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India v Australia | 1st Test | Pune | Feb 23-27, 2017 | Day 1

sensible-indian-fan said:
I have given explanations for it many times and I can't go through the efforts again.

Every single sentence of your post is factually wrong brother (be it reg spin vs results, action, his performances in LOI, etc).

Spin does not automatically mean its easy to bowl.

Just check average of English spinners on non turners in Vizag and Mohali and then compare it to their averages in Mumbai where ball turned from day 1. Indian spinners averaged very well in those non turners too.

How is that possible? Hint: True bounce.

If you think Pak (or any other) spinners are gonna run through batting lineups on turning true bounce pitches in first innings, then you can't be more mistaken.

I will let someone else who has read my posts explain it cos I have done it way way way too many times on PP.
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Well true bounce can be used as weapon by bowlers, last time who did that effectively, Monty, his pace was higher than anybody else with good control, he was man of the match in one of the test won by England. He gave us tough time in UAE too, again because of extra pace. Where as Moeen and Rashid don't have pace or control... I still think Indian batsmen has not been challenged by any spinner this season...

You also need batsman who knows how to use crease, KP did that well....

The other advantage India gets is that there batsmen are playing 15 test, 8 months in a row, that's termindous advantage turn or no turn, and they have played against team likes WI, NZ, ENG and now AUS... its like give PAK, SL, IND, BD to Aus one after the other, they will have field day, regardless of conditions...

We have seen even with our team, after one series it's too easy, after 2 it's like national team vs school boys. This does not happen in any other sports, home conditions are very difficult task in test, And more you play on same conditions better you get, take of winning become ever so harder for next team to win.
 
R0H1T said:
The impact was umpire's call against Jadeja, that's what I gathered from (online) commentary.
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Umpire called it outside the line and rightly so. It was a terrific decision.
 
yasir said:
Well true bounce can be used as weapon by bowlers, last time who did that effectively, Monty, his pace was higher than anybody else with good control, he was man of the match in one of the test won by England. He gave us tough time in UAE too, again because of extra pace. Where as Moeen and Rashid don't have pace or control... I still think Indian batsmen has not been challenged by any spinner this season...

You also need batsman who knows how to use crease, KP did that well....

The other advantage India gets is that there batsmen are playing 15 test, 8 months in a row, that's termindous advantage turn or no turn, and they have played against team likes WI, NZ, ENG and now AUS... its like give PAK, SL, IND, BD to Aus one after the other, they will have field day, regardless of conditions...

We have seen even with our team, after one series it's too easy, after 2 it's like national team vs school boys. This does not happen in any other sports, home conditions are very difficult task in test, And more you play on same conditions better you get, take of winning become ever so harder for next team to win.
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So did Ashwin.

Took 10fer in the last 2 true bounce pitches he played.

Point is true bounce pitches are high scoring.
 
rhony said:
This pitch is bad one for Day 1. However, I'm pretty sure you haven't watched Ind vs NZ or Eng. The pitches never turned this much. Infact very high scores were made by both teams in the first innings. Sure, there is a bit of turn but credit goes to Indian spinners and that's the beauty and uniqueness of Sub continent cricket.
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One of my point is test cricket is lot more fun when both teams are evenly matched for conditions, I enjoy Aus Vs SA lot more than any other team in those conditions, because home advantage is less of concern.

Similarly, Pakistan Vs India test were really good when they used to play... Many times we play well in England, those are enjoyable series.... but in Australia, we are way off most of the time to make a good viewing...

On the same line, most teams now coming to Asia are little too weak in playing spin, it's less fun to watch... I am not saying Pakistani team is better than Indian, they are better than us ATM, but will can give them much better fight than anybody else, same is true if hey visit us...True test series in Asia is missing, as a fan I am watching second tier cricket, that is also a reason for decline of test cricket in Asia...
 
Mitch Mash is also playing this test?? 🙄🙄🙄

That's horrible selection, you got to play spin Arounder and two frontline spinner. They are playing one spinner and two alrounders. They don't have another frontline spinner...

That's another fundamental problem with western team, they don't have spinners, even if they are don't know how to bowl in Asia, because bowling in Asia and west is very different.

Sort of what happen to our bowlers in Australia, you need to be tall and bowl very different length than in Asia, something which we have not over come in 70 years to win on bounce 😴😴

Those reasons are another example why we end up watching uneven matchups and second tier cricket many times in test
 
Clark was from Sydney, no wonder he was so good at playing spin...
 
Hand comb is impressive here, he was good against Yasir in Australia too...Australia have found good temperamental players in RS and HC, they are playing well, on not so easy pitches...
 
Jaddu gets Handscomb ! India need a collapse soon, or this match is slipping away.
 
What a stupid shot by Smith considering Handscomb was just gone. Opportunity lost for Aussies
 
Now this is looking like the usual visiting Test team suit in India :))
 
We would have felt more comfortable with Nair in the team instead of Rahane on this pitch! However our lower middle order will make sure that we don't face problems in putting up totals ahead of opposition!
 
yasir said:
Hand comb is impressive here, he was good against Yasir in Australia too...Australia have found good temperamental players in RS and HC, they are playing well, on not so easy pitches...
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Playing that inside the crease?
 
rhony said:
Lack of experience and focus. The technique was top notch by Aussies today but they lack focus for long periods of time
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Just tells you how much research these commies do before talking. Clarke is the odd man out there who is all class.

This pitch will turn all the wicket taking deliveries is into just miss oohs and aahs.

So if batsman apply, they will score runs here like every team has done on these pitches.
 
So, Warner and Smith faced 90+ balls and after getting set, they have thrown their wickets. Neither could Marsh and Handscomb carry on after the start.

Yet to score a first fifty by anyone of them.
 
RamLakhan said:
We would have felt more comfortable with Nair in the team instead of Rahane on this pitch! However our lower middle order will make sure that we don't face problems in putting up totals ahead of opposition!
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Yup problem is you have to back someone like Rahane considering we ll have future away tours.
 
Problem with such a defensive approach is that your are only human, you will make a mistake, or even get an unplayable ball. Have to keep ticking away.

Think Australia were hoping that if they stay patient, eventually Kohli and his bowlers will panic. Risky strategy when on this pitch, with Ashwin and Jadeja, his bowlers are always going to be in the game.
 
LastManstanding said:
Give it a rest Warnie. We get that pitch is turning square.
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What's disappointing is our commies (Gavaskar, Manjrekar, Shastri) egging him on. Only Clarke said this pitch looks worse than it behaves.

Someone needs to tell them that the LOWEST first innings score in the last 5 years on this type of Indian pitch has been 330 by India against rampaging Panesar and Swann...and we scored that on the back of JUST 2 BATSMAN clicking with half of our team over the hill.

Yes 330 has been the lowest first innings score.

Every other total (including Eng and Aus innings) was above 400.
 
went out for lunch and 2 wickets gone.. maybe i should eat more..

At 153/4, India have done well to make a come back, but each run scores by the aussies will be important as India have to bat last on this dust bowl..

I wish I could watch live..
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Unplayable minefield yet all 4 wickets are soft dismissals.

How how? :P
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T20 effect... why that does not happen at home, well you are more accustomed to those conditions...

There also another human factor, most accidents happens near familiar roads around Neighbour hood, you take those for granted.... while batting on tough wickets, you take easy balls, carelessly...At the end you have to score too...

India is using the same tactics to Australia what Australia does to Asian teams, greet them on GABBA, put them under mental pressure day one 😉😉😉
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
What's disappointing is our commies (Gavaskar, Manjrekar, Shastri) egging him on. Only Clarke said this pitch looks worse than it behaves.

Someone needs to tell them that the LOWEST first innings score in the last 5 years on this type of Indian pitch has been 330 by India against rampaging Panesar and Swann...and we scored that on the back of JUST 2 BATSMAN clicking with half of our team over the hill.

Yes 330 has been the lowest first innings score.

Every other total (including Eng and Aus innings) was above 400.
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What do you expect from that ****** bunch, all shastri tries to do is find flaws to blame kumble bcz he did not get the coaching job and the mumbai lobby backing him. With warne being the whiny ***** he has always been.
Though i think scores were below 300 in nagpur game against SA
 
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jagatk said:
What do you expect from that ****** bunch, all shastri tries to do is find flaws to blame kumble bcz he did not get the coaching job and the mumbai lobby backing him. With warne being the whiny ***** he has always been.
Though i think scores were below 300 in nagpur game against SA
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Was talking about true bounce pitch.

Mumbai - India scored 330. Eng scored 420.
Chennai - Aus scored 390. India scored 530.
Chennai - Eng scored 480. India scored 620. (this one was a non turner patta though)

Today - Aus at 150/4
 
Ashwin's lengths haven't been consistent post lunch. Needs to bowl more in good length area where he seems to trouble bat.
 
yasir said:
Yes, he uses his feet well too, but today there is too much spin and bounce to charging down the wicket.

He was undone by arm ball
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Dont think thats the right way to play jaddu that inside but i could be wrong.
 
RamLakhan said:
We would have felt more comfortable with Nair in the team instead of Rahane on this pitch! However our lower middle order will make sure that we don't face problems in putting up totals ahead of opposition!
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One triple century on a flat track and Nair is better than Rahane.For all we know Nair may not be good against spin as well. Nair will get his chances South Indian buddy.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Was talking about true bounce pitch.

Mumbai - India scored 330. Eng scored 420.
Chennai - Aus scored 390. India scored 530.
Chennai - Eng scored 480. India scored 620. (this one was a non turner patta though)

Today - Aus at 150/4
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Oh i thought you were talking about all games.
 
In recent times whenever I look at an India Test card and see Ashwin not having 3-4 wickets I do a double tak=ke
 
Pollack said:
One triple century on a flat track and Nair is better than Rahane.For all we know Nair may not be good against spin as well. Nair will get his chances South Indian buddy.
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What is South Indian about it? I was concerned on the nature of the pitch. With shaky openers (Vijay is no more than what he was couple of years back, Rahul has temperament issues just like Aussie Batsmen) So if Kohli or Pujara don't play long innings (on this difficult track), then a collapse is on (We have seen Rahane on turners). Though we have solid lower order, I felt Nair staying with them would have assured good totals!
 
Renshaw is imposing and that's impressive on this pitch.
 
yasir said:
One of my point is test cricket is lot more fun when both teams are evenly matched for conditions, I enjoy Aus Vs SA lot more than any other team in those conditions, because home advantage is less of concern.

Similarly, Pakistan Vs India test were really good when they used to play... Many times we play well in England, those are enjoyable series.... but in Australia, we are way off most of the time to make a good viewing...

On the same line, most teams now coming to Asia are little too weak in playing spin, it's less fun to watch... I am not saying Pakistani team is better than Indian, they are better than us ATM, but will can give them much better fight than anybody else, same is true if hey visit us...True test series in Asia is missing, as a fan I am watching second tier cricket, that is also a reason for decline of test cricket in Asia...
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I see your point. Cricket will always be pitch dependent unlike baseball, football or other games. T20 takes the pitch effect away to a larger extent because of flat surfaces. That's also the beauty of the game though. A player who can perform in different conditions is a true champion and there are very few who can
 
RamLakhan said:
What is South Indian about it? I was concerned on the nature of the pitch. With shaky openers (Vijay is no more than what he was couple of years back, Rahul has temperament issues just like Aussie Batsmen) So if Kohli or Pujara don't play long innings (on this difficult track), then a collapse is on (We have seen Rahane on turners). Though we have solid lower order, I felt Nair staying with them would have assured good totals!
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The point is Rahane is our best test bat and Nair hasn't been tested before. You say we have shaky top order if not for Kohli or Pujara then how can you throw a new player to handle such situations down the order. Rahane has been around some time now and has saved India from collapses,sure not against spin but we are not sure how good is Nair against anything let alone spin.The pitch where he scored wasn't that challenging.
 
Pollack said:
The point is Rahane is our best test bat and Nair hasn't been tested before. You say we have shaky top order if not for Kohli or Pujara then how can you throw a new player to handle such situations down the order. Rahane has been around some time now and has saved India from collapses,sure not against spin but we are not sure how good is Nair against anything let alone spin.The pitch where he scored wasn't that challenging.
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We have seen Rahane struggling against spinners. Let's hope it doesn't cost us this match or series (I am not that worried, but there can be some "heart in the mouth" scenarios)!
 
It will always be good if our spinners are supported by pacers! Good stuff by Yadav!
 
RamLakhan said:
We have seen Rahane struggling against spinners. Let's hope it doesn't cost us this match or series (I am not that worried, but there can be some "heart in the mouth" scenarios)!
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You are assuming that Rahane hasn't worked on his weaknesses ever since. He is a hard working guy, very good test batsman and India's No.1 slip fielder. It would be stupid not to play him
 
RamLakhan said:
We have seen Rahane struggling against spinners. Let's hope it doesn't cost us this match or series (I am not that worried, but there can be some "heart in the mouth" scenarios)!
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He is too good a player to keep failing. Nair would surely get chances in near future but not sure at the place of Rahane unless he is injured.Let's hope for best.
 
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Renshaw has stood like a wall today. He will make sure Aussie donot lose all their wickets today. Well done SIr!
 
Well played. Renshaw been so very impressive. Tells the onlookers why it is called a 'Test Match'.


Ashwin should have his tail up now.
 
Pollack said:
He is too good a player to keep failing. Nair would surely get chances in near future but not sure at the place of Rahane unless he is injured.Let's hope for best.
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rhony said:
You are assuming that Rahane hasn't worked on his weaknesses ever since. He is a hard working guy, very good test batsman and India's No.1 slip fielder. It would be stupid not to play him
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While I like Rahane a lot, I have to be honest:

On a turner against accurate bowlers, I wouldn't place my bets on him.

He hasn't improved in years. He maybe working on it but he hasn't improved.

When he performs on turners, then we can believe him.
 
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