England had India on wrack twice in both inns.
David has turned out to be such a disappointment as a coach. He backs honest triers who are ultimately losers.
Do we need 3 spinners in Dharmashala?
So Kuldeep stays out?
In John Wright's book about his Indian stint,he said he always gives all the honest triers a chance to succeed.he may be right when there are not much players to try out in 2000's but dravid seems to have the same mindset .He won't go for the kill to try new talent and discard obvious dead weights .
Which spinner to drop. I would say Jaddu but he really is a top 6 test batters in India.
I never said England will win the game if they win the toss. Throughout the series I always maintained England can win only if they win the toss whereas India can win whether they bat first or second.
Kuldeep might, unfortunately
where did you catch it? sounds wondeful.
That is a pleasant surprise
I think because England have had their way in every other test series, they just got carried away here, at times bazball was fine, but at times you need to play proper test cricket. The lack of a middle ground cost them here.
no KL for few tests
They could also go for Washi Sundar for Patidar, he gives a bowling option and also LH batsman.
I agree. Just because its really cold at Dharamshala doesn't mean, play 3 pacers especially for a team like us who have 3 champion spinners in our ranks.
I apologise. I didn't look closely enough and thought he had a 50+ average. Yes he's a weird pick. 30 year old, under 45 average. I went and did a bit more digging after my goof up and looked to see if he'd had a recent purple patch but no. 2022-23 Ranji season was a typical decent season for him.
No way will we further weaken our batting after they've barely managed this match. Sundar doesn't deserve a place purely on his batting and the bowling has plenty of options with probably 3 of the 5 best test spinners in the world today playing.
Stokes last comment makes no sense.
Wow.Dravid can copy paste Ur post as his accomplishment about this tour.But I think lot of Indians are asking for his removal especially for picking iyer,mukesh,bharath and other goof ups.
No series is ever going to be one where ever selection is a success. Every Indian fringe player or fairly new comer got ample time to do well or show they aren't good enough. That's what you need as a test side. No point every player looking a million dollar player then looking awful later on. Its called test cricket for a reason, to "test" players abilities
Goof ups are when selected players who after being tested and fail, are then persisted with still.
Amjad bhai, selecting Bharat was like Arteta continously selecting Zinchenko even after having brainfades every time. And Mukesh and Patidar would be the Denis Suarez equivalent with only diff being Suarez did not actually play that much. The point is these are not selections based on merit. You have a point if it was on merit.
Then they're pretty kneejerk. Yes the management has failures in trying some players and successes in some others but that's the nature of leadership.
My issue is persisting with players like bharath,iyer etc when they are clear better alternatives in front of you.dravid follows a queue system which is absolutely unnecessary. Everyone know bharath can't bat and he is a glorified tailender.Iyer short ball problems are well-known and even then there is no backup .Bishnoi was ignored in t20s and he was the deal. Dravid lost ability to understand the talent and can't get out of his bangalore quota
So Bharat played vs Australia and wasn't great, yes he could have possibly been dropped. He was then given 2 more tests to prove himself, essentially 7 tests to show he was good enough or not, he's proven not good enough and was rightly dropped. At the same time Juvel was playing in A side, did well and earned a call up. So India made the change at the right time.
Both players were given 7 tests and dropped, that's enough time to make decision on players. Persisting with them would have been playing them for rest of this England series. Which neither has done.
Bharat played the home series v Aus, failed spectacularly. Played again in WTC final, again failed. That is 5 tests to gauge someone and he dint even go past 40 and had dropped catches and missed stumpings. He was dropped for SA series and for reasons unknown came back to the side against Eng.
Are 7 matches of torture not enough
.Unless there is extra ordinary talent with no results,any player should not have more than 3 matches especially in tests to prove himself.
3 tests is not enough to gauge if a player is good enough. In terms of giving players enough of a run In Indian side I see no issue.Are 7 matches of torture not enough
Clearly patidar and unadkat are on recommendation quota.otherwise unadkat can't replace kuldeep on a rank turner.as per stats, patidar rotated strike for 3 times in his 11 overs of overall stay at the crease.it shows he is not at all a test match material. On top of it he got support from batting coach.
I'm strongly against resting Bumrah again in Dharamsala. He's had plenty of it and if he needs more, let him skip the first few games of the IPL.
Selection of Patidar has to rank among the worst selection calls. It was evident from the debut innings that he is just not comfortable at the crease with all the pressure around him. Rahul Dravid and batting coach instead decided to double down on him by selecting again and again.
The next big test is next year - 5 tests in England. Hope few of these youngsters lock down their place in the side by then
We'll be playing Australia in Australia later this year.
Can’t wait for the Australia series. Should be blockbuster of series.
Put Siraj in above average performer. The pitches are not for his type of bowling, but he won the 3rd Test for India.
Youngsters always play well in home series, but the real test will be SENA tours. I have doubts about Sarfraz's technique in away tours. Gill and Jaiswal disappointed in the last SA tour; I hope they will perform better next time. Jurell really impressed me with his technique and temperament. I think it's the end for Iyer, Bharat, and Patidar.
Indias fringe players in this series will have learnt more about how hard test cricket is compared to if they were picked to play a Bangladesh or west indies for example. Also plenty of Indian seniors have struggle in SA, judging young players perform in SA is probably not the sole yardstick to judge on. India will play tours in Eng and Aus and those will be good conditions to see if they can sink or swim.
