India v Australia | 1st Test | Pune | Feb 23-27, 2017 | Day 1

[Yatoo]

Two new batsmen

 

[Statsman]

True. He was rubbish under Dhoni

Curious to know how he has fared under Kohli. Can someone share the numbers?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Indians what did you put in their food this time? Sabotaging the Aussie batting order 2

 

[rhony]

Upset stomach methinks

That chicken tika masala doesn't sit well with bellies!!!

 

[LastManstanding]

Time for Ashwin to send Marsh back to pavilion.

 

[Yatoo]

Delhi belly?

So if bowlers cant get him, the Cooks will

 

[LastManstanding]

Indians what did you put in their food this time? Sabotaging the Aussie batting order 2

Looks like they dont like vegetarian food.

 

[rhony]

Curious to know how he has fared under Kohli. Can someone share the numbers?

It's possible that his reverse swing ability has come to the fore once they started plaing in India more often. Either way, he seems more confident and consistently takes wickets

 

[LastManstanding]

Upset stomach methinks

Sh1t happens

 

[R0H1T]

Aus going the way of Poms, too soft?

 

[Statsman]

So if bowlers cant get him, the Cooks will

Whatever works

 

[rhony]

Australia's best players of spin are at the crease. Will be a terrific 2nd session. First session goes to Aussies

 

[Yatoo]

Curious to know how he has fared under Kohli. Can someone share the numbers?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

These white people have such a weak digestive system. Whenever my friends and relatives who live abroad come to Pakistan and eat the delicious food there they get sick. Their loss. They should stick to their cold sandwiches

 

[Statsman]

It's possible that his reverse swing ability has come to the fore once they started plaing in India more often. Either way, he seems more confident and consistently takes wickets

I'm more interested in his numbers to be honest. Btw Dhoni cant teach him reverse swing. Neither can Kohli.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ashwin should shorten his length a touch and he could get the edge.

There is no need for the slingy action even though he is accurate with it.

 

[Statsman]

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Wait. I'm not getting this.

Does he average 31 under Dhoni and 45 under Kohli? At almost twice the SR under KK.

 

[rhony]

These white people have such a weak digestive system. Whenever my friends and relatives who live abroad come to Pakistan and eat the delicious food there they get sick. Their loss. They should stick to their bland cold sandwiches

I've seen many a white belly stinking up the restrooms at our restaurant. The spices don't mix well in their tummies

 

[rhony]

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Huh.. The numbers don't support my claim. Surprising

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I've seen many a white belly stinking up the restrooms at our restaurant. The spices don't mix well in their tummies

Too much information

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Wait. I'm not getting this.

Does he average 31 under Dhoni and 45 under Kohli? Almost twice the SR.

Yes. So you gonna conclude Yadav was better under Dhoni?

By the way, he started off his career in India in a good way. Then injury. Lost focus. And now he is getting better even though statistically he is rubbish.

 

[rhony]

I'm more interested in his numbers to be honest. Btw Dhoni cant teach him reverse swing. Neither can Kohli.

The pitches can and he's been playing non stop on Indian poitches since Kohli took over

 

[Yatoo]

Wait. I'm not getting this.

Does he average 31 under Dhoni and 45 under Kohli? At almost twice the SR under KK.

I was shocked too, But mabe this is Ashwin effect. Ashwin has turned beast mode under kohli

 

[rhony]

Ashwin should shorten his length a touch and he could get the edge.

There is no need for the slingy action even though he is accurate with it.

Thought he should be fuller to get the nick. There is too much turn

 

[Yatoo]

The pitches can and he's been playing non stop on Indian poitches since Kohli took over

His career stats are better in India than overseas

 

[Statsman]

Yes. So you gonna conclude Yadav was better under Dhoni?

By the way, he started off his career in India in a good way. Then injury. Lost focus. And now he is getting better even though statistically he is rubbish.

I'm not concluding anything mate. Just curious.

Maybe he has had more missed edges and dropped catches under Kohli which makes his average look so bad. Deserves a long rope.

 

[Statsman]

Huh.. The numbers don't support my claim. Surprising

That's why I was insistent on the numbers.

 

[Yatoo]

 

[Statsman]

I was shocked too, But mabe this is Ashwin effect. Ashwin has turned beast mode under kohli

Batting 1 home series Ashwin and Jaḍeja were beasts under Dhoni as well.

We should do a bowler by bowler analysis under the two.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Thought he should be fuller to get the nick. There is too much turn

That is also true but its a fine line.

The ball ain't beating the bat much now barring the odd one. I don't know...post lunch it may do.

I'm not concluding anything mate. Just curious.

Maybe he has had more missed edges and dropped catches under Kohli which makes his average look so bad. Deserves a long rope.

Except in Rajkot, don't think he missed a lot of wickets.

Consistency wise, Yadav has been bad under Kohli too but in several areas he has improved and his crucial wickets have helped. He still has to get consistent.

 

[Yatoo]

Batting 1 home series Ashwin and Jaḍeja were beasts under Dhoni as well.

We should do a bowler by bowler analysis under the two.

Ashwin

Jadeja

 

[marlonbrowndo]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] my point about the deep fielder. Smith on 0. Last over of the session. Taps it to long on. Make them earn those fielders.

 

[rhony]

That's why I was insistent on the numbers.

I watched every test match in India's home season. One big improvement in Umesh was his accuracy and discipline. His spells were consistent and is arguably the best exponent of reverse in this India team. Shame that the wickets don't accurately portray how good he was.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] my point about the deep fielder. Smith on 0. Last over of the session. Taps it to long on. Make them earn those fielders.

Here I agree with you.

Earlier they weren't taking easy singles. And Renshaw did loft Jaddu for a six.

 

[rhony]

Great session by the Aussies. I hope Renshaw is not injured. Very impressed with him. Looked more assured than Warner. This will set the platform for the series. Much intrigued

 

[Statsman]

Ashwin View attachment 72911

Jadeja
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Sorry I have to ask you to do this as I am on phone and Cricinfo stats guru doesn't work properly but I'm interested in solely home stats for Ashwin and Jaḍeja under Kohli and Dhoni. Overseas stats are so different that they dilute any analysis.

Thanks for the help mate.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

What a pitch lol. Excellent application from Warner and Renshaw.

 

[Yatoo]

Mohammad Shami has improved under Kohli




IShant Sharma has nearly remained the same

 

[Chief Destroyer]

How good is Saha behind the stumps?

 

[Statsman]

I watched every test match in India's home season. One big improvement in Umesh was his accuracy and discipline. His spells were consistent and is arguably the best exponent of reverse in this India team. Shame that the wickets don't accurately portray how good he was.

Sif says he's not had consistency while you say he's had while both of you agree that he's done well under Kohli. Not sure who's more correct.

Numbers say he's been atrocious at home where Indian pace bowlers bowl much better than abroad.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Sorry I have to ask you to do this as I am on phone and Cricinfo stats guru doesn't work properly but I'm interested in solely home stats for Ashwin and Jaḍeja under Kohli and Dhoni. Overseas stats are so different that they dilute any analysis.

Thanks for the help mate.

Ashwin and Jaddu's performance under Dhoni and Kohli is a pointless exercise.

Under Dhoni, Ashwin had the horror show in 2012. Not Dhoni's fault.
Under Kohli, both got SA pitches to boost stats.

What you can see is the quality of bowling which is higher under Kohli than Dhoni cos the spinners matured.

This has got nothing to do with either Dhoni or Kohli.

The area where it actually makes a difference is pacers.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

How good is Saha behind the stumps?

Couple of brilliant takes. Hasn't made a mistake yet. Made a bad call for a review though

 

[Yatoo]

Sorry I have to ask you to do this as I am on phone and Cricinfo stats guru doesn't work properly but I'm interested in solely home stats for Ashwin and Jaḍeja under Kohli and Dhoni. Overseas stats are so different that they dilute any analysis.

Thanks for the help mate.

Yes you are right.

I am trying to see if I can get home only stats under two captains

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Sif says he's not had consistency while you say he's had while both of you agree that he's done well under Kohli. Not sure who's more correct.

Numbers say he's been atrocious at home where Indian pace bowlers bowl much better than abroad.

Consistency is about taking wickets regularly.

Yadav has looked good many a times but hasn't quite done enough to get the wickets. Hence his bad average but good reputation.

His economy rates have dropped under Kohli though.

 

[Statsman]

Ashwin and Jaddu's performance under Dhoni and Kohli is a pointless exercise.

Under Dhoni, Ashwin had the horror show in 2012. Not Dhoni's fault.
Under Kohli, both got SA pitches to boost stats.

What you can see is the quality of bowling which is higher under Kohli than Dhoni cos the spinners matured.

This has got nothing to do with either Dhoni or Kohli.

The area where it actually makes a difference is pacers.

Would agree with your analysis on spinners.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Couple of brilliant takes. Hasn't made a mistake yet. Made a bad call for a review though

It was a rhetorical question.

 

[rhony]

Sif says he's not had consistency while you say he's had while both of you agree that he's done well under Kohli. Not sure who's more correct.

Numbers say he's been atrocious at home where Indian pace bowlers bowl much better than abroad.

Consistency in line and length. He used to be a spray gun but seems to be more focussed now. His economy rate has gone down too

 

[marlonbrowndo]

It was a rhetorical question.

Lol. Thought you weren't watching

 

[Yatoo]

home and away under dhoni for ashwin



home and away under kohli for ashwin

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Consistency in line and length. He used to be a spray gun but seems to be more focussed now. His economy rate has gone down too

Ok looks like we talked about consistency in different terms.

I completely agree with you about Yadav.

Better line and lengths....but hasn't done enough to get the wickets hence the bad average.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

home and away under dhoni for ashwin
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home and away under kohli for ashwin

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That's mostly down to ashwin improving as a bowler. Also he toured the difficult away places for spinners under dhoni

 

[Yatoo]

home and away under dhoni for jadeja



home and away under kohli for jadeja

 

[Statsman]

Consistency in line and length. He used to be a spray gun but seems to be more focussed now. His economy rate has gone down too

Maybe and pls correct me if I'm wrong but that could be because he's bowled more in India and not in overseas places especially like Australia where Warner smashes you all around the park.

His economy in India is 3.1 and under Kohli 3.3.

 

[Yatoo]

That's mostly down to ashwin improving as a bowler. Also he toured the difficult away places for spinners under dhoni

We should discard the Away stats.

At home, Ashwin has been better bowler under Kohli as he has matured and also the captain is of attacking mindset

 

[rhony]

home and away under dhoni for ashwin
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home and away under kohli for ashwin

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This is skewed. The away series are against BD, SL and WI mostly.

 

[Yatoo]

home and away under dhoni for jadeja
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home and away under kohli for jadeja

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For Jadeja, there hasn't been much change playing at home under two different captains

 

[Yatoo]

This is skewed. The away series are against BD, SL and WI mostly.

I was only interested in home stats

 

[Statsman]

This is skewed. The away series are against BD, SL and WI mostly.

Yeah. Away stats can be misleading.

 

[JattMaula]

Don't worry about crowds. Budget tickets are sold out. I'm trying get a sick for tomorrow. This isn't going to 5th day barring a Pujara masterclass.

 

[rhony]

Maybe and pls correct me if I'm wrong but that could be because he's bowled more in India and not in overseas places especially like Australia where Warner smashes you all around the park.

His economy in India is 3.1 and under Kohli 3.3.

Pitches are a factor. There is absolutely no movement on those bland AUS pitches. But still you could contain the batsmen like Hazelwood had done with better line and length. Yadav was atrocious in that series. Dhoni has publicly critisized Yadav for his indiscipline with the ball and favored slower pacers who could bowl in the channel. Kohli on the other hand likes pace and favored Yadav

 

[yasir]

Ashwin and Jaddu's performance under Dhoni and Kohli is a pointless exercise.

Under Dhoni, Ashwin had the horror show in 2012. Not Dhoni's fault.
Under Kohli, both got SA pitches to boost stats.

What you can see is the quality of bowling which is higher under Kohli than Dhoni cos the spinners matured.

This has got nothing to do with either Dhoni or Kohli.

The area where it actually makes a difference is pacers.

I have watch last 45 mins of the match, we don't get that kind of wicket in last 45 mins of day 5, and this is first session.They are bowling 15 test in a row on such wickets, no wonder stats look good. Ashwin is good bowler no doubt but wickets are too good. Even 82-0 and no wicket in 25 overs, you know can get 3/4 in next 5 overs, batsmen are never comfortable...English and Auses have made same mistake, they did not pick front line spinners, you need one, last time when English picked Swann and Monty they won series...

His bowling in Loi has come down a bit since the crack down, his action looks better now, less straightening than before. But now in IPL and odi he is not the same threat as 3/4 years ago when Narin and Ashwin were king in ipl. I remember 14/16 KKR wins in a row including championship game.

 

[akki]

I have watch last 45 mins of the match, we don't get that kind of wicket in last 45 mins of day 5, and this is first session.They are bowling 15 test in a row on such wickets, no wonder stats look good. Ashwin is good bowler no doubt but wickets are too good. Even 82-0 and no wicket in 25 overs, you know can get 3/4 in next 5 overs, batsmen are never comfortable...English and Auses have made same mistake, they did not pick front line spinners, you need one, last time when English picked Swann and Monty they won series...

His bowling in Loi has come down a bit since the crack down, his action looks better now, less straightening than before. But now in IPL and odi he is not the same threat as 3/4 years ago when Narin and Ashwin were king in ipl. I remember 14/16 KKR wins in a row including championship game.

you have seen test series against england as well right? 5 match test series....not a single test match pitch was a turner.....

 

[JattMaula]

you have seen test series against england as well right? 5 match test series....not a single test match pitch was a turner.....

What? 45 mins is not enough to judge 5 years?

 

[Statsman]

Ironically Ashwin's performance has gone upwards post the crackdown while a magical spinner performed the best magic trick if his career. He disappeared forever.

Some posters are really clueless.

 

[SunRay]

100-1. Excellent from aussies so far. Smith is the key here. He's Looking really really comfortable against spin.

 

[roshanrocks]

Australia are making all those over confident Indian fans like Ganguly and Harbhajan nervous right now...lol

Fantastic application by the visitors. This pitch might make even the India batters nervous.

 

[roshanrocks]

Wasted 2 reviews inside 40 overs.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Another bad review. Think it was Pujara or Saha again who convinced Kohli

 

[Statsman]

Australia are making all those over confident Indian fans like Ganguly and Harbhajan nervous right now...lol

Fantastic application by the visitors. This pitch might make even the India batters nervous.

True. Overconfidence never helps.

 

[yasir]

Ironically Ashwin's performance has gone upwards post the crackdown while a magical spinner performed the best magic trick if his career. He disappeared forever.

Some posters are really clueless.

Let's see what he does in west first, many Pakistani fans were upbeat about Yasir, but he failed miserably in down under...Anderson is/was also very good in wet and green summer of England, but that's about it.

I still maintain Sawann was better off spinner than Ashwin...Even in some English test he was not that stealer in first innings...

His LOI performance has gone down pair crack down, and test has not been tested beyond rank turners... let's talk next year this time when India will circle around the world, maybe I am clue less and he is next to Bradman

 

[Statsman]

Let's see what he does in west first, many Pakistani fans were upbeat about Yasir, but he failed miserably in down under...Anderson is/was also very good in wet and green summer of England, but that's about it.

I still maintain Sawann was better off spinner than Ashwin...Even in some English test he was not that stealer in first innings...

His LOI performance has gone down pair crack down, and test has not been tested beyond rank turners... let's talk next year this time when India will circle around the world, maybe I am clue less and he is next to Bradman ������

He was never that good outside of Asia/ WI. Any crackdown has nothing to do with it.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I have watch last 45 mins of the match, we don't get that kind of wicket in last 45 mins of day 5, and this is first session.They are bowling 15 test in a row on such wickets, no wonder stats look good. Ashwin is good bowler no doubt but wickets are too good. Even 82-0 and no wicket in 25 overs, you know can get 3/4 in next 5 overs, batsmen are never comfortable...English and Auses have made same mistake, they did not pick front line spinners, you need one, last time when English picked Swann and Monty they won series...

His bowling in Loi has come down a bit since the crack down, his action looks better now, less straightening than before. But now in IPL and odi he is not the same threat as 3/4 years ago when Narin and Ashwin were king in ipl. I remember 14/16 KKR wins in a row including championship game.

I have given explanations for it many times and I can't go through the efforts again.

Every single sentence of your post is factually wrong brother (be it reg spin vs results, action, his performances in LOI, etc).

Spin does not automatically mean its easy to bowl.

Just check average of English spinners on non turners in Vizag and Mohali and then compare it to their averages in Mumbai where ball turned from day 1. Indian spinners averaged very well in those non turners too.

How is that possible? Hint: True bounce.

If you think Pak (or any other) spinners are gonna run through batting lineups on turning true bounce pitches in first innings, then you can't be more mistaken.

I will let someone else who has read my posts explain it cos I have done it way way way too many times on PP.

 

[Stallion__]

Don't waste your reviews on Kettleborough. I am yet to see his decision being overturned.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Very soft dismissal

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Jayant strikes.

 

[rhony]

Street smarts from Kohli

 

[rhony]

I have watch last 45 mins of the match, we don't get that kind of wicket in last 45 mins of day 5, and this is first session.They are bowling 15 test in a row on such wickets, no wonder stats look good. Ashwin is good bowler no doubt but wickets are too good. Even 82-0 and no wicket in 25 overs, you know can get 3/4 in next 5 overs, batsmen are never comfortable...English and Auses have made same mistake, they did not pick front line spinners, you need one, last time when English picked Swann and Monty they won series...

His bowling in Loi has come down a bit since the crack down, his action looks better now, less straightening than before. But now in IPL and odi he is not the same threat as 3/4 years ago when Narin and Ashwin were king in ipl. I remember 14/16 KKR wins in a row including championship game.

This pitch is bad one for Day 1. However, I'm pretty sure you haven't watched Ind vs NZ or Eng. The pitches never turned this much. Infact very high scores were made by both teams in the first innings. Sure, there is a bit of turn but credit goes to Indian spinners and that's the beauty and uniqueness of Sub continent cricket.

 

[Statsman]

Handscomb should find it difficult here. Lets see.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Lol imagine Sarfraz keeping in India. We will get rolled over just because he will drop half the balls that come to him. Saha is 10 times the keeper

 

[R0H1T]

M/s Llong doing his sh!tty reputation no wrong.