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India defeat England by 3 wickets in the 1st ODI

Btw to everyone on here, I'm not taking anything away from this win. I just don't think this win really proves that we are a quality side. The NZ ODI side bowled much better when they came here.
 
Starc/Hazlewood/Pattinson played in the ODI series last time?

Starc is not that threatening always.Hazelwood may or may not do well. Faulkner would be fried by kohli, dhoni, dhawan and maybe even kedar.Pattinson is always expensive and on flat tracks he won't take many as well
 
Great win despite awful bowling. Hats off to Jadhav and Kohli.
 
Morgan hailing India's bowling performance as the main difference :P
 
Oh you woke up... Lol... Yes we won... Congrats buddy

I was watching the match on TV with my dad and brother in law.

Could we play Kuldeep and Ash in the same XI?

Or too much similarity - as in both bring the ball in to the right handers.

They both can be played imho.

As of now, not much chance cos Jaddu is more solid and it has to be either Ash or Kuldeep.

But in full flow, Ashwin will be a gun and I suppose Kuldeep too (if he is as good as his hype) so pressure will be on Jaddu.

In a way, Kuldeep's rise will create a healthy rivalry where all 3 spinners will get better.

Kinda like how Jayant's arrival made Jaddu get very very serious with the bat. There was a time when Ashwin was demoted behind Mishra and he immediately scored. Haha.
 
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Good win but all the known issues at play again.

What needs to happen before the CT is

Dhawan --> Rohit
Yuvraj --> Manish Pandey (even Raina)
Dhoni --> Rishabh
Umesh --> Shami

Maybe even Ashwin for Kuldeep?
 
Great, great chase. This guy Kedar is a freak - was hiding till in to his 30s, but he is a frightening prospect in Indian grounds.

More or less I am convinced that Azhar's Captaincy made England look like nextGen ODI team, but they are minnow basher - hammers weaker teams or when on top, but can't compete with big boys or when chips are down. We could have chased that target at Mirpur, but for a royal choke against among all Rashid & Ball :(

I'll wait to count how many they win in next Ashes - 5 Tests, 7 ODI & couple of T20 I guess. So, the bottom is 14-0 .......
 
Great, great chase. This guy Kedar is a freak - was hiding till in to his 30s, but he is a frightening prospect in Indian grounds.

More or less I am convinced that Azhar's Captaincy made England look like nextGen ODI team, but they are minnow basher - hammers weaker teams or when on top, but can't compete with big boys or when chips are down. We could have chased that target at Mirpur, but for a royal choke against among all Rashid & Ball :(

I'll wait to count how many they win in next Ashes - 5 Tests, 7 ODI & couple of T20 I guess. So, the bottom is 14-0 .......

They are a gun team. Atleast batting wise.

Only problem is their bowling is garbage which many people felt.

Once they sort their bowling, they will be a true force.
 
It is an absolute delight to see how the Indians love to chase .... no matter how tall a target !!!! Do any of you think we could have chased 350 ??? May be .... but most probably not. At 64 for 4 ( I think ), England thought they the match in the bag .... well,not quite. England did give away too many singles and their spinners were just providing batting practice. One of the big advantages of chasing is, you know the target and you know what the track is doing. May be that is why the Indians love to chase !!!
 
Lovely crowd surely,so many senior citizens in the stadium,remarkable. Pune is defn the best upcoming Indian city by a distance!
 
Kohli is one guy but when you let a random guy(Jadhav) cart you around merrily your bowling is pretty useless. Especially when you consider that England are considered to produce good bowlers.

He is no random guy. He is averaging over 50 with a strike rate of over 110. He is playing on his home ground. Even some ordinary players can become world beaters on their home ground. While he may not be extraordinary he can be a damaging player. You have to factor in ground, pitch, conditions. Under lights ball will come on nicely. They did dismiss Dhoni, Yuvraj, Dhawan, Rahul . May be some other team would have struggled to remove them. We cannot compare one to one. All teams get brutalized these days while defending totals at some point.
 
Wow...that guy is really clueless. Haha.

We bowled crap.

It was some incredible batting (along with English crap bowling) that won us this game.

Yeah he's talking about how they would've liked to score more if Buttler didn't get out when in reality it was some really mediocre bowling that cost them the match. No clue whatsoever. So much for the transformation in English ODI cricket :yk
 
Kedar has a list A average of 50 after 92 matches and a S/R of 106.

It is silly to call him a random guy. His spot in this Indian xi is very well earned.

Just because a player made his debut at a late age doesn't make him random.
 
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Lol Kedhar sounds so funny,lovely guy and he is admitting he has to improve his running! best of luck lad!!!
 
Kedar has a list A average of 50 after 92 matches and a S/R of 106.

It is silly to call him a random guy. His spot in this Indian xi is very well earned.

Just because a player mad his debut at a late age doesn't make him random.

Good post. Yes, he has earned his spot by consistently scoring at high average and SR in domestic cricket.
 
Kedar has a list A average of 50 after 92 matches and a S/R of 106.

It is silly to call him a random guy. His spot in this Indian xi is very well earned.

Just because a player mad his debut at a late age doesn't make him random.

Well 31 year old guys are setting up 350 run chases despite having played limited international cricket by toying with English bowlers! That's a pretty damning indictment of their bowling i think.
 
I think, you will see, pant, kishan,Sarfaraz, Hooda, suryakumar, nair,iyer, pretty soon in the ODI setup that will certainly improve our odi team,need to give chances to kuldeep and gopal too.

Well, I hope that works out but to be honest, KL Rahul, Dhawan, Manish, all these blokes showed a lot of promise early on and even in the IPL's but just seem to fade away after a little bit of time.
 
I stopped watching after yuvi got out .i glanced at the score after 1 and half hour thinking that the match is done but to my surprise kohli is on 117 and jadav was on 96. i stopping watching after that thinking that i may jinks them from winning.just opened cricinfo to find out what happened and pretty surprised that india won

Yeah we won
 
Well, I hope that works out but to be honest, KL Rahul, Dhawan, Manish, all these blokes showed a lot of promise early on and even in the IPL's but just seem to fade away after a little bit of time.

Rahul scored 199 in his last innings before today. In what world has he faded away? He was one of the few players who actually lost his wicket on a good ball today.

Manish had a disappointing series against NZ, sure.

And Dhawan is a hack and can't be compared to technically good players like the other two.
 
Rahul scored 199 in his last innings before today. In what world has he faded away? He was one of the few players who actually lost his wicket on a good ball today.

Manish had a disappointing series against NZ, sure.

And Dhawan is a hack and can't be compared to technically good players like the other two.

And Rahul's previous LOI innings before this was a 100 in a T20.

As for Mainsh, he failed in 1 series. But still deserves more chances.
 
Yeah he's talking about how they would've liked to score more if Buttler didn't get out when in reality it was some really mediocre bowling that cost them the match. No clue whatsoever. So much for the transformation in English ODI cricket :yk

Its a transformation.

Just not in bowling.
 
They are a gun team. Atleast batting wise.

Only problem is their bowling is garbage which many people felt.

Once they sort their bowling, they will be a true force.

They won't be able to sort that unless they pick 4 bowlers on bowling merit. Take out Moeen, Adil & Woakes - then their batting doesn't remain gun anymore; because their middle order is missing one KP.

May be, if they sack Morgan & bring Johny at 4, it'll improve, but that batting depth formula has to change.
 
Ashwin is a disaster in odi and t 20 recently.he is not flighting even one ball and commies are saying after he bowled 4 overs he hasnt bowled a single conventional offspinner upto that point.bowls negatively and too mamy garbage variationd
 
Well, I hope that works out but to be honest, KL Rahul, Dhawan, Manish, all these blokes showed a lot of promise early on and even in the IPL's but just seem to fade away after a little bit of time.

Manish Pandey? Dude he is sitting out because Kohli decided to play his favs ,he won us a chasing game in Aus.Also Dhawan won us a Champ Trophy in England and awesome performance in final of Asia cup,not sure that is fading out but yeah he is bad now.
 
Most 100s in successful ODI chases:
15 V Kohli (59 innings)
14 S Tendulkar (124 innings)
09 S Anwar (59 innings)/ S Jayasuriya (103 innings)/ T Dilshan (60 innings)

Sachin is still second on list. Not a match winner right?
 
Manish Pandey? Dude he is sitting out because Kohli decided to play his favs ,he won us a chasing game in Aus.Also Dhawan won us a Champ Trophy in England and awesome performance in final of Asia cup,not sure that is fading out but yeah he is bad now.
I think kohli want a big hitting batsman in middle order which pandey isn't. Pandey is in mould of kohli.
 
Well, I hope that works out but to be honest, KL Rahul, Dhawan, Manish, all these blokes showed a lot of promise early on and even in the IPL's but just seem to fade away after a little bit of time.
Dhawan was the mos in champions trophy, kl rahul and Pandey are promising talents.
 
Well 31 year old guys are setting up 350 run chases despite having played limited international cricket by toying with English bowlers! That's a pretty damning indictment of their bowling i think.

Dhawan/Dhoni/Yuvrraj/Rahul not toying with them. what does that make of them? Average players? That is how ODI crickt goes these days. Remember how Australia struggled to get Manish Pandey out in Australia.
 
I think kohli want a big hitting batsman in middle order which pandey isn't. Pandey is in mould of kohli.

Yeah should be made to open along with Rohit,Pant should come in 2 down (Yuvi chucked out).
 
Please get this guy umesh yadav away from our team.he is a spraygun and even in his best days he goes over 6 rpo.
 
Manish Pandey? Dude he is sitting out because Kohli decided to play his favs ,he won us a chasing game in Aus.Also Dhawan won us a Champ Trophy in England and awesome performance in final of Asia cup,not sure that is fading out but yeah he is bad now.

Bro, he's not doing good in his backyard. What sort of a performance would you expect from him overseas on the basis of current form?
 
Amen to that. This guy is a genuine match loser. It will hurt his Test career as well. He either should learn to adapt or pave way for others.
 
Rahul scored 199 in his last innings before today. In what world has he faded away? He was one of the few players who actually lost his wicket on a good ball today.

Manish had a disappointing series against NZ, sure.

And Dhawan is a hack and can't be compared to technically good players like the other two.

Manish looked to be very promising in Australia but hasn't exactly done a lot ever since. As for Rahul, we will see how good he is in rest of the games. Anyway, as I initially stated, this team is all Kohli or nothing. Even the performance of other players are majorly because of Kohli's positive approach.
 
Manish looked to be very promising in Australia but hasn't exactly done a lot ever since. As for Rahul, we will see how good he is in rest of the games. Anyway, as I initially stated, this team is all Kohli or nothing. Even the performance of other players are majorly because of Kohli's positive approach.

Good win for India, but personally I like low scoring games.
 
Saw part of the match. Kohli kept getting mad at Kedhar for turning down unrealistic calls. India won because of Kedhar today. That being said RIP bowlers on this pitch.
 
Very Well played by Kholi and kedhar. M But alot of free singles was given by Morgan. This was a mental Chase could NOT believe What i was seeing
 
Certainly. Can't remember the last time India lost a game after scoring 320+.

It has only happened twice and on both occasions - the opponent was Pakistan.

1) The first time was the 1st ODI in the 2006 series at Peshawar where India amassed 328 but lost to Pakistan on D/L method. Technically, we didn't chase 328 and only had made 309/7 before bad light stopped play but we still won the match.

2) the second and last time it has happened was the 2nd ODI in the 2007 series at Mohali. India amassed 321 with Sachin making 99 but Pakistan chased it down thanks to a century by YK and a good knock by Misbah. At the time - it was the highest successful chase by Pakistan in ODI's.
 
Don't think there's a better ODI chasing team atm than India. Kohli is just unreal no total is safe as long as he's there.
 
saw the highlights...ive got to say without Kohli the team would have had too much to do..But some of the shots he was hitting..did anyone see the flick six that was all wrist work?? how the hell do you hit that?? way better to watch than Sachin and this is from a Sachin admirer)

I have to say this though, the pitch was a as flat as they come and that outfield was lighting quick..the ground was also a bit weird..I think the long on boundaries were smaller than the square leg and the offside??

overall though, I listened to the match on radio five live sports extra and Simon Hughes(the most annoying partisan England commentator ever) I mean this fellow even managed a dig at Pakistan in this match!! unbelievable..it was so good to hear him whine when kohli was smashing them lol..

otherwise I was still on England side lol..
 
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saw the highlights...ive got to say without Kohli the team would have had too much to do..But some of the shots he was hitting..did anyone see the flick six that was all wrist work?? how the hell do you hit that?? way better to watch than Sachin and this is from a Sachin admirer)

I have to say this though, the pitch was a as flat as they come and that outfield was lighting quick..the ground was also a bit weird..I think the long on boundaries were smaller than the square leg and the offside??

overall though, I listened to the match on radio five live sports extra and Simon Hughes(the most annoying partisan England commentator ever) I mean this fellow even managed a dig at Pakistan in this match!! unbelievable..it was so good to hear him whine when kohli was smashing them lol..

otherwise I was still on England side lol..

He's a one man run machine and keeps us in games we should lose. He's taken his Limited Overs batting beyond Sachin's level and we are incredibly lucky to have him in our team.
 
Once pant is brought into our team it would be full of match winner.Need to get rid of dhawan,rohit,yuvraj,dhoni and umesh spray gun yadav and Ishant and mohit sharma and vinay and jaydev unadkat and dhawal kulkarni once for all never to be selected again
 
Once pant is brought into our team it would be full of match winner.Need to get rid of dhawan,rohit,yuvraj,dhoni and umesh spray gun yadav and Ishant and mohit sharma and vinay and jaydev unadkat and dhawal kulkarni once for all never to be selected again

if you get rid of all these players...we'll have no one to select...
 
if you get rid of all these players...we'll have no one to select...

Dhawan --->rahul
Yuvraj --->Pandey
Dhoni---->sarfaraz
Rohit----->pant
Deepak Hooda
Suryakumar
Yadav --->nathu singh
Ishant--->Avesh khan
Mohit sharma --->chama milind
Ashwin --->kuldeep
Mishra --->gopal
Unadkat--->md Siraz
Kulkarni --->ankit rajpoot
 
Dhawan --->rahul
Yuvraj --->Pandey
Dhoni---->sarfaraz
Rohit----->pant
Deepak Hooda
Suryakumar
Yadav --->nathu singh
Ishant--->Avesh khan
Mohit sharma --->chama milind
Ashwin --->kuldeep
Mishra --->gopal
Unadkat--->md Siraz
Kulkarni --->ankit rajpoot

damn that's a poor team. most of those guys won't make india A let alone replace proven ODI ers.
 
Dhawan --->rahul
Yuvraj --->Pandey
Dhoni---->sarfaraz
Rohit----->pant
Deepak Hooda
Suryakumar
Yadav --->nathu singh
Ishant--->Avesh khan
Mohit sharma --->chama milind
Ashwin --->kuldeep
Mishra --->gopal
Unadkat--->md Siraz
Kulkarni --->ankit rajpoot

Sarfaraz, Nathu, Avesh, Milind, Gopal, Siraz, Ankit aren't ready yet

Suryakumar is inconsistent.
 
Sarfaraz, Nathu, Avesh, Milind, Gopal, Siraz, Ankit aren't ready yet

Suryakumar is inconsistent.

I think genuine questions need to be asked about Dhawan. He is great when he gets going but his form is always an issue. I read somewhere that he has the highest failure rate of any Indian batsman. It's either feast or famine with him. Probably worth persisting with because he's a big tournament player. Otherwise Rahane/Pant are decent options.

Rahane's days in the middle order are over, I believe. Gets bogged down. His place is only open as an opener now.

Yuvi and Dhoni's impact will be interesting to see as the series continues. I think/hope they will hit form but it could be a concern. Dhoni's keeping is good enough that I would be happy to carry him for the rest of his career even if he fails with the bat.

If Yuvi fails, it would be tempting to replace him with Pandey.
 
Good win but all the known issues at play again.

What needs to happen before the CT is

Dhawan --> Rohit
Yuvraj --> Manish Pandey (even Raina)
Dhoni --> Rishabh
Umesh --> Shami

Maybe even Ashwin for Kuldeep?

there is no reason quite yet for replacing yuvraj.

replacing the old for the new is usually a good practice but not when the old is still quite good.
 
It has only happened twice and on both occasions - the opponent was Pakistan.

1) The first time was the 1st ODI in the 2006 series at Peshawar where India amassed 328 but lost to Pakistan on D/L method. Technically, we didn't chase 328 and only had made 309/7 before bad light stopped play but we still won the match.

2) the second and last time it has happened was the 2nd ODI in the 2007 series at Mohali. India amassed 321 with Sachin making 99 but Pakistan chased it down thanks to a century by YK and a good knock by Misbah. At the time - it was the highest successful chase by Pakistan in ODI's.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/416240.html

You forgot this. The finest innings in a losing cause that I've seen in ODIs.
 
THAT pull shot though... rolled back the years. Also, looked decent until he got out. We'll have a better idea of his ability over the series.

Have you forgotten his previous comebacks? Cost us at least one T20 WC.

He was brought back based off his domestic form but we only have trundlers there and it is pretty clear that the comeback Yuvi has an issue against pace.


Yuvi is an Indian and Asian ATG in LOI cricket but we have enough young kids who deserve that opportunity now.
 
Have you forgotten his previous comebacks? Cost us at least one T20 WC.

He was brought back based off his domestic form but we only have trundlers there and it is pretty clear that the comeback Yuvi has an issue against pace.

Yuvi is an Indian and Asian ATG in LOI cricket but we have enough young kids who deserve that opportunity now.

I remember that. He had an off day. Tbf, he also took us to the 2007 WC final and the 2011 WC Final.

He didn't look uncomfortable against the pace against ENG, actually seemed to take a fancy to it. Pitches in ENG are not that quick and bouncy so that weakness might not be exposed anyway. I'm gonna see how he performs in the next two games before I cast my judgement.
 
I remember that. He had an off day. Tbf, he also took us to the 2007 WC final and the 2011 WC Final.

He didn't look uncomfortable against the pace against ENG, actually seemed to take a fancy to it. Pitches in ENG are not that quick and bouncy so that weakness might not be exposed anyway. I'm gonna see how he performs in the next two games before I cast my judgement.

As I said, Yuvi is a LOI great. 2011 is already 5 years and cancer back.

Some of Yuvi's knocks from way back are amongst my favourites of all time. That 84 against Australia in the CT 2000, Natwest final in 2001. He was such a key part of the young guns that changed Indian LOI cricket completely.
 
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