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India v Australia | 1st Test | Pune | Feb 23-27, 2017 | Day 1

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India Squad

V Kohli*, R Ashwin, RA Jadeja, B Kumar, A Mukund, KK Nair, HH Pandya, CA Pujara, AM Rahane, KL Rahul, WP Saha†, I Sharma, M Vijay, J Yadav, UT Yadav

Australia Squad

SPD Smith*, DA Warner, AC Agar, JM Bird, PSP Handscomb, JR Hazlewood, UT Khawaja, NM Lyon, MR Marsh, SE Marsh, GJ Maxwell, SNJ O'Keefe, MT Renshaw, MA Starc, MJ Swepson, MS Wade†
 
Feel for NZ. Lost all tosses iirc. Rest of the teams have been luckier.
 
Australia just don't have the spinners. Expect their batting to do better than most people think though. It's imperative that Warner scores at a decent rate in the first session. Smith, Handscomb and him will be key
 
What's the use of mitch marsh on this rank turner pitch? Mindless selection, maxi would have scored more than this taileneder vs spin and would have provide longer breathes for faster bowlers in bowling.
 
Indian curators up to their tactics again. Have produced a dry, crumbling pitch. India won't gain anything but false confidence playing on these pitches.
 
Taaya said:
Indian curators up to their tactics again. Have produced a dry, crumbling pitch. India won't gain anything but false confidence playing on these pitches.
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Did they gain false confidence after winning the last 6 tests in which 3 were outright pattas?
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Did they gain false confidence after winning the last 6 tests in which 3 were outright pattas?
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No, but they gained false confidence producing despicable tracks when the South Africans toured. Anyways, I am specifically talking about this match and this pitch. No need to defend such lame tactics.
 
Taaya said:
No, but they gained false confidence producing despicable tracks when the South Africans toured. Anyways, I am specifically talking about this match and this pitch. No need to defend such lame tactics.
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So please tell me how did we manage to win 5 out of 6 games on those pattas (losing 5 tosses) after gaining all the false confidence beating SA on designer pitches (not that I disagree with the fact that there were rank turners in that SA series)?
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
So please tell me how did we manage to win 5 out of 6 games on those pattas (losing 5 tosses) after gaining all the false confidence beating SA on designer pitches (not that I disagree with the fact that there were rank turners in that SA series)?
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I am referring to false confidence as a strong test team in all conditions - isn't that what Kohli's ultimate goal is? We all know Indians are a good team at home, is there a need to further drive the home advantage by producing such pitches? In my opinion, it would be more productive for the Indian team to produce more balanced pitches. It would also make the world rate them higher. Beating England and NZ in India is no great accomplishment. Heck, Pakistan drew England 2-2 in English conditions.
 
Taaya said:
I am referring to false confidence as a strong test team in all conditions - isn't that what Kohli's ultimate goal is? We all know Indians are a good team at home, is there a need to further drive the home advantage by producing such pitches? In my opinion, it would be more productive for the Indian team to produce more balanced pitches. It would also make the world rate them higher. Beating England and NZ in India is no great accomplishment. Heck, Pakistan drew England 2-2 in English conditions.
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What was the point of bringing this here. You want the conversation on who is better in foreign conditions? if yes, I will oblige
 
Ankit007 said:
What was the point of bringing this here. You want the conversation on who is better in foreign conditions? if yes, I will oblige
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You missed the point, because you seem to want a certain confrontation. I brought up this point to indicate that the current England test team is fairly average, even a 6th ranked team like Pakistan won two matches on their soil. India beating them at home is no great accomplishment.
 
Taaya said:
I am referring to false confidence as a strong test team in all conditions - isn't that what Kohli's ultimate goal is? We all know Indians are a good team at home, is there a need to further drive the home advantage by producing such pitches? In my opinion, it would be more productive for the Indian team to produce more balanced pitches. It would also make the world rate them higher. Beating England and NZ in India is no great accomplishment. Heck, Pakistan drew England 2-2 in English conditions.
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First of all, I don't disagree with your larger point.

Beating anyone in India doesn't give us any guarantee that we will do well outside Asia. We will only know when we tour.

Considering the fact that we have given some easy pitches to opposition in the last 6 tests along with decent tracks in NZ series and done well, its been established that India can play in all types of Indian tracks so if we do get a random bad track, its not like the end of the world.

I would prefer sporting tracks where bats, spinners and pacers all get equal opportunities too with the odd rank turner thrown in for a series.
 
Taaya said:
You missed the point, because you seem to want a certain confrontation. I brought up this point to indicate that the current England test team is fairly average, even a 6th ranked team like Pakistan won two matches on their soil. India beating them at home is no great accomplishment.
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Hmm... Okay. So do you think Aussies will compete better than them if they are given flat tracks. Secondly why dont we test them on turning tracks? Third, I dont think its bad to use home advantage. I dont think this can be called unfair in any manner.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
First of all, I don't disagree with your larger point.

Beating anyone in India doesn't give us any guarantee that we will do well outside Asia. We will only know when we tour.

Considering the fact that we have given some easy pitches to opposition in the last 6 tests along with decent tracks in NZ series and done well, its been established that India can play in all types of Indian tracks so if we do get a random bad track, its not like the end of the world.

I would prefer sporting tracks where bats, spinners and pacers all get equal opportunities too with the odd rank turner thrown in for a series.
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You're right, its not the end of the world. India is a good team, I don't think they need to produce such pitches to do well at home. I would also prefer to see sporting tracks, which is why I expressed my displeasure.
 
Ankit007 said:
Hmm... Okay. So do you think Aussies will compete better than them if they are given flat tracks. Secondly why dont we test them on turning tracks? Third, I dont think its bad to use home advantage. I dont think this can be called unfair in any manner.
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Turning tracks are a given, India has every right to produce them at home. However, I think it should be a sporting pitch. A pitch turning from day 1 (prompting Kohli to start bowling with Ashwin) is a bit extreme, don't you think? Do they need such an extreme advantage to beat the Aussies? It doesn't benefit them in the long term either.
 
Ankit007 said:
Hmm... Okay. So do you think Aussies will compete better than them if they are given flat tracks. Secondly why dont we test them on turning tracks? Third, I dont think its bad to use home advantage. I dont think this can be called unfair in any manner.
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Maybe coz 3 days test match are awful.
 
Taaya said:
You're right, its not the end of the world. India is a good team, I don't think they need to produce such pitches to do well at home. I would also prefer to see sporting tracks, which is why I expressed my displeasure.
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Ok then.

I think the plan was something else and results didn't come out as intended.

We went too spin oriented against SA.
Then got it right against NZ.
Then went too flat against Eng trying to make a sporting pitch.
Here to prevent a patta, we didn't water and probably went too far in the spin direction. Time will tell. Spin tracks with true bounce can be high scoring like Mumbai 2016 and Chennai 2013.
 
Six overs bowled and still no wicket, indian bowlers up your game, i want to see this Oz team getting a phainty for the ages.
 
Taaya said:
Turning tracks are a given, India has every right to produce them at home. However, I think it should be a sporting pitch. A pitch turning from day 1 (prompting Kohli to start bowling with Ashwin) is a bit extreme, don't you think? Do they need such an extreme advantage to beat the Aussies? It doesn't benefit them in the long term either.
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Hmm.. I agree with this. Pitch should not be this much dry upfront but I think one or two matches can be an exception. Not every pitch will be like this I hope
 
Taaya said:
I am referring to false confidence as a strong test team in all conditions - isn't that what Kohli's ultimate goal is? We all know Indians are a good team at home, is there a need to further drive the home advantage by producing such pitches? In my opinion, it would be more productive for the Indian team to produce more balanced pitches. It would also make the world rate them higher. Beating England and NZ in India is no great accomplishment. Heck, Pakistan drew England 2-2 in English conditions.
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NZ drew 1-1 in UAE and whitewashed Pakistan 2-0 in NZ. Talk nah.
 
Indians surely do love test cricket, great to see no empty seats in the stadium.
 
There will always be runs on spin tracks with true bounce.

Jayant bowled 2 beauties in that over. Erred a bit and got spanked for 2 fours.
 
Wow! Unlike Eng and Bdesh series this pitch is a turner, adv AUS for winning the toss. Now, make the most of it and rake up 400+

Will be tough to bat last on this pitch. Both sides 1st innings totals shall be very crucial.
 
Need a short leg for Warner from this angle. He is playing with hard hands.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Wow! Unlike Eng and Bdesh series this pitch is a turner, adv AUS for winning the toss. Now, make the most of it and rake up 400+

Will be tough to bat last on this pitch. Both sides 1st innings totals shall be very crucial.
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Even 400+ in combined innings might work here!!!!!!!!

I think, 300+ in 1st innings is match winning here.
 
14 overs bowled off which 10 are by spinners Mashallah
 
I don't think this is a low scoring pitch at all.

If the bounce was less, then maybe. But there is bounce which makes run scoring easier.

Jayant yaar...get it right.
 
Come on Jayant!!!!! Australia havent lost a wicket and that is the moment crucial statistic for us at the moment.
 
Jadeja would be much better & much more lethal than Ashwin or Yadav.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I don't think this is a low scoring pitch at all.

If the bounce was less, then maybe. But there is bounce which makes run scoring easier.

Jayant yaar...get it right.
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But, it's uneven bounce in 1st hour of 30. If it remains same, there should be lots of quick runs, but I think it's an uneven sharp tuner.
 
MMHS said:
Even 400+ in combined innings might work here!!!!!!!!

I think, 300+ in 1st innings is match winning here.
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Already 10% done :yk

1st hour negotiated without any damage. As always we show jitters in the first session of a new test series with no balls and dropped chances :facepalm:

Hopefully we get them 2 down by lunch.
 
Congratulations on getting such a massive crowd Boys !! Test cricket clearly need this !!

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