India (587 & 427/6d) defeat England (407 & 271) by 336 runs in 2nd Test at Edgbaston

[Buffet]

It's clear that Indians don't want to score too many runs quickly and also want to allow Eng certain amount of overs to bat. That's the only explanation here.

 

[gazza619]

60% chance of showers tomorrow. What is holding back brave India from declaring?

 

[RamLakhan]

Jadeja is practicing batting for next test match probably (He will probably play as specialist batsman)

 

[MP2011]

Even Root is ripping it so big. Will Jadeja be able to do that?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

criminal to prepare pitches like these , day 4 & still a road !
482/4

How else can you brag about chasing any score unless you have pitches that specifically allow you to do so.

 

[gazza619]

It's clear that Indians don't want to score too many runs quickly and also want to allow Eng certain amount of overs to bat. That's the only explanation here.

Champion mentality

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Champion mentality

Next year, when PAK tours we will see real bravery and jazba

 

[gazza619]

but pitch is flat lol
so flat
placid track

and we have prasidh krishna
no bumrah
no shami
no rana
no arshdeep

nitish and jadeja are frauds in this sort of flat pitches.
and prasidh as you know is useless phattu

How much runs do you feel comfortable defending. 1000?

 

[gazza619]

Next year, when PAK tours we will see real bravery and jazba

We dont score big anyway. We naturally make every game interesting. Its in our genes

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Bazball has legit changed the psychology of sides setting targets in England.

Even still the Indians and many of the fans are uncertain if it's enough!

I think they have got more than enough personally.

 

[Devadwal]

60% chance of showers tomorrow. What is holding back brave India from declaring?

No chance of rain. Full play will happen.

 

[mominsaigol]

Next year, when PAK tours we will see real bravery and jazba

Only i can show bravery and jazba, without me their is chaos

 

[Justcrazy]

Bazball has legit changed the psychology of sides setting targets in England.

Even still the Indians and many of the fans are uncertain if it's enough!

I think they have got more than enough personally.

This is enough , If you hold on to catches. India has a big opportunity to win this and go 1 - 1 at Lords. Poms tail failed them in last innings , that will cost them the game , unless rain saves them

 

[Devadwal]

Bazball has legit changed the psychology of sides setting targets in England.

Even still the Indians and many of the fans are uncertain if it's enough!

I think they have got more than enough personally.

Runs are enough but india want to scare England by tiring them . Next game start Just after 3 day's of this test. This is mental battle , more india play ,more England players tried and this effect will seen on when they will comes to bat .

But yea india should have scored more runs at the same time instead tuktuk

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Only i can show bravery and jazba, without me their is chaos

Only a team led by you and an attack of Abbas, Mir, Khurram and Jamal can defend anything less than 375 in flat English conditions .

Looking forward to such beautiful scenarios next year

 

[Champ_Pal]

Really poor batting by Jadeja. He should be striking at 100 on a his dead pitch. India should have sent in Nitish reddy to play a t20 innings.

 

[Justcrazy]

Gill is batting at another level since he has become captain.

 

[kron]

How much runs do you feel comfortable defending. 1000?

500 is good enough but again flat wicket

Could easily be a draw or he’ll Eng could even chase if gill doesn’t set the right fields

 

[RamLakhan]

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just a reminder

SA almost chased down 458 vs india in 2012 in SA

ultra flat pitch and india had lot of old farts and washed up has beens at the time

so yea dont think 460 plus is possible i guess

but bazzballers are goat on flatties.

Ouch I forgot about this match! It was probably a much potent bowling attack we had (on papers)... But this bowling unit (as per 1st innings) looks spirited, let's see... Hence 500 is a minimum...

SA approach was different, they batted in traditional way (3.3 RR), so they could preserve their wickets (I am sure the pitch was not totally flat, bazballing on that may lead to losing wickets). Indians probably poorly in that match...

 

[Justcrazy]

Only a team led by you and an attack of Abbas, Mir, Khurram and Jamal can defend anything less than 375 in flat English conditions .

Looking forward to such beautiful scenarios next year

England can be defeated , if you play proper cricket , there batting is fragile, and even this weakened Australian side will beat them in Ashes this year.

 

[jnaveen1980]

One of the most limited batsman played a bizzarre knock given the situation.

 

[kron]

Bazball has legit changed the psychology of sides setting targets in England.

Even still the Indians and many of the fans are uncertain if it's enough!

I think they have got more than enough personally.

It’s not that

Track is so docile lmao

So any Tom dick and Harry can score

And Eng being master at flatties there is always a risk.

Pitches in SA and Eng have gotten easier to bat on last days for the last few years on most grounds. Of course some deteriorate but generally speaking pitches keep getting better.

The balls used are crap too

 

[Vikram1989]

Bazball has legit changed the psychology of sides setting targets in England.

Even still the Indians and many of the fans are uncertain if it's enough!

I think they have got more than enough personally.

As Ian chappel said " u will get more frightened and make mistakes once u realize there is a good chance of winning".I don't think Indian management is confident and thinking clearly in tests especially.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

England can be defeated , if you play proper cricket , there batting is fragile, and even this weakened Australian side will beat them in Ashes this year.

If England take Wood and Archer to Oz they can win.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bazball has legit changed the psychology of sides setting targets in England.

Even still the Indians and many of the fans are uncertain if it's enough!

I think they have got more than enough personally.

It is not psychology.Only Jadeja was going at slower rate. Not others.

 

[Bhaijaan]

How many batters have ever scored 500 runs in just two tests?


What is Gill standing on right now? This is insane. He’s taken his test average from 35 to 42+ in two tests

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It is not psychology.Only Jadeja was going at slower rate. Not others.

Psychology of captain and coach to not declare though and stay out their tuk tuking.

 

[mominsaigol]

Only a team led by you and an attack of Abbas, Mir, Khurram and Jamal can defend anything less than 375 in flat English conditions .

Looking forward to such beautiful scenarios next year

I don't lead anyone, people follow me, Pakistan team is not worthy of me.

The day I lead is the day everyone dies

 

[mominsaigol]

Take a bow Shubhman Gill.

This is Greame Smith debut captaincy series vibes although against a much weaker bowling unit but still what an effort.

@Mamoon @mominsaigol @Markhor @Rajdeep @ElRaja

I called it at the start of the series but @Sachin fan called me a troll.

Gill > Jaiswal any day all day.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It will be an embarrassment if India comes to Birmingham of all places and goes out as victorious.

@KingKhanWC what is going on? Meat lovers not able to beat Salads?

The veggies have turnips for brains and lettuce for courage . 1-0 down , 500 lead but not declaring

 

[Bhaijaan]

Even Root is ripping it so big. Will Jadeja be able to do that?

Jadeja is useless outside India.

He ain’t no match winner

 

[Bhaijaan]

I called it at the start of the series but @Sachin fan called me a troll.

Gill > Jaiswal any day all day.

Gills batting temperament has shined in this series.

 

[Justcrazy]

35 overs remaining , India would bat around 15 more overs and have a go for 20 overs against England .

 

[Justcrazy]

Gills batting temperament has shined in this series.

Gill and Jaiswal are both different kind of players , and both play different roles. They are like Sharma and Kohli.

 

[mominsaigol]

Gills batting temperament has shined in this series.

Never question me, always bow. This goes for you @Nikhil_cric as well.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I wonder what the team talks are like in each dressing room:

Gambhir/Gill - we want to bat for x amount of overs and x amount of runs to be safe.

Stokes/baz - these Indians are scared of our batting. Let's go out and make history

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Never question me, always bow. This goes for you @Nikhil_cric as well.

Currently averaging more than Travis Head in Tests as well. Impressive.

 

[mominsaigol]

Currently averaging more than Travis Head in Tests as well. Impressive.

I asked you to bow, Not drive a stake through my heart

 

[gazza619]

500 is good enough but again flat wicket

Could easily be a draw or he’ll Eng could even chase if gill doesn’t set the right fields

Bro you got English all out of 400 in the first innings. Why such negativity?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol. Gill is playing video game cricket and how can you declare here so early ? Ridiculous pitches.

 

[Bhaijaan]

This is the first time ever a team with a 500+ lead is scared af it might still lose

 

[Champ_Pal]

India should declare in 5 overs from now.

India need a lot of time to get Wngland wickets.

 

[kron]

Bro you got English all out of 400 in the first innings. Why such negativity?

pitches have been curated to ensure surfaces remain the same though
it seems to get better for batting unfornutely.

thats why

hard for any bowler to get wickets unless batsmen make mistakes.

 

[Champ_Pal]

This is the first time ever a team with a 500+ lead is scared af it might still lose

Considering we have Prasidh in our arsenal, the fear is justified

 

[kron]

thats how you treat a trundler like woakes

need to tire them out

if pitches disintegrated then sure 350 is plenty
now no. need 500. so we have enough here.

 

[kron]

This is the first time ever a team with a 500+ lead is scared af it might still lose

prasidh nitish and sadeja all will contribute 0 in bowling

thats why

we need to drop all 3
we have better replacements. and also drop karen nair

 

[Bhaijaan]

Gill on 119* already

The ability of this man to play fast effortlessly is something

 

[Savak]

India's game to lose. England will collapse under pressure in the fourth innings. They cannot Bazball their way to scoring 500 runs on day 5

 

[Ab Fan]

I am disappointed with Jadeja and especially the team management. What was the idea behind sending Jadeja ahead of NKR? That was a tailor made situation for NKR who is aggressive batter in nature and they didn’t send him to bat.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Gill on 123*

392* this test match

How many players have ever scored 400* runs in a test match ?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

If they can really Bazball for the next 10 overs after this and get that target well above 550, then they can declare and give England maybe even 110 overs instead of 100

 

[kron]

if india wins this bumrah doesnt deserve automatic entry
he needs to be punished for skipping this test

 

[jnaveen1980]

Psychology of captain and coach to not declare though and stay out their tuk tuking.

Jadeja can't hit even if he wants to. That is Jadeja. Not the first time he is doing this.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I am disappointed with Jadeja and especially the team management. What was the idea behind sending Jadeja ahead of NKR? That was a tailor made situation for NKR who is aggressive batter in nature and they didn’t send him to bat.

Poor thinking. This has been the hallmark of Gambhir.

 

[kron]

If they can really Bazball for the next 10 overs after this and get that target well above 550, then they can declare and give England maybe even 110 overs instead of 100

100 is plenty.

its still docile as hell
placid track.

only putridevus the dolt's favourite kohli and rohit wont score on such pitches.

 

[kron]

hopefully bashir gets the 100
he deserves

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Gill on 123*

392* this test match

How many players have ever scored 400* runs in a test match ?

4 players

Gooch
Sanga
Taylor
Lara

 

[Vikram1989]

Poor thinking. This has been the hallmark of Gambhir.

Only in test matches especially sena.He has all the cluelessness of Dhoni and rohit captaincy in sena.

 

[RamLakhan]

Considering we have Prasidh in our arsenal, the fear is justified

Karun Nair & Prasidh Krishna's careers are over after this match! While Mumbai and Karnataka have produced many great cricketers for India, they have also churned out poor cricketers (after showing some promise) - Dodda Ganesh, Vijay Bharadwaj, Vinay Kumar, David Johnson... Prithvi Shaw, Amol Mazumdar, Salil Ankola, Praveen Amre, Vinod Kambli...

 

[mominsaigol]

The issue is stokes ego, he will not settle for a draw

 

[Bhaijaan]

Gill on 123*

392* this test match

How many players have ever scored 400* runs in a test match ?

Only 4

Gooch 456 vs India
Taylor 426 vs Pakistan
Sangakkara 424 vs Bangladesh
Lara 400 vs England
Gill 395* vs England


This is legitimately a historic effort from Gill

 

[Mockingbird]

Poor thinking. This has been the hallmark of Gambhir.

Agreed, for all his bravado in the press box he has been a very defensive coach so far. Haven’t liked his strategies at all so far.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Only 4

Gooch 456 vs India
Taylor 426 vs Pakistan
Sangakkara 424 vs Bangladesh
Lara 400 vs England
Gill 395* vs England


This is legitimately a historic effort from Gill

Gill on 396*

 

[MP2011]

Only in test matches especially sena.He has all the cluelessness of Dhoni and rohit captaincy in sena.

Even at home, we were whitewashed by Kiwis of all teams

 

[Bhaijaan]

What the hell is even Jadeja doing right now 39 from 83

 

[RamLakhan]

What is the clear verdict on weather tomorrow?

 

[MP2011]

Karun Nair & Prasidh Krishna's careers are over after this match! While Mumbai and Karnataka have produced many great cricketers for India, they have also churned out poor cricketers (after showing some promise) - Dodda Ganesh, Vijay Bharadwaj, Vinay Kumar, David Johnson... Prithvi Shaw, Amol Mazumdar, Salil Ankola, Praveen Amre, Vinod Kambli...

How can you call Amol Mazumdar a poor cricketer when he didn't even don India colors in any form of cricket?

 

[Justcrazy]

If Gill does not declare , he can get one more double hundred here , he is in another zone right now , this series he can get 900 runs , if he keeps himself foccussed.

 

[MP2011]

Root bowling negative line

 

[kron]

one of the worst pitches i have ever seen.

2000 era all over again

 

[Justcrazy]

How can you call Amol Mazumdar a poor cricketer when he didn't even don India colors in any form of cricket?

Yes , that is what i want to ask as well. Amol , priyank panschal , Jalaj saxena all have been very unlucky not to get a chance.

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadeja saving his average by trying his best to stay not out at the end of the innings.

 

[RamLakhan]

Even at home, we were whitewashed by Kiwis of all teams

That was the lowest low in entire history of Indian Cricket. A black mark in Indian Cricket...! But that was needed to boot out Rohit & Kohli from our test team...

 

[Bhaijaan]

Most runs ever scored in a test match by an individual :-

Gooch 456 vs India
Taylor 426 vs Pakistan
Sangakkara 424 vs Bangladesh
Lara 400 vs England
Gill 398* vs England

 

[Justcrazy]

500 was already enough for India , India overestimating Poms batting.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Indians are scared that they'll give England a sniff with anything under 550.

Had Pant carried on they would've had 600 and declared.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Lots of blame on Jadeja but his skipper is at the other end with the authority to declare too...

It seems like a deliberate plan

 

[Bhaijaan]

Play some freaking shots Jaddu

 

[Bhaijaan]

Most runs ever scored in a test match by an individual :-

Gooch 456 vs India
Taylor 426 vs Pakistan
Sangakkara 424 vs Bangladesh
Lara 400 vs England
Gill 399* vs England

 

[kron]

That was the lowest low in entire history of Indian Cricket. A black mark in Indian Cricket...! But that was needed to boot out Rohit & Kohli from our test team...

why does it always have to get to that>??
why doesnt bcci have the balls to drop old stalwarts if they are past it