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India (317/5) beat England (251) by 66 runs to win first ODI at Pune

People commenting on England template it will not work for every team, If kohli or Rohit start to go from word go they will fail more time than they currently do same goes for other teams.
 
The problem is with the top 3. Rohit, Kohli and Dhawan all start off slowly which means we are 150 at around 30 overs. even if Rohit tees off from there we will only reach 325 or 330. We need an explosive batsman in the top 3 who can start striking within the 1st powerplay.
 
India have only scored 39/0 in the powerplay and 40/3 between overs 30-40. Should have scored 80 more runs from those overs and given a target of 400 it's the only way to beat them in ODIs play like T20 from ball 1.
 
We made changes in test format and T20 format.
Similar way we need to make changes in ODI format.
 
King_Kohli said:
This is true.
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And you know what? We're playing the same top-3 for 8 years now! Can you believe it? Anything gets stale after a point and our top-3 which used to be our strength are our biggest weakness now.
 
King_Kohli said:
We made changes in test format and T20 format.
Similar way we need to make changes in ODI format.
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As per Kohli's pearls of wisdom, we need not take ODIs seriously as yet since this is a T20 WC year!
 
England should now look to accelerate from here onwards lol.
 
We can hope to pull things back a little, however Stokes, Morgan & Butler are so explosive themselves, plus Bairstow is still there.
 
England’s template can only be followed by teams who have the same and talent and skill level. The way Roy and Bairstow take chances, it is incredible how they manage to get scores consistently.

If they bat selfishly both will rack up countless hundreds, but they don’t chase milestones at all.

Roy didn’t care about his half-century and went for another boundary after getting one on the previous ball, but this is the mindset of this team.

It also helped them win the World Cup final indirectly because they scored more boundaries than New Zealand in spite of losing wickets regularly.

It is a great template to follow but only when you have the capability. Most teams, including Pakistan, will be 20/3 day in, day out.

Only India and Australia have the capacity to follow this template.
 
Bilal7 said:
Seeing how Rashid and Ali fared on this pitch, I doubt he'll decide this match.
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Couldnt watch the first innings but, yes not much spin on offer. Still I believe unless something extreme happens, unorthodox nature (Which teams are well prepared for now) of Kuldeep can be only thing to change the game from here as Eng did extremely well in PP and are looking very comfortable against everything else.
 
Mamoon said:
England’s template can only be followed by teams who have the same and talent and skill level. The way Roy and Bairstow take chances, it is incredible how they manage to get scores consistently.

If they bat selfishly both will rack up countless hundreds, but they don’t chase milestones at all.

Roy didn’t care about his half-century and went for another boundary after getting one on the previous ball, but this is the mindset of this team.

It also helped them win the World Cup final indirectly because they scored more boundaries than New Zealand in spite of losing wickets regularly.

It is a great template to follow but only when you have the capability. Most teams, including Pakistan, will be 20/3 day in, day out.

Only India and Australia have the capacity to follow this template.
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Do you think England template (playing aggressive) will workout always?
 
King_Kohli said:
Do you think England template (playing aggressive) will workout always?
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Depends on how their next generation of batsmen fare. It will not be easy to replace Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Morgan, Stokes etc. The potential problem for England is they are all going to phase out more or less together, so they will need 4-5 young batsmen to step up.

The likes of Banton have a lot of promise to replicate this success but it remains to be seen if England produces other dynamic batsmen.
 
If Eng plays some more loose shots like Stokes did than India has decent amount of runs remaining to get back in the game.
 
Kohli bags yet another spirit of cricket award by acknowledging the drop.
 
Poor from Kohli. Who does he consult before stationing himself at all important slip position?
 
As I mentioned in Prasidh's thread, he is the kind of bowler with his tall and lanky physique who can get bounce which adds variety to Indian bowling attack and to the bench as well.

If Tyagi who I believe is the best young pacer in India currently is developed well should be able to do a similar role and maybe even more with potentially higher ceiling in coming years.
 
1st ODI: India suffer injury scare as Shreyas Iyer walks off the field with left shoulder pain

India suffered a big blow on Tuesday as batsman Shreyas Iyer walked off the field after injuring his shoulder during England's run chase in the 1st ODI in Pune.

Shreyas dived to save a boundary in the 8th over bowled by Shardul Thakur and started writhing in pain immediately as he clutched his left shoulder. The Indian team physiotherapist came out to treat the 26-year-old before deciding to take him off the field.

Shubman Gill came on the field as a substitute fielder to replace Iyer, who scored just 6 runs in India's total.

Notably, India are already missing vice-captain Rohit Sharma on the field after he injured his right elbow while batting. Rohit carried on to bat after taking the blow in Mark Wood's over but the opener was dimissed for 28.

Earlier, India rode on brilliant knocks from Shikhar Dhawan, KL Rahul, Krunal Pandya and Virat Kohli to post a challenging 317 for 5 in 50 overs after being asked to bat first by England captain Eoin Morgan.

Dhawan top-scored with 98 while Rahul and Krunal both remained not out on 62 and 58 respectively. Kohli also contributed with 58 runs for his team.

Krunal brought up his fifty off just 26 balls to set a new record for the fastest half-century by a debutant in ODI cricket. Krunal is the 15th Indian to post a fifty-plus score on ODI debut.

Dhawan and Kohli added 105 runs for the second wicket before Rahul and Krunal teamed up to add another 112 for the sixth-wicket to help India post a challenging total.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/india-vs-england-1st-odi-shreyas-iyer-shoulder-injury-rohit-sharma-1782775-2021-03-23
 
MP2011 said:
Don't make me laugh.
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They can both easily average 40+ at a SR of 105-110.

It is about India changing its approach and batting formation. However, Kohli seems convinced that their current tactic is the right way forward for his team.

Can’t blame him though, India is an incredible ODI side but it is hard to stop England when they are on song.
 
Shows that Root is so important to this England team, Stokes at 3 is too high.
 
What's happening? Eng can barely lay bat on ball now.
 
Consistently bowling 140 kph+ and making Bairstow look clueless..
 
Such contrasting ways of playing an ODI inning. :))

This is why we have to try atleast two of SKY, Kishan, Pant, Gill etc in the top 3 with Kohli dropping to no.4.
 
Kroll said:
Shows that Root is so important to this England team, Stokes at 3 is too high.
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Agreed. Stokes is considered to be technically one of the best bat in Eng so with the absence of Root, management thought to promote him at no 3.
 
Mesozoic said:
Such contrasting ways of playing an ODI inning. :))

This is why we have to try atleast two of SKY, Kishan, Pant, Gill etc in the top 3 with Kohli dropping to no.4.
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I think Shaw and Pant can play similar roles for India. Gill is not as explosive
 
Mesozoic said:
Such contrasting ways of playing an ODI inning. :))

This is why we have to try atleast two of SKY, Kishan, Pant, Gill etc in the top 3 with Kohli dropping to no.4.
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Kohli's strike rate is not an issue. He rotates the strike well between 15-40 overs. We need Ishan or SKY to open with Rohit to provide the much needed impetus (SKY did well as an opener for MI a couple of seasons ago. If Kohli drops to 4 he will be batting after 25 overs more often than not which is not suitable for him.
 
ex-q-zit said:
Kohli's strike rate is not an issue. He rotates the strike well between 15-40 overs. We need Ishan or SKY to open with Rohit to provide the much needed impetus (SKY did well as an opener for MI a couple of seasons ago. If Kohli drops to 4 he will be batting after 25 overs more often than not which is not suitable for him.
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Rotating the strike well alone will not suffice.

To beat teams like England or Australia on flat beds, you need to hit a boundary almost every over.
 
Prithvi Shaw strikes at 122 as an opener in list A cricket. Not sure why he is not given more chances in ODIs.
 
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Mesozoic said:
Rotating the strike well alone will not suffice.

To beat teams like England or Australia on flat beds, you need to hit a boundary almost every over.
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Its all about momentum. If we are off to a flying start then the batsmen to follow will continue with it. Kohli scores at almost run a ball.Even in todays innings he was scoring boundaries consistently along with singles. But if he drops to 4 it wouldn't suit his batting style.
 
Bairstow should open in T20s also. He doesn't have finishing skills so is a waste at no.4.
 
I think instead of copying England's approach of batting (and asking your batsmen to replicate the same), it is much better if your bowlers tackle the English Batting itself and devise a plan to stop them from doing it! The way English batsmen bat its high risk in there, so bowlers should aim to pick wickets (that's what happened even in last T20 series as well).

Of course this English team will fall flat if the balance towards ball is restored (pitch, ball, rules, etc). Then skillful batsmen (like Indian Top Order) will be more successful than mere power-hitters!
 
This is how you bat in odis!!

This English side will be remembered as one of the greatest limited overs team, truly revolutionary.
They are telling the world what your approach should be in odis. :aag
 
Eoin Morgan OUT.

Now, I hope Buttler produces a masterclass and England also win today.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
This is how you bat in odis!!

This English side will be remembered as one of the greatest limited overs team, truly revolutionary.
They are telling the world what your approach should be in odis. :aag
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Nice bit of jinxing..
 
Thakur while not looking much threatening keeps on taking wickets more often than not.
 
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jeeteshssaxena said:
This is how you bat in odis!!

This English side will be remembered as one of the greatest limited overs team, truly revolutionary.
They are telling the world what your approach should be in odis. :aag
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If jinxing was an art then you are picasso.
 
Match beginning to turn. RRR is in control but 140 odd runs is quite far off still
 
So much for English Power-Hitting! If you plan it out, there is a way to tackle it! It doesn't mean that you too should copy them!
 
Might end up relying on Moeen the Destroyer to bring it home.
 
England steadily messing up another run chase. They have become much too reliant on Roy and Bairstow in both ODIs and T20s. The rest of the batting isn’t offering much.
 
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