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India (381/6) defeat England (366/8) by 15 runs in the 2nd ODI

sensible-indian-fan said:
Excellent show by Yuvi today.

Yuvi looks great but have to see whether he can maintain it against better pacers or spinners when they get turn. I have seen similar trends from him in Ipl recently.

Last game, he showed sparks of old self but wont jump to any conclusions.

Dhoni has to go though.
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I remember you talking about retaining the average keeper (and poor batsman) like Saha in the Indian Test Team just because he is the better keeper available! Then how can you call for Dhoni's exit in LOIs because he is a far superior wicket-keeper and still a decent bat? Keeping is important in LOIs too (as we saw in Dravid's stint how costly it is!) And don't we need at least 1 experienced guy in the team around? (Team packed with full of angry young bloods? See how angry young blood with over-enthusiasm is killing a talented guy like Rahul!)
 
Yuvi can destroy spinners even now on flatties but if it turns, i doubt he could last long.

Current yuvi is still india's best power hitter but only can work against average or bad bowling.

Against good bowling, it remains to be seen whether he can be the old yuvi.

It would be amazing to have old yuvi back though but not sure whether he is back.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes. Because they are not over the hill.

Rahul though has to get out of the feast or famine situation or will be dropped.
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so just because Rohit is few years younger standard of being good against Better pacers and Spinners when 'it turns' is lowered even though he is barely as fit as yuvi if not less.
 
RamLakhan said:
I remember you talking about retaining the average keeper (and poor batsman) like Saha in the Indian Test Team just because he is the better keeper available! Then how can you call for Dhoni's exit in LOIs because he is a far superior wicket-keeper and still a decent bat? Keeping is important in LOIs too (as we saw in Dravid's stint how costly it is!) And don't we need at least 1 experienced guy in the team around? (Team packed with full of angry young bloods? See how angry young blood with over-enthusiasm is killing a talented guy like Rahul!)
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Apples and oranges bro.

Its not like we cant test any other keeper. Plus keeping is so important in tests that we tolerate saha's batting. In odis its important too but not as much in tests and no one is asking for a batsman to don keeping gloves anyway. We need a more solid batting lineup. So new keeper bat must be tested.

Dhonis keeping is good but batting not so much. He is a clear liability. Even in this innings he showed that if you look what happened before.
 
Again England take wickets at the top of the innings but have nobody who can maintain control and pressure during middle overs.
 
Spidy201 said:
so just because Rohit is few years younger standard of being good against Better pacers and Spinners when 'it turns' is lowered even though he is barely as fit as yuvi if not less.
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Standard is not lowered.

No one has problems with 36 year old if they are good. Its about batting quality.

Dhoni is over the hill.

Yuvi has a chance to be back but past trends show that he may succumb against better bowling. But he could have improved too. He was woeful a year or so back.
 
Dhoni is scratchy as hell in this innings. On the other hand, Yuvi is as fluent as they come. Two contrasting innings though both scored centuries.
 
English odi bowling is so bad that we dont know whats what. No disrespect meant to yuvi and dhoni.

They let freaking Rahane get to almost 100 in 100 sr in one of the practice games.
 
Over the hill or not India don't have a replacement for Dhoni atm. he's still the best keeper in the world. I always pick a very good keeper+ average batsman over a very good batsman + bad keeper. first groom a keeper then thinking of replacing Dhoni!
 
Jadhav played a good cameo 22 off 10 ball before departing.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Apples and oranges bro.

Its not like we cant test any other keeper. Plus keeping is so important in tests that we tolerate saha's batting. In odis its important too but not as much in tests and no one is asking for a batsman to don keeping gloves anyway. We need a more solid batting lineup. So new keeper bat must be tested.

Dhonis keeping is good but batting not so much. He is a clear liability. Even in this innings he showed that if you look what happened before.
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But calling for Dhoni's immediate exit is not correct. Sure you can give chance to others and try (In A teams, Lesser ODIs like against Ban,Zim, etc) but not straight away in senior against in big matches. We have tried others very much before (when we felt slight decline in Dhoni's batting... People like Parthiv, Dinesh Karthik, Naman Oja, etc, but we saw them failing and that gap between all them & Dhoni is so big! The new guys are yet to get those chances to play in the low profile matches, lets see!
 
Man, India needs to stop with the invites of these Western teams. India should play Pakistan/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh only in India. Hopeless. :misbah3
 
Indian team is truly playing a unique brand of cricket. How many teams can score 370 after being 45 for 3 losing their best player.
 
Bowling too much half volleys and low full toss.....this is mediocre death bowling from england

Back then they have a hady death bowler in jordan now they are clueless
 
arehaan said:
Indian team is truly playing a unique brand of cricket. How many teams can score 370 after being 45 for 3 losing their best player.
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If only this can be reflected overseas also (especially against Australia in Australia!) But yes the current Indian Team is very very special and the most professional and fit outfit in its history!
 
RamLakhan said:
I remember you talking about retaining the average keeper (and poor batsman) like Saha in the Indian Test Team just because he is the better keeper available!
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What's all this talk about Saha being a poor batsman? He had an average of 112 in the NZ series and is the first player to score a century in an IPL final.
 
RamLakhan said:
I remember you talking about retaining the average keeper (and poor batsman) like Saha in the Indian Test Team just because he is the better keeper available! Then how can you call for Dhoni's exit in LOIs because he is a far superior wicket-keeper and still a decent bat? Keeping is important in LOIs too (as we saw in Dravid's stint how costly it is!) And don't we need at least 1 experienced guy in the team around? (Team packed with full of angry young bloods? See how angry young blood with over-enthusiasm is killing a talented guy like Rahul!)
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Saha is light years ahead of any keeper for tests, is a solid bat and the best keeper in India may be in 20-25 years in terms of athletic abilities
 
was watch the match bit in hotstar. isn't there a rule all power play must take before 40 overs? who the idiot revise the rule?
 
Indian bowling generally defend well, should be a series win tonight itself, thoroughly professional by the boys
 
Spidy201 said:
if we go by that standard do you think Rohit or Kl Rahul deserve to be in team?
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Rahul should be chucked out ,Yuvi is not fit enough for consistent performances against top team,this team combination is being tried because the mission is ICC champ trophy either India can drop Yuvi and dhoni now or maybe do it a year later after string of flops.

Have followed Yuvi closely since school ,as a Punjabi I ve always had a bias towards him but he is the biggest underachieve imho of Indian cricket,yes he has made us win many INTL tournaments WCs esp but the talent he had with the bat he hasn't done justice to it,I can't even remember the amount of times the guy has made a "comback" in the Indian team.

Rahul deserves to be chucked out from the Indian LOI team he would crumble under pressure, as for Rohit for all my hatred the guy is still in top 10 ODI batsman for a reason because he has delivered often.
 
Good knocks from Yuvi and Dhoni today,should be an interesting match,lets see if Kohli presses the panic button today.
 
JaDed said:
Rahul should be chucked out ,Yuvi is not fit enough for consistent performances against top team,this team combination is being tried because the mission is ICC champ trophy either India can drop Yuvi and dhoni now or maybe do it a year later after string of flops.

Have followed Yuvi closely since school ,as a Punjabi I ve always had a bias towards him but he is the biggest underachieve imho of Indian cricket,yes he has made us win many INTL tournaments WCs esp but the talent he had with the bat he hasn't done justice to it,I can't even remember the amount of times the guy has made a "comback" in the Indian team.

Rahul deserves to be chucked out from the Indian LOI team he would crumble under pressure, as for Rohit for all my hatred the guy is still in top 10 ODI batsman for a reason because he has delivered often.
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Brother Rahul is the future. QUOTE me again in 2 years.
 
JaDed said:
Rahul should be chucked out ,Yuvi is not fit enough for consistent performances against top team,this team combination is being tried because the mission is ICC champ trophy either India can drop Yuvi and dhoni now or maybe do it a year later after string of flops.

Have followed Yuvi closely since school ,as a Punjabi I ve always had a bias towards him but he is the biggest underachieve imho of Indian cricket,yes he has made us win many INTL tournaments WCs esp but the talent he had with the bat he hasn't done justice to it,I can't even remember the amount of times the guy has made a "comback" in the Indian team.

Rahul deserves to be chucked out from the Indian LOI team he would crumble under pressure, as for Rohit for all my hatred the guy is still in top 10 ODI batsman for a reason because he has delivered often.
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I know Rohit is a good LOI Batsman, just not sure about his skills against Better pacers and good Spinners on turning pitches, I know pitches are flat these days, but if they are flat it's flat for yuvi and Dhoni aswell so they also (like Rohit) not need to prove themselves against Better bowler in good bowling conditions just because they are old. and believe me Dhoni is mile ahead of these chubby sacks who call themselves youngsters when it comes to fitness
 
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JaDed said:
Rahul should be chucked out ,Yuvi is not fit enough for consistent performances against top team,this team combination is being tried because the mission is ICC champ trophy either India can drop Yuvi and dhoni now or maybe do it a year later after string of flops.

Have followed Yuvi closely since school ,as a Punjabi I ve always had a bias towards him but he is the biggest underachieve imho of Indian cricket,yes he has made us win many INTL tournaments WCs esp but the talent he had with the bat he hasn't done justice to it,I can't even remember the amount of times the guy has made a "comback" in the Indian team.

Rahul deserves to be chucked out from the Indian LOI team he would crumble under pressure, as for Rohit for all my hatred the guy is still in top 10 ODI batsman for a reason because he has delivered often.
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That seems to be the case, I mentioned this back when Yuvraj's selection was announced. I have no problem with these two retaining their place for 2019 WC but they'll have to improve fitness, form & consistency for India to have a good chance at winning that trophy.
 
So much for the people questioning Dhoni and UVI. Class players.
 
Spidy201 said:
I know Rohit is a good LOI Batsman, just not sure about his skills against Better pacers and good Spinners on turning pitches, I know pitches are flat these days, but if they are flat it's flat for yuvi and Dhoni aswell so they also (like Rohit) not need to prove themselves against Better bowler in good bowling conditions just because they are old. and believe me Dhoni is mile ahead of these chubby sacks who call themselves youngsters
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Would be good for Indian team if you are right but Yuvi/Dhoni are no Hussey who could play that well in later ages,Yuvi still is able to strike the ball as he is a pure batsman don't think Dhoni would even be able to do that in Champ trophy.
 
R0H1T said:
That seems to be the case, I mentioned this back when Yuvraj's selection was announced. I have no problem with these two retaining their place for 2019 WC but they'll have to improve fitness, form & consistency for India to have a good chance at winning that trophy.
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We are not winning the trophy ,just hope we are competent if not it would probably be like Aane Do series and we would see a lot of big names getting dropped.
 
Was great to watch both Dhoni and Yuvi bat today... Hope they can continue this form for some more time.

Now, it's time for bowlers to defend this, I'm not 100% sure, if our bowlers can defend it ...
 
JaDed said:
We are not winning the trophy ,just hope we are competent if not it would probably be like Aane Do series and we would see a lot of big names getting dropped.
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You're talking about CT 2017 or 2019 WC? With the CT we have an even chance, the less number of matches generally means that we won't have to play our A game over a month or two, there are only a handful of teams who could sustain that level of performance over long periods of time. Namely Aus & WI, so atm we have a fair chance of winning the CT but need a bit of luck as well, the opening hack must go & pacers need to get back in form.
 
JaDed said:
Rahul should be chucked out ,Yuvi is not fit enough for consistent performances against top team,this team combination is being tried because the mission is ICC champ trophy either India can drop Yuvi and dhoni now or maybe do it a year later after string of flops.

Have followed Yuvi closely since school ,as a Punjabi I ve always had a bias towards him but he is the biggest underachieve imho of Indian cricket,yes he has made us win many INTL tournaments WCs esp but the talent he had with the bat he hasn't done justice to it,I can't even remember the amount of times the guy has made a "comback" in the Indian team.

Rahul deserves to be chucked out from the Indian LOI team he would crumble under pressure, as for Rohit for all my hatred the guy is still in top 10 ODI batsman for a reason because he has delivered often.
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Yes even I am worried about Rahul fading away like Robin Uttappa from the same state! Both possess immense talent but they are not up there in temperament levels! I don't think Rahul has any breathing space as well with so many good players chipping in and performing (He will not have place in that middle order. Once Rohit comes back and then even Rahane may find place as an opener in this power-packed middle order lineup and also old Horses Dhoni & Yuvi are occupying it)
 
Rahul has been dismissed by two good deliveries so far. Dhawan's dismissals have been very poor. Rahane will replace him next game most likely.
 
JaDed said:
Would be good for Indian team if you are right but Yuvi/Dhoni are no Hussey who could play that well in later ages,Yuvi still is able to strike the ball as he is a pure batsman don't think Dhoni would even be able to do that in Champ trophy.
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Having the captaincy pressure off him might help him play more freely as a batsman for a longer while
 
DId not expect this!! Famous Yuvraj/Dhoni partnership once again . Enjoyed the hitting. Is he back? Can he sustain? Can't help asking such questions. If RS comes back who is going out.
 
FlickedOffHips said:
Rahul has been dismissed by two good deliveries so far. Dhawan's dismissals have been very poor. Rahane will replace him next game most likely.
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As an opener one should be wary about good deliveries even in LOIs, you need to overcome those!
 
Oh boy, I just woke up and saw the scorecard. I wish I stayed up to watch this game now. Was the bowling bad or something? How did Singh manage this?
 
joly said:
Saha is light years ahead of any keeper for tests, is a solid bat and the best keeper in India may be in 20-25 years in terms of athletic abilities
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Napa said:
What's all this talk about Saha being a poor batsman? He had an average of 112 in the NZ series and is the first player to score a century in an IPL final.
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Dhoni has even bigger achievements than this (ATG achievements) at international level. How is it fair to call for his head now even when he (in LOIs) is doing a better job than Saha (in tests)? I was just speaking in that context. Anyhow I think Saha might face tough competition from Parthiv after his Ranji triumph!
 
RamLakhan said:
As an opener one should be wary about good deliveries even in LOIs, you need to overcome those!
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sure. I wouldn't defend KL too much, just pointing out he has an excuse. Dhawan doesn't.

Rahul will have to do well in the next game or T20s to get selected for CT. I think the selectors will still take Dhawan along because of experience. In any case, one of Rahul,Dhawan, Rohit and Rahane will get left out of the squad.
 
TestMatch said:
Oh boy, I just woke up and saw the scorecard. I wish I stayed up to watch this game now. Was the bowling bad or something? How did Singh manage this?
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'Stand and deliver' stuff from Punjab da Sher. Catch the highlights if you can. well worth it.
 
R0H1T said:
You're talking about CT 2017 or 2019 WC? With the CT we have an even chance, the less number of matches generally means that we won't have to play our A game over a month or two, there are only a handful of teams who could sustain that level of performance over long periods of time. Namely Aus & WI, so atm we have a fair chance of winning the CT but need a bit of luck as well, the opening hack must go & pacers need to get back in form.
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Talking about CT 2017 and WI did perform well in the last T20 but don't think they will be able to do the same this time around.

WC 2019 don't think Yuvi and Dhoni would last,WC is all about when the team comes to momentum unless one is AUS.
 
Bumrah looks so impressive every time. With some experience, he can be a real good LOI bowler.
 
In 2 overs, Bumrah has bowled atleast 5 wicket taking deliveries. :amir

Gets him this time :out
 
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