friends dismiss India's chances in this series because of England's powerful batting lineup.
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Funny, the slow pitch excuse does not come from you when India plays.
 
England, Australia, South Africa always have trouble against spinners.

280 and there is a still a game on.
 
Rahul1 said:
Shami's personal life is a complete mess right now. I don't think he will be the same bowler ever again.
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Shami's personal life is back on track, his wife has started modelling again and says she is a Independent woman now, divorce can be handled by his legal team, even BCCI has given him clean chit and reinstated his contract. Shami had checked out of that relationship three years ago, so no heartbreak here.
 
Goes to show how England over rely on flat pancakes. They get a slow pitch and fold away. One dimensional team. You won't be winning any major trophies being one dimensional.
 
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Best batting lineup in ODI history. Better than Australia of 2000s. [MENTION=142823]Joseph Gomes[/MENTION]
 
This is where Indian batting is miles ahead of England. They can match England in playing pace, and are way better against spin.
 
Pakistan beating England was no fluke. England will lose on slow pitches 8 out of 10 times.
 
Bubby said:
What the hell, are you serious.
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Yes I have seen all 6 wickets, poor batting against good balls but nothing special. Rashid Khan, Shadab Khan are better than this guy.
 
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Brilliant bowling by Kuldeep. Taking the wickets of Root, Roy, Barstow, Butler, Stokes, and Willey is no easy feat for any international bowler considering their sublime form. And he is done this 2nd time in just 1 week's time. All the excuses about pitch, summer, English can't play spin are from the haters who can't take the success of this young champion. Keep your hate flowing and he's only destined to reach remarkable heights in the near future. Kudos to champion Kuldeep.
 
Eng are exposed??:yk2 lol... making mockery of broken Australia made them look good?:yk
 
KingKhanWC said:
Yes I have seen all 6 wickets, poor batting against good balls but nothing special. Rashid Khan, Shadab Khan are better than this guy.

Two Pakistanis' out there to take it to the Indians. :)
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Remind me of what Shadab has done against England? Oh, I remember, they smoked you guys for 450 runs in an ODI. Or should I mention his legendary 40+ average? :))
 
Indian weak bowling :facepalm: taking on England batting on same ground where they scored 400+ twice
 
BlackShadow said:
Remind me of what Shadab has done against England? Oh, I remember, they smoked you guys for 450 runs in an ODI. :))
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Mabye if the English played retarted shots as they did today, he could have had 8.

Indians always over rate their players, too much Bollywood and star worship mentality. It;s ok, you always come back a few years later to pretend people like Binny never existed.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Mabye if the English played retarted shots as they did today, he could have had 8.

Indians always over rate their players, too much Bollywood and star worship mentality. It;s ok, you always come back a few years later to pretend people like Binny never existed.
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And I thought being ranked alongside minnows for 2 years would have taught Pakistani fans some humility. Shadab isn't fit to tie Kuldeep's shoelace, and numbers speak for themselves. There's a reason why he averages 40+ even against non-Asian sides.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Mabye if the English played retarted shots as they did today, he could have had 8.

Indians always over rate their players, too much Bollywood and star worship mentality. It;s ok, you always come back a few years later to pretend people like Binny never existed.
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Arey you talking about n.o 1 test side and n.o1 odi side ,consistently for over the years and their team bowlers ?
Thi is 2ndstring indian team. Bhuvi,shami ,bumrah are not even olaying. Forget ashwin and jadeja.
Indian under 19 team can handle all teams except top 3 ranked teams. We dnt even need to play our senior team. Offcourse some fluke may happen once in blue moon by other team against us
But overall we are far far ahead .
 
akki said:
Arey you talking about n.o 1 test side and n.o1 odi side ,consistently for over the years and their team bowlers ?
Thi is 2ndstring indian team. Bhuvi,shami ,bumrah are not even olaying. Forget ashwin and jadeja.
Indian under 19 team can handle all teams except top 3 ranked teams. We dnt even need to play our senior team. Offcourse some fluke may happen once in blue moon by other team against us
But overall we are far far ahead .
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He can't stand that a 3rd string Indian attack is demolishing the same England who whooped their phaaast ones for 450 runs in an ODI. :))
 
BlackShadow said:
Remind me of what Shadab has done against England? Oh, I remember, they smoked you guys for 450 runs in an ODI. Or should I mention his legendary 40+ average? :))
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Shadab didnt even debut at that time. You need to work on your facts :moyo
 
troodon said:
So age is the excuse here? Comeback when Shadab has a game like Kuldeep had today. Until then, Kuldeep is much better than Shadab as a bowler.

SHadab is a better fielder and batsman than Kuldeep. To me, Shadab is a batsman who can bowl legspin.
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Kuldeep at the moment has performed better than Shadab in ODIs and there is no denying that.

But you cant argue with Shadab's impressive stats at this young age:
17 matches 24 wickets Bowl avg 28 economy of 4.92
Bat avg: 51.50 with 3 50s
 
Should be easy win for India.

England needs 2 or 3 quick wickets in the first 8 overs to have a chance.
 
England against Pakistan and India on the same ground -

444-3

268 all out.
 
Titan24 said:
Kuldeep at the moment has performed better than Shadab in ODIs and there is no denying that.

But you cant argue with Shadab's impressive stats at this young age:
17 matches 24 wickets Bowl avg 28 economy of 4.92
Bat avg: 51.50 with 3 50s
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Shadab has a lot of upside and can become one of the top all rounders. But at the moment, he is still a work under progress. he can get better with more experience.
 
BlackShadow said:
Here is everything Shadab. I rest my case. :misbah4

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/922943.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling
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Bro if this is a joke, I am sorry I dont get it. You mentioned that Pak went for 450 runs while you were talking about Shadab, I said he didnt even debut at that time.

Now you are showing avg of 40, lol! he has played one match against Eng and that was in CT 17 and he took wicket of Joe root.

Now seriously guys are we gonna argue about players after they have played one match against a side. :yk
 
troodon said:
Shadab has a lot of upside and can become one of the top all rounders. But at the moment, he is still a work under progress. he can get better with more experience.
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Agreed.
 
Titan24 said:
Kuldeep at the moment has performed better than Shadab in ODIs and there is no denying that.

But you cant argue with Shadab's impressive stats at this young age:
17 matches 24 wickets Bowl avg 28 economy of 4.92
Bat avg: 51.50 with 3 50s
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Actually you can, and you can do that quite easily.

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All Shadab has done is bash Sri Lanka in UAE. Zilch outside UAE. I hope this ends the silly offtopic Shadab debate. :)
 
Titan24 said:
Kuldeep at the moment has performed better than Shadab in ODIs and there is no denying that.

But you cant argue with Shadab's impressive stats at this young age:
17 matches 24 wickets Bowl avg 28 economy of 4.92
Bat avg: 51.50 with 3 50s
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Shadab is special.
But i think he has more potential as a batsman.
 
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